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For general discussion and debate. Possible talking point: Tibet.

Does the violence there concern you? Should this impact our most-favored nation trading status with China? How does this change the upcoming Olympics? Do you think America should consider boycotting the games, or is this not serious enough yet for such a measure?

Are you paying much attention to events there? Do you feel media are covering this enough and fairly? Or, has this been lost in all the election focus?

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China should never have been awarded the torch in the 1st place

But they were....

We should not boycott them. It really accomplishes nothing except to dash the hopes and dreams of some of our young athletes.

Too much money

There is too much money involved in the Olympics.  There is so much investment in China that no one will do anything to rock China's financial boat in case they decide to take state ownership of things again and knock a few heads at the same time.  However since there is so much money involved China wouldn't do anything to upset the boat either.

Everyone will just hope that by August it will have blown over and we can just pretend that everything is hunky dory. 

There was more outrage in Atlanta when they bussed the homeless out of town for two weeks for the Olympics than there seems to be with killing a few hundred people in Tibet.

Since government is coercion, politics is largely the exercise of deception regarding the intended use of coercion - George Orwell

The U.S. is hated all over

The U.S. is hated all over the world for freeing two countries from tyranny and oppression (three if you include Kuwait)...

...but at the same time China, which occupies Tibet, threatens Taiwan, and expands its power and influence all over the world seemingly gets a pass?

Irony is so ironic.

From today's Cleveland

From today's Cleveland "Plain Deceiver" a mixed bag column:

http://www.cleveland...

And my email to Mr. Morris:

"Good morning Mr. Morris.

I'm an occasional reader of your column as I try to keep an informed mind on current events. I feel taking in the opinions of others is a great way to broaden my perspective whether I agree with the opinions or not. I do have a question about your column.

Can you please explain to me exactly what are "the nefarious ways of white folks"? Considering the context of the column, I can fathom that the nefarious ways of SOME white folks would be along the lines of being an ignorant, hate mongering racist. To lump ALL "white folks" as having these racist nefarious ways would be like saying that ALL African American preachers sermonize anti-American rhetoric. While I have never attended the services conducted by an African American preacher I simply refuse to think that ALL would espouse these beliefs.

I suppose that it could be said that these were the thoughts of "Beatrice" but, her name is not on the column.

Thank you for your time,"

 

We'll see what comes back.

 

"All generalizations are false, including this one.” Mark Twain

Hillary Hillary Hillary

This is Hillarious.

By the way the Clintons dump thousands of documents only to find out that Hillary was in the WH while Bill was being, er serviced?

If you ain't the lead dog, the scenery never changes.-Lewis Grizzard

Maybe the decision to boycott

Should be made by individual athletes, instead of their nations' politicians. I wonder if China would allow athletes to wear something like a plain black armband, for example. The level of attempted speech control by China would strongly influence my decision to go, if I were an Olympic athlete considering it.
JMR

PS My well-cloaked (but finally noticed, except the drugwar-racism part!) editors' pick response.


A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.

Gratuitous Catholic-bashing on The Daily Show

From The Daily Show on Comedy Central, comic fake reporter Jason Jones filed a report on Monday's St. Patrick's Day parade, joking that Eliot Spitzer has a friend in the kiddie-abusing church:

“Here, the Catholic Church is showing their support for the governor. This is an organization that knows a little something about sex scandals. [Waving at Cardinal Egan from a distance] All due respect!”

Not like it isn't true.

Not like it isn't true.

It's true

Oh, it's true, alright. Just as a thousand other things are true. Problem is that the MSM has made a fortune poking fun at the imperfections of mankind. And they've done it in a disrespectful manner.  Today's young people don't know the difference between satire and hatred. Most of today's "comedy" is meant to hurt someone and give "laughs" to the few at the expense of the many. It's divisive and meant to be so. Sad. Too bad so many people are too blind to see what's happening.

NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"

mockery of any faith does

mockery of any faith does suck

Truthie, does that include mockery of the church of Satan?

Theme for Election '08: I want my mommy!

 

yepJesus don't mock:)

yep

Jesus don't mock:)

nor AA Michael... 

http://bible.cc/jude/1-9.htm

pharisees

Jesus mocked the pharisees with truth. They were very angry but what could they say?

m1xram

m1xram,

Thank you.

Seriously.

Theme for Election '08: I want my mommy!

Yeah, it's allll the

Yeah, it's allll the MSM...

I think it's good for comedy to poke fun at shortcomings.

you have no boundaries on

you have no boundaries on fun poking?

retards? disabled vets? burn victims...?

Sure there are boundaries.

Sure there are boundaries. I didn't say there weren't. But religion ain't one of them.

why not religion:)?

why not religion:)?

Because I think it's fair to

Because I think it's fair to poke fun at groups that claim to have the answers, that say "You should live this way," that claim final moral authority, especially when members of that group don't practice what they preach, pun intended.

so something like "hey,

so something like "hey, disabled Christian veteran, why dontcha get healed by Jesus and stand up and walk, ya damn stumpy hypocrite!"

might that be OK with you?

or does that violate a boundary for you?

perhaps you'd like to clarify

No thanks. No point. 

No thanks. No point. 

Balboa insists that even he

Balboa insists that even he has "boundaries" - though, apparently, no one has crossed them as of yet. Perhaps, one day, manned interstellar space flight will allow someone at Comedy Central to fly the distance necessary to do so...

