Two prominent conservatives on Sunday suggested that Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice might end up being John McCain's choice as his Vice Presidential running mate (picture courtesy ABC News).
Appearing on ABC's "This Week," GOP strategist Dan Senor said, "Condi Rice has been actively, actually in recent weeks, campaigning for this."
Moments later, George Will said (video available here, liberal website warning):
In fact, I guess I'm not talking out of school when I say in our green room last week when Senator Lieberman was on he said, well, perhaps Condi and of course Lieberman is very close.
What say you, NewsBusters? Do you like this choice, or have you other preferences?
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Condi! Where are you when we need you?
April 6, 2008 - 18:48 ET by Free StinkerWE'RE SAVED!
I just posted about this on the General Open Thread ;-)
So what is it about Condi
April 6, 2008 - 19:33 ET by balboaSo what is it about Condi that would make her such a great VP?
Bal, I'm glad you asked
April 6, 2008 - 19:59 ET by Free StinkerI like her experience.
IMHO, she has more experience at governing, than the three Senators running for President.
Free, And how exactly did
April 7, 2008 - 07:51 ET by LeonFree,
And how exactly did any of those credentials help her to accomplish nothing in the past 8 years?
She has been entirely ineffective and useless.
→ Good one Leon
April 7, 2008 - 08:13 ET by Cool ArrowAnd your side has Barack (redacted) Obama who trots out the thought of his daughters engaging in unprotected sex (that's how you get babies, isn't it).
Hmmm doesn't unprotected sex also expose them to AIDS? Evidently Barack (redacted) Obama is hinting that the White man is trying to infect his very young children with a deadly disease. His children's preacher is teaching them exactly that.
Class act you got on your side of the aisle, Leon
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Cool, I fail to see what
April 7, 2008 - 08:16 ET by LeonCool,
I fail to see what Obama has to do with the fact that Condi has accomplished very little, if anything at all during the past 8 years.
→ Well, Leon
April 7, 2008 - 08:22 ET by Cool ArrowI got my jab in didn't I?
Just playing your game.
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Cool, Mine wasn't a
April 7, 2008 - 08:25 ET by LeonCool,
Mine wasn't a jab.
It's a legitimate question.
Point to her credentials all you want. They didn't help her to be successful over the past 8 years, so why would we think they would help be sucessful over the next 4?
The lack of any siginificant accomplishment over nearly a decade render any of her past credentials null and void.
→ So what Leon
April 7, 2008 - 08:33 ET by Cool ArrowLast week you alluded to a 31yr old woman who claims the Government was responsible for her getting pregnant at 17. What the heck else can she tell her daughters to keep them from doing the same?
Then you tried to prove Florida had an abstinance only education policy by linking to a blog.
My question then, as now is, If blogs are gospel, why do you argue in a blog?
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In addition to the
April 7, 2008 - 04:08 ET by marvlIn addition to the credentials already mentioned, how about these:
Give me a minute and I'm sure I could come up with a few dozen more. And sorry for the direct comparisons with Democratic presidential candidates, I could think of no one else suitable for a comparison.
"She's not ugly as sin
April 7, 2008 - 07:51 ET by Leon"She's not ugly as sin "
Um, are we looking at the same person?
Cheap shot Leon.
April 7, 2008 - 08:00 ET by Ruths husband BenBeauty is in the eye of the beholder. And I think that Condi is a strikingly beautiful woman. She's not your cookie cutter movie star look, for sure, but how many of them are really beautiful? How man of them became beautiful through the surgeon's skill?
“There’s nobody on my staff who would still be working for me if they
made a comment like that about anybody of any ethnic group.” -Obama (talking about Imus)
"Oh, rrrreaaaalllllyyyyy!!!!!!! -RhB
RHB, Strikingly
April 7, 2008 - 08:10 ET by LeonRHB,
Strikingly beautiful?
Excuse me for a second, I vomited in my mouth a bit.
Furthermore, why was my response to marvl's comment a cheap shot yet his original backhanded comment was not?
Try Listerine. I didn't
April 7, 2008 - 08:13 ET by Ruths husband BenTry Listerine. I didn't read marl's comment, jumped to yours from the front page. Still haven't. I will go back and read it and see.
“There’s nobody on my staff who would still be working for me if they
made a comment like that about anybody of any ethnic group.” -Obama (talking about Imus)
"Oh, rrrreaaaalllllyyyyy!!!!!!! -RhB
Ha RHB, Doesn't that
April 7, 2008 - 08:17 ET by LeonHa RHB,
Doesn't that cause cancer in lab rats or something?
I see right through your thinly veiled advice. I see what you're tyring to do to LEON :).
Yes, I was merely replying to marvl's original cheap shot with a cheap shot of like kind and quality.
Wouldn't that be a
April 7, 2008 - 08:28 ET by Ruths husband BenWouldn't that be a miserable job? (Being the tech who has to make all those lab rats gargle every morning with Listerine? ) How do you train them to do that anyway?
“There’s nobody on my staff who would still be working for me if they
made a comment like that about anybody of any ethnic group.” -Obama (talking about Imus)
"Oh, rrrreaaaalllllyyyyy!!!!!!! -RhB
HAHA RHB, That's
April 7, 2008 - 08:32 ET by LeonHAHA RHB,
That's hilarious!
I'll bet that line works great for single guys out at the bar.
"What do you do?"
"Oh I manually administer Listerene to Rats"
That's a home run line if I've ever seen one.
But it apparently works
April 7, 2008 - 08:38 ET by Ruths husband BenBut it apparently works great for the lab rats, they seem to get "lucky" a lot (considering there are so many of them).
“There’s nobody on my staff who would still be working for me if they
made a comment like that about anybody of any ethnic group.” -Obama (talking about Imus)
"Oh, rrrreaaaalllllyyyyy!!!!!!! -RhB
→ Lab Rats
April 7, 2008 - 08:41 ET by Cool ArrowIt's better than being the tech who has to teach the rats to engage in unnatural acts.
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Okay, mission accomplished.
April 7, 2008 - 08:24 ET by Ruths husband BenOkay, mission accomplished. I read marl's comments and can understand how it would upset someone who loves Hillary. Although I wouldn't say that Hillary was strikingly beautiful....er excuse me while I go rinse my mouth out with Listerine....okay, I'm back....I still don't like attacks against a person's looks which really don't have any basis on their ability to govern. (But I would support a Constitutional amendment prohibiting the POTUS from wearing pantsuits (for women), or leisuresuits (for men).)
“There’s nobody on my staff who would still be working for me if they
made a comment like that about anybody of any ethnic group.” -Obama (talking about Imus)
"Oh, rrrreaaaalllllyyyyy!!!!!!! -RhB
RHB, Just for the record,
April 7, 2008 - 08:27 ET by LeonRHB,
Just for the record, I'm extremely anti-Hillary.
