For general discussion and debate. Possible talking point: Hillary bet on the horse that had to be put down at the Kentucky Derby Saturday (paragraph breaks removed, emphasis added):
Showing a sisterhood with the female horse, Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., during a trip to Louisville this week had said she was going to bet on Eight Belles to win, place, and show. ABC News' Karen Travers reports that Clinton told supporters in Jeffersonville, Ind., earlier this week, "I hope that everybody will go to the derby on Saturday and place just a little money on the filly for me. I won’t be able to be there this year -- my daughter is going to be there and so she has strict instructions to bet on Eight Belles." Travers also points out that Eight Belles' trainer, Larry Jones, returned the love. "It looks like it could be the year for the girls," he said.
Is this a macabre irony given how poorly things have gone this year for the woman that would be president as well as Katie Couric, or in very bad taste to bring up?
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That is pretty ironic but
May 5, 2008 - 10:17 ET by taterThat is pretty ironic but you should already see the media and PETA nuts already go into a tizzy over the death of this horse.
"They need to have a course in college called common sense and everyone should take it. Problem is there isn't too many people that could pass or teach it." -my grandfather
Giddyup
May 5, 2008 - 10:19 ET by Dr_LibertyI feel extra sorry for the horse now. I hope Hillary isn't betting on the American people to win or show.
<insert witty signature here>
Dr_L, maybe Broom Hilda will bet on herself.
May 5, 2008 - 14:29 ET by R D Helm:-)
What the American people are looking for is somebody who can solve their problems. - Barack Obama, April 27, 2008
Hillary couldn't
May 5, 2008 - 10:24 ET by Delsahold a candle to Eight Belles.
Eight Belles had more class and grace than HC could ever hope to have.
She ran a valiant race and to compare Eight Belles to HC is grotesque. Hillary wishes she were a race horse. Truth is she is, she is a Jack Ass!!
Horses dying, flags falling
May 5, 2008 - 10:29 ET by mister josephHorses dying, flags falling down at a press conference...do we need an even more obvious sign?
Broken Ankles
May 5, 2008 - 10:32 ET by CaringwhiteguyIf poor Eight Belles had ankles as big as Hillary's, she'd be out grazing on the back 40 right now.
Just like Hillary
May 5, 2008 - 10:48 ET by Mica the MagnificentI knew they shouldn't have let that horse run in a pantsuit.
Big Brown
May 5, 2008 - 10:36 ET by iveseenitallThe poor filly also lost to a male horse named Big Brown. Ironic.
NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"
you beat me to the punch
May 5, 2008 - 10:38 ET by kdizzydazeI knew I wasn't the first to see that irony.
You could not make this stuff up
May 5, 2008 - 10:36 ET by kdizzydazeSo let me get this right - Hillary, in an effort to woo voters, fains interest in the Kentucky Derby. She goes so far as to pick the only philly (female horse) to win the race claiming that the horse, in a way, represents all that she has had to overcome.
Well, not only does the horse lose the race (albeit a valiant effort), but she has to be put down immediately following the race. And who does she lose to? None other than Big Brown.
Oh man - you cannot make this stuff up!!
Newsweek
May 5, 2008 - 10:50 ET by iveseenitallNewsweek (May12, 2008) has as its headline article a piece by one Fareed Zakaria. "The Rest of the Rest" is accompanied by a big glove which states "America #2". There are so many things to say about the essay, I don't know where to begin. Suffice to say, it is written by a guy raised in India and, IMHO, demonstrates Newsweek's negative wishful thinking about our future. If you doubt where our nation's "liberals" would like America to be, read this rag. But keep the barf bag handy.
NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"
I read it. It seems to
May 5, 2008 - 10:54 ET by balboaI read it. It seems to paint a pretty positive picture. Your issues?
B
May 5, 2008 - 11:01 ET by Noel SheppardB,
You thought this painted a positive picture of America? The entire piece was about how America is falling behind other countries economically. How do you see this as positive?
