For general discussion and debate. Possible talking point: not a good night for Hillary.
Sure, she won in Indiana, but not by much. And, North Carolina, no matter how you spin it, was a disaster.
Does she have to get out now? Will Democrat leaders start putting the pressure on her?
That's certainly not the way it looked during her "victory" speech last night in Indiana.
On another note: how much do you think Operation Chaos impacted the results in the Hoosier state?
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She is toast
May 7, 2008 - 09:25 ET by shawn228Yes, we have all said it before, but it is impossible for her to win now, even if she is awarded the Florida votes.
I believe Operation Chaos certainly had its effect on the campaiyn, but I still believe Democrats will be united come November.
Its Crazy
May 7, 2008 - 09:24 ET by MeanderingYes Hillary should leave, but she won't, which is good for conservatives. Let them fight with each other until both have no integrity left.
I don't think operation chaos had much of a result in Indiana, but its something the liberal media will blame because instead of reporting the facts they just look where to put the blame, because it couldn't possibly be them that's the problem. Give me a break!
What?
May 7, 2008 - 09:33 ET by general companyLet them fight with each other until both have no integrity left.
What? They have integrity left?
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Touché
May 7, 2008 - 09:41 ET by MeanderingTouché
She's done but I don't
May 7, 2008 - 09:25 ET by taterShe's done but I don't think she'll get out. That's the one benefit about Hil, she won't a little thing like logic get in her way of getting what she wants. Anyone who disagrees is going to get it.
Operation chaos was enough to give her 51% of the vote. If not she probably loses by 3-5 points.
"They need to have a course in college called common sense and everyone should take it. Problem is there isn't too many people that could pass or teach it." -my grandfather
Her campaign owes Hillary enough $$$
May 7, 2008 - 09:31 ET by sarcasmoThat she is unlikely to immediately get out of the fundraising portion of the race, but I suspect we'll see less TV from her from now on. I'm beginning to wonder if it's a good idea for political campaigns to borrow money, especially considering the government's level of debt. There are all sorts of rules about money & campaigns, but there's nothing whatsoever in those voluminous rules about campaigns going into debt up to their eyeballs.
JMR
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.
Drudge has a headline this
May 7, 2008 - 09:50 ET by motherbeltDrudge has a headline this AM that says she's loaning herself another 6.4 million.
She's not going anywhere. Not right now, anyway.
And now, today's Shrub
May 7, 2008 - 09:31 ET by Roger the ShrubberAnd now, today's Shrub Report®:
63 years ago today, Germany unconditionally surrendered to the Allies, six years to the day when Hitler and Mussolini created the "Rome-Berlin Axis".
Here's a great but sad story, a worthy read.
So, this man's career is only worth 1/54th of what a pair of his pants are?
Yep, there's nobody meaner, tougher, and more macho than Philly Flyers fans.
Obama does it with smoke and mirrors…
Rough week in disaster history. Typhoon in Burma earlier this week, Hindenberg anniversary yesterday, Lusitania sinking today…
Man, just like Bush did after Katrina hit News Orleans.
Yeah, that's it. I'm Amish. That's the ticket!
Democrat(ic)s refuse to move on the ethanol catastrophe because they fear "unintended consequences". Sure, NOW they decide to look out for those, long after creating many…
I know, I know, douchebag Leon is gone, but here are two more shining examples of his wisdom: Al-Qaeda is hardly an influence in Iraq. And Iran is not involved, either. What a genius.
Keeping in theme with yesterday's "Brother loving sister" NB article…
Super Bowl MVP attends the Kentucky Derby.
A Religion of Peace Update.
Here's a brief glimpse into the mind of a Saudi politician.
Global Warming worshippers dealt another blow.
Recession worshippers dealt another blow.
And, finally, Hillary hires a new fundraiser.
Here's a great but sad
May 7, 2008 - 09:57 ET by Jack BauerIt is indeed. It brought a lump to my throat, and a tear to my eye. God bless John Challis.
Ditto for me
May 7, 2008 - 15:48 ET by general companyThanks for passing along Roger, sent it to a few folks as well.
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
RE: Smoke and mirrors....
May 7, 2008 - 09:58 ET by R D HelmRog, that bumper sticker at the bottom of the page says it all about Obama and his supporters.
But we wouldn't want to dare to question their, ah, patriotism or anything.
Like hell we wouldn't.
What the American people are looking for is somebody who can solve their problems. - Barack Obama, April 27, 2008
This is really inspiring
May 7, 2008 - 09:59 ET by Dan The Man 2This is really inspiring "A Beaver County church had planned a fundraiser, but John and his family asked the church instead to conduct the event and give the money to a fifth-grade boy in Beaver County who has a brain tumor.
"His family can use it more than we can," John said. "That's just common sense. Someone does something good for you, then you help someone else."
To be charitable for someone else in need. Im not sure I would have done the same.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
And now for today’s
May 7, 2008 - 11:44 ET by TruthMongerAnd now for today’s Jesus-inspired "Anti-defamation-of-Semites™" re-re-re-report…
[Koran 2:136] Say (O Muslims): We believe in Allah and that which is revealed to us and that which was revealed to Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and the tribes, and that which Moses and Jesus received, and that which the prophets received from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and to Him we have surrendered.
http://a4theroad.blogspot.com/2007/05/religion-koran-reading-sura-2.html
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/notislam/misconceptions.html
Partner with Islam…
http://progressivemuslims.org/
http://www.irw.org/
http://www.islamic-relief.com/
http://www.islamic-charity.com/
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/
http://www.mdda.org.uk/web/index.php
http://www.muslimheritage.com/Default.aspx
Meanwhile – Roger’s evil twin airs daily dirty Christian laundry in….
THE FORBIDDEN FRUIT REPORT™
some good ol' general bigot stuff - the classics!
Jews are cheap:
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20061129092512AAlAQeW
Catholics are peds:
http://www.planetarymovement.org/2005/04/25/divine-intervention/
Mormon’s are just plain freaks, man…http://www.exmormon.org/mormon/mormon178.htm
bit o' classic gay bashin’
http://www.sacbee.com/101/story/338842.html
http://www.jewsonfirst.org/06c/gr096.html
And Jesus said – let’s “voodoo impale some Monkey’s...?”
http://www.interfax-religion.com/?act=news&div=3782
When monks crave porn:
http://www.interfax-religion.com/?act=mosaic&div=194
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REMEMBER THE WORD OF GOD - LOVE YOUR ENEMY:)
http://www.dougbrittonbooks.com/onlinebiblestudies-irritationandangermanagement/loveyourenemy-lovingallyourenemies.asp
Does anyone read these links from a known bigot
May 7, 2008 - 11:48 ET by Dee Bunklike TM. Sorry TM but your logic is so warped and bigoted that I'd never ever click on one of your links.
intelligent people have the
May 7, 2008 - 11:54 ET by TruthMongerintelligent people have the courage to read, and learn...
other's burn books, and even Jews occasionally, maybe Muslims someday:)...
Yeah you would know a lot about how Muslims burn books and Jews
May 7, 2008 - 12:04 ET by Dee Bunkit's sad that you want innocent Muslims burned too. Leave the innocent Muslims out of it Truthmangler. The innocent peaceful ones are trying to separate themselves from the radical ones and you keep lumping them together.
Try reading something of value rather than terrorist propaganda once in a while, then maybe you can become the "intelligent people" of which you speak.
definitely a cry for meds,
May 7, 2008 - 13:50 ET by TruthMongerdefinitely a cry for meds, I'd say:)...
here ya go
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20060712170607AA61BT6
Wow Truthmangler - you take meds based on Yahoo answers?
May 7, 2008 - 14:05 ET by Dee BunkNo wonder you are so nonsensical, messed up and bigoted against peaceful Muslims and Christians. It makes sense now that drug induced brain damage brought you to the point of lumping peaceful Muslims with the terrorists and making peaceful Christians out to be worse than terrorists.
You should see a real doctor not internet kids for your medical problems.
trash-talkin' high five,
May 7, 2008 - 14:21 ET by TruthMongertrash-talkin' high five, bro
we're really learning so much about inter-faith peace relations here:)
see how easy it is to play your stupid bigot game?
