Open Thread

By NB Staff (Bio | Archive)
March 28, 2008 - 08:15 ET

For general discussion and debate. Possible talking point: Super Gore to the Superdelegate Rescue?

Time's Joe Klein: Let's say the elders of the Democratic Party decide, when the primaries end, that neither Obama nor Clinton is viable...What if they then approached Gore and asked him to be the nominee, for the good of the party—and suggested that he take Obama as his running mate?
LA Times: To keep the Obama zealots in the tent, Gore in turn will pick Barack Obama as his vice presidential running mate with the silent understanding that Big Al will .... bow out after one term and the then-51-year-old totally experienced Illinois guy can inherit the wind, while Al gets back to his lectures and slide shows for even larger fees as an ex-president.

Do you see this as a possibility? Would Gore be willing to undergo the scrutiny of his income taxes -- thereby disclosing to the world how much he's really made off of his global warming con! -- in order to become president? Would sticking it to the Clintons be worth such an examination of his finances? Or, is this all a liberal fantasy?

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As if Christians crucifying

March 28, 2008 - 08:32 ET by Leon

As if Christians crucifying each other last weekend wasn't deranged enough, today we get wind of the tragic story of an 11 year old girl who died for no other reason than her mother believed prayer could cure her.

It's so disturbing. Poor girl. These people should be locked up!

The mother's rationale makes my skin crawl. She genuinely doesn't believe she did anything wrong when a simple doctors visit could have saved her daughters life.

Leilani Neumann said she and her husband are not worried about the investigation because "our lives are in God's hands. We know we did not do anything criminal. We know we did the best for our daughter we knew how to do."

Complain about Muslims and their abhorrent behavior, but Christians can be just as crazy.

LINK

Whoa - back up there

March 28, 2008 - 08:43 ET by KC Mulville

You can't go from

These parents were crazy
These parents were Christian
... to ...
Christianity is crazy.

Logic rebels. Of course, only a very few believe that prayer is a substitute for basic medical care, because most Christians think that prayer is for a different purpose. Prayer isn't a medical request, and shouldn't be confused with one.

Sure this story is sad, but it says nothing about Christianity.

KC, The logic is

March 28, 2008 - 08:52 ET by Leon

KC,

The logic is fine.

How do you figure this says nothing about Christianity?

It says that Christianity has the potential provide people with a rationalization for dangerous behavior. I.E. crucifying each other or letting your children die

Furthermore, with regard to Newsbusters constant theme of the dangers of Islam, it shows that both sides are capable of twisted behavior.

If the dying child strapped

March 28, 2008 - 08:56 ET by Roger the Shrubber

If the dying child strapped a bomb to her chest and went to the nearest Wal-Mart to explode, then you might have a point.

But, alas, as usual, you are simply trolling for some hate.

Rog, So you have no

March 28, 2008 - 08:59 ET by Leon

Rog,

So you have no problem with parent's killing their own children in the name of Christianity?

Strapping a bomb to your child or letting them die b/c of your religious convictions is the same outcome for the child. Death.

Again, I can't quite figure out how posting a story from the news on and OPEN thread can ever be trolling.

The fact of the matter is both religions have nuts and both religions have the potential for dangerous behavior.

No Leon. How do you equate

March 28, 2008 - 09:08 ET by bassndude

No Leon. How do you equate the murder of others for your own self gratification? Oh, thats right. Your "The Leon".

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

Sigh. It's like I am

March 28, 2008 - 09:15 ET by Roger the Shrubber

Sigh. It's like I am talking to a small child.

Here's a definition for Trolling: Posting derogatory messages about sensitive subjects on newsgroups and chat rooms to bait users into responding.

The gig is up, Hater. Time to move on.

Rog, Nothing derogatory

March 28, 2008 - 09:28 ET by Leon

Rog,

Nothing derogatory about my post. It's a fact that some Chrisitians are crazy and that Christianity provides rationalization for their craziness.

Time to move on? Highly unlikely.

By the way Rog, your neighbors called. They want you to stop stealing their wireless. Ha.

It's tough to be condescending when you live in Pennsyltucky!

Leon is that you and your

March 28, 2008 - 09:57 ET by Dan The Man 2

Leon is that you and your lover?

Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.

Not much of a "uniter"

March 28, 2008 - 10:00 ET by Roger the Shrubber

Not much of a "uniter" today, are you? Sucks to be called out like you were, but, hey, you hide your trolling poorly.

You must still be smarting over your alma mater not being invited to play reindeer games with your fellow pseudo-intellectuals. Snubbed by Vassar? Ouch.

Rog, Called out? Not

March 28, 2008 - 10:43 ET by Leon

Rog,

Called out? Not sure where or when that happened.

I do so love your hatred of college and your jealousy of those of us who went. You could have gone. You had the same opportunities as the rest of us (well, except for that living in the middle of nowhere surrounded by racist yokels thing but you know what I mean). People from your neck of the woods are allowed to get a higher education. There isn't a tooth minimum or anything when you apply.

You shouldn't let your jealousy and resentment shine so brightly. It's unbecoming on someone that likes to moonlight as the supposed Newsbusters enforcer.

You are losing your cool

March 28, 2008 - 10:52 ET by Roger the Shrubber

You are losing your cool again, Hater. You're not going to cry, are you? Pluck out that thong from your mangina, wipe that tear from your eye, Pumpkin, and start "uniting"!

Leon had "cool"? Was that

March 28, 2008 - 10:56 ET by bassndude

Leon had "cool"? Was that like Fonzie cool? Or like kool-ade cool?

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

Oh, no!

March 29, 2008 - 07:05 ET by Roger the Shrubber

Oh, no!

Rog, Yep. There it

March 28, 2008 - 11:09 ET by Leon

Rog,

Yep. There it is. Let it out. There, there...it's going to be ok.

I knew your lack of college education and your resulting resentment for college graduates was stoking the fires of your anger. Reading your numerous posts attacking colleges and college students is really quite sad when one realizes you didn't go to college. No need for the jealousy big guy. College isn't for everyone.

You shouldn't let your shortcomings bother you so much. Look at you desperately attacking me. Ha. Priceless.

I'm not going to cry, but it looks like you already started!

So, if a poorly-constructed

March 28, 2008 - 11:31 ET by Roger the Shrubber

So, if a poorly-constructed attempt at insulting someone does not work the first time, the obvious solution is to try it again?
Desperation, thy name is Leon.

Haha Rog. I know it

March 28, 2008 - 12:04 ET by Leon

Haha Rog.

I know it hurts.

You know that they have adult night classes through which you can earn your degree right?

It's not too late.

Too late for what?

March 28, 2008 - 13:14 ET by Roger the Shrubber

Too late for what?

thong?

March 28, 2008 - 17:31 ET by MrShy

Did someone mention the word "thong"?