I'm breathless with antici........pation! ns
You took it as falling
May 5, 2008 - 11:14 ET by balboaYou took it as falling behind. I read it as everyone else catching up.
"This will not be a world defined by
the decline of America but rather the rise of everyone else."
He goes on to show that things in America are really pretty good, just that we're not way ahead of everyone else like we used to be.
B
May 5, 2008 - 12:05 ET by Noel SheppardB,
I'll be honest: I got so angry after the first few paragraphs that I walked away. I'm not a fan of Fareed's. I like his writing style, but find him too anti-American, and too pro- everything else.
He strikes me as the kind of well-educated immigrant from that part of the world who thinks he's above everybody here and that things "back home" were MUCH better, but, for some reason, continues to reside here.
Living where I do, I've come across this kind of hypocritical chauvinism for years. Frankly, I think that everybody who believes things are much better in their homeland should move back and THEN write about it. Just saying. ns
Resurect america love it or
May 5, 2008 - 12:33 ET by Dan The Man 2Resurect america love it or leave it, but I always tell people if they don't like how it is then change it .. get involved.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
Bal
May 5, 2008 - 11:27 ET by iveseenitallThere are so many negative implications regarding America in this article. But to outline a few:
1. Written by a man who was raised in India, he evinces a total misunderstanding of American "independence" and shows a lack of pride in its accomplishments.
2. He implies that the greatest thing about America is that it is so "big". He mocks the fact that we no longer have the tallest buildings or all the richest people. Sorry, that's not what has made us a great nation, Mr. Zakaria.
3. He implies that our "wars" have been a mistake.
4. He pounces on America's "anxiety" and implies that America is zenophobic.
5. He writes that America's "dictatorship" is finally over.
6. He relishes what he perceives as a "power shift" in the world..
I could go on all day. You really are a true "liberal" Bal, if you consider this tripe to be "positive" about our future. Just proves once more that we can...
NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal'
Big buildings: "These lists
May 5, 2008 - 11:30 ET by balboaBig buildings: "These lists are arbitrary and a bit silly..." but "reflect a seismic shift in power and attitudes."
You're gonna have to provide some quotes to back up the rest of your "claims."
Claims
May 5, 2008 - 11:49 ET by iveseenitallThese are not "claims". As I said, I could go on all day. But this is not the forum for a full analysis of this article. I could pick and chose quotes out of context and I'm sure you could too. You are a great example of how "liberals" think, however. The success of liberal indoctrination in the schools and in the media. Americans, I hope, will prove you and this guy Zakaria, wrong. America has a heart and a soul that is not understood by the modern "liberals". Ignorance is bliss.
NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"
Nice deflection disguised
May 5, 2008 - 11:50 ET by balboaNice deflection disguised as a lot of gobbledy-gook and insults.
Bravo.
Bal
May 5, 2008 - 11:54 ET by iveseenitallYou just proved me right. You have no understanding. Not your fault, I guess.
NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"
I'm the one actually
May 5, 2008 - 11:59 ET by balboaI'm the one actually presenting ideas and backing them up. You're deflecting and insulting.
Bal
May 5, 2008 - 13:08 ET by iveseenitallIf you insist, here are a FEW examples from this man's writing:
"American anxiety" --Where? -it is media driven
"The end of Pax Americana"--He gives Donald Trump as an example--He obviously thinks that is what America is about. He's ignorant.
"Islamic Jihadists are a nasty bunch...but... we have to look at this in context"...What context? Typically "liberal" comment.
"Terrorism...the overall number remains small"-- Tell that to the 911 victims.
"The Post-American world"---It's still America the last time I looked. I guess if Zakaris had his way, it would be "post" America.