The comment was offensive to me not b/c of the target, but b/c anytime the left takes a cheap shot like that, there is a resounding WHINE around here.
Yet, many of the posters here make these kinds of comments on the regular. You can dish it out but ya can't take it back. Bad way to be.
I agree, there is plenty of
April 7, 2008 - 08:34 ET by Ruths husband BenI agree, there is plenty of real ugly things to say about the Clinton's without insulting their looks.
“There’s nobody on my staff who would still be working for me if they
made a comment like that about anybody of any ethnic group.” -Obama (talking about Imus)
"Oh, rrrreaaaalllllyyyyy!!!!!!! -RhB
→ RHB
April 7, 2008 - 08:39 ET by Cool ArrowObama was referring to "white folks" on his staff.
Rev. Wright is another matter entirely.
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Noted and
April 7, 2008 - 08:43 ET by Ruths husband BenNoted and amended.
“There’s nobody (who's white) on my staff who would still be working for me if they
made a comment like that about anybody of any ethnic group.” -Obama (talking about Imus)
"Oh, rrrreaaaalllllyyyyy!!!!!!! -RhB
→ Thanks, RHB
April 7, 2008 - 08:53 ET by Cool ArrowIt's important that we understand what he really means rather than think he's lying.
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LOL! Condi Get Leon A-N-G-R-Y
April 7, 2008 - 19:10 ET by Free StinkerAnother good thing about Condi . . .
She pisses off Leon.
Pledge to not support RINOs ever again!
Well Free, that's because
April 7, 2008 - 19:17 ET by BlazerWell Free, that's because she represent's two pillar's of victim status to him, African American and a woman, but her being a strong, intelligent, independant Republican, who happen's to be a woman negates that, because she's not in the project's popping out babies, cashing welfare check's and voting Democrat.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
If McCain puts her on the
April 7, 2008 - 19:18 ET by Free StinkerIf McCain puts her on the ticket I would actually vote for him, just to get her in so when he has to be impeached for his infamous temper (no, I'm not kidding) she will be ready to take the helm.
Pledge to not support RINOs ever again!
I dont' think you'll have
April 7, 2008 - 19:27 ET by BlazerI dont' think you'll have to worry about McCain's temper Free. Unless the GOP takes both houses back, McCain's not likely to have anyone to fight with, since he usually saves his rage for fellow Republican's .
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
Condi? Are You Insane?
April 6, 2008 - 22:39 ET by zeestephenGeraldine Ferraro: "If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position."
If Condi was white, she would have never been NSC Director or Secretary of State.
Her national security distinctions are zero - unless spending eight years trying to convince Israel to commit suicide is a distinction.
Her Conservative credentials are zero.
"Her national security
April 6, 2008 - 23:00 ET by RESTLESS 1"Her national security distinctions are zero - unless spending eight
years trying to convince Israel to commit suicide is a distinction."
Not sure what you mean here. She supported Israeli airstrikes against Hezbollah. Was even against calls for a cease-fire. See reply below to Bigtimer for the link and quote.
If there is something I'm not aware of, please dial me in.
Restless
April 7, 2008 - 00:29 ET by zeestephenRestless says: "She supported Israeli airstrikes against Hezbollah. Was even against calls for a cease-fire."
For Republicans, those aren't distinctions, those are autonomic reflexes, like breathing.
Within the last month Condi vigorously supported the Annapolis Conference, where the Saudi delegation, with Condi's consent, refused to walk through the same door the Israelis walked through.
Within the last month Condi has called Abbas a moderate.
Within the last month, as Gaza rockets rain down on Israel, Condi has urged Europe and the US Senate to rain tax dollars on Palestine.
No.
April 7, 2008 - 01:10 ET by usinkoreaI don't know about her Israel policy or others, but unlike up until a year ago or so, I would be against her being a VP candidate -- primarily for her work in the State Department in relation to North Korea.
What the other commenter said about bowing down to the Saudis is similar to what she has continued at the State Department in relation to Kim Jong Il's kingdom. When she moved over to State, I had high hopes the "cross your fingers and hope for the best" mentality tippified by recent North Korea policy would die a deserved death --- instead --- she has implemented the Bush administration's flipflop on North Korea policy back to the failed direction of President Clinton --- and the flipflop came at the very moment economic and other sanctions and a refusal to cave into typical North Korean pressure were showing signs of success.
Given how horrific the North Korean regime has long been, the State Department under her guidance sticking to the failed and woeful Agreed Framework has shatter the confidence I had in her on foreign policy.
USIK
April 7, 2008 - 23:39 ET by RESTLESS 1I seems to me that the othere nations in the six nation meeting had something to do with that. I remember many people saying the it was China's, Russia's, and South Korea's problem, and we shouldn't get involved. If I remember right, and I'll admit, I may not, it was these nations that wanted to give talks a chance.
Denuclearization seems to be progressing, albeit, slowly, but progress is being made. Dim sum Il may be wating for a better deal should the dems take the WH.
"A State Department official says that seven or eight of the 11 envisioned steps to disablement have been taken.
The more serious delay—on the declaration—has renewed a debate among
policymakers and in U.S. intelligence circles about whether Kim Jong Il
has not yet made "a strategic choice" to abandon nuclear weapons in
return for economic and political benefits. Some fear that he is now
playing for time, trying to outwait a lame-duck administration for one
that might be willing to improve the terms of the deal."
I'll admit, the thing I like most about her on the ticket is the thought of all of those liberal heads exploding, but she has not shaken my confidence in her for the job as yet. More research will be done though.
Terrible Idea
April 6, 2008 - 18:50 ET by jiminjerseyNothing against Ms. Rice. She is a brilliant, capable woman who would make a great V.P.. But...
Rice would be a terrible choice for VP. Nothing good could come of it. What vote would this help him capture? Blacks? Nope! Independants? Nope! Conservatives? Nope!
The link to Bush would be guaranteed. I can see the commercials running now pushing this as a third Bush term. More of the same old, same old. This would push the Independants directly to Mr. Hope and Change. Considering the capturing the independant vote is his strategy I can't see how this is a remote possibility.
Who is advising McCain and floating these god awful ideas?
jij... I agree with all
April 6, 2008 - 19:04 ET by bigtimerjij...
I agree with all of your assessment in your post...all of it.
As I just posted in OT I will believe this when I hear it from her lips, after all the denial she has done about wanting this position, which I know coming from a politician means little, unless she is getting pressure...but I sure hope it isn't Condi myself...like you said what is the gain here?
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Unless something is
April 6, 2008 - 19:06 ET by GregEUnless something is revealed that makes me think differently about this development, I agree with you, it wouldn't be a good move. As you said, tied too close to Bush and independents would move to the I-have-done-nothing-yet-can-do-no-wrong-either candidate who's mother's race is somehow irrelevant in his...but I digress.
Also, bringing on Condi does nothing to get the race-based, so-called "black vote" (as if black people vote as a bloc and can't think for themselves, as liberals do assume to be true). Liberals - black or white or purple - will just see "Bush" when they view her.
