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For general discussion and debate. Possible talking point: Jenna and Henry wed in private ceremony away from DC and paparrazi:

Unlike other first family weddings that have been broadcast live, the Bushes didn't share their daughter's nuptials with the nation... Millie Martin Bratten, editor-in-chief of BRIDES magazine, said the wedding was a letdown for some who craved a Princess Diana-style event. But she said Jenna's wedding - her classy Oscar de la Renta gown and all - might even set a trend for future presidential weddings.

What do you think of the Bushes' decision to keep this private rather than the typical, well-attended gala at the White House televised for the entire nation? Could this type of public event been exactly what the country needed at this time, and the family was wrong to keep it from us? Or was this another perfect example of what kind of person the President is, and a sign that he is fully vested in his parental responsibilities?

Do you think their decision to keep this private had anything to do with the press's contentious attitude towards the President? Might a less hostile media been more welcomed, or did that not play at all into the wedding plans?

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Why are they complaining?

Why are they complaining? They'd have complained extensively had it been a public wedding--'how can they have such extravagence when the country's in a gas crisis,' etc. I think the media was the main reason he chose to keep it private.

 

Bush, once again, shows that the right thing to do is to ignore the media and do what is right.

LOL precisely why the MSM

LOL precisely why the MSM is complaining? that would have made for a very nice Bush-bashing bitch fest...

Jenna's Wedding

Truth Monger you are so right!!!!   I'm thrilled

that Jenna had the class to keep this HER wedding,

not the Bush Bashing Event the MSM would have

liked.   It was done just right and classy.

I don't see why it's

I don't see why it's anyones business whether they had a private or public ceremony. If there are people out there that are upset about them having a private wedding ceremony, really need to get a life. 

"Abstain from McCain"

However Truth

the media is doing its best to bash the President and Jenna. I was having trouble opening some of the wedding pictures on FOX and reluctantly went to the clinton news network. As part of their discussion of the wedding they found a way to bash Jenna through her friends. The media is such trash.

these people are pro's...

these people are pro's...

They are...

but how do they sleep at night trashing a wonderful young woman on her wedding day, who has chosen teaching as a profession WHEN INSTEAD SHE COULD HAVE "WORKED" FOR A HEDGE FUND! Sorry, losing it again...

I thought the pictures showed just what everyone would like for a wedding in our families. Class. I guess the old media does not understand that concept.

I don't think they sleep

I don't think they sleep very well, actually:)...

most appropriate...

I absolutely applaud their

I absolutely applaud their decision to have a private family wedding.  This really confirms to me that their values and lives are solid and genuine and not for public titillation or consumption.  This was their day, not ours. 

I wish Jenna and Henry all the best and Godspeed.

And I pray for President and Mrs. Bush that their faith and their strength will be renewed and reinforced by this weekend of love and hope and by the Grace of God.

"Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war"  - Shakespeare

to the MSM - celebrity

to the MSM - celebrity weddings are all about publicity baby! if you tried to explain that marriage is actually a Holy sacrament - what do you think they might say...

I think they did right.

I wish the new couple well and am glad that the President and his family had a wonderful celebration.   Why share this with a media that does nothing but undermine and insult this family at every opportunity.   If the Bush family had done otherwise, every idiotic protest group such as Code Oink would have been there to get in their few minutes of camera time...and the American media would have gladly given it to them.

honestly, i kept waiting for

honestly, i kept waiting for news reports this to mention Cindy Sheehan, or, at least, 'protestors.'

Great Call by Jenna

I truly believe that the President sat Jenna and her now husband down and laid out what they should expect if they went for a WH wedding.  He likely explained that many of the press would have ripped into the looks of her, her bridesmaids, her father, her groom, her mother, and the entire format of the wedding.  They would have done so, not because they even believed what they were writing, but because they'll know that they'll sell more magazines that way.  Therefore, she decided that, no, no one is going to make a quick easy buck off trashing her wedding day.  So, they went for a pretty traditional (as best she could make it), quiet, down home type wedding.  I think it was a great call on her part.

Private was certainly the

Private was certainly the way to go...that way the media didn't stick it nose in it and run their typical spin of the situation.