* * * SOCKS THE CAT '08 * * *
For REAL Change

The middle of nowhere

March 29, 2008 - 22:27 ET by echojack

Hey Leon,

Just for the record, my wife and I both grew up in your "middle of nowhere." We both went to college and did quite well in spite of that handicap. In fact I would bet a lot that your degree, I'm guessing poli-sci, falls far short of the ones we hold.

There were very few "racist yokels" in our home towns, as I'm sure there are in your's. Most people were solid citizens. Folks you could count on in a crisis. The majority of kids from that "neck of the woods" went on to college, and most graduated. And 99% were much less bigoted than you. Your post displays an amazing amount of ignorance.

And I apoligize. I should not have pointed out that most poli-sci majors score at the bottom of intelligence tests. Sorry

echo, Assumption is the

March 31, 2008 - 08:35 ET by Leon

echo,

Assumption is the mother of all f-ups right?

Poli-Sci? Nope.

Computer Science.

Fact: The middle of nowhere PA is one of the most notoriously racist areas in the country. Not sure where you're from, but if there isn't rampant racism then it doesn't sound much like Pennsyltucky.

Hey Leon

March 31, 2008 - 19:05 ET by

You got studies to back up your 'fact'? Ha!, didn't think so. Wouldn't that make it, uh let's see, oh yeah, an assumption. Which makes you?

"Stupid is as stupid does" --- Gump

Leon, a lot of

March 28, 2008 - 09:31 ET by HelenS

Leon, a lot of Christians believe that one of the gifts of the Spirit is the gift of healing (1 Cor. 12:9 - To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; ) But that does not have to mean miraculous or super-natural healing. It can, and is, as easily understood to be a skill or ability in the area of healing and medical ability. A gifted doctor, for instance. To demand that God give them a miraculous healing when he has provided them with a doctor makes as much sense as passing on a row-boat because you think God should teleport you to higher ground in a flood.

And parents who kill or allow their children to die in the name of Christianity does not say anything about Christianity but says volumes about those parents. In anyone's book, even a deluded agnostic's, that is insane.

"Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war" - Shakespeare

Logic

March 28, 2008 - 09:24 ET by KC Mulville

The syllogism I laid out is a demostrable fallacy. Let me give you another syllogism of the same form, but with more revealing elements.

Fred is ugly.
Fred is brave.
... ergo ...
All ugly people are brave.

Logic forbids drawing a universal conclusion (Christianity is crazy) based on particular instances. The fact that these two parents shared two qualities (insanity and Christianity) doesn't mean that everyone who has one quality must have the other. After all, you wouldn't argue that all insane people are Christian, would you?

These parents misused Christianity. In plain language, that's not Christianity's fault. You can misuse anything and pretend it's an excuse, but that doesn't mean that the excuse is correct. If these same parents believed that eating bananas would cure their child, would you now argue that this says anything about bananas?

KC, Your example is not

March 28, 2008 - 09:34 ET by Leon

KC,

Your example is not comparable.

I didn't argue that the mother is crazy, the mother is Christian, so all Chrsitians are crazy.

I clearly stated that this was simply an example that demonstrated that Christians CAN be just as crazy. It's right in my original post. I never claimed that story proves that ALL Christians are crazy. So your example is irrelevant.

It's almost as if you didn't read my post. This story doesn't say anything about Christianity OTHER than it CAN be used to rationalize extreme behavior.

OK

March 28, 2008 - 09:59 ET by KC Mulville

Obviously, anything can be misused to rationalize extreme behavior. That's a trivial point. You wouldn't have wasted the time on making a trivial point.

What I assumed you were suggesting (and I may be wrong about this) is that Christianity contributed to the rationalization because Christianity teaches about the power of prayer. Combined with the biblical stories about miraculous healing, I assumed that you were making the point that Christianity mis-led these parents into believing that prayer would miraculously heal their child. If so, then Christianity bears part of the blame for the child's death.

My argument is that most Christians understand that prayer is not a magic incantation, like Harry Potter, that will produce miracles on demand. The idea that prayer should instantly perform medical miracles is a wrong idea about Christianity. Therefore, Christianity bears absolutely none of the blame.

I doubt that you started out to make a merely trivial point, especially since you mentioned how disgusted you were. But I could be wrong. I'll be glad to admit I was wrong here - no harm no foul.

(PS - I have to get back to work!)

Christian Science Faith

March 28, 2008 - 10:37 ET by PawpawN

I take it that these people were of the CHRISTIAN SCIENCE faith. It is one one many faiths, just like MUSLIM, etc. They have their beliefs, but some beliefs that other religious faiths do not. So your arguement that CHRISTIANS ARE CRAZY is only correct in that, let's say 2% of such, kinda like 2% milk!

Leon

March 28, 2008 - 17:41 ET by MrShy

Furthermore, with regard to Newsbusters constant theme of the dangers
of Islam, it shows that both sides are capable of twisted behavior.

You complete dingbat.

I'M capable of twisted behavior, YOU'RE capable of twisted behavior.

A sizable percentage of people of Islamic faith are BEHAVING TWISTED as we speak -- thousands upon thousands, if not millions -- and have been for decades, before our very eyes!

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For REAL Change

Who is more deranged?

March 28, 2008 - 10:16 ET by Prester John

A "Christian" couple that believes God can cure their child or a "Christian" politician (his initials are BHO) who thinks is perfectly fine to abort an unborn child at any time for any reason and then refuse it medical care in case it survives the abortion?

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=18647

Leon will tell you...

March 28, 2008 - 11:22 ET by SouthJersey1953

...that murdering a baby is not the same as allowing a child to die. Murdering babies is okay, because it involves "the choice of the mother" but 'allowing' a child to die is not okay because it involves "the choice of the mother" Oops....never mind. I'm sorry, I can't make Leon's logic work, no matter how hard I try.

Leon, "Christians can be just as crazy"?

March 29, 2008 - 02:21 ET by Parker1227

I tend toward agnostic, but when leftist relativism raises its ugly head, I feel compelled to defend my traditional true believer friends.

A small Christian sect shunning modern medical treatment for all in the tribe, is neither representative of Christians nor equivalent in any way to the sexist, bigoted, death worshiping cult of Jihad which is at this very moment expanding its grip among hundreds of millions of Muslims around the world (thanks to the oil profits that we are giving to its promoters, thanks to "crazy" leftists who won't let us drill for our own oil).

The one thing I give Al Gore

March 28, 2008 - 08:44 ET by MassConservative

The one thing I give Al Gore credit for is that he may be smart enough to stay out of that mess. He is printing money now with his global warming schtick because he is receiving very little scrutiny and "the debate is over".

That all goes away if he jumps into the Presidential fray because McCain may be drinking the global warming koolaid but there are a lot of "flat earthers" like myself who actually look at facts (like our current cooling trend).