And with a liberal minority on the Democratic ticket as President, forget bringing any votes to the Republican side by nominating a minority as VP. Doing it for that reason is naive.
This skin color crap is nonsense anyway. People want to sing the praises of Martin Luther King, yet in the next breath stand in awe of skin color and the first "viable 'black' candidate," - again, who must have been given birth by his father, or was birthed by a black woman instead of the mother we've all seen in photos...
...oh, but again I digress...
VP Choice
April 6, 2008 - 20:36 ET by Chaitealover"I can see the commercials running now pushing this as a third Bush term."
Obama is already using the "third Bush term" in regards to McCain, I believe the piece I saw this morning was from his speech in Montana yesterday.
McCain needs an economist as VP, I'd suggest Thomas Sowell but he's probably almost as old as McCain.
Is Dan Senor really pushing for her or is he just using her name as a cover for the people really under consideration? If pundits start talking about one prominent possibility, they don't give any thought to who other possibilities might be, do they? Then the nominee can give some thought to his actual short list somewhat undisturbed.
Chai
Whether you like it or not, history is on our side. We will bury you…of course we will not bury you with a shovel. Your own working class will bury you. Nikita Khrushchev
"What vote would this help
April 6, 2008 - 22:10 ET by Jerry"What vote would this help him capture?"
How about the one block he is having the most trouble capturing? The CONSERVATIVE vote.
Also, disenfranchised Obama voters if Hillary gets the nod or disenfranchised Hillary voters should Obama get the nod.
When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).
They are already doing it
April 6, 2008 - 23:54 ET by tdavisjrWhere have you been in the last month or so. They are already painting McCain as running for the 3rd Bush Term. So, that talking point will not go away Condi or no Condi.
"The link to Bush would be guaranteed."
April 7, 2008 - 04:13 ET by Del DolemonteIn the only recent poll, her job approval is almost 50%, much higher than Bush's. It's remained remarkably constant since 2005, within 5%.
She has my vote.
April 6, 2008 - 19:04 ET by ghost of Mary Jo KopechneShe has my vote.
Support Our Troops. God bless the military.
http://adoptaplatoon.org/new/index.htm
My vote, too
April 6, 2008 - 21:20 ET by CarlosSNot only my vote, I'll even donate to their campaign!
Secretary Rice would make
April 6, 2008 - 19:26 ET by spiderdanSecretary Rice would make an outstanding Vice-President.
On a somewhat dubious note, her addition to the ticket will further expose the depths of liberal prejudice and dishonesty -- traits many of us have illuminated for years. I embrace Secretary Rice in so many ways, but fully anticipate a full court press of racism, sexism, and sheer left wing lunacy to accompany that development.
Some -- myself among those -- believe a McCain/Rice ticket would be a fabulous thing, given the current political climate. I also believe we will endure poison and vitriol from the left we haven't seen -- if that's possible. I hope she gets the nod, and the left melts down like the fringe lunatics they are.
Why are so many of you trying to throw the Bush administration to the wolves? There have been policy shortcomings, but nothing of the failures we've endured ala Carter/Clinton. Sometimes, you've got to ignore the rabid dogs on the left and recognize the outstanding things accomplished during the Bush administration. Condoleeza Rice is one of those magnificent accomplishments. Just as we endured trips and stumbles during the Reagan years, we've endured trips and stumbles during the Bush years. I give President Bush credit for being strong where others would have collapsed in a sobbing heap.
The left doesn't influence my thinking. Nor should those idiots influence yours.
Spidey
April 6, 2008 - 21:55 ET by RESTLESS 1Well put, and I agree. So what if she is tied to the Bush administration? Why should we be ashamed of that? Too many are posting here and sounding like the whiny Repubs of the past that have been skewered here for capitulating to the dems.
If Condi were to be the veep pick, she would become much more prominent on the national stage, and during debates with the dem veep candidate, would make herself known to the ignorant masses. If they could hear her speak, it would be "Obama who?".
Could also set her up for a Presidential run. Now, THAT would be fun.
I can just imagine all of
April 6, 2008 - 22:15 ET by JerryI can just imagine all of the disgraceful caricatures of Ms. Rice that will be drawn by our open minded, tolerant, liberal, racists in hiding, editorial cartoonists.
When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).
If only her middle name was
April 6, 2008 - 19:21 ET by balboaIf only her middle name was "Ahmadinejad."
That got me to smile and think
April 6, 2008 - 20:02 ET by FastEdwho would go crazy if it were a color?? or Wilde?
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V
I think this would be a
April 6, 2008 - 19:24 ET by BlazerI think this would be a bad move on behalf of McCain's campaign, despite the fact that Condi is not the most charismatic individual going, unfortunately she's too connected to Bush and this late in the game this will go over as identity politic's as far as the left's concerned.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
Mark Penn zilched
April 6, 2008 - 19:25 ET by bigtimerSince this is a political OT (I hope) I just saw this and thought I would throw it in here...Mark Penn is finally gone from Hill's campaign...I wonder just how much is true about this reason today for letting him go with the Columbia free trade agreement...or a some of the other previous stuff...this is one guy who should write a book someday...it would be so interesting.
btw...anybody want to bet this Free trade deal with Hill was when she was for it, before she was against it type thing...
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
bt, that depends on which audience Hillary was in front of.
April 6, 2008 - 19:37 ET by R D HelmAnd like you, I think this is just being used as an excuse to get rid of the guy.
After all, the Hidebeast wasn't supposed to have to get out there and "hoof it" for the nomination in the first place.
Theme for Election '08: I want my mommy!
Glad you brought this up
April 6, 2008 - 20:49 ET by doug1950I saw it too and first thought I had was he will be the scapegoat for when she loses the nomination. It will be all his fault, bad advise,etc. The Clintons never take any responsibilty for any failures (Waco, Somolia). I think they can finally see the handwriting on the wall and need to have a convenient excuse and someone to blame. I agree with someone's view on Penn writing a book though. Can you imagine what kind of blue snit tirades he has seen over the past year or so. I hear Hillary can cuss like a Longshoreman.
Yep doug... The Clintoon
April 6, 2008 - 20:59 ET by bigtimerYep doug...
The Clintoon machine has been blaming Penn publicly via television since the word cocaine was used about Obama...the book would be a best-seller, there has to be years and years worth of stuff he could write, he has been affiliated with them for quite awhile...lol.
It would be priceless....in more ways than one...he'd better be watching his own step and follow that shadow closely...
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
A strong VP,
April 6, 2008 - 19:37 ET by WhoIsJohnGaltSuch as Condi is about the only way I can see myself voting for McCain. He could do more damage to the country and the conservative movement in four years than Hill or Obama could. If we focus on Congress in '08, we can stunt the ill-effects of McCain's anti-conservative shenanigans. Back to Condi...I think she has got a well-deserved good reputation, she's steady, she's got good judgement...and NO ONE can claim that SHE'S an idiot. I like her.