Besides throwing a wedding is pressure enough...no need for more of it by having a nation watch it.

"They need to have a course in college called common sense and everyone should take it. Problem is there isn't too many people that could pass or teach it." -my grandfather

They absolutely did the

They absolutely did the right thing. If they'd had it at the WH, I'm sure the media would be whining..how can he do this while young men and women are fighting in Iraq, etc. Or they'd be accusing him of trying to divert attention from all our problems.

I'm sick to death of the media thinking that they are the arbiters of what is supposed to be public and what's not.

"Classy" Is Correct

All you have to do is take one look at the nasty, disrespectful comments on the Dailykos regarding the wedding, and there will be no question as to whether or not the Bush family did the right thing.

MSM

Right. Even the mainstream media couldn't help itself. Every article I read had a negative comment or two about the "unpopular" president, or the war, or the "poor" economy. The so-called "journalists" once again showed what they are--classless, ignorant, "liberal", immature ideologues. They can't grow up, not for one day. Sad. 

NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"

Definately the correct choice

All the best to Jenna and Henry.  Since the MSM rarely reports actual 'news', hopefully even more people will leave them out of their lives.  Great choice Jenna and/or Mr. President!

 

To know and not do, is to not yet know

I was checking dailykos for

I was checking dailykos for a story mentioned here. I didn't find it, but I did find this:

BREAKING: McCain Loses Bearings in Speech on Constitution; Campaign Covers Up Error

It involves McCain (talking about eminent domain) saying land may not be taken for public use, instead of land may only be taken for public use. Then they have a fit because in the transcript of the speech on his website, they have the correct wording.

And she claims the video was doctored to remove the erroneous statement. That may be, which, if true, was a stupid thing to do, IMO. It just makes it look like more than a simple error.

My point is the headline. Is "losing his bearings" going to be the recurring motif of the left's campaign against McCain? And his campaign has to keep covering up his "errors"?

Those of us who said before that McCain's age was a concern take no joy
in this. But here it is, coming on strong already. The leftwing
blogger says it's a legitimate issue.

Will Barack "I've been to 57 states" Obama renounce this kind of "negative personal attack"? (and if that's not a negative personal attack, then I don't know what is!) If he doesn't on his own, will anyone call on him to do so?

 

Are you kidding, Obama was the one that started it...

He's the one that said McCain was losing his bearings because McCain told the truth about Hamas wanting Obama to be the next president.

Was that Obama himself? I

Was that Obama himself? I though it was someone on his campaign.

Well then,, so much for his "new kind of politics" 

Hypocrisy, they name is Obama. 

No, Rush had an audio clip of Obama saying it...

I forget what interview it was from, but I think Rush played the audio of it on Thursday or Friday.

Oh, I believe you...I

Oh, I believe you...I wasn't disputing, just asking....

that's why I said oh well, then....

I guess the "new kind of politics" only goes in one direction, and Obama is the one who gets to decide which negative attacks the American people are tired of.

MB,

Obama's "new politics" is just like Clinton's "new politics" in the '90s. It's just the "old politics" dressed up in a shiny new package.

"Meet the new boss, same as the old boss." - The Who

OBAMA-RAMA...

 Not just the Palistinian terrorist group HAMAS, but according to information gathered from a laptop from the #2 in the FARC in Columbia, who was killed in a cross border raid, they are pulling for Obama as well. Show me your friends(or those who endorse you) & I'll show you your future.

 

 

"Some of us are wise, some of us are otherwise"  Mark Levin

Pomp and circumstance

I love big rituals. Rituals are how we "incarnate" the values and lives that we share together. Rituals restore the connection between an individual and the community. I'm a Catholic, and we love the big ceremonies. Any ordinary mass is a celebration and deepening of the community (at least, it's supposed to be). As far as I'm concerned, this country needs more public rituals. A barbecue on July 4th, and an inauguration every four or eight years, just isn't enough. I'd love to see more ritual in our national life.