There would be 527's coming out like crazy putting pressure on Gore to defend his positions especially now that we are seeing the "benefits" of the Dems energy policies (higher gas prices, higher food prices, higher energy prices, etc.).

Obama '08 - He has the Wright stuff...and that is WRONG for America.

The Scary Part

March 28, 2008 - 08:48 ET by Caringwhiteguy

. . . or should I say 'one of the scary parts' of a Gore candidacy is that there will be no debate from the Republican candidate on Global Warming, it's cause (if there is warming), it's effect, and whether any 'solutions' are needed.

Here's a chance to have a full-blown debate on this nonsense and blow it out of the water in front of the whole world. Too bad John McCain sings from the same hymnal as Gore. The only difference is McCain just sings from the hymnal, he didn't write it.

It really sounds as though

March 28, 2008 - 09:21 ET by HelenS

It really sounds as though they're trying to by-pass an Algore candidacy and go straight to an Algore annointing - spare him the exhausing process of actually running and go take his substantial seat on the throne.

"Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war" - Shakespeare

Fitna

March 28, 2008 - 08:50 ET by amber

I just watched. What disturbs me most about what is happening to our world is that so many people like Leon are blinded by their hatred of Christians and can not see the real danger. I saw a photo of a woman protesting the war in Iraq. She had the symbol of Islam on her tight shirt, her waist was showing because her low rise pants did not meet the shirt and her pants were so tight it looked like it was painful.... She does not know the rights she is willing to give up, not to mention her life. She does not know that her support of this evil, satanically controlled, political group wants to enslave her and she is willing to fight with all of her might to ensure that their right to their beliefs is supported. The problem is, they do not just want to believe that in their own homes or personal lives, they want to dominate and enslave my children, they want to kill me and my husband, they want to throw the gays off of the highest building, they want to mutilate my daughters, they want to snuff out all of the light in this world. My guns are not enough to combat this. People in the free world need to wake up and say, "no more." This is not a religion of peace and it never has been.

Amber, I don't hate

March 28, 2008 - 08:54 ET by Leon

Amber,

I don't hate Christians at all. My family is Christian and I was raised Christian.

I just think that religion makes people wacky and capable of extreme behavior. Or is it normal for people to crucify each other like last weekend's bloodbaths all over southeast asia to celebrate Easter?

It would be a Christian act

March 28, 2008 - 09:01 ET by amber

It would be a Christian act if the Bible said to do so. However, it is not a Christian act because the Bible does not tell us to harm our bodies, it says our body is a temple. God does not tell us to give up all medical care either. However, the Koran DOES tell muslims to kill people who will not pay the tax for not being muslim, people who convert from Islam to any other faith, homosexuals, women who are raped, anyone who does anything to offend the law of Muhamed, it is good to mary young girls (nine years old), women are only 1/2 of a man, women are property, ... do I really need to go on? Someone who compares Christians with this group of people hates Christianity, or at least what they view Christianity to be.

What about Jehova's witnesses?

March 28, 2008 - 10:04 ET by mvfreeman

According to them the bible says you can't have a blood transfusion. They would let their loved ones die rather than give them life saving blood.

Those cases are very tough

March 28, 2008 - 10:18 ET by sarcasmo

Reading them tears your heart up if you truly believe in freedom but at the same time think to yourself, "these parents are nuts." You begin to have new sympathy for family law judges. But for Witnesses, a blood transfusion really does mean eternity in hell.
JMR

A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.

A Better Way?

March 28, 2008 - 15:02 ET by Tinian

You say:

Reading them tears your heart up if you truly believe in freedom but at
the same time think to yourself, "these parents are nuts." You begin to
have new sympathy for family law judges.

But maybe, just maybe, markets could take care of this issue without the coercion of obese government.

Agreed?

That's generally what I think...

March 28, 2008 - 15:05 ET by sarcasmo

But children are what makes this issue complex, even though there's obviously no market in them. OTOH, as we've seen, "'Protect the children' is the root passphrase to the US Constitution" (HT TC May). What do YOU think, anyway??? Might you give an actual opinion instead of spending 100% of your time dimwittedly attacking me??? I've never proposed getting rid of courts, after all...
JMR

A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.

They would have to show me

March 28, 2008 - 11:39 ET by amber

They would have to show me where it says that. I have read the Bible more than once and never saw it printed there. I do not believe their faith is Christian. They also believe only 122,000 people will go to heaven. (I think I read that somewhere) That is not Biblical either.

Assume it's not Christian/Biblical if you want.

March 28, 2008 - 11:44 ET by sarcasmo

It's their faith. It's what they get from religion and from their reading of the Bible whether or not it's what you get. They either do or don't have a right to have beliefs you and I might think are nutty. I'm on the "they do" side, even in the heart rending cases involving kids I'm reluctantly with them. This is one of those areas where being a libertarian isn't easy.

Also please note, big governments (see for example the Nazis) don't seem to like Witnesses, for some reason...As long as they can handle my jokes about them knocking on my door, I can deal with Witnesses.
JMR

A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.

Agreed, that is why I would

March 28, 2008 - 13:07 ET by amber

Agreed, that is why I would have to have them show me where they get that from the Bible. I am not saying it is not there (probably not), but I have never seen that.

They are stretching the meaning of certain verses.

March 28, 2008 - 13:11 ET by mvfreeman

http://www.watchman.org/jw/jwtransfusions2000.htm

They are stretching the meaning of certain verses.

March 28, 2008 - 13:13 ET by bassndude

And they are omitting others.

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

As is also

March 28, 2008 - 13:17 ET by sarcasmo

Their right.
JMR

A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.

As is their right.

March 28, 2008 - 13:16 ET by sarcasmo

In another, similar example, Rastafarians' sacrament itself is verbotten by our obese government. Politicians (and therefore the majority) -- much as they want-to -- do not get to say what is or isn't a "real" religion under the First Amendment. God trumps government for some of us...
JMR

A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.

Scientologists had a hell

March 28, 2008 - 13:47 ET by mvfreeman

Scientologists had a hell of a time getting their tax-exempt status.

And some countries still don't recognize Scientology as a religion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology_as_a_state-recognized_religion

Which is an excellent argument

March 28, 2008 - 13:53 ET by sarcasmo

Against the existence of an IRS.
JMR

A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.

I thought it was 144,000?

March 28, 2008 - 11:53 ET by Roger the Shrubber

I thought it was 144,000? Book of Revelations?

Not literally 144,000. The

March 28, 2008 - 12:05 ET by NL207

Not literally 144,000. The term 'twelve times 12,000' is an ancient way of saying : "metric shitload", "too many to count", or innumerable.

Pretty sure it is literal

March 28, 2008 - 12:31 ET by mvfreeman

It refers to 12,000 from each of the twelve tribes of Israel.

