For general discussion and debate. Possible talking point: Civil War in the leftwing blogosphere over Obama and Clinton?
Some say acrimony is rampant among liberal and progressive bloggers who debate the merits of the Democratic presidential candidates almost nonstop — the divisiveness potentially exacting a toll on the party itself..."We are seeing the major blogs splitting into pro-Obama and pro-Clinton sites. There's a noticeable trend among those who favor Obama to go to Daily Kos, and for the Clinton fans to go to [blogger] Taylor Marsh," said Ian Faerstein, editor and writer for "The Blogometer," a frequently updated gauge of the blogosphere psyche on National Journal's Hotline, a daily online political briefing.
How big of a problem is this for the eventual Democrat nominee? Will these folks unite after the Convention, or might some flee to McCain or Nader? Does this represent a similar condition throughout the leftwing electorate whereby the "losers" will feel cheated and not vote for the "winner?"
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Before the fun and games of
April 3, 2008 - 09:54 ET by HelenSBefore the fun and games of the election knock-down, drag-outs, I just want to offer a small assist to the financially challenged by way of clarifying what's going on in the market.
This is a 9-minute video explaining How the Markets Really Work and requires that tongue be planted firmly in cheek.
Enjoy :o)
"Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war" - Shakespeare
Clinton-Obama Fracture Will Heal In Days
April 3, 2008 - 17:28 ET by zeestephenBottom line, Hillary and Barack are political soulmates, and their supporters disagree only about personality, skin color, and genitalia.
The Dems will unite, 100%, behind one of them, no matter what the polls say about blue collar white guys in Pennsylvania and Michigan.
The GOP is a party of ideas and political conviction, and it has a far more dangerous problem with McCain.
Thus far, McCain supporters have made only one compelling argument to Conservatives and Evangelicals: Vote for McCain because Obama and Clinton will be even worse.
works for me
April 3, 2008 - 17:31 ET by LionKingWorks for me.
"Vote for McCain because Obama and Clinton will be even worse."
April 3, 2008 - 17:42 ET by vrwc13They are not "even worse" they are the worst.
v
"Vote for McCain because
April 3, 2008 - 17:51 ET by Clear thinker"Vote for McCain because Obama and Clinton will be even worse."
More proof that the GOP is in deep trouble. If this is the best we can do, we deserve to lose!
"Abstain from McCain"
Ct, I agree. McCain is a shameless sell-out.
April 3, 2008 - 20:00 ET by R D HelmThat so-called "national security" speech he gave last week was the tipper for me, as he has lost me beyond completely. That was the most shameless pandering to the America-haters I have ever seen a "Republican" engage in.
If he gets elected in November, there will be no Republican Party left to speak of in '12, and what little is left of it may as well go ahead and merge with the Democrat Party.
I am probably going with the libertarians this November, at least for POTUS and some local races.
I cannot vote for a man who is still willing to sell is out to the Mexican invaders, as well as probably botch the GWOT, particularly in Iraq, as I am now convinced McCain will blow it badly.
I am beginning to waver on my House and Senate members as well, as the congress has had a huge hand in putting this country in its current unfortunate position. Those incompetent boobs cannot get the oil flowing, but they have time to hold hearings on whether or not Roger Clemens did 'roids.
Screw 'em.
Better in the mid to long-term that the dems get tagged with what is coming.
Theme for Election '08: I want my mommy!
McCain Represents the Dried Up Husk of the Once Great GOP
April 4, 2008 - 02:57 ET by BritcomThe only GOP constituency that will continue to promote McCain as their man are the Whigs who still haunt the party's headquarters.
It is quite evident now that the single issue (the hundred years war) NeoCon/Big Government/Globalists have splintered the Republican Party.
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Communist vs. Statist '08
Q. Is Panamanian born John McCain a "Natural Born Citizen"
LOL
April 4, 2008 - 04:00 ET by Britcom---
Communist vs. Statist '08
Q. Is Panamanian born John McCain a "Natural Born Citizen"
Opened Kos and saw this!!!