He says that historians might say that we forgot to globalize ourselves. This is pure poppycock; we are all over the world. What, it's not enough? This evinces Zarkaris' overall attitude. In my opinion, America has to look inward, as well as outward. The sense of entitlement must stop in so many people here, and it must also stop around the world. America does not owe the rest of the world all the things Zarakis implies that it does. And it doesn't simply have to "get along" with everyone else. It is good that "they" are succeeding. But America is far from "#2" in the quest for success. If we are "fading" it is because we have abandoned the principles that made us so great, those that have made us the light of the world. We must continue to have faith in those principles. The problem is that the modern "liberal" does not believe in those principles. He believes that Zarkaris, et. al. are on our side. Naive and sad.
NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"
Not so bad
May 5, 2008 - 11:52 ET by KC MulvilleI have to say, Noel, that I'm with balboa on this one. Zakaria's point is, as he said several times, is not that America is collapsing, but that the rest of the world is improving rapidly, mostly by doing all of the things that made America's economy great. It's like basketball. We taught the rest of the world how to play, and they're getting very good at it. Good. That's what we wanted in the first place.
Zakaria, however, is missing one very important piece. It's a piece that the surge in Iraq should have taught him. All of this progress throughout the world comes, not just because the rest of the world adopted our economic techniques, but because they felt safe. The secret behind this global economic success is that the American military remains unbeatable. So long as the Americans provide the peace, everyone else can grow at their heart's desire. We're footing the bill. Zakaria doesn't mention that. Maybe he hasn't thought about it, because America's military strength has been taken for granted for so long.
The rest of the world needs to learn the obvious lesson from Iraq. It all starts with security. If the people feel safe, and they feel that their contracts will be honored and justice enforced, they will create wealth on their own. Right now, American military dominance is the basis of global stability, and that's what allows the rest of the world to grow and develop. However, like the surge in Iraq, we can't pay for the world's defense by ourselves forever. Sooner or later, the rest of the world is going to have to contribute, much more than they are now. Like the surge, we want to stand down, but we need the rest of the world to step up. When we demand that, the rest of the world is going to balk. If they think that American economic "techniques" are all there is to it, they're in for a rude awakening.
Fareed Zakaria
May 5, 2008 - 14:18 ET by PawpawNFareed Zakaria was born in INDIA to a practicing Muslim family. He currently resides in New York City with his wife, Paula Throckmorton Zakaria, son Omar, and daughters Lila and Sofia. Fareed has weighed in on his Muslim background on only one occasion, telling the Village Voice, "I occasionally find myself reluctant to be pulled into a world that's not mine, in the sense that I'm not a religious guy." So is he a citizen of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA?
An out of touch campaign ad
May 5, 2008 - 11:01 ET by sarcasmoAlmost any shooter would see the pictured rifle is not only euro-style for the double set triggers, but has its bolt in a lefty position. While left handed guns like this exist, they're always incredibly expensive custom jobs commissioned by the unfortunate left handed person who didn't do what most lefties do and learn to operate guns right handed. This one is, as the story says, the result of a reversed image, but it's still funny that they chose such an expensive piece for their ad and then managed to depict it wrong.
JMR
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.
Yawn...
May 5, 2008 - 12:11 ET by TinianThere's nothing "euro-style" about a set trigger and several bolt action rifles can be bought straight from the factory as left hand models at little or no additional cost.
BS.
May 5, 2008 - 12:17 ET by sarcasmoI've seen VERY few double trigger guns at ranges in FL or the rest of the country, and left handed models always cost substantially more, so you'll need to prove your "no" allegation. Do you live to prove you're full of BS with my posts?? Sure seems that way.
JMR
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.
You're Wrong Again
May 5, 2008 - 13:21 ET by TinianDouble set triggers, like bull barrels, are uncommon. They are not, however, "euro-style". They are "high-end firearm" style. American manufacturer Weatherby made double set trigger rifles for years but they've discontinued them.
Plus, you said:
Check out this Remington page on their left-hand offerings. Eleven models offered, none of which are "custom" or "commissioned".