But this wedding had nothing to do with the nation. Rituals are only appropriate to the community involved. This wedding was an event for two families, and whoever they wished to invite. The ritual belongs within the circle of those two families. The general public has no right to be there. If the families wanted to invite the world to see it, that was up to them, and that would have been fine. But it was their decision. They wanted it private, just between their families, and that should be respected. We have no right to hijack their private lives for our public snooping.

I ‘m not trying to turn

I ‘m not trying to turn the thread but I just read on Drudge that Bob Barr is making a run with the Libertarian party.

Well John, remember when the logic in the Mc Cain team was: screw em, where else can they go??

They won’t vote for Billary, or Obama!! They will hold their nose (as your Mom said and vote for John).

 While I might not be a total Libertarian, I do like some of their ideas, I don’t want to walk away from the Republican party but, for the last 15 or 20 years they have walked away from me. I will take a hard look at him. I know, its pitching my vote away, but when the party you have supported for years with money and sweat, hands you  &*^$%#@ sandwiches don’t be surprised when I want to look at the menu for another entrée.

I guess you can call me a Maverick now.

 

 

Ronald Reagan, 1962: I did not leave the Democratic party, the party left me.

Insert: your name, 2008, and the Republican party.

Romney / Jendil  2012 (if,we survive)

The elitists in the GOP

The elitists in the GOP never liked the conservative/libertarian base of the Party.  It may be time to send them a message from the real republicans.

It's an "open thread,"

It's an "open thread," USA4. Turn it any which way you want.

I heard that about Barr yesterday, and have mixed feelings about it. While I agree with you that the Republican offering this time is almost unacceptable, I'm afraid this will lock up the WH for the Dems. You KNOW Barr won't be siphoning many lefties.

The funniest statement came from Newt Gingrich

"Bob Barr will make it marginally easier for Barack Obama to become president. That outcome threatens every libertarian value Barr professes to champion."

As if a vote for McCain is somehow anything even remotely approaching "libertarian."
JMR

The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.

Well, I would think McCain

Well, I would think McCain is closer to any libertarian views than BO or HRC. Would you really rather see one of them win over McCain.

Believe me, I get it about third parties and all. But this may be a bad time to schism.

For me all 3 are the same.

It's a good time to have a "tough love" lesson regarding respect. It's a 2 way street, but that might come as news to some.

The only potential advantage I see to electing the statist over the 2 socialists is that he'd probably be faced with a Democrat congress. Bush has shown that Republican Presidents can not be trusted with a Republican congress, especially when it comes to spending. Considering McCain's history I suspect he's the same way, despite the full court press selling job we're seeing on the fiscal responsibility issue. Hell, look at what came very close to killing McCain's own campaign -- too much spending. If either Barr or Dr. Mary Ruwart is on the LP ticket, it's going to be damn-deservedly-tough for any "major" party candidate to earn my vote.
JMR

The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.

Sarc, you seem like a

Sarc, you seem like a "one-issue" libertarian. I mean, the root word of the label is "liberty," right? I agree that spending is important, and I'll concede that McCain probably won't be much better on it than BO or HRC. But at least he'd have a hostile Congress. That should slow him down more than it would a Dem president.

Also, I think that when it comes to other liberties, McCain would be much better than the other two. I can picture either of them negating some of our freedoms (with a compliant Congress) a lot more easily than I can picture McCain doing so.

I mean, which party seems to want to run more of your life for you?

I wish Barr had gotten in the race earlier, tried for the Repub nomination. He probably could have gotten it. At this point, I'm afraid he's just a spoiler.

Well, the issue for me is spending.

I'm tired of the games, and I doubt he'd have a hostile enough congress to make much of a difference to the eventual victims, which will be future generations. I believe the Republican party is too full of statists to choose a Bob Barr (especially after the LP's "tough love" caused him to lose his old job & then change his mind on the drugwar issue). Politicians...Gotta smack 'em around good & hard every once in a while to get the best libertarian results! ;) If Bob hadn't lost that election, he'd have never changed his mind.

One good thing about this election primary is that I re-learned the lesson that no vote is "wasted." I'm prouder of my 1988 vote for Dr. Paul than ever. The fact that I'm in a small minority and my candidates don't usually win doesn't really matter that much to me. The Republican party would have probably rejected my first choice, Prof. Williams, too. And we all know Walter Williams has a 0.00% chance of being McCain's VP, don't we?