Sealed

March 28, 2008 - 12:38 ET by LionKing

It refers to 12,000 from each of the 12 tribes of Israel being sealed.

After that, it refers to an inumerable multitude standing before Him at the throne and crying out, "Salvation to our God..."

This is all in Revelation 7 and does not suggest that only the 144,000 were going to heaven. In fact it basically states that those before the throne will hunger no more.

If conservatives are RIGHT, then liberals must be WRONG.

*Makes mental note, adds

March 28, 2008 - 13:03 ET by Roger the Shrubber

*Makes mental note, adds 'metric shitload' into vocabulary for future usage*

Love it!

Amen to that Brother Roger,

March 28, 2008 - 14:41 ET by BD

Amen to that Brother Roger, that is going in my next staff meeting post lunch....

In pre-Fed days

March 28, 2008 - 13:05 ET by sarcasmo

That must have been their best idea of an unimaginably-large number...As a modern citizen-unit, I feel so "sophisticated."
JMR

A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.

Yah, sorry, you are

March 28, 2008 - 13:05 ET by amber

Yah, sorry, you are correct.

FYI, it is the book of Revelation, singular.

Amber

March 28, 2008 - 12:56 ET by mvfreeman

Jeremiah 10:2 KJV "Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them. 3* For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. 4* They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not."

Most christians put up a Christmas tree anyway.

http://av1611.com/kjbp/ridiculous-kjv-bible-corrections/Christmas-Trees.html

I am NOT a biblical scholar

March 29, 2008 - 08:07 ET by Indiana Joe

I am NOT a biblical scholar by any stretch. I just go to Church and listen to the readings and homily (unlike some politicians looking for cover ;^)).

But since Jeremiah is an OT book, this can't really refer specifically to Christmas trees. I have heard before that Christmas trees are a rip-off of a pagan rite, like many celebratory symbols.

And Christ preached a NEW Covenant between God and man. He more or less dispensed with the "old laws," and instituted "new laws." That's why we have an OT and a NT, of course, we just lump them together as "The Bible."

And, according to my pastor, there are only really TWO "new" laws: Love God, and love others as you love yourself. If you think about it, those two still cover all the rules laid down by the Ten Commandments. And he's about as mainstream an RC priest as you're going to find.

It is referring to any

March 29, 2008 - 10:56 ET by mvfreeman

It is referring to any pagan rituals and it just happens to be that we use adorned trees at Christmas.

Christ does tell us to keep the commandments and number 8 says no idols:

You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of
anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or
that is in the water under the earth.

That doesn't seem to apply to a giant crucifix in a catholic church. ;)

But the reason for me even posting that is to point out that people will take from the bible what they will and interpret it in inumerable ways.

mv

March 29, 2008 - 11:14 ET by

You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. is only the prelude to the actual command; context always context

"Television is where you watch people in your living room that you would not want near your house." Groucho

So, God commanded us not to

March 30, 2008 - 15:58 ET by Indiana Joe

So, God commanded us not to make images of Him? He's "camera-shy?" ;^)

It could easily be interpreted that you can't worship birds, or cattle, or gophers, or fish (air, land, water, underground), right?

But you're right, interpretation is the key to it all.

But I'm pretty sure He didn't say to kill all unbelievers (ala Allah).

Sorry, couldn't resist that one!

right gold plating etc.

March 29, 2008 - 08:36 ET by

this is making little statues of idols!! (note: the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.)

Read the linked article

March 29, 2008 - 10:29 ET by mvfreeman

But the guy condemns rock and roll too!! That damn sure ain't in the bible.

Rev Wright wasn't kidding....

March 28, 2008 - 09:04 ET by Prester John

...about being against "middleclassness".

Obama’s Former Pastor Getting $1.6M Home in Retirement

There goes . . . .

March 28, 2008 - 09:21 ET by Caringwhiteguy

There goes the neighborhood.

And now, today's

March 28, 2008 - 09:05 ET by Roger the Shrubber

And now, today's Super-Sized edition of The Shrub Report®:

A picture gallery for your perusal.

As if we needed more proof that clowns are creepy.

Yes, you ARE smarter than a Taliban.

The party of intolerant, racist, Islamophobes?

An extra-special Carl Kolchak Mugabe Zimbabwe Update. Most despots can only dream of 100,000% inflation and 80% unemployment.

Hey, she weighed the same as a duck. It's a fair cop.

When whackjobbery meets reality.

Dhimm-EU.

The Picture of the Day.

Come on, who DOESN'T get cramps and diarrhea from eating Wal-Mart meat?

How much do your congressman cost?

I was all for my pastor before I was against him.

This judge is obviously a racist hatemonger. The ACLU, as usual, is on the case.

News shocker! Iraqis do not want Obama OR Hillary…

Speaking of the Hopeful Changer... "White folks' greed runs a world in need", indeed.

Today's Religion of Peace Update.

Nothing matches the horror of Wombat Rape…

Smooth move, George. Sometimes you can be such a dumbass.

Now, don't go off doing something stupid with all that money, like getting a college education…

And finally, the Top Five Over-Hyped Heath Scares of All-Time…

Fed's new auction explained

March 28, 2008 - 09:25 ET by sarcasmo

With pictures!
JMR

A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.

You can smell Klein's desperation

March 28, 2008 - 10:01 ET by mvfreeman

I think it's starting to sink in that the dems are screwed come November. This latest attempt to draft Gore is pure fantasy.

BTW Hillary has yet to release her income tax info. And the media has yet to call her on it.

"Do not cry havoc, where you should but hunt with modest warrant" William Shakespeare

Krauthammer - McCain and a 100 years in Iraq

March 28, 2008 - 10:11 ET by KC Mulville

Charles Krauthammer has a great article, rebutting the Democrat slogan that McCain wants us in Iraq, for a hundred years. My answer: these charges just prove that the Democrats can't understand simple English. Only someone who can't understand English would misinterpret McCain's statements so badly.

They want rhetoric? Let's give 'em rhetoric!

Although I had not seen a

March 28, 2008 - 17:37 ET by Jer

Although I had not seen a full transcript of McCain's "hundred years" remarks, my assumption had been that he was referring to a South Korean-style military presence, as opposed to waging a century-long war in Iraq.

Nonetheless, it is still a rather startling statement which begs additional clarification. Does McCain honestly believe we can maintain an extended military footprint in Iraq without incurring at least occasional terrorist-style attacks resulting in some deaths and injuries. What would be an acceptable level of casualties? We also must recognize that our presence would no doubt be regarded as a continuing provocation by Islamic radicals--just as maintaining military assets in middle eastern nations was perhaps the most prominent factor triggering Al-Quaeda attacks during the past couple of decades culminating in 9/11.