Edit:
Here's a Savage Arms page with 12 left-hand offerings. Again, none of them are "custom" or "commissioned".
I had no idea, but
May 5, 2008 - 13:45 ET by sarcasmoYou're right. I just never see them.
JMR
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.
Unfortunate?
May 5, 2008 - 12:26 ET by CobraMan"While left handed guns like this exist, they're always incredibly
expensive custom jobs commissioned by the unfortunate left handed
person who didn't do what most lefties do and learn to operate guns
right handed."
After I enlisted in the military, I was surprised to discover that I have cross-dominance when it comes to shooting. I am right hand dominant but left eye dominant, which means I do most of my targeting through my left eye even though I am right handed (most left handed people are also left eye dominant). I could never figure out why my shooting wasn't very accurate until I was tested to see which eye was dominant. Once it was established that I am left-eye dominant, I learned to shoot left handed so I could accuretly hit the target. I went from marksman (the lowest grade) to expert (the highest) almost immediately after switching from a right-handed shooting style to a left-handed style. It was a simple solution to my accuracy problem. That's a lesson I've never forgotten and I still shoot left-handed.
The point I'm making is that in order to be accurate, you should follow your dominant traits and not try to force yourself to shoot in a manner that would make your targeting far less accurate like trying to "learn to operate guns right handed." Left-handed people should shoot left-handed if they want to hit the target with any accuracy.
Yeah, maybe that's not the right term...
May 5, 2008 - 12:32 ET by sarcasmoBut there's no way custom lefty guns as the pic implies will ever cost the same, as my own personal BSer claimed above, and if you've ever bought one I'm sure you'd agree the word "unfortunate" at least fits in the price department. The left handed shooters I know have managed to adapt to right handed guns as kids, but it probably took quite a bit of effort.
JMR
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.
It depends on the manufacturer, not the shooter.
May 5, 2008 - 12:42 ET by CobraManIt depends on the manufacturer, not the shooter. Some manufacturers offer both left and right handed models at the same price. It also depends on if your using a production model or a custom model. Most competitive shooters use custom models that are individually manufactured to the client's particular specifications and those types of guns are ALWAYS far more expensive than standardized production models. That expense isn't dependent upon which hand the shooter is using to pull the trigger, it's dependent on the fact that is far more labor intensive to produce a custom, hand-made model than a mass produced production model.
BTW Sarcasmo
May 5, 2008 - 13:27 ET by CobraManBTW Sarcasmo,
That's not a "custom lefty" rifle in that pic as even the original poster agrees that the pic is a MIRROR image of a standard, right-handed, mass-produced Mouser-66 rifle. Your argument just got shot full of holes, especially since the "BSer" pointed out that commercially produced rifles are available in left-handed models at NO ADDITIONAL COST!
It looks to me that the “BSer” is right and you are wrong.
(on edit: commercially produced and not commercially available)
We've all agreed
May 5, 2008 - 13:47 ET by sarcasmoThat the pic is reversed, that's what MY link says, and that, along with the double trigger setup, is what's so funny about the ad.
JMR
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.
Double Trigger
May 5, 2008 - 14:13 ET by CobraManDouble-trigger rifles are not uncommon, although they are more expensive than the standard single-trigger models. Competitive shooters and serious hunters use them because they're far more accurate than most other types of rifles, especially mass-produced, standard single-trigger models. That second trigger presets the primary triggering mechanism in order to allow for a lighter “pull“ on the primary trigger. That lighter “pull” reduces “jerk” which, in turn, increases accuracy.
Unlike the recreational shooters that you find at most gun ranges, serious hunters, like competitive shooters, use weapons that are highly accurate, and more expensive, as they wish to take down prey as quickly and as humanely as possible. I myself have used a similar rifle in the past for hunting deer. That increased accuracy makes the difference between a quick-kill shoot and one that merely wounds the prey so that they die slowly and painfully. When it come to competitive shooting and hunting, accuracy counts so it better to invest in a high-end rifle then to buy some off-the-shelf, mass-produced model.