May 7, 2008 - 14:22 ET by Dee BunkSo when are you going to stop it?
easy is all good
May 7, 2008 - 14:28 ET by TruthMongerit's very easy - when the bigotry stops:)
i stop
So stop being a bigot truthmangler- it's that simple
May 7, 2008 - 14:42 ET by Dee BunkYou do nothing but encourage bigotry with your bigotry. It's contagious. So if you want to improve religious relations, stop spreading your bigotry. There is a difference between Muslims who denounce terror and those who condone and perpetrate it. Stop lumping them together and stop comparing modern peaceful Christians to book burning, Jew killing, American Killing, Christian killing terrorists. It's absurd.
off the deep end
May 7, 2008 - 12:11 ET by candanceA self-professed Christian pasting verses from the Quran to buttress his claim that Muslims follow Christ.
Of course he forgets to mention that in Surah 4 and 5 Mohammad blasts the Trinity as heretical, claiming that Jesus was "no more than an apostle" and that a "painful chastisement" will fall on anyone who calls Jesus the Son of God.
Mohammad then goes on to explain how the disciples actually crucified Judas Iscariot, sent Jesus away in hiding, and told everyone Jesus died and rose again.
So Jesus was not God in the flesh, was not sacrificed, and never did anything to save us from our sins.
...but Muslims have a lot of "respect" for him, dontcha know!
which is why I'm not
May 7, 2008 - 14:19 ET by TruthMongerwhich is why I'm not Muslim:)
my "claim" as you call it is that Muslim's follow Christ as a prophet - not as a deity like we do...
...but He is still elevated higher than the Jews put Him
Contributing a couple of links.
May 7, 2008 - 11:59 ET by Dave in TexasIn economic news that you won't be hearing about:
Oil prices help Texas rake in $10.7 billion surplus
Study: New home sales outpacing construction
I came late to the
May 7, 2008 - 09:34 ET by Hunter12I came late to the discussion about John Coleman and AGW, but I was researching something about the IPCC and found this item, which explains why the Global Warming debate is over.
"Nate Dowden had noted that there are 42 people in Colorado that had participated in the IPCC's report. He had contacted several of them to participate in this symposium, and they all declined to participate once they found out that there would be other participants who would be speaking to the AGW skeptic's point of view. Nate had emphasized to them that the forum would not be a debate, but that it would be an opportunity for them to relate their own role in how the IPCC came to their conclusions. Dr. Gray added that once the IPCC members find out that he, Dr. Gray, will be a part of a public discussion, they absolutely refuse to participate - they're afraid to debate."
They must not feel they have too solid of position to defend. This observation also appeared in the cited article:
"Dr. Gray offered a wager that in 5 to 10 years, we will see a cooling trend in the earth's climate and that there is current evidence that the cooling has already started."
"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last." - Sir Winston Churchill
Another hypocrite
May 7, 2008 - 09:34 ET by sarcasmoAnd more proof that the tax & spend drugwar, despite all the denials, isn't anything resembling colorblind.
JMR
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.
Cool!
May 8, 2008 - 02:36 ET by UnsaneSo, this means then I can open "Unsane's Drug Market" when I get back home!
I'll sell meth, pot, and anything under the sun there in plain view!
Then, when the cops come by, all I need to do is show up at the door and say "Why, officer, is there a problem???"
The cop will then say, "No, you're white. Keep doing what you're doing."
(A vision of the world of one who violently, intensely contorts himself in order to turn a public health concern into a civil rights issue. Last I checked, that approach failed miserably in pot-crazed AK in 2004...)
Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.
→ Unsane
May 8, 2008 - 02:39 ET by Cool ArrowMy dog had a meth habit.
Suffered from several nervous ticks.
♣ a seal
Then I may as well refute Unsane, too...
May 11, 2008 - 12:23 ET by sarcasmoOr rather, Nat Hentoff has already done the job...See also the very interesting race/drug stats at the end of this one.
JMR
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.
Again
May 20, 2008 - 20:11 ET by UnsaneOnce again you fail miserably in your "refutation". For one thing, what I take from this is that Nat Hentoff, whoever the hell he is, does YOUR thinking FOR you.
Two, you still fail to refute the original premise. If you - or rather, Mr. Hentoff, since you clearly do not think for yourself - is correct, I should be able to open a wide open and painfully obvious "Unsane's Drug Store", selling every illicit drug under the sun. Then, when the neighbors complain and call the cops, the cops will roll up, look at the color of my skin, and walk away. IF you - I'm sorry, Mr. Hentoff - is correct, that is. Which, I am willing to bet he is NOT.
But then, that won't stop you from violently, painfully contorting yourself to turn a public health concern into a civil rights issue.
Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.
Nope.
May 20, 2008 - 20:17 ET by sarcasmoYou just didn't read the article. The racism is obvious from the stats, like it or not, and you're just unhinged because I keep giving examples of it, but you're slowly beginning to deal with it. The problem's not going away. Go down to your local jail, and look at what color faces you see. Then think about the racism inherent in both the history and the current application of the failed, tax and spend drugwar.
JMR
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.
Obsession
May 20, 2008 - 21:51 ET by UnsaneThe racism is obvious from the stats, like it or not, and you're just unhinged because I keep giving examples of it, but you're slowly beginning to deal with it. Um, WHO is unhinged? I'm merely asking a very rational question you, typically, refuse to answer. If Mr. Hentoff is correct, then I should be able to peddle drugs without penalty due to my pastiness. But contrary to what he asserts, I am fairly certain that I will go to the slam for peddling drugs, and I am as pasty as they come. Why is that?
If anyone here is unhinged it is you, not I, due to your overwhelming obsession with drugs, an obsession so severe that you will contort yourself violently and into distinctly inhuman shapes in order to turn a public health concern into a civil rights issue. I merely pose a question and drop in an example, and I am unhinged??? Only in Sarcasmo's world.
Go down to your local jail, and look at what color faces you see. Shockingly, those who inhabit our jails, regardless of color, are there for a whole host of reasons, some having NOTHING to do with drugs. And I suppose, if I were inclined, I can go through some stats showing that some crimes are committed more by particular races/ethnicities than other crimes. But so what? If I were to find that more minorities go to the slam for murder than whites, does that mean that murder should be legalized?
Then think about the racism inherent in both the history Sweetie, I know you well and truly believe that the #1 reason for racism was drugs, keeping in line with your neurotic obsession with them, but LOTS OF LAWS WERE RACIST back in the day. In The Strange Career of Jim Crow, it is noted there were portions of some state constitutions that proscribed the emigration of blacks into said states (example). This is one reason why you are a laughably poor student of history: you take one's interpretation of history and run with it: so much the better if it fits neatly into your world view.
And, to quote Sarcasmo, "reading is fundamental". You have once again failed to remember my stated policy on links: I do not chase them because of some concept you pay complete lip service to called source evaluation. As I cannot effectively evaluate your links - or anyone else's - I do not read them. Now, remember that next time when you throw a link or 50 my way. Besides, I think it would be much better for a change for YOU to tell ME in YOUR OWN WORDS - as has been repeatedly demanded of me since I was eight or so - why you think as you do. If I wanted to know what Mr. Hentoff thinks, I'd read his article. As it does not tell me what Sarcasmo thinks, it does me no good in any case.
Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.
I've told you what I think, many times.
May 21, 2008 - 03:04 ET by sarcasmoThe idea that I need to put it in my own words instead of Nat's this time is you recycling one of your old saws that doesn't work. Nat's pieces prove beyond any doubt that tax and spend drugwar is racist, both in its history and in its present application. Here's even more proof, in the form of a video.
Your pastiness has nothing to do with it. Like it or not your self-example (while it is really stupid) proves nothing about the pervasive, longterm racism of the tax and spend drugwar. The stats at the end of the second link prove it for anyone who wants to read (which is probably why you have such vocal support here). After all, we all know know from your blinkered interpretation of history that all those extra black faces in US prisons are the result of screeching crazy-ass preachers & old newsletters, right? Well, it might just be widespread police "professionalism."
Guess what, "Sweetie"? The tax and spend drugwar's racist whether you like me saying it or not. That's why this subject causes you to be so unhinged whenever I bring it up. You've been repeatedly-refuted. Again.
JMR
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.
Again
May 21, 2008 - 13:52 ET by UnsaneThe idea that I need to put it in my own words instead of Nat's this time is you recycling one of your old saws that doesn't work. That is only because you don't want to be troubled to critically think. It is a VERY effective - and accurate - old saw.