Finally, it's true the Democratic candidates transformed McCain's comments into more controversial rhetoric than was warranted. But a "dirty lie"? Please....this was an example of taking liberties with a vulnerable statement by an opponent that occurs in virtually every political campaign. Republicans are masters of the art. They made Gore into a "liar" by twisting his words in several instances. They also falsely claimed he first made Willie Horton an issue in a debate with Dukakis. The assertion that Obama wants to invade Pakistan is another example where words have been contorted to create false perceptions.

McCain will have ample opportunity to correct the misstatements of his adversaries. But while doing so, he should also carefully address the serious implications of what he did say.

Jer

...as the impending Ice Age routes the Global Warming fanatics.

March 28, 2008 - 10:16 ET by needle

Al Gore’s “saving” the Democratic Party would be a particularly delicious as the impending Ice Age routes the Global Warming fanatics.

I almost look forward to him dismissing from the White House podium year-after-year plunging global temperatures as a result of human activity…no, wait! The complete absence of sun spots. But I do worry over what human intervension he would urge upon us.

Impunitas semper ad deteriora invitat.

Has anyone seen the new

March 28, 2008 - 10:33 ET by Clear thinker

Has anyone seen the new John McCain commercial?

It's a whopper. Here's the one line that made me cough... "The President America has been waiting for".

Lord help us.

"Abstain from McCain"

An Operation Chaos

March 28, 2008 - 10:46 ET by Roger the Shrubber

An Operation Chaos update.

Oh, how the Hufftards will cry "Diebold!" "Stolen Election!" "Attica!" "Chimpy McHitler!" "Rovian Scheme!"

Best argument against

March 28, 2008 - 11:19 ET by balboa

Best argument against same-sex marriage (this is hilarious):

http://youtube.com/w...

Condi to Newsbusters...

March 28, 2008 - 12:02 ET by Leon

...You're wrong about the state of the race situation in America.

To tell black people to simply move on and get over it (as has been touted nonstop around here since the Wright story broke) is a major oversimplification and, frankly, offensive.

It's never happened before, but I agree with Condi's analysis.

"Black Americans were a founding population," she said. "Africans and Europeans came here and founded this country together — Europeans by choice and Africans in chains. That's not a very pretty reality of our founding."

As a result, Miss Rice told editors and reporters at The Washington Times, "descendants of slaves did not get much of a head start, and I think you continue to see some of the effects of that."

Wise assessment Condi.

Dr. Rice

March 28, 2008 - 12:23 ET by LionKing

Dr. Rice, who did not let being poor or black keep her from succeeding also had this to say:

"What I would like understood as a black American is that black
Americans loved and had faith in this country even when this country
didn't love and have faith in them — and that's our legacy."

For you liberals, she is saying that the past is no reason to hate America or other Americans.

If conservatives are RIGHT, then liberals must be WRONG.

LK, I don't support

March 28, 2008 - 12:23 ET by Leon

LK,

I don't support Wright and his hatred of America. Neither do any liberals I've seen.

I agree with Condi on my original point and on the point you just posted.

Furthermore, your comment doesn't change what I said originally. She single-handedly smacked down the rhetoric that's been dominating the scene around here for the past week or so.

Race

March 28, 2008 - 12:28 ET by LionKing

My whole point is that race should not be an issue. The Rev Wrong (aka Wright), Sharpton, JJackson, and others drum up the race card all of the time. They keep it going so that it can be a crutch. Dr. Rice is a prime example that RACE does not need to be an issue.

Obama just played right into it with his speech giving race importance. To me, BHO has bigger problems with his association to the his spirtial advisor, Mr HatePreach.

If conservatives are RIGHT, then liberals must be WRONG.

Neither do any liberals

March 28, 2008 - 14:45 ET by BD

Neither do any liberals I've seen.

Then you have not seen the spasms of joy in the Reverends congregation as he spoke his nasty comments. This includes those who smilingly rush the stage to touch his clothing as he makes these comments.

I doubt the congregants at his church will be found on the rolls of the Illinois state Republican Party.

So, I guess I HAVE seen liberals that support his hatred.

Iraqi Bloggers Respond

March 28, 2008 - 12:21 ET by Leon

to Bush's insane comment that the escalating violence in Basra is is a 'positive moment'.

Here's a excerpt. They don't seem to like us too much in Basra:

Udpate: The American war criminal Bush whose death squad in uniform called the U.S. armed forces are still trying to subjugate Irak and who have murdered innumerable Iraki Children women and men calls the carnage a “positive moment” you can read what he has to say for himself to the UK Times newspaper here. Tahseen al-Sheikhli one of the two main spokesmen for the “surge” was unavailable for comment because he has been kidnapped.

I just find it interesting to see what Iraqis have to say about us. Obviously emotions are running high in Basra, but this type of hatred towards us isn't going to help us win.

The Basra situation is certainly not good. While I think the surge worked while it was in place, it's simply not sutainable. Are we beginning to see a descent back into chaos and violence in Iraq? I hope not, but it's starting to look that way.

Those bloggers should thank

March 28, 2008 - 13:32 ET by Dan The Man 2

Those bloggers should thank the USA for giving them the freedom to express such opinions without death squads comming down on them. Good point about how the USA gave them the opportunity Leon. Thanks for bringing it up, I did not think much of you or your patriotism before this.

Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.

Would sticking it to the

March 28, 2008 - 12:29 ET by Jack Bauer

Would sticking it to the Clintons be worth such an examination of his finances?

We haven't seen the Clinton's taxes, investments and fees from Dubai for the past 8 years yet. Have we?

Or did I miss that?

Vote 4 change. Vote 4 anything. See Jack & Mr Shy's first campaign ad for the ONLY viable 3rd party candidate.

Nope. She is saying maybe next week.

March 28, 2008 - 13:04 ET by mvfreeman

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aAn8_hOKRdZ4&refer=home

And the Clintons aren't the only ones...

March 28, 2008 - 13:09 ET by sarcasmo

With dealings in Dubai. (Note: I have indirect dealings there, too, as if that fact would somehow magically change my long-held opinions even one iota...)
JMR

A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.

I'm surprised that NB hasn't picked up this story.

March 28, 2008 - 12:30 ET by Squeezer

CNN is pushing a lady that made $70k a year, got laid off last month, blew through her savings, and now is in line at food pantries. http://news.google.c...

Well someone did a public records search in her county, turns out CNN is pushing this woman with a "fake" story.

http://thehousingbub...

Here’s a little more information about Patricia Guerrero’s financial
situation from public records (LA County Assessor and Recorder):

The 2,948 square foot house on a quarter acre lot was built in 1948.

She and her estranged husband Ray acquired the house, apparently
from HIS PARENTS Israel and Esther Guerrero, in August 2002, at which
time the debt load on the property was about $157,000.

Ray and Patricia took out a conventional fixed-rate first trust deed on the property on 8/14/2002 for $202,000.