April 3, 2008 - 10:04 ET by HermanoThe traditional media gets a lot of knocks in the blogosphere these days. But they bring much of it on themselves with their endless complicity in serving a far right-wing agenda.
Needless to say, I was very surprised, especially in light of the reports and surveys I have seen that suggest just the opposite.
H, you've missed THEIR perspective
April 3, 2008 - 10:22 ET by FastEdthe "folks" on kos are soooo far to the left, the media is to the right of THEM. It's a perspective thing.
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V
being to the left of the
April 3, 2008 - 14:07 ET by TruthMongerbeing to the left of the MSM is VERY telling
DK is even way left of Marx
in other words - the "mainstream" of America:)
Terrible
April 3, 2008 - 10:14 ET by Prester JohnA couple of days after the market goes up almost 400 points CBS Marketwatch headline for this morning:
Wall Street's Gloom Deepens
....as stocks open on decidedly lower note (it started out about 65 points lower and is now, at 10:06am, a whopping 15 points lower).
http://www.marketwatch.com/?siteid=bigcharts
Meanwhile, Fox News reports "U.S. Warplane Launches Massive Airstrike" in which one whole house is destroyed.
http://www.foxnews.com/
Sigh.
PJ
April 3, 2008 - 10:31 ET by Noel SheppardPJ,
Actually, I'm glad you brought this up. In the end, what did Tuesday's rally really mean:
If you look at the chart above, all Tuesday did was bring us near the top of the trading range we've been in since breaking through 1400 S&P in January. In fact, this is currently a lower top following a lower bottom in March.
As such, although Tuesday was a great day, until we break back above 1400, and potentially more importantly, above the five-year bull trendline that was also broken in January, we're still in a bear market. ns
Bozell on KSFO now
April 3, 2008 - 10:18 ET by Jack BauerBrent Bozell is on KSFO radio, right now...
At t he same time
April 3, 2008 - 10:23 ET by FastEdI'm heading here!
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V
Obama awareness
April 3, 2008 - 10:31 ET by LionKingAnn Coulter has a great piece on Barry O and his own racism. I really like how he tries to forget that he is half white. On the otherhand, when Barry O is questioned about being Muslim, then he likes to remind everyone that he was raised as a Christian by his white mama.
[ He may actually resent his mother being white and raising him as a Christian. That could explain much of his OWN hatred of whites and America. Here is an idea for you Barry O...go back to Africa that you love and become president of an African nation. ]
How long will it take to get
April 3, 2008 - 10:35 ET by FastEdpicked up, and read, by the msm(Lsm)? oh wait, they don't know who to read books, even bad ones, and NEVER the Good one.
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V
Ann Coulter has a great piece on Barry O, as does Kincaid...
April 3, 2008 - 11:21 ET by vrwc13"Obama’s Communist Mentor"
http://www.aim.org/a...
"...Davis "espoused freedom, radicalism, solidarity, labor unions, due process, peace, affirmative action, civil rights, Negro History week, and true Democracy to fight imperialism, colonialism, and white supremacy. He urged coalition politics."
Is "coalition politics" at work in Obama's rise to power?
Trevor Loudon, the New Zealand-based blogger who has been analyzing the political forces behind Obama and specializes in studying the impact of Marxist and leftist political organizations, notes that Frank Chapman, a CPUSA supporter, has written a letter to the party newspaper hailing the Illinois senator's victory in the Iowa caucuses.
"Obama's victory was more than a progressive move; it was a dialectical leap ushering in a qualitatively new era of struggle," Chapman wrote. "Marx once compared revolutionary struggle with the work of the mole, who sometimes burrows so far beneath the ground that he leaves no trace of his movement on the surface. This is the old revolutionary ‘mole,' not only showing his traces on the surface but also breaking through."
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Ferraro is right. Without his black background, Obama would simply be a more glib Dennis Kucinich hovering around the 1% threshold. – Cooltom (NB)
Racist, Communist, and now - Muslim...