WIJG... I don't dislike
April 6, 2008 - 19:48 ET by bigtimerWIJG...
I don't dislike her one bit, I have seen posters here over time want her for Prez....my problem is what would she bring for uuuumph to the conservatives here who do not like McCain, I can't think of anything special that would make me cross the line and vote for him....
Just my two cents and your opinion of what I may be missing here with her...another thought here, why in the world would she suddenly have the want to be VP when she has steadfastly said she has NO desire for this position?
I have to wonder if this isn't a trial balloon being put out here...
I know one thing I will never forget, the disgraceful, despicable regard the msm treated her with, cartoons and all.
I don't know how she feels about a lot of issues, including abortion, illegal immigration, judges ect...
Just throwing my thoughts your way to learn something here if you know the answers.
thanks....
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
The point is well taken
April 6, 2008 - 20:10 ET by FastEdespecially with her stating that she doesn't want the post - BUT, the woman/race card would be moot, unless the left would comment negatively(?).
The issues is another point - what are her positions?
But, not voting, for anyone? Can't think of this country getting better with anyone running with a (D), and getting elected. True, John ain't the best choice, and one has to beleve that this year, the phrase, "Least objectionable" is more true then ever before.
Let's wait for the choice to be made, before we spout - we's gots time to do that yet.
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V
Evenin' Fast... I have
April 6, 2008 - 20:24 ET by bigtimerEvenin' Fast...
I have never said I wasn't voting...I am going to vote. Who I vote for will depend...I have said and did forget to today, that it depends on who McCain picks as VP...so far she doesn't do it for me....just stating my opinion here, plus if memory serves me she studied under Not-so Bright's dad for international relations or some such...
I still don't know what she has accomplished exactly in foreign affairs, not, I repeat, not saying she hasn't accomplished anything, I just don't know what it is...plus like I said I do not know one bit where she stands on issues here within the US...I do know one thing, that woman put Boxer to shame during one of the 9-11 hearings I think it was and I loved her for it...she was magnificent! Which I posted here somewhere at the time too...lol.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Bt
April 6, 2008 - 22:57 ET by RESTLESS 1Here's some info on Rice. Make of it what you will. I see good points and some iffy ones. A few quotes:
"With the outbreak
of hostilities between Israel and Hezbollah in July 2006, however, Rice
has revealed the persistence of the neoconservative mentality within
the administration. Echoing Richard Perle's
view that the Israeli strikes are "an entirely appropriate response to
the existential struggle in which Israel is now engaged" (New York Times,
July 22, 2006), Rice rejected calls for an early ceasefire, arguing
that it "would be a false promise if it simply returns us to the status
quo." As for the destruction wrought by the Israeli strikes, Rice
commented that these were the "birth pangs of a new Middle East" (cited
in "Rice's Fantasy Ride," TomPaine.com, July 24, 2006)."
And:
"Despite her
association with the neoconservative agenda during Bush's first term,
one would be hard-pressed to define Rice as a neoconservative. Still,
her background reveals at least one similarity to that political
faction-she moved from the left to the right. Regarding her decision to
leave the Democratic Party for the Republicans, Rice said: "I found a
party that sees me as an individual, not as part of a group . In
America, with education and hard work, it really does not matter where
you come from-it matters where you are going." And since joining the
administration, Rice's rhetoric has often taken on a distinctly
neocon-ish flavor, such as her February 2003 remark: "Power matters.
But there can be no absence of moral content in American foreign
policy, and furthermore, the American people wouldn't accept such an
absence. Europeans giggle at this and say we're naive and so on, but
we're not Europeans, we're Americans-and we have different principles"
("Rice in Her Own Words," BBC, November 17, 2004)."
I love the lines in bold. :)
Restless... I just caught
April 6, 2008 - 23:02 ET by bigtimerRestless...
I just caught this in the nick of time...thanks, this is saved and I will getting more into it later...
I have got to get for the night and most of day tomorrow, so I am so glad I got this from you...
Later...
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Good night BT.
April 6, 2008 - 23:11 ET by RESTLESS 1Good night BT.
Incredibly great
April 6, 2008 - 23:38 ET by Gary P JacksonIncredibly great quotes.
There's more to her than that, but by God, if one was to wake up from a coma, and read this, they would conclude Condi was the only statesman in the bunch. (Hillary, Barry, and McCain)
She'd also be the only one actually speaking to America's greatness! And the European's weakness. It's damned depressing to hear absolutely no one talking about how great this country is. To hear Clinton, McCain, or the Messiah speak, one would think we were in the throws of the Great Depression, instead of a slowdown in the economy. A real sorry lot of people we have to chose from.
Is it too late to storm RNC headquarters and insist on a Romney/Rice ticket?
I'm sure there are more.
April 6, 2008 - 23:45 ET by RESTLESS 1I'm sure there are more. Just did a quick search and found that site. She can definitely hold her own when it comes to oratory skills. Obama may not like her on the repub. ticket for that reason.
I would like to hear her views on domestic affairs, but on first blush, I like getting her out there.
BT: I don't dislike her
April 7, 2008 - 03:21 ET by tracheostomyBT: I don't dislike her one bit, I have seen posters here over time want her for Prez. . .
:raising both arms:
"Guilty!"
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
She has said she's not interested
April 6, 2008 - 20:10 ET by FastEdBUT if she were to take the post, I'm wondering how the msm(Lsm) would react? Besides driving them crazy, it would also drive the left nuts, and over the edge. We then have to listen to their drivel and racist comments. That sound you hear is their heads exploding!
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V
As a right wing, bigoted,
April 6, 2008 - 20:03 ET by 10thAmendmentAs a right wing, bigoted, sexist, regular white guy - I think it's a great idea. Although I would really have the ticket reversed.
Run Condi Run.
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.
Condi for President and
April 6, 2008 - 20:36 ET by NewsbusterbrownCondi for President and McCain for Veep? I agree that would be much more preferable than the other way around.
“There are no easy answers' but there are simple answers. We must have the courage to do what we know is morally right.” - Ronald Reagan (1964 Republican Convention)
I agree completely! We
April 6, 2008 - 22:23 ET by JerryI agree completely! We can only hope, although McCain is pretty old. Just saying..
When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).
It would be the kiss of
April 6, 2008 - 20:35 ET by ckc1227It would be the kiss of death. One, it would be seen for what it is: a lame attempt at attracting the black vote. It's not going to happen. Obama is getting that demographic by 95% or more. Accept it and move on. Two, putting someone from the current administration on his ticket in any capacity would be just about the dumbest thing he could do, short of putting another democrat on his ticket. Even I know that, and I'm a supporter of the current administration for the most part.