Your pastiness has nothing to do with it. Like it or not your self-example (while it is really stupid) proves nothing about the pervasive, longterm racism of the tax and spend drugwar. And you will whine and scream that the taxandspenddrugwarisracist for about two more months, in your bid to turn a public health concern into a civil rights issue (which amazingly fails every time I have seen it tried by you and others) until you realize it doesn't fly, then you'll hide it away for 6-8 months, and then you'll roll out the "Racist!" charge again when you think everyone has forgotten about it. I'm waiting for the day when you call thetaxandspenddrugwar is "sexist", is "stacked against such and such ethnicity", or whatever other excuse you can come up with. And calling my example "stupid" gets you nowhere. If Mr. Hantoff is correct, then I should be able to peddle drugs with NO PROBLEM because I am pasty. Yet, I know that if I start doing that, I will answer to the SAPD, Bexar County Sheriff, and the DEA. And I am as pasty as they come. So much for your constant bleating of "Racist!" Again, be a big boy and answer the question. If thetaxandspenddrugwar is so f#!king racist, then why am I just as prone to going to the slam for drugs??? VERY SIMPLE QUESTION. You whine that it is "stupid" because you both know, and hate, the answer to the question. That, and you fail miserably at critical thinking.
After all, we all know know from your blinkered interpretation of history that all those extra black faces in US prisons are the result of screeching crazy-ass preachers & old newsletters, right? Well, it isn't the 1960s anymore. Everyone in prison - no matter what race - volunteers to go. That you cannot accept that only shows me you lack critical thinking skills and constantly deny the existence of freewill as well.
Guess what, "Sweetie"? The tax and spend drugwar's racist whether you like me saying it or not. Well, if you just keep saying "thetaxandspenddrugwarisracist!!!" over and over again perhaps one day it will magically come true. That's why this subject causes you to be so unhinged whenever I bring it up. Um, please show me how I'm unhinged. (Takes another delightful puff of a cigar.) You've been repeatedly-refuted. Again. Nope. You brag (typical of an egomaniac like yourself) that you have refuted me, yet if you did, you would be a big boy and answer my question. Once again, to show how badly you have lost the argument, I will repeat the challenge:
If Mr. Hentoff - not you, for you cannot think for yourself - is correct, then why can't I set up Unsane's Drug Mart, where ALL of your favorite illicit drugs are available for sale! And THEN, when the cops arrive to shut me down, I merely show them my skin color, and they say "He's white. Leave him alone." If thetaxandspenddrugwar is SO RACIST, then why does the above not happen?
Humor me, sweetie. Show me how you are the SUPREME EXPERT in everything and answer that very simple question.
Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.
Until you can explain Nat's stats
May 21, 2008 - 14:01 ET by sarcasmoI'll just thank you for driving people to the links above, which prove the racism quite well without your personal example. The Cory Maye film is especially good. The issue isn't going away in 2 months, either. Not after I discovered it works so well on the unhinged segment! :)
JMR
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.
The Dept. of Redundancy Dept.
May 21, 2008 - 18:25 ET by UnsaneI guess I have to repeat myself and work for the Department of Redundancy Department:
1) SHOW me where I am "unhinged". (Ah, let me guess. I am "unhinged" because I don't 100% universally agree with you at all times, no matter what. But you will need to do better than that.)
2) If the drug war is an evil, racist entity, then why is it that once I start up Unsane's Drug Mart, I can expect to go to The Slam for a long, long time? If it were as racist as Mr. Hentoff claims, I should be able to fire up Unsane's Drug Mart and merely walk up to ANY law enforcement authority and show them how pasty I am, which would result in their going away to, I suppose, arrest ONLY black/brown/whatever drug peddlers. YET, that's not what happens. Why is that?
3) As I cannot evaluate the source - a skill you pay complete lip service to - I don't click on the link - yours, or anyone else's. Others can click the link all they want. They are free.
Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.
Can HRC just bail now and
May 7, 2008 - 09:35 ET by balboaCan HRC just bail now and get...this...OVER with already.
No way Bal. She will never
May 7, 2008 - 09:48 ET by RESTLESS 1No way Bal. She will never spit the bit. She is no quitter.
Besides, do you really hate to see conservatives having fun so much you would take our entertainment away?
Lol. Nah, it's not that. I
May 7, 2008 - 09:49 ET by balboaLol. Nah, it's not that. I do enjoy the conspiracy talk about why one MSM outlet is doing something intentionally to help Obama, while another is intentionally covering a story to help Hillary.
Drudge says this AM she's
May 7, 2008 - 09:55 ET by motherbeltDrudge says this AM she's lending her campaign another 6.4 million. She will strangle the fat lady......
"She will strangle the fat lady......"
May 7, 2008 - 10:05 ET by RESTLESS 1Funny line, but a little too obvious. The fat lady will probably be found in a park in DC. with "self inflicted" gunshot wounds.
But with mysteriously-little
May 7, 2008 - 10:10 ET by sarcasmoBlood on the scene, as if the gunplay may have actually happened elsewhere, but we're not s'posed to think about that aspect of it. The very idea that those in power might conspire to do & then do bad things to stay in power is obviously "a conspiracy theory," after all. :)
JMR
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.
of course not
May 7, 2008 - 10:21 ET by candanceAnd police will say the shot wound was self-inflicted even though it would have been physically impossible for someone to get a gun situated that way. Then when their spouse cries cover up, they'll also end up committing suicide even though they had every reason to live....
Wasn't it terrorist Abu
May 7, 2008 - 10:24 ET by motherbeltWasn't it terrorist Abu Nidal that they found with 16 bullet holes in him and suicide note pinned to his chest??
Unfortunatly with the Clinton Political Machine's track record..
May 7, 2008 - 11:27 ET by Britcomlook for Hillary to take the nomination after her opponent dies in an unfortunate plane crash like Ron Brown.
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Communist vs. Statist '08
Q. Is Panamanian born John McCain a "Natural Born Citizen"
Superdelegates to sue???
May 7, 2008 - 11:41 ET by motherbeltI just heard on Rush that some of the Dem Superdelegates are talking about suing to get her out of the race!
Has anyone heard about this anywhere else?
Also: Correction: I misunderstood the headline (didn't read the article)...HRC is not lending herself 6.4 million today...that's what she has loaned herself in the past month.
But that's still a big investment for her to write off....
Oh mb...isn't that
May 7, 2008 - 11:43 ET by bigtimerOh mb...isn't that priceless...what goes around comes around.
Trial lawyers are one of the parties biggest contributors...Hill and others have been doing this or threatening to do this to our side for years now when election time rolls around...
I missed that on Rush today...I don't doubt it one bit.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Yeah, that would be rich!
May 7, 2008 - 11:58 ET by motherbeltYeah, that would be rich! But I don't know...Rush sometimes talks off the top of his head...speculating. That's why I wanted to know if anyone else heard. I could have misunderstood, but I don't think so.
Or found dead in a park
May 7, 2008 - 11:47 ET by NL207Or found dead in a park somewhere, the victim of an apparently self-inflicted gunshot wound.
Of course, he could as likely be found dead in his bed of an apparent heart attack.
Logically? Yeah.
May 7, 2008 - 09:51 ET by sarcasmoFiscally? No.
That's the power of debt to distort campaigns despite all the other money-rules in politics, which look more than a bit ironic at this point, IMO.
JMR
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.
Bal, I hate to tell you, pal, but the only way Broom Hitler isn'
May 7, 2008 - 10:03 ET by R D HelmBal, I hate to tell you, pal, but the only way Broom Hitler isn't going to stay in this all the way to Denver is going to be if she stops breathing.
LOL-And I am not totally confident even that would do it.
What the American people are looking for is somebody who can solve their problems. - Barack Obama, April 27, 2008
Take a hypothetical Republican primary . . . .
May 7, 2008 - 09:37 ET by Caringwhiteguy. . . . assume there are two candidates, a white male and a black female. Assume their voting records and stated intentions, while a little different at the margins, are fairly close. Assume white voters cast their ballots in favor of the white male by a margin of 92% to 8%.
Does MSM describe the white Republican voters as racist, sexist or both? How big of a story would this be across MSM and how long would it get major play?
History
May 7, 2008 - 09:39 ET by MeanderingThey would never let it go. It would be written about in history books how conservatives in that election still hold racist/feminist views and the party would never live it down.