April 3, 2008 - 11:38 ET by vrwc13...lets add this to the list:
"Obama was 'quite religious in Islam'"
http://www.worldnetd...
"Speaking to the country's Kaltim Post, Tine Hahiyary, who was principal of Obama's school while he was enrolled there, said she recalls he studied the Quran in Arabic.
"At that time, I was not Barry's teacher but he is still in my memory" claimed Tine, who is 80 years old. The Kaltim Post says Obama's teacher, named Hendri, died.
"I remember that he studied 'mengaji (recitation of the Quran)," Tine said, according to an English translation by Loatze.
Mengaji, or the act of reading the Quran with its correct Arabic punctuation, is usually taught to more religious pupils and is not known as a secular study."
...hmmm, do we realy know who B.H.O. is?
...it might depend upon what the meaning of 'is' is!
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"People only insist that a debate stop when they are afraid of what might be learned if it continues." - George Will
AIRSHIP DISASTER!
April 3, 2008 - 10:29 ET by FastEdEven then, the media wasn't a friend of the military.
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V
That was an interesting read, FastEd...
April 3, 2008 - 12:03 ET by JerThat was an interesting read, FastEd...although I didn't detect any anti-military bias. In any event, the MSM in the 1930's was largely conservative.
Jer
anti military
April 3, 2008 - 12:19 ET by AgnosticThe media wasn't largely conservative in the 1930's though it may seem so by today's stadards, or what passes for standards today. One it was the 1930's and the idea of dissention for the sake of dissention hadn't been created yet - there was still too much work to be done everyday. While I agree that the media mostly followed the reports from the military and the government you must remember that the media of that day was limited by the fact that communications from the battlefields or just overseas were not as convenient as today nor was a large portion of the nation ready to condemn America for political expediancy.
Agnostic...
April 3, 2008 - 12:32 ET by JerHow would you then describe the prevailing ideology of the major media institutions of that era, Agnostic?
Jer
Jer,
April 4, 2008 - 12:12 ET by AgnosticPerhaps you are limiting your comments to prominent print media or something because I'm not sure what you are saying here. Overall, media institutions that have been successful have been moderately liberal for a very long time, that is compared to the general population. The reason being, IMO, is that not many people really want to read, watch or listen to a series of facts. The phrase 'pushing the envelope' comes to mind when speaking of the media over the past 80 years +/-.
Being pro war or even pro government does not negate the possibility of being liberal. As many have noted the founding fathers of America were liberal thinkers for their time and they were the heart of the government and the military.
Liberalism like conservativism must be judged in relation to the times and not across generations.
Now to answer your question as to why the prevailing ideology of the major media institutions of that era seemed conservative - Probably because the owners were closer to the editor's office and they saw a nation still reeling from the great depression that did not need the steady stream of negativity that we see today but instead would be drawn to hope and Americanism.
Agnostic...I agree with and
April 4, 2008 - 14:52 ET by JerAgnostic...I agree with and applaud several of your above observations, e.g. "Being pro war or even pro government does not negate the possibility of being liberal" and "Liberalism like conservatism must be judged in relation to the times and not across generations".
But, my original statement was pretty clear, I thought. The MSM was largely conservative in the 1930's [and anti-FDR and anti-New Deal]. Of course, during that era, the "prominent print media" and, to a lesser extent, radio, largely comprised the MSM.
Jer
Jer, Media
April 6, 2008 - 06:49 ET by AgnosticMSM, imo, is generally all media generated to inform, entertain or as the case may be to sway public opinion. This would include movies, TV (not so much in 1930's), radio and print. The products of the media in the 30's were conservative but so were the times. National pride was very high and the economy was horrible. There was little excess money for the a product that didn't appeal to largely conservative population. They didn't have the luxury of creating the flops that hollywood puts out today in their anti-war/anti-Bush efforts. The people that ran hollywood though were liberal for their times. Many of the media were as well but they understood the state of the nation at that period of time and produced what Americans wanted to see/hear/read.