"another democrat on his ticket"
April 6, 2008 - 20:43 ET by ChaitealoverAnd that would include Liberman. Even though the Dems rejected him and he won as an Independent, he's still a Democrat. Exactly what a Republican president doesn't need breaking ties in the Senate [presuming we get enough Repubs in there to cause a tie vote on anything]
Chai
Whether you like it or not, history is on our side. We will bury you…of course we will not bury you with a shovel. Your own working class will bury you. Nikita Khrushchev (1894–1971)
ckc... The black and
April 6, 2008 - 20:44 ET by bigtimerckc...
The black and women vote.
It isn't going to work...sometimes I don't understand people behind the politico scene...I personally wished the likes of Rove and Gingrich would just go away...they keep sticking us with the moderates, we lost in the last election and ones before that...Toomey for example, with their way of thinking...
I give up...maybe there will be a major change someday....but this isn't it.
Just my rant.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
A number of posts have
April 6, 2008 - 21:20 ET by Tom1969caA number of posts have suggested that nominating Dr. Rice for the Vice Presidency would be "going after the black vote" or "going after the female vote".
Why do we automatically assume that is the motivation? Could the motivation in any way be Dr. Rice's qualifications? Could it instead actually be because she'd be good in the job?
~~~
I admire FDR for not insisting on getting the approval of France and Germany before going to war.
--Anne Coulter
Tom...it very well could
April 6, 2008 - 21:24 ET by bigtimerTom...it very well could be.
I just want to know more about her and her postions here within, and what has she accomplised exactly foreign wise...
I am not being smart here, I am serious.
I posed these questions in other posts here since this thread appeared.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Condi?
April 6, 2008 - 20:45 ET by angryafricanMaybe she didn't get the memo? Or just didn't think it was worth reading.
(Sorry - always wanted to use that line!)
Angrican
April 6, 2008 - 20:48 ET by MrShyHuh?
* * * SOCKS THE CAT '08 * * *
For REAL Change
MrS...thanks..I was
April 6, 2008 - 20:51 ET by bigtimerMrS...thanks..I was wondering the same.... HUH?
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Hey BT
April 6, 2008 - 21:14 ET by MrShyWe await..... :p
Btw, the more I think about it, the more I like Condi for VP. Maybe this is the time this country needs to do some bloodletting (medaphorically, of course) and conservatives counter with a black nominee. It's probably the only way -- fist to fist -- to expose liberals for the ugly hypocrites they are in matters of race. Because it WILL, unfortunately (but again, probably a good growing-pains exercise), be ugly if there is indeed a black on the GOP ticket as well -- and the ugliness will be instigated almost exclusively from the left.
Also, blazer is absolutely right that we are all succumbing to this "don't-associate-with-Bush" crap, and if anything, we should be shoving back and proudly associating with him.
But the real reason -- she's incredibly bright and qualified.
I say.... put her on and bring it on.
* * * SOCKS THE CAT '08 * * *
For REAL Change
MrS... Oh I agree with
April 6, 2008 - 21:20 ET by bigtimerMrS...
Oh I agree with the don't associate with Bush crap too, for me it is infuriating...especially when McCain uses it...
In the meantime back at the ranch nobody minds the money he brings in for their campaigns...
Ahhh..good old politics...pure blood sport.
I'm just gonna' sit back and watch the show...it looks like it's gonna' be rather enjoyable.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
I believe that's a reference
April 6, 2008 - 21:11 ET by balboaI believe that's a reference to the memo on possible terrorist attacks that Condi saw but didn't give credence to?
Do what Anal African????????
April 6, 2008 - 20:55 ET by R D HelmLOL-I have always wanted to use that term.
Theme for Election '08: I want my mommy!
Before George Allen was cut
April 6, 2008 - 21:23 ET by USA4freedomBefore George Allen was cut off at the knees by the W. P. I wanted to see Allen and Condi.
But I do not see an advantage to her now. With on very large exception! If Hillary gets the nod, then every black person will feel screwed and will be looking to get even, and will see that with Condi.
But.. with Mc Lame, he seems to relish the idea of sticking his finger in the eyes of the conservatives. So he will probably will pick some one like himself,.. a RINO. If so, he better get every middle of the road Republican and Democrat because he will not get the base. They are already P/O’
I think that the only chance of getting the needed base with their money (the RNC is scratching their empty heads and wondering why the money is “not’ pouring in) is to put a true conservative in the VP.
Now if I could only remember what one looked like, oh that’s it, small government, small taxes, personal responsibility, drilling our own oil, more personal freedoms, build the dam fence, punish companies that hire illegal immigrants, 2ndamendment, protect the unborn, etc.
Ronald Reagan, 1962: I did not leave the Democratic party, the party left me.
Insert: your name, 2008, and the Republican party.
Romney / Jendil 2012 (if,we survive)
USA... Hear!
April 6, 2008 - 21:30 ET by bigtimerUSA...
Hear! Hear!
...and Supreme court judges...along with other judicial appts.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Condi Rice
April 6, 2008 - 21:35 ET by iveseenitallDr. Rice is an outstanding person. Unfortunately, as can be seen in this election cycle, the most outstanding, best qualified people go nowhere in the game as it is now played. We don't even debate the issues anymore. Politcally speaking, for all the reasons stated above, Dr. Rice would be a poor choice. Sadly,to have her run would do nothing to help McCain win, IMHO.
NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"
I like Condi Rice. She's
April 6, 2008 - 21:43 ET by Gary P JacksonI like Condi Rice. She's already a few heartbeats away from the President as it is. But I'm not sure she is the right one now.
First of all. The liberals will just up their hatefulness. And you can bet they will all call her an Aunt Jemima, and say it was just a stunt to try and "steal" the black vote. And lets face it, there are black folks who are democrat(ics). But they are democrat(ics) first, and black second.
I honestly think Condi would make a better President that all three of these losers combined, but frankly, my first choice for VP would have to be Mitt Romney. He fits the job. He could be President if something happened to McCain, and he has serious financial chops, that hopefully McCain would use. But I again, I think libs would just say McCain was pandering to the blacks with Condi., even though she is a solid VP choice. I find that sad.
Gary
April 6, 2008 - 22:01 ET by RESTLESS 1Who cares what the libs say. They ain't voting for repubs anyway. We, as conservatives, got a lousy deal this round, but at least we can have some fun with it. The meltdown on the left would be hilarious. Can you imagine the talking heads on the alphabet nets falling all over themselves to show how "black" Condi ain't, without trying to stereotype. I'm chuckling just thinking about it.
Oh, I hear ya. I'm just
April 6, 2008 - 23:27 ET by Gary P JacksonOh, I hear ya. I'm just saying, it will be nasty!
This election cycle
April 6, 2008 - 21:53 ET by doug1950The election cycle will give all of us a sense of what grocery shopping in Russia was during the Cold War. Have to stand in line all day for something to eat, only to go home with a watery old chicken neck. That is why they always bought a bottle of Vodka too. To get faced to forget about the chicken neck. The field of candidates is pathetic. Where is that Vodka?