I’ll spare you all the gory details of their various refinancings
and equity loans, but the present note from 8/21/2006 is for $649,999.

So, it looks like they bought the place for a sweetheart deal and
proceeded to jack themselves up to the tune of about $450,000 over a
period of just 4 years.

Ron Paul is Against Mandatory Vaccinations

March 28, 2008 - 12:57 ET by Tinian

Here's what the crazy Doc has to say:

The government should never have the power to
require immunizations or vaccinations.

Here's what a sane person has to say:

Vaccination refusal is an example of the free rider problem. That's because of herd immunity.
If everyone except Bridget vaccinates their kids, Bridget's kids
benefit from not ever being exposed to the diseases, but they don't
share the (small but nonzero) risk of being vaccinated.

The problem is that like all cases of free riding, too much of it
destroys the system. When a large percentage of the population refuses
to vaccinate, then herd immunity no longer functions and the diseases
return.

And that can negatively affect those who did vaccinate, too, because
vaccination doesn't always work. People who vaccinated their kids, and
thus accepted their share of the risk, might still have their kids
become sick.

If no one free rides, the failure rate isn't high enough to be a
problem. Herd immunity protects even the kids for whom vaccination
failed.

Ron Paul is just as crazy as the fringe Christians who won't take their kids to a doctor.

Do a Google image search for small pox.

I'm glad my classmates and I had to get vaccinated .

Next...

March 28, 2008 - 13:00 ET by LionKing

Next, State mandated lobotomies to squelch independent thinking.

If conservatives are RIGHT, then liberals must be WRONG.

You truly are hysterical

March 28, 2008 - 13:02 ET by sarcasmo

But maybe, just maybe, markets could take care of this issue without the coercion of obese government. I know it's hard to imagine, especially for you, but Dr. Paul has kids (who all, by the way, turned-out great, in spite of your whines about him). I suspect they were all vaccinated. Why are you so obsessed?? Paul's irrelevant for the Presidency, and you're going to be seeing "I told you so TV" on C-Span for the next 2 years at least. Hmmm. Maybe I just answered the question. :)
JMR

A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.

Since You Know So Much...

March 28, 2008 - 14:56 ET by Tinian

Where did Abbie Hoffman shop?

Huh???

March 28, 2008 - 14:59 ET by sarcasmo

Non sequitur. Again.
JMR

A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.

Do You Starch Your Shorts?

March 28, 2008 - 15:44 ET by Tinian

C'mon and lighten up -- it's a joke.

Now tell me: where did Abbie Hoffman shop?

Had a situation here in Texas...

March 28, 2008 - 13:58 ET by mvfreeman

Governor Rick Perry wanted to mandate HPV vaccinations to all girls 13 and up. The state GOP told him to stuff it.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/62417.php

There are no more vaccinations for small pox.

March 28, 2008 - 14:03 ET by mvfreeman

"Routine smallpox vaccination among the American public stopped in 1972 after the disease was eradicated in the United States. Until recently, the U.S. government provided the vaccine only to a few hundred scientists and medical professionals working with smallpox and similar viruses in a research setting."

http://www.bt.cdc.gov/agent/smallpox/vaccination/facts.asp

Shhhh! Tinian's busy bashing!!

March 28, 2008 - 14:06 ET by sarcasmo

Facts don't matter!
JMR

A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.

Because Mandatory Vaccination Worked

March 28, 2008 - 14:53 ET by Tinian

Thanks for making my point. In the case of Small Pox, mandatory vacccination worked.

The same with Polio.

I had to get a TB vaccine to attend grad school and I had no problem with it. Nothing like the outbreak of a virulent TB strain on a college campus!

What else was tried?

March 28, 2008 - 15:01 ET by sarcasmo

Or even legal??? Yes, an obese government's coercion "works." But maybe not as well as you imagine.
JMR

A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.

Came across this..

March 28, 2008 - 16:30 ET by mvfreeman

"Between Persuasion and Compulsion: Smallpox Control in Brooklyn and New York, 1894-1902 James Colgrove Abstract Two major outbreaks of smallpox occurred in Brooklyn and New York around the turn of the twentieth century. Health officials moved aggressively to contain the disease, conducting mass vaccinations from house to house and in workplaces. Although these programs were ostensibly voluntary, the manner in which they were conducted was often coercive, giving many people the impression they had no choice but to submit. Officials portrayed their programs as voluntary because they lacked a clear legal basis for their actions and because they believed this was the most effective strategy for gaining public cooperation. This essay examines the events that surrounded a series of legal cases challenging the use of coercive measures to enforce vaccination during and after the smallpox epidemic of 1894, and the repercussions that this litigation had on disease-control efforts and popular attitudes toward vaccination and other measures. The cases described here were part of an extensive body of nineteenth-century jurisprudence on vaccination that was crucial for the evolution of public health police powers in general, and of vaccination policy in particular....

Unfortunately the rest of the paper is for subscribers only. Sounds interesting.

And can't find hard numbers on smallpox incidence in the U.S. when immunization became mandatory. Don't think it was very high.

"Variola had already stopped infecting people in more than 8 out of 10 countries throughout the world when WHO launched a worldwide vaccination campaign against smallpox in 1967.(25) At that time, only 131,000 cases were reported.(26) Yet, authorities credit their global initiative with eliminating the disease. Some medical historians question the validity of this claim. Scarlet fever and the plague also infected millions of people. Vaccines were never developed for these diseases yet they disappeared as well.(27)

http://thinktwice.com/smallpox.htm

Nobody said vaccination is a bad idea.

March 28, 2008 - 15:43 ET by mvfreeman

But some people feel it is a personal medical decision.

That's what shot down the governors mandated HPV vaccination here in Texas.

According to the CDC you aren't likely to have an outbreak of TB anywhere in the U.S.

"BCG is a vaccine for TB. This vaccine is not widely used in the United States, but it is often given to infants and small children in other countries where TB is common. BCG vaccine does not always protect people from getting TB"

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd-vac/tb/default.htm

I have been in close proximity to several people with TB (for short periods of time) and have never contracted the disease.

But Some People Feel it's a "Personal" Medical Decision

March 28, 2008 - 19:48 ET by Tinian

But some people feel it is a personal medical decision

Like someone with a dying kid might feel it's a personal medical decision to send some other parent to the hospital for not vaccinating her/his brat?

I don't approve of mandatory vaccinations against STDs. You're mixing apples and oranges, however, comparing HPVvaccination with vaccinations against Smallpox, Polio, TB, etc. From your arguments it's hard not to conclude you're a free rider choosing to dodge personal responsibility and take advantage of herd immunity.

And we all know that government owns our bodies

March 28, 2008 - 21:12 ET by sarcasmo

And has the right to make all those medical decisions for us, right? One size fits all! Yay!!
JMR

A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.