I do agree that the media produced an almost entirely conservative product until the 60s but reading the biographies of those people I just have never got the feeling that conservative principals were a mainstay in their private lives.
I was reading Bill
April 3, 2008 - 10:48 ET by dscottI was reading Bill O'Reilly's book, Culture Warrior, something he pointed out really struck me was his description about the Black movement within the Dem Party versus the Secular Progressives. I believe this may have some bearing on what's going on. As O'Reilly noted, Blacks while almost monolithic in their support of the Dem party because of the government handouts they get but virtually do not support anything else the Dems push like: gay rights, separation of church and state, opposition to school vouchers, abortion, drug legalization, etc. Go tell a Black person homosexuality is a "Civil Right" and see what the response is. Blacks tend to be a very religious and actually have more in common with Conservatives than the Secular Progressives represented by the Clintons. What separates religious Blacks from Conservatives is what I would call the heresy of victim theology (liberation theology) which results in the entitlement attitude.
The Secular Progressives see the Blacks as a one trick pony. Rev. Wright's racist remarks essentially clarified for the Clinton supporters that Obama and the rest of the Blacks have little in common with them and they are a liability to their agenda. What we are seeing here is the fracture line between religious Blacks and Secular Progressive libs. Blacks are yearning desperately for a leader, Obama's willingness to attend Rev Wright's church gives them the appearance of what they want in a Dem leader who is not about shutting out religion, which neither of the Clintons can give with their Secular Progressive agenda. Remember, the Clintons themselves changed their label from "Liberal" to "Progressive."
The reason why most Blacks don't vote Repub is due to our failure to engage them on the issues in which they don't support the Dems. We need to frame the argument as entitlements they support versus all the other issues they don't support, forcing them to pick between the two.
Lord Sidious / Darth Vader 2008 Long Live the Empire! Come to the Dark Side, it is your Destiny.
Drudge has a report up that
April 3, 2008 - 10:56 ET by bassndudeDrudge has a report up that cinches my vote. Jane Fonda and Jimmy Carter support Obama! That said, I will vote for McCain. If Fonda and Carter supported Mac, I would vote for Obama. I will never, ever vote for the same person as Fonda. Even if she turns Conservative, *shudder*.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
And now, today's The Shrub
April 3, 2008 - 10:57 ET by Roger the ShrubberAnd now, today's The Shrub Report®:
Come celebrate history, comrades!
1882 – Hero insurgent for justice Jesse James gets shot in the back by capitalist pig for blood money.
1917 – Vladimir Lenin gloriously returns to Russia from exile, takes over the Great Bolshevik People's Revolution.
1922 – Joe Stalin takes the strong reins of power of Mother Russia.
1982 – Evil warmonger Sgt. "Big Toe" passes away.
1996 – Commerce Secretary Ron Brown "accidently" dies in a plane crash.
1996 – Hero of the People Ted Kaczynski is caught by government agents.
And, finally, Champion of the Masses Alec Baldwin turns 50.
On the bright side,
April 3, 2008 - 11:11 ET by bassndudeOn the bright side, Rog...
1865 American Civil War: Union forces capture Richmond, Virginia, the capital of the Confederate States of America. (Damn Yankees!)
1923 2 "Black Sox" sue White Sox (unsuccessfully) for back salary.(Didn't work that time either).
1945 Nazi's begin evacuation of camp Buchenwald. (The Americans are here! Quick...everybody out!)
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
Translated:
April 3, 2008 - 12:36 ET by Roger the Shrubber1865 - Right-wing government Blueshirts massacre brave, peace-loving freedom fighters, oust them from rightful capital.
1923 - Capitalism dealt mighty blow, equality of the masses validated.
1945 - Civil Engineering work camp liberated by People's Army, Fascism dealt mortal blow.
LOL Rog...You translate
April 3, 2008 - 12:47 ET by bassndudeLOL Rog...You translate well, grasshopper...