Condi
April 6, 2008 - 21:49 ET by Gordon SchumwayLovely idea, but Condi is not a conservative. Then again, neither is GWB. We were fooled once. Never again!
Gordo
Melmac
A great woman, but ...
April 6, 2008 - 21:53 ET by Dave PierreI'm very concerned about her position on abortion. The Republican ticket needs to be 100%, rock-solid pro-life.
Abortion Position of Condoleezza Rice – US Secretary of State
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Frankenlies.com: The truth about the lies of Al Franken ...
Dave P... Thanks...I just
April 6, 2008 - 21:59 ET by bigtimerDave P...
Thanks...I just learned a lot with this link on an issue I care very much about regarding Condi.
They are asking about the McCain/Rice ticket right now on Fox here....going to be interesting...in so many ways.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Dp
April 7, 2008 - 00:26 ET by RESTLESS 1From your link:
"What I do think is that we should not have the federal government in a
position where it is forcing its views on one side or the other. So,
for instance, I've tended to agree with those who do not favor federal
funding for abortion, because I believe that those who hold a strong
moral view on the other side should not be forced to fund it.”
Sounds like she isn't averse to the idea of overturning Roe V. Wade. Put it back into the states' hands.
Also, I like the fact she says that I should not fund abortions if I am against them. Maybe not pro-life enough for some, but she is farther along than you made it seem in your post.
I think you have it right.
April 7, 2008 - 04:02 ET by Gary P JacksonI think you have it right. I also think Condi's stance is close to mine. Roe is bad law. It's a state's rights issue.
I don't like it when the courts make up new law as they go.
Her stance on abortion sounds very reasonable and thought out. Shouldn't be an issue.
keep our heads
April 6, 2008 - 21:55 ET by seanrobinsNow, let's try and keep our wits about us, people.
Am I wrong, or hasn't Condi pretty much been heavily coopted by the beaurocracy since she's been in State? Shouldn't we be thinking about this problem in her overall context?
Let's not move too quickly, and let our heads get stuck up in the clouds.
Please.
sean robins
www.seanrobins.com
Sean, I agree.
April 6, 2008 - 22:05 ET by R D HelmWhen Dr. Rice moved over to Foggy Bottom, a place that needs cleaning out like no other, she rolled before she had even found her office.
I like the lady, personally, but I seriously question her resolve at times.
Theme for Election '08: I want my mommy!
Condi!!
April 6, 2008 - 21:55 ET by sherlock1Condi... damn straight!
I want to hear the echoes of moonbat heads exploding across the land!
And she stuck by GWB when he was unpopular for doing the right thing, unlike the saintly Colon-Pal.
Condi would be a good
April 6, 2008 - 21:56 ET by Clear thinkerCondi would be a good choice...
For those of you that think Condi brings nothing to the table as far as bringing in votes, I have a much different view.
I'm convinced that enough Dems will vote for McCain helping him win it all. I also think their numbers will outweigh those like myself that refuse to vote for him. This leaves McCain free to try and please the conservatives in the GOP by choosing Condi.
"Abstain from McCain"
She is perfect
April 6, 2008 - 22:02 ET by bbbossCondi is the bigoted left wing's worst nightmare...a brilliant, self made, black woman who is a Republican. Their bigotry will surface and the whole country will see why when you google Cindy Sheehan and David Duke on the same line, you come up with dozens of hits. The lefties have bawled for decades that the GOP was the party of the bigots....now we have a chance to see their worth.
And Condi would make a great VP even if she is attached to Bush....I think the press like to make a big deal of that, but in reality most of the GOP voters haven't a problem with this. I am getting a shaky Chris Matthews leg just thinking about Condi as the VP.
bbb ROFL! You'd better
April 6, 2008 - 22:06 ET by bigtimerbbb
ROFL!
You'd better keep that leg in control there...look what happened to Matthews...he ain't been the same since...and that is saying a lot...lol..
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
McCain should pick Fred, win the White House, then resign.
April 6, 2008 - 22:15 ET by R D HelmWorks for me. :-)
Theme for Election '08: I want my mommy!
Pick George Allen. McCain
April 6, 2008 - 22:16 ET by NL207Pick George Allen.
McCain doesn't need to resign. Watch they man closely. He has had some very tough times in his life and he is 72 this year. No President has ever taken office at that age, not even Ronald Reagan.
I second the George Allen
April 6, 2008 - 22:29 ET by USA4freedomI second the George Allen choice, Mitt would be my second choice.
They can all it the macaca straight talk express..
Ronald Reagan, 1962: I did not leave the Democratic party, the party left me.
Insert: your name, 2008, and the Republican party.
Romney / Jendil 2012 (if,we survive)
Hey RD...careful what you
April 6, 2008 - 22:18 ET by bigtimerHey RD...careful what you wish for ...I heard Fred's name being floated again today for VP...before I ever heard any of this about Condi...
...then we have Bob Barr running for Prez, or at least putting out an exploratory committee for the Libetarian party....
On and on it goes...
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
bt, yep, and ol' Bob Barr just might get my vote, too.
April 6, 2008 - 22:23 ET by R D HelmParticularly if things continue as they are, and epecially if McCain makes another hideous speech pandering to the America-haters like he did last week.
Still fuming over that insanity.
Theme for Election '08: I want my mommy!
Barr wouldn't get my
April 6, 2008 - 22:35 ET by bigtimerBarr wouldn't get my vote...too long to go into but I watched him with Bruce Fine regarding the Patriot act for just one example before congress, he is with the ACLU now, his views on the war are different than mine to if memory serves me...I have a link but too lazy to find it at the moment, just google him and his exploratory committee...you should get plenty.
I like a lot about Barr, just like I did about Paul, but not ever enough to vote for either one for Pres...he was excellent on the msm and one of thirteen on the impeachment committee, you couldn't find a better guy...I agree witht he way he voted in congress most of the time...but when it comes to protection of this country...he loses me.
Oh well...like I say I'm just gonna' sit back and enjoy the oncoming show...comment now and then....lol.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Dr Rice would be a bad
April 6, 2008 - 22:19 ET by WiggyDr Rice would be a bad choice for Veep. No matter how extensive her foreign policy experience, she is too connected to the President. A lot of conservatives have lost faith in this President, and McCain is a RINO who is not trusted by many conservatives.
McCain needs a solid conservative who is not connected to Bush if he wants to bring conservatives to vote for him. I don't see McCain selecting Dr Rice. I think the whole thing is a ruse.
You go girl!
April 6, 2008 - 22:25 ET by planetrepublicanWhat a breath of fresh air this is! She has extensive experience and will give McCain a boost. She has my vote!