Thank you Hillary

March 28, 2008 - 21:18 ET by Blonde

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

Tinian,what does the disease have to do with it?

March 28, 2008 - 23:05 ET by mvfreeman

There is no dodge in responsibility in refusing a vaccination. There is simply a higher risk of contracting a particular disease. The only way someone else is going to the hospital is because they either didn't get vaccinated or the vaccine didn't give them immunity, or their immune system isn't up to the task. How is that anyone's fault? Life ain't fair and is full of risks. No vaccine is 100% effective.

There is no mixing of apples and oranges. They are all communicable diseases that can be fatal. Why would the method of transmission matter? Again it comes down to what is a personally acceptable risk.

"Governor Perry, a Republican and conservative Christian who stands
against abortion and embryonic stem-cell research, disagrees that the
vaccine will encourage promiscuity any more than the Hepatitis B
vaccine encourages people to take drugs, and he challenged the critics
by asking them if they would oppose a cure for lung cancer on the
grounds that it might encourage people to take up smoking. He said the
goal was the same as the polio vaccination campaign, to save lives."

"There are over 100 types of HPV (human papillomavirus), of which around
one third are sexually transmitted and shown to cause about 70 per cent
of cervical cancer cases. The Centers for Disease Control (CDC) say
that the HPV vaccine has no serious side effects, as proven by a
clinical trial on 11,000 women aged between 9 and 26."

It prevents a disease which, unlike smallpox, is still very prevalent and will send people to the hospital.

But you're against it.

So you too are making a choice.

Why can't others do the same?

Because, as I said above...

March 28, 2008 - 23:12 ET by sarcasmo

Facts literally don't matter if they get in the way of bashing Republican congressman Ron Paul for this troll, to be blunt about it.
JMR

A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.

I don't think polio had a high incidence rate

March 28, 2008 - 22:57 ET by mvfreeman

"At the height of the polio epidemic in 1952, nearly 60,000 cases with
more than 3,000 deaths were reported in the United States alone"

http://www.kidshealt...

At the time the population had to be at least a 100 million. More people died in car crashes.

Free rider problem

March 28, 2008 - 23:37 ET by KC Mulville

Game theory lives! I love it! Keep it going!

Good news: another Marine is

March 28, 2008 - 13:21 ET by Roger the Shrubber

Good news: another Marine is cleared of charges.

I guess that the Haditha

March 28, 2008 - 13:44 ET by Dan The Man 2

I guess that the Haditha incident was just another case of manufactured controversy by the anti American forces in the world. Murtha should be hanged without trial for smearing the good name of these brave marines.

Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.

Excellent new Roger...in

March 28, 2008 - 13:53 ET by bigtimer

Excellent new Roger...in fact priceless.

Where is the reporting of this from the msm who loved the Haditha story as long as it made our military look bad, to use for their dirty filthy agenda...where is the apology from the likes of Murtha....Kerry...all the leftists, especially the msm.

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill

They've moved on to new accusations

March 28, 2008 - 14:22 ET by Prester John

Former Terror Detainee Recalls Captivity

(CBS) A German resident held by the U.S. for almost five years tells 60 Minutes correspondent Scott Pelley that Americans tortured him in many ways - including hanging him from the ceiling for five days early in his captivity when he was in Kandahar, Afghanistan.

Even after determining he was not a terrorist, Murat Kurnaz says the torture continued. Kurnaz tells his story for the first time on American television this Sunday, March 30, at 7 p.m. ET/PT.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/03/28/60minutes/main3976928.shtml

Standy by for the Queen Bee, Harry, and the rest of the Defeatocrats to call for investingations.

Just how did this guy

March 28, 2008 - 14:40 ET by Dan The Man 2

Just how did this guy “wound up in Pakistani police custody” in the first place? I guess he will from now on be wary of traveling in places where Islam is violent. He was probably raised in an atmosphere where he could say and do anything and the police were compliant. He learned different. There seems to be no evidence to back up his claims.

Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.

You know a lot.. any idea

March 28, 2008 - 14:04 ET by Jack Bauer

You know a lot.. any idea what SCREW YOU MURTHA is in Latin...

Vote 4 change. Vote 4 anything. See Jack & Mr Shy's first campaign ad for the ONLY viable 3rd party candidate.

What in the heck is going

March 28, 2008 - 13:38 ET by ConservativeRex

What in the heck is going on between Debbie Schlussel and Sean Hannity? Miss Schlussel is a conservative pundit and is accusing Hannity of plagiarizing her and several others work. She commented that he routinely steals her's and others work.

We can't have Conservatives at each other's throats now. Does anyone know what the heck is going on here? There were a few other things she said, but I just can't believe they are true.

Read what she says about it for yourself

March 28, 2008 - 13:49 ET by sarcasmo

On her blog. I'm sure we won't see any political double-standards on NewsBusters regarding close association with racists. Nope, not possible here... ;)
JMR

A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.

WOW!

March 28, 2008 - 14:40 ET by mvfreeman

Not that I really give a rat's ass, but that is rich.

I'm just sick of all political pundits. I don't need info regurgitated and spoon fed to me. And too many of them turn the political process into an "us versus them" scenario. No wonder the country is so polarized. "Moderate" is almost a dirty word.

?

March 28, 2008 - 14:46 ET by general company

Debbie Schlussel never heard of her myself, pretty bad stuff about Hannity though. Not a big fan of his, but never though him to be a bigiot. Has anyone ever heard him say anything that would be considered racist by normal folks standards? I also noticed that Hannity ended the "friendship" in 2000, also noticed that all of the inflamitory comments this creap made that she posted were after 2000, could this be why Hannity quit the "friendship"? She also claims this Turner fellow is a murderer, is he in jail? He is definitetly a scumbag.

"Always do right. This will gratify some people, and astonish the rest". Mark Twain

She's a semi-well-known right wing pundit.

March 28, 2008 - 14:53 ET by sarcasmo

"Has anyone ever heard him say anything that would be considered racist by normal folks standards?"

The exact same question you ask here could be asked about a number of folks accused of racism due to others' words, only sometimes apparently the answer would not matter...Hence my implicit double-standards mockery above, if that's the reason for the "?," because I want to be clear on this subject if I possibly can.
JMR

A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.

Geez, what do you tell people?

March 28, 2008 - 15:02 ET by mvfreeman

"Yeah he's a racist bigot but he's a really nice guy."

Makes me wonder if he was pandering to a certain group.

Of course you can't confer guilt by association. Maybe the were hunting buddies? Golf partners? I didn't read the whole article.

Not logically, maybe...

March 28, 2008 - 15:10 ET by sarcasmo

But believe me, you CAN confer guilt by association. We've seen it right here, hence my mockery. In fact, to rob a bit from Noel, I'm finding this one "delicious." ;^}
JMR

A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.