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
As they say in Poker, when
April 3, 2008 - 11:00 ET by Dan The Man 2As they say in Poker, when it comes to the nuts the Dem Party will hold their noses and vote to keep a Repubilcan out of power. The only ones who will not are the ones who typically dont vote. So in November it will come down to the river
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
Obama is a Uniter - -
April 3, 2008 - 11:38 ET by JayTeeObama will Unite the Blacks against America, but I don't think he will be able to Unite the True Americans, of whatever Race, creed, or Color.
Mi. and Fl. will be seated, but can't vote, that will Unite those states against the Dems., and they might vote for the Republican Candidate.
A foul smell from the Boston Globe
April 3, 2008 - 11:52 ET by ChrisMillsAnyone see this op-ed article published and therefore condoned by the Boston Globe:
http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2008/04/03/so_you_want_to_be_a_mccain_democrat/?p1=Well_MostPop_Emailed1
I don't know about you, but McCain is looking much better now...
Other then here
April 3, 2008 - 11:56 ET by FastEdhow many people will read this and actually understand it?
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V
Alpha Rabbits...
April 3, 2008 - 12:04 ET by vrwc13...if we could do a remake of 'The Tortoise and the Hare' and change to two alpha hare's ( who are constantly tripping each other up) and a tortoise, we would have the current POTUS race!
v
The future has a way of arriving unannounced. - George Will
18 states are suing EPA.
April 3, 2008 - 11:59 ET by ahusser18 states are suing the EPA. The assault on reason is now in earnest. The plaintiffs are claiming the the Bush Administration is ignoring "incontestable" evidence of global warming by instituting more stringent carbon emissions on power companies generating plants. Notable quote from the article: "The EPA's failure to act in the face of these incontestable dangers is a shameful dereliction of duty," Massachusetts Attorney General Martha Coakley said. Once the legislators are on the band wagon who knows where this will lead. But I do know your freedom and your money will be at stake. Be afraid, be very afraid.
Just for Fun
April 3, 2008 - 12:01 ET by FastEdthe question: why have a six-pack?
Answer: when you can have the whole keg! (pic from jupiterimages)
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V
IIMHO; ,it is a small
April 3, 2008 - 12:15 ET by buddycIIMHO, it is a small problem. But it isn't as big of a problem as lack of conservative enthusiasm for McCain.
Idiot student pledges vote for Obama for free concert tickets.
April 3, 2008 - 12:40 ET by R D HelmWhy is it I suspect this mindless individual attended a government school.
But I bet he could name every finalist that has ever appeared on American Idol.
(h/t: Drudge)
Theme for Election '08: I want my mommy!
Vote For Sale!
April 3, 2008 - 12:50 ET by Jack BauerRD -- Isn't it illegal to sell your vote?
Has to be. And wouldn't that also class as income and be subject to income tax?
Jack--Isin't it illegal to
April 3, 2008 - 13:10 ET by bassndudeJack--Isin't it illegal to buy votes? Is that not like a bribe?
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
Jack,
April 3, 2008 - 13:18 ET by R D HelmActually, if it were a republican that had done this, the dems would be screaming taxable income, when they weren't busy accusing said republican of engaging in a vote-buying sheme, that is.
What is truly sad about this is that there are so many people now who would allow their vote to be influenced in such a way.
We are truly living in the age of the dumbmasses.
Theme for Election '08: I want my mommy!
Yes, these are the types of
April 3, 2008 - 12:52 ET by HermanoYes, these are the types of people who should be selecting our leaders! Too bad the Framers' didn't require an IQ test for voting.
Hermano,
April 3, 2008 - 13:30 ET by R D HelmLOL-I have been advocating an IQ test for voters for years.
Theme for Election '08: I want my mommy!
IQ Test
April 3, 2008 - 13:33 ET by AgnosticI would settle for a test that determined citizenship and whether the potential voter actually knew who and what was on the ballot before being allowed to vote.