Even if they nominated the
May 7, 2008 - 09:53 ET by mattmEven if they nominated the Black candidate they would still be portrayed as racists who only chose a token Black to deflect criticism; and the nominee would be callled an Uncle Tom...
See, if you're not a white boy and you're a Republican, you're a traitor. It's part of the racism of the Left.
Thought it kinda ironic
May 8, 2008 - 23:26 ET by general companyThought it kinda ironic last night while watching the returns, they flashed under the screen that something like 68% of white males voted for Hillery, and 89% of all Blacks voted for Obama. The ironic thing was that they suggested of the 10% of Repubs that voted 5% each voted for either Hillery or Obama. You see the Dems have always been the racist, it is them whom bring it up and are keeping tabs. I know white trash down here that are still openly biggioted that will ONLY vote for Dems.
Edit: sorry, some of this is uncalled for to say the least : [ GC
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Hillary's chances
May 7, 2008 - 09:37 ET by candance-Operation Chaos gave her Indiana. She won the state by a mere 20,000 votes.
-NC was a lost cause before she ever stepped foot there. I know too many people in that state and ALL of them told me Obama was their favorite.
-She won't drop out because West Virginia and Kentucky are up next...prime real estate for her to pick up delegates.
-Whoever wins come November, Dems will unite regardless and beat McCain handily.
Hillary Clinton - Movie Star
May 7, 2008 - 10:03 ET by WoodyMThey need to make a movie starring Hillary Clinton, and they can use scenes from these past classics.
First is "Animal House" where the character played by John Belushi tries to rally the fraternity with "Over? Did you say over? It's not over until we decide it is."
The other is "Fatal Attraction," in which Glenn Close's psycho character says, "No, it's not going to stop. It's going to go on and on," as she destroys anyone keeping her from her prize. But, instead of killing rabbits, Hillary kills cats.
If you think the GOP is AWOL in all this, you would be right.
May 7, 2008 - 10:17 ET by R D HelmAs, sadly, they are in no position to capitalize on the current disarray among the dems over Barry-O vs. Broom Hitler.
There are some rumblings that a leadership change my be in the works, but something tells me it may just be too little, too late.
I bet the repubs now wish they hadn't voted to double the size of the federal government, as well as bring us an entitlement program that, should SS not get to it first, is going to break the financial back of this country.
The republicans have abandoned their base, and I believe their base is going to abandon them in November.
What the American people are looking for is somebody who can solve their problems. - Barack Obama, April 27, 2008
RD... Have no fear,
May 7, 2008 - 10:21 ET by Clear thinkerRD...
Have no fear, somehow people like you and I will be blamed for the GOP's demise.
"Abstain from McCain"
Ain't that the truth.
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Q. Is Panamanian born John McCain a "Natural Born Citizen"
and more!
May 7, 2008 - 10:27 ET by candanceWe'll also be blamed for dead soldiers in Iraq, more aborted babies, and jobs lost overseas to communist mandates....and God have mercy on us if Al Qaeda launches another attack!
Ct, the GOP is already DOA.
May 7, 2008 - 10:37 ET by R D HelmThey just don't know it yet.
Up until about three days ago, I thought McCain was going to have a pretty good chance against whichever dem takes the field in the general election.
The more I see of what he is doing, the more it appears that he is headed for defeat in November. He has done next to nothing to really distinguish himself from the dems he will be facing.
Many of my conservative friends have informed me that, should McCain show up at the La Raza event, they will consider that the proverbial last straw and either stay home or vote libertarian. If McCain is smart, he will bow out of appearing before those hideous people, and fast. Somehow, I don't think he is that smart.
What is worse, no matter who the dem candidate ultimately is, 90%+ of the black vote is still going to go for the dems. Even if it is Hillary. Sure, some will stay home, a handful might even vote for McCain but, at the end of the day, they will mostly "run home to mamma." Old habits die hard.
McCain's only real chance now is that his opponent self-destructs shortly before the election.
What the American people are looking for is somebody who can solve their problems. - Barack Obama, April 27, 2008
If the GOP has any sense at
May 7, 2008 - 10:40 ET by NL207If the GOP has any sense at all, the upcoming election will be about Reverand Wright. It may even be about Ethanol fuel, and it might be about prohibition of oil explortion and production within the US. The Dems will take a beating on all of these issues.
NL207,
May 7, 2008 - 11:19 ET by R D HelmUp until this weekend, I thought for sure that Barry-O had irretrievably lost middle America, but the pre-primary poll results started coming in suggesting otherwise.
The results in yesterday's two primaries have confirmed my worst fears about the gullibility of many members of our electorate. The "stupid factor" is going to loom large in this election, and will be extremely difficult for the castrated republicans to overcome.
When you factor in McCain, who seems to spend more time attacking his own party rather than the dems, and who is about as painfully weak a candidate as it gets, well, let's just say that it is really difficult to raise any real optimism here.
What the American people are looking for is somebody who can solve their problems. - Barack Obama, April 27, 2008
I grant you that McCain is
May 7, 2008 - 11:41 ET by NL207I grant you that McCain is not a strong conservative candidate. In fact, he is nothing more than a 60's-70's Democrat. We call those 'Republicans' today.
I encourage you to be more optimistic. The nation as a whole does not want what Obama is selling. So far he really hasn't had to define himself. The Dems are sick of HRC. She is not radical enough for their mainstream. She also has more baggage than a Roman Legion. He gets the nod there just by not letting Reverand Wright or his other disreputable past connections stick to him. Wait until the general election.
Well RD... If you are
May 7, 2008 - 10:41 ET by Clear thinkerWell RD...
If you are correct you will be one dollar richer.
"Abstain from McCain"
LOL.
May 7, 2008 - 11:01 ET by R D HelmYeah, by a whopping $0.12. :-)
What the American people are looking for is somebody who can solve their problems. - Barack Obama, April 27, 2008
We still have the nuclear option...
May 7, 2008 - 10:51 ET by BritcomMcCain could be struck from the ballot as ineligible.
I have been thinking about the problem of who would have standing to challenge McCain's candidacy and I think it would be a GOP Elector (as in Electoral College) from a state that throws all of its votes to the winner of that state's primary. Because McCain was not born in the US (and therefore apparently Constitutionally ineligible for the Presidency), but is the candidate the Elector is obligated to vote for, the Elector could sue for disenfranchisement.
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Q. Is Panamanian born John McCain a "Natural Born Citizen"
You know McCain is an
May 7, 2008 - 11:07 ET by Dan The Man 2You know McCain is an American citizen period.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
So is Schwartzenegger, and he can't run
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Q. Is Panamanian born John McCain a "Natural Born Citizen"
Britcom, actually, that contention has a far better chance
May 7, 2008 - 11:17 ET by R D HelmBritcom, actually, that contention has a far better chance against Obama than MCain.
LOL-But I'll give you an "A+" for effort here.
What the American people are looking for is somebody who can solve their problems. - Barack Obama, April 27, 2008
Questions
May 8, 2008 - 02:41 ET by UnsaneBecause McCain was not born in the US (and therefore apparently Constitutionally ineligible for the Presidency)
Some simple, basic questions for you then:
1) Why is my sister not a German citizen? She was born in Germany, after all.
2) If this is the case, how come the AF isn't running an operation (let's call it Operation Patriot Stork) where expectant mothers who happen to be overseas as wives of military personnel, diplomats, and other government employees (example) aren't flown home regularly to give birth in the United States in order to ensure their children are U.S. citizens upon birth? And why wouldn't operations like that NOT have been going on for decades?
Hint: "You're in denial" is NOT an answer. "You're a McCain lover!!!" is likewise not an answer, and a lie as well.
Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.
Answer to Unsane
May 10, 2008 - 15:34 ET by Britcom1) Many European nations operate under the Roman Civil Law system; the US, UK, Canada, Australia, and other British Commonwealth nations operate under the British Common Law system. Roman Civil law citizenship passes by blood, or naturalization, British Common law citizenship passes by birth on sovereign soil, or naturalization. (naturalization is not natural birth even if it takes place "at" birth because naturalization is citizenship bestowed by virtue of a statute, not common law birth on the soil.