Finally, and sadly, I think both parties score about the same in the "running my life" sweepstakes. Since the media is guaranteed to be biased and not allow any LP (or Green, or Constitution...) candidates into any "debate," I'm tempted to make my vote an extended middle finger towards that policy this time. If by some miracle an actual debate is allowed to happen, I might reconsider; but in that unlikely case, I might not need to reconsider.
JMR

The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.

USA -- you old maverick

USA -- you old maverick you.. vote liberatarian if you want.

But Libertarians are not conservatives. Any more than anarchists are conservatives. Sure, conservatives share some characteristics with libertarians .. but there's a big gap, IMHO.

I ask myself, was President Reagan a libertarian. And I have to answer, no frackin' way.

Vote 4 change. Vote 4 anything. See Jack & Mr Shy's first campaign ad for the ONLY viable 3rd party candidate.

And _I_ have to answer

It depends. Are you talkin' rhetoric around election time regarding spending, or are you talking actual smaller government results?? There is a vast difference, just as there was with FDR...
JMR

The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.

You are so right Jack! I

You are so right Jack! I read the "Constitutional" Party's manifesto and was equally unimpressed. If America wanted nuts like them, they would have voted for Ron Paul! At least Ron Paul is right on at least ONE thing. (Though I don't remember which!) A vote for anyone but McCain, is a vote for the democrat candidate. Please remember Ross Perot!

We need to take a different tact to send a message.

I am working on a serious draft that I will be sending to my Congressman and Senators. Once finished, if anybody wants a copy, PM me, and I will forward it.

The long and short of it is: The letter will strongly suggest these folks to gather up the Republicans in Congress, and first, sit John McCain down and have "the talk" Get him off this global warming crap, and get some oil flowing. Then take him to task on everything else near and dear to conservatives, and explain to McCain that he can't win without conservatives.

I'm also suggesting, strongly, that the Republican members of Congress have a daily press conference, en masse, on the Capitol steps until things like drilling for our own oil, and ending the insanity on ethanol is accomplished.

Our members in Congress have a chance to get serious, and show the American people that THEY are the ones who can get something done! They also have a chance to show to the Nation that it's the dems who have screwed the pooch! They can illustrate this on the meteoric rise of gasoline and diesel prices since the dems took control.

But this will take everyone's effort. Sending a form letter won't get much done, but a call to arms, in one's own impassioned hand, will get someone's attention! It will also take every one getting their friends and family to join in, and their friends and family to do the same.

In my draft, I am asking my Congressman to get with our two Senators and be proactive. John Carter is a solid conservative, who gets it.

This is how we will get things done. "Sending the RNC a message" by voting for some third party kook isn't. Folks here should certainly know better. The Republicans were "sent a message" in 2006 when the dems took over!!!

You guys see what that got us, right?

 

Have to agree with everyone here, so far -

Didn't we hear for the msm(Lsm), during those dreadful bc years, that everything he did was private? How come the same privacy isn't given to the Bush family (he asks with a smirk)?? The hacks in the media have been so smarmy, that the family, who were never questioned during the peanut farmers', nor the slimy bjc years, did the right thing and excluded THEIR day from the incompetents who call themselves "reporters".

There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V

Pssst...they're part of the elite society.

FYI- The Bushies are from the well-heeled, blue blood parts of elite society. It would look bad to their followers and true believers if they showed their true side.

Dubya feels your pain as he's sippin' Champagne!

He has nothing to worry about for the rest of his life...he will live within his own taxpayer supported bubble and never be exposed to any parts of lower class society that supported him. This is the perfect example of the type of person Dubya really is an elitist class wolf cloaked in a working class sheepskin. Show me some Carhartt, Dubya!

Syrius

"...the dire consequences to society when people begin to believe that by
renaming someone to erase their humanity opens the door to the
devaluation of everyone's life..."-dscott

 

I'm sure he'll still clear

I'm sure he'll still clear some brush now and then.