I still don't understand why you claim that someone is a "BSer" simply because they point out your misunderstanding about rifles and their availability. I think you're a little confused about the difference between the recreational shooter who choose mass-produced, standardized, cheaper guns like you see being used in gun ranges around the country, and the competitive shooters and serious hunters who chose highly accurate, high-end (and expensive) or custom made (extremely expensive) guns. There is a HUGE difference between the various groups, wouldn't you agree?
I said he was right
May 5, 2008 - 15:05 ET by sarcasmoAnd I don't disagree with what you say about double triggers. What more do you want, anyway? (And have you ever seen him admit it when he has been wrong?)?
JMR
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.
dripping
May 5, 2008 - 19:23 ET by WesenYour comments don't pass the sniff test snakeman but sound more like they come from Sarah Brady's playbook and throne room reading. Stop hanging out with the Lederhosen crowd and get together with some serious hunters in the West... you're sure to change your mind.
According to Sarcasmo
May 5, 2008 - 23:43 ET by ahusserI am unfortunate to be left-handed, Sinister is the word, Gauche, you name it. I guess I should be in therapy. The only trouble I have had shooting left handed is that the brass from auto's and semi-auto's tend to hit me in the head and go down my collar. I have more trouble with elbow knocking at dinner and using scissors. If you force a left-handed person to do things right handed could cause stuttering.
Signed
poor unfortunate left-handed person
And I'll stand by that one...
May 5, 2008 - 23:46 ET by sarcasmoClearly, the world is made for the majority, which are right handers.
JMR
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.
Eight Belles
May 5, 2008 - 11:04 ET by CellaI am still hoping that I did not hear this correctly. But last night a guest on FNC's The Strategy Room made a bizarre and shameless comment.
This woman, when discussing Hillary Clinton, tried to make a parallelism between the horse race and the race for the presidency. She was implying that these races by females are risky and ill advised. I won't repeat the words.
It was muttered under her breath and the host quickly moved on.
NYT editorial passes on abortion lobby lies
May 5, 2008 - 11:22 ET by GrannyGrump42The ad:
http://realchoice.bl...
The editorial presenting it as just holding McCain accountable for his nefarious plans to "criminalize women":
http://theboard.blog...
The ad claims that if McCain was elected, he would "make women criminals". How? By pushing for the reversal of Roe vs. Wade. Which would not criminalize abortion but would merely restore whatever old laws were already on the books.
I've been spending the past week digging through historic newspaper archives, and the women, even if they survived, were considered "victims". The only women who were criminals were the abortionists and accomplices.
But I guess people who are okay with killing babies are okay with lying as well. Surprise, surprise, surprise!
Interesting choice of
May 5, 2008 - 11:26 ET by dscottInteresting choice of name.
The end of the watch is considered at 8 bells, hence the saying "Eight Bells and All Is Well."
http://www.navy.mil/navydata/questions/bells.html
Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.
I guess that now it is VERBOTTEN
May 5, 2008 - 11:45 ET by c5thenTo wish Hillary good luck with the phrase "break a leg", before she talks in public.
Of course, conspiracy nuts will be saying that the Clinton's had 8 Bells killed because she didn't win and they lost $2 on her.
The day that "politician" became a career choice is the day we started losing the Republic. Let's get it back! Alan Keyes '08.
New rule:
May 5, 2008 - 12:01 ET by UphillIf you complain about high gas prices then you are not allowed to buy $25.00 worth of lottery tickets. Especially when I'm standing in line behind you.
Nor are you allowed to have
May 5, 2008 - 12:06 ET by mattmNor are you allowed to have a "Green" bumper-sticker of any kind on your vehicle...