While a statute can supersede a common law precedent, statute cannot supersede a common law precept ensconced in the language of the Constitution. The Constitution, by design, always has supremacy over Congress, the President, and the Courts, because all three receive their authority from the Constitution (the Constitution is a Common Law Contract). The Constitution received its authority from the People, and the People received their authority from the King (via the Treaty of Paris which surrendered the American Colonies after the American Revolutionary War) and the King got his authority from God who owns the whole of the Earth and all of its inhabitants.
As long as the US Constitution exists unchanged, the British Common Law system will be the default law of the land where Constitutional law or Statute law do not speak.
2) Because the Constitution's "natural-born" disability applies EXCLUSIVELY to POTUS candidates; and only a Constitutional Amendment can remove it; and because the Congress hasn't offered such an amendment because they don't care if your foreign born children can qualify to be President some day.
John Jay wrote in the "natural born" clause and the rest of the Founders endorsed it. Jay apparently didn't want anyone with dual citizenship or dual loyalty to be eligible for POTUS. He probably assumed such a clause would insure that POTUS candidates would not have divided loyalties.
Those who disagree with John Jay's "natural born" clause, should not be arguing the unfairness of it, they should be campaigning for an amendment to remove it. An amendment is the only remedy available. Neither the Congress (through legislation), nor the Supreme Court can change the meaning of the Constitution, so appealing to them is pointless.
An Amendment may be proposed by either the people, or the Congress, but such an amendment requires ratification by a majority of the States before it could take effect.
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Q. Is Panamanian born John McCain a "Natural Born Citizen"
Long on blather
May 11, 2008 - 03:14 ET by UnsaneLong on blather, short on answers to the questions.
I repeat myself (after modifying my first question for clarity):
1) Why is my sister (born to two U.S. citizens) not a German citizen, but rather, an American citizen? She was born in Germany, after all.
2) If this is the case, how come the AF isn't running an operation (let's call it Operation Patriot Stork) where expectant mothers who happen to be overseas as wives of military personnel, diplomats, and other government employees (example) aren't flown home regularly to give birth in the United States in order to ensure their children are U.S. citizens upon birth? And why wouldn't operations like that NOT have been going on for decades?
Hint: "You're in denial" is NOT an answer. "You're a McCain lover!!!" is likewise not an answer, and a lie as well.
As long as the US Constitution exists unchanged, the British Common Law system will be the default law of the land where Constitutional law or Statute law do not speak. Again, show me where this is WRITTEN. For one thing, the citizens of Louisiana will be very surprised to see this, as the basis of their law is NOT English commom law.
Those who disagree with John Jay's "natural born" clause, should not be arguing the unfairness of it, they should be campaigning for an amendment to remove it. An amendment is the only remedy available. Neither the Congress (through legislation), nor the Supreme Court can change the meaning of the Constitution, so appealing to them is pointless. Really? You've missed out on some Supreme Court decisions of late then. Again, the second question is relevant here. Trust me, if military personnel were stationed overseas, and knew that if they had children overseas where they are stationed could not be citizens upon birth, you'd be hard-pressed to send people overseas. Likewise, the State Department would be SCREAMING for people to work for them. Hence horribly inconvenient things - for you - like laws that state, as much as you fight the reality of them, that birth to two U.S. citizens, regardless of where it happens, means that the child is born a U.S. citizen.
You are just going to have to find other means to get people to back your Populist, non-conservative Hero.
Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.
Breaking it down for Unsane (again)
May 11, 2008 - 12:17 ET by BritcomThe reason your sister is (apparently) not a German Citizen has to do with German law; which I have no knowlege of.
Apparently, (I say apparently, because I am relying on the information you have supplied for this example) the reason she is (now) a US Citizen, is because after she was born outside the US borders, she then qualified to obtain US citizenship via a statute that allows foreign born children to be naturalized immediately when they qualify for said statute's requirements.
Since she (and every other foreign born child of US Citizens) were naturalized shortly after birth and not natural born within the US, she (and the others) are ineligible for the Presidency, but she has virtually all of the other rights a natural born citizen would have.
In other words there are TWO kinds of US Citizens (1)Natural, and (2)Naturalized, just like the 14 Amendment says. Therefore both your sister and John McCain as Naturalized US Citizens, are of the second kind.
The reason expectant mothers of foreign serving government employees are not flown home to give birth is because it is too expensive to bother since less then one in a million of those children would ever seek the US Presidency, and Naturalized US Citizenship is good enough for the vast majority of them. (If you don't agree, then you should work for an amendment to change it.)
Following the American Revolution, one of the first legislative acts undertaken by each of the newly independent States was to adopt "reception statutes" that gave legal effect to the existing body of English Common Law. Some States enacted legislative reception statutes, while other States received the English common law through provisions of the State's constitution.
For example, the New York Constitution of 1777 provides that:
Other States that entered the union also adopted the English Common Law system (except for Louisiana)
Federal Law is also based on the English Common Law as stated in the Seventh Amendment:
At the time there was no other kind of common law but English Common Law so the reference is obviously to the English system.
You state:
Again, you fail mention which kind of US Citizen results from such laws as you refer to; Naturalized US Citizen, or Natural Born US Citizen.
The laws enacted by Congress result in Naturalized US Citizenship.
The Constitution prohibits such Naturalized US Citizens from qualifying for the Presidency by virtue of the Constitution's supremacy over Congresses' statutes and the Common Law concept of "natural born Citizen" it enlists to disable Naturalized US Citizens from obtaining that office.
You do your readers a disservice by obscuring my argument from that of "Natural Born US Citizen" to that of the more general but misleading "US Citizen".
Unlike you, I am always careful to specify the difference. Your failure to specify a difference misleads people into thinking that I maintain that those children of US Citizens born on foreign soil are not entitled to any kind of US Citizenship, I have always said they are Naturalized US Citizens with all the rights of Natural Born US Citizens, SAVE ONE, the right to hold the office of President, who's disability is enshrined in the US Constitution.
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Q. Is Panamanian born John McCain a "Natural Born Citizen"
Now we know why McCain
May 11, 2008 - 12:22 ET by Clear thinkerNow we know why McCain loves illegals.
I wonder if McCain was snuck across our southern border as a child?
"Abstain from McCain"
Ct, I would say like Moses was snuck into Egypt....
May 12, 2008 - 22:57 ET by R D Helm...but Moses was on a mission from God.
I am not at all confident that McCain is on a mission from same.
What the American people are looking for is somebody who can solve their problems. - Barack Obama, April 27, 2008
AGAIN, ad nauseum
May 20, 2008 - 20:22 ET by UnsaneSince she (and every other foreign born child of US Citizens) were naturalized shortly after birth INCORRECT. She was - and IS - a U.S. citizen upon her birth. Period. End of discussion. German law matters not here. Since both of her parents (and mine) were and ARE U.S. citizens, SHE is a U.S. citizen at the moment of birth.
If this is not the case, answer the question, as the United States military is totally beholden to U.S. law AND is crawling with legal officers:
Why is there not an operation - let's call it Operation Patriot Stork just for fun - where the expectant spouses of, say, U.S. service members , diplomats and the like flown home on the government dime to ensure their children will be U.S. citizens?
Unlike you, I am always careful to specify the difference. Your failure to specify a difference misleads people into thinking that I maintain that those children of US Citizens born on foreign soil are not entitled to any kind of US Citizenship, I have always said they are Naturalized US Citizens WRONG! It really is too damn bad for you that I have grown up with a Naturalized Citizen - my mother - and a U.S. citizen born overseas, NOT naturalized in ANY WAY, because she was BORN TO TWO UNITED STATES CITIZENS. So, unlike you, I know what I am talking about from direct personal experience. with all the rights of Natural Born US Citizens, SAVE ONE, the right to hold the office of President, who's disability is enshrined in the US Constitution INCORRECT. Again, since you are reading impaired, and painfully so, show me where specifically it says that the President MUST be born on the soil of the United States.
If only I could show you the AFN commercial - painful though it is (like ALL AFN commercials) - that explains this on the kindergarten level you need it explained at.
Is this because you hate military dependents, or because of your neurotic obsession with your Populist Hero?
Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.
Your argument is non sequitur...
May 21, 2008 - 01:16 ET by Britcomit rests entirely up your own say so.