Dare to dream, Ag. Dare to
April 3, 2008 - 13:35 ET by HermanoDare to dream, Ag. Dare to dream.
RD, At one time voters , were land owners,
April 3, 2008 - 14:51 ET by upcountrywaterbring back that idea!
Mensa members vote for what party?
After all they are smarter than 98% of the population.
<gaia/love>SAVVVE The Whales N' Earth; conserve N' recycle !
IranianUranium<sleep>New/Infrastructure/repair?/ROFLMAO
Ted Turner: says world has too many people
April 3, 2008 - 12:54 ET by vrwc13Ted Turner: Global warming could lead to cannibalism
Billionaire environmentalist says world has too many people
http://www.ajc.com/m...
Answer:
"God has created a world big enough for all the lives He wishes to be born.
It is only our hearts that are not big enough to want them and accept them."
--STATEMENT BY MOTHER TERESA SENT TO THE CAIRO INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCE ON POPULATION AND DEVELOPMENT ON SEPT. 9, 1994
Not the answer:
Abortion...
" I have said often, and I am sure of it, that the greatest destroyer of peace in the world today is abortion. If a mother can kill her own child, what is there to stop you and me from killing each other?" Mother Teresa
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Obama's VP
April 3, 2008 - 13:26 ET by LionKingAnyone think that John Kerry is positioning himself to be the VP?
VP
April 3, 2008 - 13:30 ET by AgnosticI though Senator McCain was positioning himself to be Senator Obama's VP.
The way Teresa was licking
April 3, 2008 - 13:49 ET by Roger the ShrubberThe way Teresa was licking Omarosa's boots yesterday, you might be on to something.
What ? Kerry ?
April 3, 2008 - 13:49 ET by JayTeeI don't see Kerry grabing his ankles for Obama.....after all, we need a Gay or Lesbian VP to round out the Democratic Minority vote.
Ron Paul Cuddles, Spoons with Putin
April 3, 2008 - 14:09 ET by TinianRon Paul: Disband NATO
I a have neighbor who fled from Soviet occupied Ukrania. She and her deceased husband love America more than most Americans. Ron Paul is a fool.
Honesty-patrol to the rescue.
April 3, 2008 - 14:14 ET by sarcasmo1. He said absolutely nothing about Putin, so you're lying. Again.
2. You chose to cut:
NATO
expansion only benefits the US military industrial complex, which
stands to profit from expanded arms sales to new NATO members. The
“modernization” of former Soviet militaries in Ukraine and Georgia will
mean tens of millions in sales to US and European military contractors.
The US taxpayer will be left holding the bill, as the US government
will subsidize most of the transactions. Providing US military
guarantees to Ukraine and Georgia can only further strain our military.
This NATO expansion may well involve the US military in conflicts as
unrelated to our national interest as the breakaway regions of South
Ossetia and Abkhazia in Georgia. The idea that American troops might be
forced to fight and die to prevent a small section of Georgia from
seceding is absurd and disturbing.
Mr. Speaker, NATO should be disbanded, not expanded.
Which is the Paul Harvey "rest of the story." Emphasis mine.
JMR
A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.
Ron Paul Cuddles, Spoons with Putin
April 3, 2008 - 14:58 ET by TinianRon Paul said:
And he said that just as President Bush was pushing NATO to endorse a missile defense.
Nope, see above.
April 3, 2008 - 15:06 ET by sarcasmoYou're still lying, again. At this point, NATO is a dinosaur of the Cold War that can only lead to more spending/borrowing, along with dangerous entanglements with other governments, with 0 added security for the USA.
JMR
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.
Ron Paul Cuddles, Spoons with Putin
April 3, 2008 - 15:39 ET by TinianRon Paul = Neville Chamberlain redux:
Neville Chamberlain:
Ron Paul:
With every post of yours Ron Paul is looking more and more like Putin's butt boy.
Just keep including that link...