Who can revolt if man has become a simple conglomerate of organs, a person barely free enough to use a remote control to choose his channel? -J. Kristeva

careful there - bitter

careful there - bitter jealousy is the sincerest form of admiration

Syrius & JC

One big yaaaaaaawwwn to the both of you :p

Liberals. The ultimate hypocrites. They're righteous denounciation of these perceived Republican "elite societies" and their "living in bubbles".

Meanwhile, in their own backyard reside the worst, ugliest and most charlatan forms of elitism and bubble lifestyles, in their politicians, media people and everyday citizens.

 

* * * SOCKS THE CAT '08 * * *
For REAL Change

"...Dubya feels your pain as he's sippin' Champagne!..."

Knowing that he doesn't have to care what wingnuts like you think about it probably enhances the beverage of his choice.  It definitely makes me feel better.

He has nothing to worry

He has nothing to worry about for the rest of his life?

Are you kidding?  He has to worry about his place in society and in history.  After all, consider those two stalwarts of the leftist side, Carter and Clinton and their failed places in history.

Carter is now considered a joke and most people in society wonder how it was possible for people to vote for  him.  What with his endorsements of various thugish regimes and their voting records, and then coincindentally working against other democratice regimes.  He should have stuck to roofing houses in the thrid world.

Clinton is just on a complete downhill slide that will eventually end him in a place near Carter on the "Worst President in History" chart.

Yep, Bush will have to worry about what route those two predecessors have mapped out...

The problem with your

The problem with your characterization is that Bush never made that phony "Ah feeyl yer payn" statement.  

"He has nothing to worry about for the rest of his life...he will live within his own taxpayer supported bubble and never be exposed to any parts of lower class society that supported him." - That a description of Clinton, not Bush!

Bush is from a wealthy family, so what?  Does that make him evil?  I guess it does in the small minded world you live in. You're so full of hate that you can't even see the truth right before your eyes! 

He lives on a ranch (a pretty "green" one for that matter), not in some elitist mansion in Martha's Vineyard.

Pull your head out!

Just a Rancher in Texas?

mattm,

Why did the clan move to Texas?

Why does Dubya show such public disdain for the elite circles while privately enjoying being part of the elite society of the "have mores"? I would like to classify him as a hypocrite except I'm giving him credit for cloaking himself in Carhartt and displaying himself as a normal guy most people would enjoy having a beer with...the only problem is Dubya's a recovering alcoholic who went to Yale and his family is from the bona fide elite Connecticut society. No problem here...history speaks volumes!

Why does he like fishing in Kennebunkport instead of a fishin' hole in Crawford? Kennebunkport might not be his place...just the family compound? Don't the Kennedys have a family compound? Gosh, it sure does look like those northeastern elites share the same thoughts when it comes to family compounds...

For you, the truth will set you in a tizzy...

Who's head is where?

Syrius

 

"...the dire consequences to society when people begin to believe that by
renaming someone to erase their humanity opens the door to the
devaluation of everyone's life..."-dscott

 

I don't have a problem with

I don't have a problem with people being rich.  If you think he's just acting like a regular guy to fool the low class idiots who vote for him, that's just part of your own hate and bigotry.

The proof of this is that when a real phony like Bill Clinton comes along and actually lives out the hypocrisy and elitism you claim to despise, you fall all over yourself to line up right behind Monica, for your turn.

Again I say - pull your head out.

Overlooking your uncivil manner...

mattm,

Why did the Bushes move from Connecticut to Texas?

Dubya cannot deny his Yankee blue blood pedigree. I'm amazed at how many have been duped into believing he isn't a Yankee blue blood!

I do like the way you stated...If you think he's just acting like a regular guy to fool the low class
idiots who vote for him, that's just part of your own hate and bigotry.

I've never thought of Dubya as a regular guy. I see him as many things; a vengeful politician with a penchant for destroying all those who oppose him; a hard drinking, drug abusing frat boy with an inferiority complex towards his father; a CINO; the epitome of the peter principle...the list continues. I don't hate him, I just want him to live a long life while watching our country heal itself from the wounds he has inflicted upon it. History is being written with each passing day...