Contrary to what some assume, the idea that "natural born" means "born of citizen parents" is a myth with no basis in US law. Read the case law I have provided at the link below and see. Your argument is called the "jus sanguinus" or "citizenship by blood" argument. The 14th amendment put an end to that notion and the courts have continued to reject it ever since. Either a citizen is natural born inside the US territorial borders, or he is naturalized.
Read the 14th amendment and the resulting case law and do your homework, site relevant examples of rulings by US courts of law to support your argument as I have done, rather than just repeating false assumptions and hearsay.
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Q. Is Panamanian born John McCain a "Natural Born Citizen"
I'll keep on repeating the challenge then
May 21, 2008 - 14:01 ET by UnsaneContrary to what some assume, the idea that "natural born" means "born of citizen parents" is a myth with no basis in US law. Read the case law I have provided at the link below and see. Your argument is called the "jus sanguinus" or "citizenship by blood" argument. The 14th amendment put an end to that notion and the courts have continued to reject it ever since. Either a citizen is natural born inside the US territorial borders, or he is naturalized. INCORRECT. My sister's birth certificate invalidates your entire paragraph. You simply will not trump my direct personal experience in this area. And spare me your shoddy attempts at Constitutional scholarship. And just answer the question.
If that is in fact the case, then why aren't expectant spouses of military/diplomatic/other government employees (or, to be fair to the ladies, perhaps the military/diplomatic personnel/government employees themselves as some are in fact women!) flown home to the United States to give birth on the government dime on a fictional program I like to call Operation Patriot Stork?
This isn't a non sequitor, as much as you wish to throw a tantrum and make it so. That is a very direct question. Bear in mind that such an operation should have been going on for decades IF you are correct - and the military, for one, is crawling with legal officers who know FAR more about the law and the Constitution than YOU do.
You will whine and scream that I'm in denial, that I love MCain, that my argument is a non-sequitor, only because I suspect you know the answer to the question...and you simply do not like the answer to the question.
Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.
The fact is the Pentagon
May 21, 2008 - 17:29 ET by Britcomdoesn't care whether your children are natural born in the US or only naturalized. They just want you do your duty and keep your mouth shut. If your kid is not able to qualify for the office of President because s/he was foreign born... oh well, that's just another sacrifice you chose to accept when you joined the service. So no flights home for birthin' babies... not a priority... not a necessity for the success of the mission, and all that.
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Q. Is Panamanian born John McCain a "Natural Born Citizen"
RD, as a neutral third
May 7, 2008 - 10:35 ET by mandrakeRD, as a neutral third party who loves politics, I ask what would conservatives do if they abandon the GOP. I see a couple of options...
1) After the election purge the GOP of 'rinos' as you call them and prepare for 2010.
2) Form a third party. I like independent parties. They've made Canadian politics fun for decades. Why must it always be GOP vs. Dems?
Just my two cents worth.
And exactly how do you
May 7, 2008 - 10:56 ET by motherbeltAnd exactly how do you "purge" the GOP of RINO's???
Well, in the old USSR, they
May 7, 2008 - 11:08 ET by Chris NormanWell, in the old USSR, they caught "colds"... :)
In the old USA
May 7, 2008 - 11:18 ET by BritcomHere they suddenly develop a sexual deviancy and then they vanish.
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Q. Is Panamanian born John McCain a "Natural Born Citizen"
Unfortunately, those that do
May 7, 2008 - 11:30 ET by Chris NormanUnfortunately, those that do are are usually conservative -while the RINOS keep chugging on into dotage.
mandrake,
May 8, 2008 - 21:47 ET by R D HelmThe best immediate option in the Libertarian Party, as it has a pretty good existing infrastructure when compared to the Constitution Party, or any of the others.
I, too, believe the two party system has become an anachronism, due mainly to the diverse intrests that did not exist fifty years ago. Secondarily, it is because the differences between the two current parties have become few and far between.
Both parties are spending the US into financial oblivion.
What the American people are looking for is somebody who can solve their problems. - Barack Obama, April 27, 2008
What the blogs are saying...
May 7, 2008 - 10:22 ET by BritcomAn interesting commentary by blogger BigChief:
Source: Politico
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Q. Is Panamanian born John McCain a "Natural Born Citizen"
McCain Not a GOP Uniter
May 7, 2008 - 10:34 ET by BritcomSource: Huckabee campaign press release
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Q. Is Panamanian born John McCain a "Natural Born Citizen"
Republicans are just making
May 7, 2008 - 10:40 ET by Roger the ShrubberRepublicans are just making a statement, telling the RNC powers-that-be (and McCain) that they are not happy with this nomination.
Those Huckabee voters will vote for McCain come November, when their vote will actually mean something. Who knows what the mental giant Ronulans will do. Wow.
I wouldn't count those Huckabee voters just yet.
May 7, 2008 - 11:03 ET by BritcomThe only scenario that I can see a Huckabee voter pulling the lever for McCain, is if it is McCain/Huckabee.
Otherwise the Constitution Party is going to have a banner year. They just nominated a conservative radio talk show host and Christian mega-church pastor from Florida as their candidate for President.
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Q. Is Panamanian born John McCain a "Natural Born Citizen"
And dumped Keyes
May 7, 2008 - 11:46 ET by sarcasmoBut someone right here on NB (no, not you) has yet to notice! I'm tempted by Baldwin, so the Libertarian Party needs to make their choice particularly attractive this time. Fortunately for the LP, I'm an admirer of Mary Ruwart, and she has a good shot at their nomination.
JMR
PS It's now official: The Whiner spends more time reading the Daily Paul than I do -- until today I hadn't checked there in over a week.
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.
Here's the link...
May 7, 2008 - 11:51 ET by BritcomConstitution Party Candidate >>
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Q. Is Panamanian born John McCain a "Natural Born Citizen"
At least we all know why
May 7, 2008 - 11:59 ET by Roger the ShrubberAt least we all know why your posts aren't as stupid as they normally are. You are drifting away from the hive. An obvious sign of you maturing, Sparky. Good for you!
Do try hard to not ruin this decent, adult thread with your douchebaggery, ok?
Situation: Normal
May 7, 2008 - 12:05 ET by sarcasmoThe Whiner calls a thread "adult" while Koss-ifying it at the same time.
JMR
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.
What exactly does
May 7, 2008 - 17:49 ET by Roger the ShrubberWhat exactly does "Kossifying" (without the lame hyphen) mean?
On second thought, I don't care. Here's your binky.
I feel confident that, in a
May 7, 2008 - 11:52 ET by Roger the ShrubberI feel confident that, in a state where 60% of the vote went Republican (Bush won by a half a million votes) in 2004, those 40,000 lost votes could be absorbed, I think.
But, that's what makes America great, right? You have the choice of voting for whoever you want...
So?
May 8, 2008 - 02:44 ET by UnsaneThey just nominated a conservative radio talk show host and Christian mega-church pastor from Florida as their candidate for President. Great! IF, that is, the only thing the President had to worry about was delivering sermons on Sunday and the weekly radio address. As the Presidency involves a TEENSY bit more than that...color me unimpressed. (But then, Britcom: live by identity politics, die by identity politics.)
Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.
Can someone check and see if
May 7, 2008 - 10:40 ET by Chris NormanCan someone check and see if Obama is still delivering his victory speech?
Chris.... ROFLMAO! Isn't
May 7, 2008 - 12:08 ET by bigtimerChris....
ROFLMAO!
Isn't that the truth...but he made sure to say how much he loves AMERICA now! He loves this country and Michelle does too!
Who knew....
On and on he went with his sweet nothing empty promises.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
bt, Thanks! I knew I could
May 7, 2008 - 13:57 ET by Chris Normanbt,
Thanks! I knew I could count on you to reply! Now that I've got you - you monitor the cable networks - tell me, for heaven's sake, has he stopped yet?
Chris
May 7, 2008 - 18:56 ET by Noel SheppardChris,
Sorry to come to this party late, but I've been REAL busy for what should be OBVIOUS reasons.
That said, ROTFFLMFAO!!!
Absolutely delicious. :-) ns
I live in durham. I voted
May 7, 2008 - 11:06 ET by spikefaderI live in durham. I voted for Hillary, my girlfriend voted for Hillary. The local talk show after Rush had plenty of foot soldiers in operation chaos chiming in on how they voted for Hillary. I voted around 4:30pm. There was a young black kid in front of me - I knew he was there to vote Obama. He turned around and started asking me questions about how to vote. It was obvious that this was his first time voting. After the conversation, I knew Hillary was gonna be swamped.