April 3, 2008 - 15:45 ET by sarcasmoDon't ever bother to read it, though, that's likely to spoil the joke you're making of yourself!! And what would a guy like Michael Scheuer know, compared to you??? :) Keep it up!!!
JMR
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.
Ron Paul Cuddles, Spoons with Putin
April 3, 2008 - 16:34 ET by TinianThanks for some more anti-semitic spewage from a Paulian.
Here's a portion of an excellent review of your hero's book, Imperial Hubris:
You can try to hide your blame America first and anti-semitic beliefs, but we can see through your thin veils.
He reviewed reviewers...
April 3, 2008 - 16:45 ET by sarcasmoExcellently. :)
And you can't prove he hates Jews simply because he's a critic of Israel, either, but nice try.
Hey, speaking of the racism conservatives seem to want to studiously-ignore, do ya like the new signature? Fun fun fun for the silent ones who've loudly-claimed to be anti-racist in other, more politically-convenient contexts, I'm sure...
JMR
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.
Ron Paul Cuddles, Spoons with Putin
April 3, 2008 - 18:13 ET by TinianBabbling is the refuge of an anti-American anti-Semite caught in the act.
Translation:
April 3, 2008 - 18:21 ET by sarcasmo"Direct hit." Thanks.
JMR
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.
Ron Paul Cuddles, Spoons with Putin
April 3, 2008 - 18:45 ET by TinianCan you translate:
into something comprehensible?
Of course not -- because it's baby-talk!
Ron Paul Jesse Ventura Ticket?
April 3, 2008 - 14:16 ET by TinianFrom another bunch of loony Paulians, gambling911.com:
The perfect pairing of political nutjobs!
And once-again, you trimmed
April 3, 2008 - 14:25 ET by sarcasmoRight at the good part..."
"I wish there was an option for 'none of the above', I bet that choice would win," Ventura said of John McCain, Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton
These guys aren't "nutjobs," they're just online poker players who'd like to be left the hell alone for a change.
JMR
A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.
and, to highlight a 2006 Republican LOSING issue...
April 3, 2008 - 14:34 ET by sarcasmoWe see here that Texas Hold'em legend and long time Republican Doyle "Texas Dolly" Brunson is now supporting Obama. I expected this to happen, pity I didn't predict it publicly. This is a bad sign for small government, low regulation Republicans. I saw social conservatives fulminate and scream about election results Doyle & I predicted, and it's likely to happen again if Obama wins. The urge to be left the hell alone by an obese government trumps things like racist, nutbag preachers, it seems...
JMR
A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.
Ummm...
April 3, 2008 - 15:23 ET by jpatchAre you telling me that a government presided by Baraka Hussein Obama (D-Ill.) is going to be trim and efficient? I'm not sure I see how your post makes any sense...
We haven't seen the real consequences of Baraka's relationship with Rev. Kill-Whitey.
I've been telling people for a long time, my many black friends included, that I faced this type of racism from my black peers while I was an undergrad at Ohio State.
The type of things that Rev. Wright was saying are not new, nor are they unique to the pulpit of the Trinity Church. There are many "angry" blacks all over America listening to these same messages - and evidently there are many angry "whites" as well...its just that the "whites" are supposedly mad because the factories are closing and they can't pay their mortgages, while the blacks are living the "original sin" of our Constitution. It's a ploy to pit the "middle/lower class whites" against the evil "Corporations"; and to align the "middle/lower class minorities" against the Whites. This is all in the name of "Unity" and "Change", of course.
But what they want is unity of the "minorities" against the Whites. And what change could they be seeking? "Fundamental change," as Michelle Obama would remind us.
Huh???
April 3, 2008 - 15:36 ET by sarcasmoI never said what you have just hallucinated. Read my words, ignore the voices.