As for the Clintons, it's always reported by conservatives that the Clintons came from white trash and will always be white trash. Why do the conservatives always try to appeal and sway the white trash vote in most elections? Those dang trailer parks and warped values! They're liable to vote for...Obama?

Lining up behind Monica for my turn?!? My turn to do WHAT???

Keepin' it civil, huh?

Syrius

"...the dire consequences to society when people begin to believe that by
renaming someone to erase their humanity opens the door to the
devaluation of everyone's life..."-dscott

 

Sy links to a conservative site NOW

As for the Clintons, it's always reported by conservatives that the Clintons came from white trash and will always be white trash. Why do the conservatives always try to appeal and sway the white trash vote in most elections?

links ??????

BTW

In 2 years your buddies in the DEMOCRAT partie.. drove up oil prices from 60 bucks to 126... thats the fastest rise in prices EVER! YOUR BUDDIES..with a LOWER rating than PRESIDENT BUSH.

The POPE says, GOD BLESS AMERICA!!

IranianUranium<sleep>New/Infrastructure/repair?/ROFLMAO

 

You are blinded by hate. 

You are blinded by hate.  You beleive the exact opposite of what is true. 

It's not the conservatives who called the Clintons trailer trash, it is Liberals who used that terminology to vilify conservatives and anyone else who dares challenge them, like Paula Jones.  They are the ones who use insult, smear and ridicule against anyone who disagrees with them, as your posts so clearly demonstrate.

And you have the gall to bring up civility?  What a joke!

 

syrius

"I've never thought of Dubya as a regular guy. I see him as many things; a vengeful politician with a penchant for destroying all those who oppose him; a hard drinking, drug abusing frat boy with an inferiority complex towards his father; a CINO; the epitome of the peter principle...the list continues. I don't hate him, I just want him to live a long life while watching our country heal itself from the wounds he has inflicted upon it. History is being written with each passing day..."

.

Syrius, you are so full of it. You and everyone on the left has swallowed whole all this fabricated nonsense of what Bush is as a person. 

Man, it's so true. The hatred runs intensely deep with you people strictly because of his party affiliation. If/when Shrill or ObamaEmptySuit wins the Oval Office, I'll make an effort to be behind the things they try to do as POTUS. 

Meanwhile, if McCain -- about the most liberal "conservative" out there -- wins, it'll be another four or eight years of tar-and-feathering from the relentlessly full-of-hate, thoroughly INtolerant left.

 

* * * SOCKS THE CAT '08 * * *
For REAL Change

Syrius

"Dubya feels your pain as he's sippin' Champagne!"

You have proof of that right.Or are you just lying? 

"He has nothing to worry about for the rest of his life...he will live within his own taxpayer supported bubble and never be exposed to any parts of lower class society that supported him. This is the perfect example of the type of person Dubya really is an elitist class wolf cloaked in a working class sheepskin. Show me some Carhartt, Dubya!"

With the exception of taxpayers bubble in most cases.It is like these folks isnt it.

 http://adbusters.org/the_magazine/71/The_American_Lefts_Silly_Victim_Complex.html

Oh by the way can you remind of which president didnt recieve retirement benefits.Will he have a new home bought for him and will the furniture be trucked out of the White House?

"alcohol began to compete

"alcohol began to compete with my energies ... I'd lose focus".-Dubya

Looking at how he's done so far with the "wonderful" years of his administration, he should've gone into rehab a long, long time ago.

Syrius

 

 

Syrius

He quit drinking in 1986.Can you post a link where he was found to be drinking again?

YEA SYRIUS...

I'll just say that thinking with the wrong head, screwing the help, & figuring out how to cover it up(LIE) also do the same thing. The wrong politician was pimping viagra.

 

"Some of us are wise, some of us are otherwise"  Mark Levin

ROTFLMAO

He has nothing to worry about for the rest of his life...he will live within his own taxpayer supported bubble and never be exposed to any parts of lower class society that supported him. This is the perfect example of the type of person Clinton really is an elitist class wolf cloaked in a working class sheepskin. Show me some Carhartt, Billy!

Syrius... "Dubya feels

Syrius...

"Dubya feels your pain as he's sippin' Champagne!"