Hillary is only staying in
May 7, 2008 - 11:16 ET by goldbarHillary is only staying in the race to recoup her losses. She's campaigning in hopes that her ignorant supporters haven't been paying attention and will keep donating to her campaign so she can pay herself back the $6.4 she lent herself. Personally, at this point she's even jeopardized her Senate seat.
As for Operation Chaos...while it may have worked in Ohio, it didn't work in Indiana. There were a whole lot of republicans that crossed over to vote for the democrat and now that they have, the initial fear is over. The first time you ride the roller coaster is pretty scary, but the second time it pretty fun. Expect a big win in the general by Obama, thanks to the republicans for switching loyalties.
Thanks, goldbar, as the republicans were merely...
May 7, 2008 - 11:24 ET by R D Helm...returning the favor for giving them McCain.
Tit for tat, as they say.
What the American people are looking for is somebody who can solve their problems. - Barack Obama, April 27, 2008
welcome back goldbar!
May 7, 2008 - 11:26 ET by candanceI love how you only show up on here when Obama has a bad day.
She just today lent another batch of millions to her campaign. So apparently she's lending herself money to pay herself back....
Oh, and since Obama has been outspending her 3 to 1, how come he can't lure her supporters away from her?
The media and the Obama campaign have all certified that Operation Chaos handed her Indiana...but an anonymous blogger apparently knows more than they do.
Hilarious.
Enjoy your fate being decided by super delegates whose votes are more valuable than yours.
Obama had a bad day? I guess
May 7, 2008 - 12:00 ET by goldbarObama had a bad day? I guess you didn't see what happened in North Carolina. If Hillary wins EVERY primary by 65%, has all the votes from Michigan and Florida counted plus keeping all of her superdelegates--SHE STILL LOSES! I know how you republicans LOVE Hillary, but put a fork in her---SHE'S DONE!
Counting Michigan and
May 7, 2008 - 12:09 ET by bassndudeCounting Michigan and Florida, Hillary has the vote, even the popular vote. I dont know where you learned math, but you need to brush up some. If you libs disenfranchise Michigan and Florida, do you really think they will break for Obama?? Not a chance. Both will break for McCain.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
wow!
May 7, 2008 - 12:31 ET by candanceYou actually came back to reply! Color me shocked!
ROFL you think Republicans like Hillary. Get a clue bro, please.
PS - You never answered me. If Hillary is done, why can't Obama get rid of her?
Republicans LOVE the
May 7, 2008 - 13:14 ET by goldbarRepublicans LOVE the Hillster, isn't that why they're voting for her in droves! Rush loves her, that's why he wants all his listeners to vote for her. Face it, the guy HATES McCain and loves Hillary!
Obama has no intention of getting rid of her.
Why murder your opponent when they're committing suicide?
gbar, It's a PRIMARY vote!!!
May 7, 2008 - 13:36 ET by upcountrywaterDid you know that there is a GENERAL vote in Nov?
Do you think Rush will still be asking his listeners to vote for hillery, in Nov?
The POPE says, GOD BLESS AMERICA!!
IranianUranium<sleep>New/Infrastructure/repair?/ROFLMAO
gb.... Operation Chaos is
May 7, 2008 - 13:48 ET by bigtimergb....
Operation Chaos is just what it says....chaos in the dem. party as we have nobody in the repub. party questioning critters like Obama and what he stands for...helping to deconstruct the dem. party...got it?
Working well so far...
Rush doesn't love Hill or Obama....anymore than I do, or most sane thinking people.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
"Republicans LOVE the
May 7, 2008 - 14:13 ET by ckc1227"Republicans LOVE the Hillster, isn't that why they're voting for her in droves! "
Thanks for confirming, yet again, that you don't know what the heck you're talking about, lol.
Well, he certainly doesn't
May 7, 2008 - 14:18 ET by goldbarWell, he certainly doesn't like McCain!
Huh? Hillary only won
May 7, 2008 - 11:29 ET by Roger the ShrubberHuh?
Hillary only won Indiana by 18,500 votes. How many of them were "converts"? Had Obama won Indiana, the nomination would have been over. But, alas, the carnage continues. How does that strengthen Obama? Do you honestly think those "converts" will vote for Obama come November?
Your logic is flawed.
" Expect a big win in the
May 7, 2008 - 11:44 ET by Chris Norman" Expect a big win in the general by Obama, thanks to the republicans for switching loyalties"
Roger, is it me, or does this phrasing sound suspiciously like a former poster here who has gone by many names?
Hey Chris - I was thinking the same thing
May 7, 2008 - 15:05 ET by Dee Bunkit seems like Hater/Leon
Hi Dee and Chris.... Ol'
May 7, 2008 - 15:11 ET by bigtimerHi Dee and Chris....
Ol' gb's been here way before hater/leon got kicked off...of course maybe where there is a will there's a way...I'm not PC savvy that way...their thinking was always alike for the most part, but I don't think it's Leon...could be wrong...that's for sure.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
BT - maybe it's one of his SFN pals
May 7, 2008 - 15:17 ET by Dee BunkRemember how he used to beg them for their passwords when he got kicked off? He used to post under more than one at the same time in the past also. I wasn't on enough recently to see if he still did that but he seemed to be very proud of his Leon persona so I wouldn't be surprised if he stopped using more than one at the same time for the most part.
Dee...Oh yeah...I
May 7, 2008 - 15:21 ET by bigtimerDee...
Oh yeah...I remember well...there is no way that Leon won't be back...he can't stay away from his real family, he's going nuts without us until he can rejoin us, he lasted the longest as Leon....lol!
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
newbie
May 20, 2008 - 20:24 ET by ort777For the newbies (like me), can you explain the Leon/Hater stuff? I need to catch up and I have a feeling I'm missing out on a lot of good stuff.
Ort777
May 20, 2008 - 20:27 ET by Free StinkerOrt, this might be a good start.
"Don't forget to vote this fall. Not for McCain, not ever, but there might be a Conservative Rep or Senator that Needs Your Vote" --Free Stinker
free
May 20, 2008 - 20:30 ET bywhy i am flattered
“i am the quixotic botg and i approved this message”
botg
May 20, 2008 - 20:32 ET by Free StinkerIt's too good of a reference, so I keep a link handy! ;-)
handi links
May 20, 2008 - 20:44 ET byso unlike you
:o
“i am the quixotic botg and i approved this message”
LOL
May 20, 2008 - 20:46 ET by Free StinkerLOL
ort
May 20, 2008 - 20:28 ET byLeon/Hater/Gunslinger are all names of the same person who has been a troll here in his many re-incarnations.
“i am the quixotic botg and i approved this message”
ort777, this is one of my favorite NB threads of all time:
May 20, 2008 - 20:38 ET by R D HelmIt didn't involve Leon/Hater, but it was thought we had another troll amoung us at the time.
LOL-Turns out that shawn wasn't one (as he now resides on my Buddy List), but many weren't sure about him at the time.
We are being smothered by government in this country. - Neal Boortz
Hunh? What is Goldbrick babbling about?
May 7, 2008 - 11:34 ET by m36b1Yeahhhh.... just registering and voting to keep Obama and Hillary beating each other up (and it has worked beautifully) means I'm automatically going to vote DemoKrat in November?? Ummm, sorry to disappoint you Goldbrick. I'm off of the Marxist rollercoaster roll-call when the vote REALLY counts. Wow.
Expect a big win in the
May 7, 2008 - 14:58 ET by motherbeltExpect a big win in the general by Obama, thanks to the republicans for switching loyalties.
what makes you think the Republicans who crossed over are going to vote Democrat in the General?
10:30 AM 5/07/08 Can someone
May 7, 2008 - 11:32 ET by Chris Norman10:30 AM 5/07/08 Can someone check and see if Obama is still delivering his victory speech?
Poor Hillary
May 7, 2008 - 12:28 ET by candanceIs anyone catching Rush defending Hillary as a working mother who is being ganged up on by the boys in Washington, blaming BJ for sabeutaging her, and saying she could outperform Obama in the midst of hot flashes?
ROFL
Classic. Obama is "a guy" thus he deserves to lose. He really ought to stop because I'm laughing too hard!
Hi cd... Yes...and I was
May 7, 2008 - 12:58 ET by bigtimerHi cd...