Up
May 5, 2008 - 12:09 ET by Noel SheppardUp,
Very good new rule. I'm totally behind its immediate implementation! :-)
I'd also like a new rule that you can't complain about high gas prices if you own more than one gas guzzler. After all, I can understand folks wanting one truck or SUV for utilitarian reasons. But, if you own more than one, SU about gas prices.
I'm just saying. ns
→ Eight Belles
May 5, 2008 - 12:17 ET by Cool ArrowSo Hillary was really telling everybody "Don't put your money on BIG BROWN". "Wouldn't want BIG BROWN to win".
Did nobody else pick up on this?
Apologies to iveseenitall. Too quick for me.
♣ a seal
Rejoice, comrades! Come
May 5, 2008 - 12:22 ET by Roger the ShrubberRejoice, comrades! Come celebrate the birthday of Karl Marx, brothers and sisters of the Motherland.
A hail Rodina-mat’!
I just saw one of the best
May 5, 2008 - 13:52 ET by Carl KolchakI just saw one of the best movies I've seen in a long time called "The Great Water." Here is a link about the synopsis. It's about religion versus communism.
http://www.greatwatermovie.com/Synopsis.html
Also, I wonder if CBS has seen this story yet.
http://www.gulfnews.com/world/United.../10210509.html
http://forum.archieven.org/index.php?topic=2004.0;wap2
Fake but accurate, eh, Carl?
May 5, 2008 - 14:50 ET by Roger the ShrubberFake but accurate, eh, Carl? Somehow I just KNEW you'd be posting on this topic, haha!
Obama's new pastor is just
May 5, 2008 - 13:20 ET by ForeverOnTheRightObama's new pastor is just as racist as the previous. It seems that the pastor that the congregation calls have a racist streak. Which means that the nature of that church and it’s members are racists, this membership includes Obama. Obama is hiding his racism. http://www.wnd.com/i...
Suffer from ED
May 5, 2008 - 15:09 ET by PawpawNCheck this out. GREAT! http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2008/04/25/clinton-liagra/
Till Death Do Us Part
May 5, 2008 - 19:45 ET by third eyeThere's alot of talk these days, especially in the liberal media, about the future of the Democratic candidates. Hillary, the diabolical political animal that she is, is seen by many as already planning her run in 2012. Almost everything she does these days is seen through that prism. How could she still be in this race they think. Its obvious shes going to lose, so she must be positioning herself for a run in 2012. But this line of thinking overlooks the history of the Democratic party. They simply do not recycle candidates the way Republicans do. Something happens to democratic losers in the political off season; they lose their newness and in the process the liberal media falls out of love with them almost as fast as they stumbled into it.
YOUR AD HERE? Okay, so what is up with this???????
May 5, 2008 - 22:19 ET by R D HelmI can tolerate the ads in the right margin, and sometimes even the ones that constantly show up in the middle of the articles, but wedged in just above the comments policy box?
I do not participate in NB to read ads.
What will be next? Clicking our way through a myriad of ads just to logon? Will it be ads soon preceding our individual comments?
If NB is going to go this route, could the new ads at least be limited to the "guess the party" articles? I mean, nobody reads those, anyway.
I'm sorry, but too much is just that.
Too much.
What the American people are looking for is somebody who can solve their problems. - Barack Obama, April 27, 2008
RD... I too hate all the
May 5, 2008 - 22:21 ET by Clear thinkerRD...
I too hate all the ads, but someone has to pay the bills.
Maybe NB should have a fundraising effort to offset the need for all of the ads.
"Abstain from McCain"
~
May 5, 2008 - 22:22 ET by Free StinkerI have no problems with those ads.
All I see is "Unable to Connect" in the banner locations :-)
Free,
May 6, 2008 - 22:40 ET by R D HelmI have an ad blocker, too, but sometimes it causes other problems.
Of course, if they were to show the T-shirt babes sans clothing.....
What the American people are looking for is somebody who can solve their problems. - Barack Obama, April 27, 2008