Every wedding I have ever attended, and I have attended alot of them, Champagne has been served. I even attended a wedding one time that was held in the front yard of someone's home right in front of their single wide trailer. They had the beer kegs all on ice, but we toasted the couple with Champagne. 

Seems to me that Dubya and family were just doing what the average American family does at a wedding. This goes directly against your claim of elitism. 

"Abstain from McCain"

Dubya feels your pain as


Dubya feels your pain as he's sippin' Champagne!

I know. How DARE he let his daughter get married when people have lost their homes, gas is going up, etc! All the Bushes should just wear sackcloth and ashes, right guys?

 

 

 

They should have eloped in

They should have eloped in a Prius. 

"Abstain from McCain"

right Syrius

Meanwhile the Clintons live in a mansion and are worth millions, the Obamas have millions, John Edwards lives in the biggest mansion for miles, and Al Gore flies a private jet as he asks me to dry my clothes on an outside line in the magical back yard I don't have.

If people earn their own money they have the right to sip all the wine they care to. I don't believe in envy and I don't go around coveting my neighbor's things...but that's one the main differences between conservies and libs. It burns a liberal up to see someone have the nerve to enjoy their own money.

Why we need education

Stanley Crouch has an article today. In it, he scorns the idea that Obama is just an elitist. Instead, Crouch argues, Obama's education represents the highest form of non-elitism, since education is the key to social mobility. Indeed, Obama's detractors are evil, because they resent Obama's success:

"Education has always been viewed as suspect by everyone from slave owners to totalitarians. Wherever in the world you find them, they share one hostility: They hate books." 

Crouch isn't finished insulting anyone who doesn't adore Obama:

"And we should be ever suspicious of anyone or any group that scorns education, that pretends to believe that only the simple and the uncomplicated can express the national ethos." 

In his glorious summation, Crouch writes:

"That is absolutely ridiculous in a country from which so much technological and scientific innovation has come. Tell that to Thomas Edison, the Wright Brothers or Bill Gates, none of whom were from the upper class." (bold mine)

Here's the problem ... Edison never attended college, and Gates dropped out. I believe the Wright Brothers never attended, either. Now it is true that all three were documented in their respect for learning, and Gates is certainly dedicated to the improvement in education (which implies that it needs improving). But the idea that an elite education is required for technological and scientific innovation is disproved by the very people Crouch cites.

No one distrusts Obama because he's educated. They distrust Obama because he comes from an elitist academic encironment that peddles self-supposed superiority along with the learning.

I never got the whole

I never got the whole "elite" thing with Obama. It seems to be a label that people have tried to slap on him to make him a less attractive candidate.

Just listen to his comments

Just listen to his comments in San Francisco a couple of months ago.  It does not GET much more liberal elite than that.

Seems like O-backers want

Seems like O-backers want it both ways: either he's not representative of real Black America because he's a "magic negro," or he's a true Bro frum da hood who, in order to overcome the rampant bigotry in AmeriKKKa, needs a bible-thumping, gun owning white guy to balance the ticket.

The contrast

Obama, personally, comes across as a regular guy. But that's charm, and it's no indication of how he intends to govern.

His positions are consistently liberal, and most conservatives associate that with elitism, because it wants government to control things that (we think) should be left alone. They believe they can make better collective decisions than the marketplace. They don't see it as superiority, just more efficient control.

Conservatives counter-argue that when it comes to that scale of an economy, human beings aren't smart enough to weigh all those variables, and so the desire to control is simply hubris.

Obama himself seems down to earth. But we can't afford to judge a book by that cover. Jimmy Carter, at one time, seemed down to earth as well, but he turned out to be the smuggest of condescending lecturers.

KC, Really? You think Obama

KC,

Really? You think Obama comes off as a regular guy? I find him kind of oily and creepy - when he's walking among all his "people props", microphone in hand, spouting off his "poetic phrases" nonsense.

Whatever happened to all

Whatever happened to all those children that followed the Pied Piper?

Obama is the modern day Pied Piper and people should be very worried. Hide your kids! 