Yes...and I was laughing too...and the laughter continues for me with my comment below...how rich is this...
May as well have some fun with what we have to work with this election...thank goodness for Rush.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Oh this is precious...I
May 7, 2008 - 12:55 ET by bigtimerOh this is precious...I just got my first Obama campaign phone call here in Mt. out of Missoula...I cracked up laughing, said I wasn't interested in the least...
The phone calls will be coming non-stop now until our primary here, which I think is June 3rd... Next time I may be more patient and play around some....lol!
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Say what is an Obama, do you
May 7, 2008 - 14:42 ET by Dan The Man 2Say what is an Obama, do you mean Usama the terrorist? Well I would like to vote can you pick me up on election day? Do you have to be registered, I dont know if I have registered yet?
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
Calling all Fareed Zakaria fans!
May 7, 2008 - 13:09 ET by balboaYour favorite foreign-born Newsweek writer was on The Daily Show last night to further throw America under the bus:
http://www.thedailys...
"Assume white voters
May 7, 2008 - 14:38 ET by ckc1227"Assume white voters cast their ballots in favor of the white male by a margin of 92% to 8%. Does MSM describe the white Republican voters as racist, sexist or
both? "
Racist, without a doubt. They already do it now when Hillary gets 60-70% of the white vote. Plus "racism" has more cache than "sexism".
Imagine Obama in the White House...
May 7, 2008 - 15:26 ET by Parker1227...due to conservatives against McCain.
2010 - Obama pulls all troops from Iraq leaving power vacumm leading to a real civil war fueled by competing Iranian and Saudhi insurgents. Government collapses, leading to mass death and choas 10x worse than any previous. New government forms as an anti-American jihad oriented Islamic state.
2011 - One supreme court justice dies and two retire, allowing Obama to re-organize the court to the left for decades to come.
2012 - Terror rockets launched against Israel become bigger and more devistating. Obama refuses to act against a now nuclear armed Iran - which is supplying the rockets.
"New government forms as an
May 7, 2008 - 17:10 ET by goldbar"New government forms as an anti-American jihad oriented Islamic state."
That's what they have now.
Care to provide some proof?
May 7, 2008 - 18:27 ET by RESTLESS 1Care to provide some proof? Or do you think we will just accept your dem talking point at face value and not ask you to prove your assertion.
Really?
May 8, 2008 - 02:48 ET by Unsanegoldbar, as one that is in country right now, I am very surprised to hear that. It will also come as a shock to many of the soldiers and Airmen that surround me.
But what the hell do I know? Silly me.
Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.
Parker... Calm down. Your
May 7, 2008 - 18:15 ET by Clear thinkerParker...
Calm down. Your precious McCain is going to win in the general election, and he will still be able to pull it off without the conservative vote. I guarantee it!
"Abstain from McCain"
Clear, I think you may be
May 7, 2008 - 18:34 ET by mandrakeClear, I think you may be right..I've never ever lost a bet on the outcome of a US presidential elect since Nixon-Kennedy. (I bet with my Dad)
My instincts tell me McCain will win..but I'm not putting my money down till after the 'official' debates.
BTW..don't tell me it's illegal to bet on an election...I live in Canada :P
Mandrake... I'm curious
May 7, 2008 - 18:37 ET by Clear thinkerMandrake...
I'm curious as to what your reasons are that you think he could win?
"Abstain from McCain"
Well, I think that Hillary
May 7, 2008 - 18:49 ET by mandrakeWell, I think that Hillary and Obama are just a little too far left for the average voter. So when crunch time comes in the voting booth, they will run to McCain.
So you don't think that
May 7, 2008 - 18:52 ET by Clear thinkerSo you don't think that racism or sexism will play a part?
"Abstain from McCain"
No not really. I think
May 7, 2008 - 19:06 ET by mandrakeNo not really. I think Americans will go with whomever they feel most comfortable with..and I don't think/feel Hillary or Obama fits the bill..due to their stand on things like Health Care, Iraq, other social issues.
So where does this outsider Canadian think he has any insight into the American psyche..well I grew up with and love American culture.
TV from Buffalo was the only signal available. :)
mandrake, McCain is the Bob Dole of the '08 election.
May 7, 2008 - 20:50 ET by R D HelmAnd I think he will wind up just like Dole.
Burnt toast.
The MSM is going to crucify McCain. Ugly, that will be.
What the American people are looking for is somebody who can solve their problems. - Barack Obama, April 27, 2008
RD you may well be right.
May 7, 2008 - 21:02 ET by mandrakeRD you may well be right. I'll have to wait for the debates to make my final guess. Bob Dole was up against Bill, who was very smooth. Hillary on her feet is no Bill. Obama, while a gifted speaker, has some problems (Wright...too left wing) to deal with.
mandrake, McCain has all the charisma of a potted plant.
May 7, 2008 - 21:27 ET by R D HelmThe MSM is going to go after him with both barrels. Hell, they will probably invent a quad-barreled shotgun just for the occasion.
Remember the Kennedy-Nixon debate? Those who listened by radio voted Nixon the winner. Those who viewed it on TV voted Kennedy as the winner.
This campaign is the logical extension of that, but there are two major differences today:
1) Kennedy was fairly conservative.
2) Many more Americans today judge people by appearance, not substance, then even when Nixon and Kennedy were running.
This is going to be the American Idol election. As such, even without the opposition of the MSM, McCain is in serious trouble. Given the fact that the MSM (which is full of libs dripping with "white guilt") has jettisoned Broom Hitler in favor of Obama, it is going to be even worse.
What is more, many of the members of the DumbMasses are going to swallow the MSM's portrayal of Obama hook, line and sinker.
What the American people are looking for is somebody who can solve their problems. - Barack Obama, April 27, 2008
Ok, but fact of the matter
May 7, 2008 - 21:31 ET by mandrakeOk, but fact of the matter is, the debates will be on live TV and all over the internet. With sites everywhere babbling on about what it all means (including NB). I trust the American people to see thru the media and make the best choice.
"I trust the American
May 7, 2008 - 21:36 ET by MightyMouth"I trust the American people to see thru the media and make the best choice."
Then how do explain the Clinton's two terms?
(and jimmy carter, btw)
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Ok, let me back up and
May 7, 2008 - 21:42 ET by mandrakeOk, let me back up and rephrase...I started out by saying I've never lossed a bet since Nixon-Kennedy. I don't know I do it, but it works..I have a hunch about McCain.
Can I go to bed now?
LOL!
May 7, 2008 - 21:43 ET by MightyMouthNighty Nite! mandrake!
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
wow mandrake
May 7, 2008 - 21:46 ET by candanceYou have much more faith in American people than I do.
The left in this country is getting louder every year and are close to deluging Congress.
mandrake, I watched McCain carefully in the debates.
May 7, 2008 - 21:47 ET by R D HelmWhat I saw truly concerned me. He frequently got confused and lost his place.
He pulls that nonsense against Obama (or even Hillary) and he's finished.
And quite honestly, after 50+ years of government education, I no-longer trust that the American people are able to see through much of anything anymore.
What the American people are looking for is somebody who can solve their problems. - Barack Obama, April 27, 2008
agreed RD
May 7, 2008 - 21:34 ET by candanceFar too many Americans care about looks instead of substance and with gas/groceries being so expensive they'll run to a Democrat to fix it - exactly how they did in 1976.
Then you have to consider that the current GOP is taking a beating for out of control spending. McCain won't be able to paint Obama as a tax-and-spend liberal quite so effectively.
Third, consider how McCain is even older than Reagan and is known for having a violent temper. He makes Bob Dole look like a pretty cool guy.
You get a smooth talking young black guy talking about change, on the same stage as a grumpy old white man who admits he doesn't understand the economy, in the midst of trying times and huge national debt...the details really won't matter by then.
-
May 7, 2008 - 21:51 ET by dahliatraversdon't tell me it's illegal to bet on an election...I live in Canada :P
Never mind bet on an American election. C'mon down and vote in one. Most states don't require i.d. at the polls, much less proof of citizenship.
Border fence across deep canyon (Smuggler's Gulch) is slated
May 8, 2008 - 03:02 ET by BritcomSource: San Diego Union-Tribune
h/t MinutemanHQ.com
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Communist vs. Statist '08
Q. Is Panamanian born John McCain a "Natural Born Citizen"