But...... Condi was in
April 6, 2008 - 22:41 ET by MidAmericaBut...... Condi was in Birmingham when MLK was leading the marches against segregation. The firehoses and dogs and all that. One of the girls killed in the church bombing was a classmate of Dr. Rice. Obama, as we all know, was raised by white folks in Hawaii. If Condi was running for v.p. wouldn't it be awkward for barry to be leading the discussion on 'race'?
It dosn't matter who he picks, I'll never vote for McCain
April 6, 2008 - 22:41 ET by Britcom---
Communist vs. Statist '08
Q. Is Panamanian born John McCain a "Natural Born Citizen"
Britcom, correct me if I'm
April 7, 2008 - 04:12 ET by marvlBritcom, correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't you born in a Panamanian mental hospital to a deranged Eskimo gypsy? If true, you can't vote in any case, so your objection is moot.
No problem, I live in Fla., even the dead can vote here.
April 7, 2008 - 05:06 ET by Britcom---
Communist vs. Statist '08
Q. Is Panamanian born John McCain a "Natural Born Citizen"
VP Rice
April 6, 2008 - 23:28 ET by ProudAmerican33The liberals, especially the media, are falling over themselves over the fact the election is a "historical opportunity," African-American or female candidate, well here's the chace for the same opportunity and a much better choice (and covers both).
As far as I know, Rice
April 7, 2008 - 00:26 ET by TEAs far as I know, Rice is an advocate of racial discrimination/racial preferences/racial quotas/racial profiling (aka so-called "affirmative action"), and she's an abortion enthusiast. I don't know that she has ever thought a thing about the judiciary, but given the above two facts, she is not and will never be an advocate of the rule of law/judicial restraint. However, given the above three facts, she sounds like someone McCain would love to have as his vice president. She probably thinks that the McCain-Feingold Political Speech Suppression Act was a great thing for the country.
Provide links or quotes
April 7, 2008 - 02:36 ET by spiderdanPretty strong accusations, backed only by "as far as I know".
Did she allegedly make these statements as a matter of her personal principle, or were these statements a matter of larger context (you wish to distort so you can make a political point)?
Calling someone an "abortion enthusiast" -- when they are not -- is inflammatory and libelous. For your sake, let's hope your penchant for theatrics is temporary.
Let me guess -- you're a "conservative" concerned about the future of the Republican Party, but a leading Republican icon (Dr./Secretary Rice) is not zealous enough to rate consideration, in spite of impeccable credentials to the contrary, or to suit your bonafide anxiety about the core competence of candidates.
I suspect a Koz contributor playing on the freeway here.
I respect and admire
April 7, 2008 - 06:03 ET by mostlymoderateI respect and admire Condoleezza; however, I am not sure she would be a good choice because the media has already given her such a bad image (unfairly). The campaign would be on the defensive from day one.
I know I am going to get flamed for saying this but I am going to say it anyway: McCain would be wise to find a Latino that could run along his side. Think about it...the black voters have already stated in exit polls that they are predominantly voting for Obama because he is black. Period. Well, what is the largest minority population in this country besides blacks? Latinos. Plus, most latinos are already pro-life because most latinos are Catholic. McCain could pick up some serious swing voters by choosing a latino. Afterall, the only reason Obama is where HE is today is because of his race. Let's PLAY THAT SAME GAME :-)
Just what we need
April 7, 2008 - 06:32 ET by garyd99Another non conservative with no executive experience.
VP
April 7, 2008 - 06:49 ET by AgnosticIf Romney or Thompson was the candidate then I would have loved to see Secretary Rice as the VP and I would have supporter her for Pres but McCain needs someone with more fiscal ability to fill out his ticket. Again, Dr. Walter Williams comes to mind but not likely to happen either. Besides, in Senator McCain we are have one person who is wanting to negotiate and reach across the aisle - with Secretary Rice he would only be serving that need by implanting a professional compromiser.
A CS Lewis quote from Dr Williams' website - "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience."
It's a great fantasy, but...
April 7, 2008 - 06:55 ET by sarcasmoThere's NO WAY a RINO like McCain's going to pick Prof. Williams -- not a snowflake's chance in Hell. Joe Lieberman has far better odds of getting the nod, IMO. Williams is WAAAAAAY too fiscally conservative and intellectually consistent for McCain to want him a heartbeat away from the job.
JMR
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.
No waaaaay
April 7, 2008 - 07:04 ET by AgnosticI absolutely agree with you on Dr. Williams but it is good to dream some times. The only way this country will ever get a good fiscal leader is via the VP route because personal responsibility does not sell newspapers and does not create good rhetoric. I've been assuming it is going to be Senator Lieberman since Senator McCain made his big comeback in the primaries. I think those two would represent a good middle ground between the extremes of the right and left but they are no where near the middle ground for the population as a whole.
It may be good to dream...
April 7, 2008 - 07:47 ET by sarcasmoBut I've been hit often-enough around these parts with "Ron Paul can't win" back when he did have a chance that I deserve to dash a few hopes every once in a while. Williams on the ticket as VP, sadly, was a particularly-easy hope to dash.
JMR
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.
Sarc,
April 7, 2008 - 08:51 ET by AgnosticI never commented on Congressman Ron Paul and in hind sight I don't see him as electable but in fairness I didn't see any non-Democrat as electable in today's media climate. There seems to be very strong emotions created by both his supporters and his detractors but from what I can tell I don't disagree with him more than I do any of the three still in the race. I do believe in the war effort and refuse to play Monday-morning-quarterback and complain about the way it has been run so it would have been hard for me to get behind him anyway. That being said, it is a good example of how much control the media still has that he got so little coverage. Especially when you consider the media usually touts their perceived underdog in every other story.
Coincidentally...
April 7, 2008 - 09:01 ET by sarcasmoOthers are also taking the media to task today, as I did at the time, for their noncoverage. I loved the Reason headline "Dr. No Coverage."
I totally agree that you're not one of the offenders, but since Prof. Williams, not Dr. Paul, was who I wanted in the first place, and since I don't ever get what I want in politics, I felt the urge to quash all hopes that I'd even be a heartbeat away from them. I think this blatant media noncoverage & bias (see both the firing of Tucker Carlson & Fox News in their debate-fiasco) was clear proof of my thesis 'round these parts of "pervasive antilibertarian media bias." Others will differ, but I await my winning of the Florida Lotto so that a separate libertarian media bias monitoring group can someday emerge and annoy. It's needed.
JMR
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.
First of all I don't believe
April 7, 2008 - 07:31 ET by msh1973First of all I don't believe that Sec. Rice is "actively campaigning" for this position. She has said herself, in many interviews, that she has no desire to run for a public office. She says her "dream" is to be the NFL Commissioner. I am just saying that is what she talks about.
Then why'd she show up
April 7, 2008 - 07:40 ET by LeonThen why'd she show up to Grover Norquist's Americans for Tax Reform weekly Wednesday meeting recently?
Literally the first time ever a Secretary of State has attended.