I said I could have predicted that online poker players, who want to be left the hell alone, are going to be more attracted to Obama than McCain. I am not thrilled by the probable results of an Obama Presidency any more than a McCain Presidency, but on the issue of online poker players being left the hell alone, I can see their point, and I think my post makes, ummmm, perfect sense in the context of wanting to be left the hell alone, just as Doyle's prediction on Cavuto of Republicans losing made sense in 2006. Hopefully, my bolding makes it make more sense to you....
JMR
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.
Hmmm... Seems to me that
April 3, 2008 - 16:26 ET by Clear thinkerHmmm...
Seems to me that online poker players DON'T want to be left alone. If they really wanted to be left alone they would not play poker for real money on the internet.
"Abstain from McCain"
This makes no sense.
April 3, 2008 - 16:29 ET by sarcasmoBut then, I'm not a control-worshipper. Why, exactly, can't these people do what they want? Why was longtime(!) Republican Doyle Brunson wrong when he correctly predicted 2006 would be a loser due to the spending-fueled growth of obese-government control-freakery??
JMR
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.
Doyle Brunson and about a
April 3, 2008 - 18:53 ET by general companyDoyle Brunson and about a 100,000 other folks who got air time. So?
"Always do right. This will gratify some people, and astonish the rest". Mark Twain
So
April 4, 2008 - 11:29 ET by sarcasmoDoyle and they were 100% right about the political effects of control-freakery, and 2006 wasn't a good election for the Republican party. Hey, you asked...
JMR
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.
I know I shouldnt even
April 4, 2008 - 15:01 ET by general companyI know I shouldnt even bother, but are you implying that the Repubs got beat in 06 because of online poker or Doyle? Because maybe I live in a shell, but I sure dont remember either being a topic, anywhere. But go ahead, I have know doubt that the Dems will be happy to leave you and Doyle alone. Good grief
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
As if we needed proof
April 3, 2008 - 15:00 ET by Roger the ShrubberAs if we needed proof that douchebaggery exists on both sides of the aisle.
Thought you guys would
April 3, 2008 - 15:47 ET by Roger the ShrubberThought you guys would appreciate this.
Beautiful!
April 3, 2008 - 16:48 ET by MassConservThat is awesome. Thanks for sharing that Roger.
What I wold really like to
April 3, 2008 - 16:05 ET by ConservativeRexWhat I wold really like to see is Reuters news agency completely run out of this country and never allowed to report on any of the goings on in this country.
They are right up the with al jazzera in their anti-American bias. I wouldn't allow them anywhere near the White House, ever. Shut them out. Maybe some patriotic (if they exist) lawyer would take the case of getting them decertified to report anywhere in America.
The White House could shut them out, but
April 3, 2008 - 16:10 ET by sarcasmoThere's no government certification for reporting anywhere in America. I'm just wondering at this point whether to say "Thank God" or "yet."
JMR
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.
MR. SHY, "BABY!!!!!!!" :)
April 3, 2008 - 16:52 ET by MrShy"and now for something completely different...."
Great news for all my NB friends who might have tried to leave a comment for my video last night but couldn't due to "youtube undergoing maintanance" crap...
YouTube is WORKING AGAIN !!!! :) The site is back to normal! :) Here's my video:
http://youtube.com/w...
NOTE: (evidently needed for certain "uppity" NB members, and an ex-girlfriend :p)
This was thrown together by some fan of mine (from myspace) who probably did it on her computer..... so, this is not, I repeat, NOT, a real video. It's more for the purposes of having the song on YouTube. It's basically like many classic songs that are posted that never had a video, so they just show a screenshot of the album cover... only this has a little animation thrown in. Okay? Okay :)
A real video is coming soon, and possibly a very slick live-performance, too! STAY TUNED!!!
- monsieur shy
* * * SOCKS THE CAT '08 * * *
For REAL Change
"Ted Turner: Global warming
April 3, 2008 - 23:08 ET by ckc1227"Ted Turner: Global warming could lead to cannibalism
Billionaire environmentalist says world has too many people"
Well, it's a good thing we have so many people since he also said global warming was going to turn us all into cannibals. This means we'll have plenty of food.