Certainly why I mentioned

March 28, 2008 - 15:03 ET by general company

Certainly why I mentioned "normal folks standards". You just never know these days.

"Always do right. This will gratify some people, and astonish the rest". Mark Twain

Oh, I agree 100%.

March 28, 2008 - 15:07 ET by sarcasmo

Count me as "mocking for a single standard" on this issue.
JMR

A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.

Yes, if there's plagiarism

March 28, 2008 - 16:09 ET by balboa

Yes, if there's plagiarism going on, Schlussel should definitely keep her trap shut for the good of allll conservative pundits everywhere... :-\

Not to mention a certain other alleged "ism"

March 28, 2008 - 21:14 ET by sarcasmo

ie "the delicious part." ;) Good one, Bal.
JMR

A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.

A paleoconservative from America's history

March 28, 2008 - 14:38 ET by sarcasmo

Speaks.
JMR

A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.

Go Davidson!

March 28, 2008 - 19:35 ET by candance

After upsetting Georgetown last week, Davidson is putting a whuppin' on Wisconsin.

GO CATS!!!

March 28, 2008 - 19:59 ET by LionKing

Unbelievable!!!

[ Inconceivable !!! ]

If conservatives are RIGHT, then liberals must be WRONG.

Hook em

March 28, 2008 - 20:10 ET by

Horns

DAVIDSON WINS !!!

March 28, 2008 - 20:22 ET by LionKing

Again. WOW!!!

GO CATS!!!

If conservatives are RIGHT, then liberals must be WRONG.

LOL Bot

March 28, 2008 - 20:23 ET by candance

I knew Stanford never had a prayer, especially after that scare they came out of the last time.

Davidson wins it

March 28, 2008 - 20:22 ET by candance

Davidson has been playing this well all year and went into the tournament low ranked. If they play Kansas, they might lose. If they play Nova, they'll probably win.

candance

March 28, 2008 - 20:27 ET by

nova has a chance to win tonight? (horns up 19)

candance & botg

March 28, 2008 - 20:35 ET by MrShy

Too many NCAA teams wear red. I don't like red, for many reasons.

Go ALL NON-RED TEAMS !!!! (this would, of course, include UNC, candance...)

* * * SOCKS THE CAT '08 * * *
For REAL Change

Hey Shy, The Falcons wear red!

March 28, 2008 - 20:39 ET by R D Helm

Oh, nevermind.

LOL.

Theme for Election '08: I want my mommy!

Mr Shy

March 28, 2008 - 20:40 ET by

well i can't argue with that can i?

LOL Shy

March 28, 2008 - 20:45 ET by candance

Davidson has red jerseys! And listen at Curry being interviewed...such class!

Wisconsin underestimated them and didn't bother showing up for the game. That'll be a quiet flight back to Madison.

EVER THINK B. H. OBAMA MAYE HAVE...

March 28, 2008 - 20:53 ET by reelman46

Maybe Obama KNEW his pastor-mentor was an angry radical hater years ago so he purposefully attended very few services in recent years…so IF is ever became an issue… he could have “plausible deny-ability’. Maybe his wife clued him in and supported scant attendance because there is no way they could have been faithful attendees at least 2x a month and not heard multiple ranting “sermons”.
The problem here is the libmedia has not dug deep (on purpose) to plot the attendance-sermon graph so to speak. It is very tough in a group-think ultraliberal church crowd that will protect “their own”.
Its time to know what percent of Sunday services the Obamas attended, say, the past 5 or 10 years. What is the media waiting for now?
Hint: For the issue to go away. The whole truth is the real enemy here… for democrats (socialists).

Doug Schexnayder, Ph.D. (theconservativecrawfish)

Weird, I don't have Barack

March 28, 2008 - 20:58 ET by MrShy

Weird, I don't have Barack Obama or Reverend Wright in my bracket......?

* * * SOCKS THE CAT '08 * * *
For REAL Change

Speaking of brackets....

March 28, 2008 - 21:04 ET by Blonde

I suspect the Rev. Wrong succumbed to that ultimate TAX bracket....when he purchased a 1.3 million dollar home.

Middleclassism.

Hmmm.

Not only is the man a racist creep, he's a hypocrite.

LOL, Barak. Quite the spiritual guide. Now we know.

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

Wright's spirit was willing,

March 28, 2008 - 21:08 ET by Jack Bauer

Wright's spirit was willing, but his flesh was weak.

Vote 4 change. Vote 4 anything. See Jack & Mr Shy's first campaign ad for the ONLY viable 3rd party candidate.

»→ Jack

March 28, 2008 - 21:14 ET by Cool Arrow

Let's not forget. Barack financially supported an organization he knew to be racist. $27,500 last year alone.

♣ a seal

Sorry, Jackson

March 28, 2008 - 21:16 ET by Blonde

You've got that Bassackwards (apologies to bassndude....and the Shrubber, too, for calling you Jackson).

His flesh was willing...it was his spirit that's weak. Middleclassedness, doncha know?

BTW....for all of you guys, I am watching the Barret-Jackson auto auction live from Palm Beach (had I known, I'd have had tickets and would have been there this evening). Oh, the autos! The original t-birds, it's killing me.

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

LOL blonde. And he is

March 28, 2008 - 21:28 ET by Jack Bauer

LOL blonde.

And he is very fleshy from what I can see on the videos.

Vote 4 change. Vote 4 anything. See Jack & Mr Shy's first campaign ad for the ONLY viable 3rd party candidate.

Well....

March 28, 2008 - 21:31 ET by Blonde

It's all those mai-tais on the Carribean beaches.

Which reminds me, it's warm...must turn on the a.c. Back in a few.

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

Is the Barrett-Jackson

March 29, 2008 - 01:04 ET by Gary P Jackson

Is the Barrett-Jackson awesome, or what!.

I can't believe all of the really low mileage 1939/1940 Fords, built up flatheads and all. How Craig and Steve manage to get so many great cars to be consigned is just incredible.

Did you catch the '57 Chevy convertible, that was built using the reproduction body? It was built with input from GIs, and was sold to benefit the Armed Forces Foundation. Really cool color.

http://www.barrett-j...

uh...okay...

March 28, 2008 - 21:24 ET by candance

I don't know what this has to do with Wisconsin losing their game, but all right.

Well, at least that's one

March 28, 2008 - 20:53 ET by MrShy

Well, at least that's one red team is down :)

I'll give Davidson a pass, as they are indeed a great cinderalla story. And how old is that Curry kid? Did he jump a few grades in H.S.? He's 15, right? and weighs, what, 110 lbs?

* * * SOCKS THE CAT '08 * * *
For REAL Change

Great day to be in South Texas

March 28, 2008 - 23:57 ET by RESTLESS 1

Horns win big and the Spurs became the first in the west to 50 games. Also moved to second in the west, but we will catch New Orleans before the end of the season. Yee Haw!!!!