OTOH, if Norquist were so influential
April 7, 2008 - 07:52 ET by sarcasmoMcCain would NOT have won the Republican nomination, and spending under Bush would have gone down-not-up. To paraphrase Freud on cigars: "Sometimes an ass-kissing breakfast in DC is just an ass-kissing breakfast in DC."
JMR
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.
yeah, you're right
April 7, 2008 - 08:11 ET by Leonyeah, you're right Sarc,
It's probably all just coincidence.
haha.
How in hades
April 7, 2008 - 08:16 ET by cvgbuckeyeHow in hades would ANYONE who even smells like they are supporters of Obama have ABSOLUTELY ANY CREDENTIALS for questioning Condi Rice's experience and qualifications for Vice president.
Comparing Condi's background to Obama's results in Obama being barely able to qualify for county dog-catcher while Condi probably has more credentials for the presidency than ANYONE who was a candidate from EITHER party in the last 2 years.
Obama would not qualify to carry Condi's breifcase but Hillary MIGHT qualify to be her assistant secretary. Anyone who claims otherwise knows NOTHING about being qualified and kids only themselves.
Good Lord, Balboa and Leon; will you guys ever wake up and smell the coffee;;;;;even with your blinders still on. That would be quite refreshing.
cvg, Wow, it's amazing
April 7, 2008 - 08:23 ET by Leoncvg,
Wow, it's amazing that with all her stellar credentials she wasn't able to accomplish anything of significance in the past 8 years.
Who cares about the credentials of a proven failure?
Only righties can look past merit and point to the past as justification for promotion. Failing upwards is one of your favorite moves.
→ So, Leon
April 7, 2008 - 08:28 ET by Cool ArrowYou want to elevate Bill Clinton's wife to President? No surprise since last election you tried to promote a gigolo whose wife's deceased husband was a Republican Senator.
♣ a seal
Cool, Not sure how many
April 7, 2008 - 08:30 ET by LeonCool,
Not sure how many times I'm going to have to repeat the fact that I am anti-Hillary.
The dead horse hates me.
→ Horse sense
April 7, 2008 - 08:36 ET by Cool ArrowSo you're supporting a racist.
It's a free country.
♣ a seal
I'm not sure who you're
April 7, 2008 - 08:54 ET by LeonI'm not sure who you're referring to.
→ Yes, you are
April 7, 2008 - 10:07 ET by Cool ArrowI'm referring to your buddy Barack (redacted) Obama.
♣ a seal
What are you babbling on
April 7, 2008 - 10:13 ET by balboaWhat are you babbling on about and why did you drag me into it?
Condi for VP? Count me in!
April 7, 2008 - 08:20 ET by CobraManCondi for VP? Count me in. She's far more qualified for the position than most VP's were. Remember Gore? What were his qualifications, being a liberal? Condi’s even more qualified for the position than McCain.
She has real experience in world affairs, in implementing and carrying out policies, and has worked with more foreign leaders and policy makers than all of the current presidential candidates combined. She’s also very smart.
Some people would link her to President Bush? Good, that’s a major plus in my calculations as I happen to think Bush is a good President and I‘m not the only one who thinks that. The only down side would be the way she would be vilified in the press and in public by her detractors. But, judging by how she’s held up to the terrible things that as been said about her in the past, I’d say she’d do a great job at proving the naysayers wrong.
Go Condi! “I believe
April 7, 2008 - 09:49 ET by SyriusGo Condi!
“I believe the title was 'Bin Laden Determined To Attack Inside the United States."
I look forward to you keeping the US safe from the evil terrorists...
Syrius
"...the dire consequences to society when people begin to believe that by
renaming someone to erase their humanity opens the door to the
devaluation of everyone's life..."-dscott
Actually he already had....
April 7, 2008 - 10:08 ET by Prester John... in 1993. As well as destroying two embassies, almost sinking a US warship, destroying two US facilities in Saudia Arabia.....
Oh wait, that happened before Bush and Condi were in positions of authority, so I guess those incidents don't count.
'93 to '01 to...
April 7, 2008 - 10:17 ET by SyriusPest,
...by my calculations from your post...'09. I'd really like to see someone who could actually read the threat in a PDB and be able to respond before it happens.
I think she's better at doing her own thing...
“at a Broadway show and shopping for shoes,”-Condi Rice
Most of you want to see those knee high boots again, don't cha?
Syrius
"...the dire consequences to society when people begin to believe that by
renaming someone to erase their humanity opens the door to the
devaluation of everyone's life..."-dscott
blame
April 7, 2008 - 10:39 ET by AgnosticI find it hard to blame either administration entirely for 9/11. The planning and training happened under President Clinton but I doubt he ever got a memo that the Islamic terrorist were going to fly planes into buildings across the north east. A case can be made about several attacks and no response and the whole 'paper tiger' quote but Pres. Clinton was being hammered at the time about sanctions and he did have the whole Monica and the rest of the women to worry about.
On the other hand I'm sure that their are dozens of memos about various groups wanting to attack America with an emphasis on 'wanting to". It would be difficult to know which ones to take as an impending attack and which ones to just keep an eye on. President Bush was still looking overseas during the time that the terrorist were already in America and trained. The memo didn't say enough to really do more than what was done.
Blame has to be spread over every administration and the American voting public that elected the people that allowed the nations defenses and intelligence communities to become so poor that we sat open for attack;, you would have to go back at least to FDR.
..."respond before it happens"?
April 7, 2008 - 10:42 ET by Prester JohnAs in striking the bad guys before they strike you?
Hmmmm, sounds like preemption to me and I thought preemption was a bad word.
→ Prester
April 7, 2008 - 10:46 ET by Cool ArrowDefensive driving is preemptive.
♣ a seal
Preemption against terrorists' plots...Yes it's a good thing!
April 7, 2008 - 11:01 ET by SyriusPresterJ,
Preemption against a imminent terrorist threat or danger such as the attack on 9/11 is what is required instead of the preemptive strike against a sovereign nation which did not threaten us, did not attack us, and did not want war with us, to disarm it of weapons of mass destruction we have since discovered it did not have. Is that what you meant?
Not only preemption but the resolute determination of finding those terrorists and bringing those terrorists to justice. Let the Iraqis deal with their own country and let us focus on the tribal areas on the Afghan/Pakistan border where Bin Laden and his ilk are residing.
Syrius
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April 7, 2008 - 23:12 ET by RESTLESS 1Chech out this report. You may learn something.
I don't think Condi would be
April 7, 2008 - 10:03 ET by redheadedtexanI don't think Condi would be a good choice. I respect her for what she has accomplished, but she is too prone to be nice to the Palestinians. She thinks if we're just nicer to them they'll stop killing Israelis and shooting missles at them. They won't. I prefer Fred. :)
damn this is annoying as
April 7, 2008 - 12:32 ET by TruthMongerdamn this is annoying as hell why the frack didn't she run for prez in the first place? she said she "had no interest" now she wants to be second in line? annoying as hell