"Abstain from McCain"

Perceptions

You may be right. It's all mere perceptions, of course, and politicians spend a lot of money to hire people who can fake and stage these things.

Frankly, the one episode that comes to mind is when Obama was sitting at the diner, and he turned in frustration to the reporter and begged for a few minutes to let him eat his waffles. I'm sure his "handlers" would have preferred him to smile and deflect the question, but Obama's reaction struck me as perfectly normal. Hell, I'd be a little ticked off myself. Then again, candidates don't go into diners for "privacy," do they?

One note - for all his supposed masterful oratory, Obama is a horrendous interviewee one on one. His interview delivery is like the first time you tried to drive a stick shift. It's ... screech/start/stop ... pause ... screech/start/stop ... pause, etc. He speaks in bursts, spaced by endless pauses. I can't imagine him trying to give orders to the generals in the Situation Room. It'll drive them nuts.

  • GENERAL:  "Shall we launch the missiles, Mr. President?"
  • OBAMA:   "Well ... OK .... but see ... the one thing ... you need to do ... here's what you need to ... uh ... think about ..."

"...begged for a few

"...begged for a few minutes to let him eat his waffles."

I have no sympathy for him or any politician trying to eat breakfast undisturbed. They're the ones who are usually barging into diners and interrupting people trying to eat their breakfasts in peace and who get turned into a political photo op.

Bal

Is it like how some of his supporters try to paint him as coming from the streets?Gee private school at 10 in Hawaii.His Grandmother was a VP of a bank.That I imagine was latter in life.Still they werent living in poverty. 

"Is it like how some of his

"Is it like how some of his supporters try to paint him as coming from the streets?"

Well, if they're trying to make that portrayal, that's racist in itself - assuming that just because someone is black, he automatically "came off the streets".

Chris

I know that but remember when he wasnt "black enough".I think that was in the early part of the campaign.The bottom line is he lived most his life in what most folks would consider comfortable lifestyle.

Edit:You know what I got caught up in a pc moment.Coming from the streets is actually a old saying which had nothing to do with your color.Nowadays maybe some folks believe it is a code word for meaning blacks.That is on them.My cousins were Southies living in the projects.If your from MA  you know what I mean.I live in places with gangs and they werent yuppie puppy wantabes.It has gotten to the point you dont want to post without checking the pc list.

Oh, I know you weren't

Oh, I know you weren't engaging in stereotyping - you were describing what some of his supporters are doing. I'm hardly PC. I know "the streets" can apply to anyone's background. However, in this case, I think we know what it means.

Chris

I understood you Chris and didnt think you were implying that about me..I was ticked at myself.Yes some folks will equate being from the streets as being black and that is bull.Funny thing is anyone I met in the Army that was from the projects in Boston were Southies.Got to put the Irish somewhere I guess.I have Irish ancestry so if someone feels the need to call Ted dont.Besides he is probably drunk.

 

"Southies" - oh, you mean

"Southies" - oh, you mean the folks that are one of the few targets (other than rural southerners) left for movies and the media to villify and stereotype?

Yup lol

South Boston....I dont know how it is now but it did use to be rough.I was lucky and moved to Northwest in my teens.I am originally from Chelsea and use to catch the devil from a guy from a town in MA at work.He always asked why I wasnt in prison.I told him I was on furlough.

So now, anyone who doesn't

So now, anyone who doesn't vote for Obama is racist AND anti-education? But not voting for Hillary merely makes one sexist?

So, in "-isms," Obama's ahead, 2 to 1. Guess voting for him makes one less of a bigot.

KC, I agree with most of

KC,

I agree with most of your statements. As for the last part...

"They distrust Obama because he comes from an elitist academic
encironment that peddles self-supposed superiority along with the
learning."

As for US presidents and their educational background-

5 from Yale

4 from Harvard.

Those are the facts. Yale couldn't be considered elite, right? Secretive society...Skull & Bones...Hmmm, you gotta think he feels more superior- Obama or Dubya?

Syrius

"...the dire consequences to society when people begin to believe that by
renaming someone to erase their humanity opens the door to the
devaluation of everyone's life..."-dscott

 

The "elitist" tag doesn't