I'll take this one, Bal

Because God has a sense of humor, unlike some of God's creations, especially the ones that are often targets of said humor.
JMR

A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.

"Because God has a sense of

"Because God has a sense of humor..."

Wow, He told you this? When? Where? Are you sure?

Some of these jokers just better hope he does. Me, since I'm not as certain as you and Bal, I prefer to err on the side of caution.

He didn't have to...

God's creations make it obvious practically every day, often by not getting the jokes...
JMR

A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.

I respectfully disagree,

I respectfully disagree, Tim. I don't see it as "Catholic bashing".  It's a true statement. I think we should be equally ashamed of the Catholic church's sex scandal and the embarrassment of a duly elected governor of a major U.S. state cheating on his wife and family with a prostitute. I doubt that most Catholics would find this little zinger patently offensive.

 

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No Army, No Air Force, No Tibet

I dont' know a lot about Tibet, but I do know they don't have an Air Force, they didn't have a Military . . . .

Lesson for Pacifists . . . IT DOES NOT WORK ....! !!

Pacifist - - opposed to war or to violence of any kind - - Loses Country to Assholes   

no air force

Not enough level land for a runway???

Katmandu

Katmandu's airport is up hill towards the mountain side. It helps you to slow down before impact. Probably the take off is more fun, the person, who I knew that went there, did not say.

If I ever get out of here, I'm not going to Katmandu.

m1xram

another double standard

It amazes me how the world is so quick to bash America and Israel for any percieved "atrocity" but countries like China are allowed to carry on with little criticism. In the eyes of the world, boycotting the Olympics would only make us look like jerks.

My favorite Chinese headline

"Chinese Brand Dali Lama "Wolf in Monk's Robes""

I've seen documentaries and interviews on this guy and he, in my opinion, is the furthest thing from a "wolf".

I guess the Chinese are thinking their words are contained within their borders where the censorship of information is rampan. Memo to China, "We get the whole story "out here"".

"All generalizations are false, including this one.” Mark Twain

Ferraro

Geraldine Ferraro continues to burn at Obama's moral equivalence, comparing her to Wright. Hello!, "liberals" have been doing this for years to conservatives, sans conscience. (It's part and parcel of the socialist/communist playbook). But when it happens to THEM, they become so indignant. I can't stomach to look at or hear the Obamas, but I do relish watching the "liberals" eat each other. Delicious irony.

NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"

I'd wager the govt in China

I'd wager the govt in China is cracking down very hard due to the proximity these protests have to the Olympics. I would fully support any athlete that abstains from the games due to the govt's behavior. That would probably be more likely than any world gov't explicitly removing themselves from the competition, as money talks loudest. But I'm hoping for more extensive coverage of the Chinese govt's actions and atrocities, which unfortunately may never come from the MSM--there needs to be photos and videos of what they're doing instead of stories on page 5A

Nothing new under the sun in Cuyahoga County, Ohio

Questions regarding voter crossover in March primary.

 

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That ain't nuthin'

Wait until you see the circus come November with BHO as the Dim candidate. I can almost assure you there will be rampant fraud that will either help him in northeast Ohio or lay the groundwork for their griping and lawsuits about how "the election was once again stolen from them".

The Northeast, especially Cuyahoga County, has been a joke regarding voting screwups here in Ohio for years.

"All generalizations are false, including this one.” Mark Twain

For the third day the New

For the third day the New York Times has not printed a story regarding the news that Navy Seal Michael Mansoor will be presented the Medal of Honor posthumously regardless of the fact that the Navy Times published the news three days ago.

SEAL To Receive Medal Of Honor For Iraq Heroism

By Gidget Fuentes, Staff writer

SAN DIEGO — A California-based SEAL who threw his body on a grenade to save his comrades in Iraq will posthumously receive the Medal of Honor, a Defense Department official has confirmed.

Master-at-Arms 2nd Class (SEAL) Michael A. Monsoor, of Garden Grove, Calif., was holed up on the roof of a Ramadi house with three other SEALs on Sept. 29, 2006, when an insurgent grenade landed nearby.

Monsoor, a 25-year old with SEAL Team 3, grabbed the grenade and clutched it to his chest. The blast killed him, but his actions, officials said at the time, saved the men on the rooftop.

Monsoor will be the second member of the Navy to receive the Medal of Honor since the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan began, and the first sailor to receive it for combat in Iraq.

Wanna bet which page the New York Times buries this story on?  We could set up a pool to guess which page it arrives on when it is finally published.  I am guessing B-10, under an advertisement.

Any other guesses?

That story reeks of

That story reeks of patriotism, loyalty and selflessness. Things the Liberals have no clue of.

"All generalizations are false, including this one.” Mark Twain

Yeah, now if the New York

Yeah, now if the New York Times were able to prove that Mansoor was an illegal alien, then they would HAVE A STORY they could get behind.  

Or if Mansoor was gay....

Or if Mansoor was  accused of rape...

Or if Mansoor performed an atrocity....

Or if he was opposed to the

Or if he was opposed to the war. 

*****

"People only insist that a debate stop when they are afraid of what might be learned if it continues." - George Will 

Oh boy, if they could find a

Oh boy, if they could find a photo of him wearing a peace sign and carrying a rainbow flag, then THAT WOULD MAKE THE FRONT PAGE.

Breaking News

Reuters is reporting that Hillary has taken Barack's lead by a large margin.

Operation Chaos is working with Help from the GD Wright

B-HO is Toasto -  -He can't even be a VP candidate now.

My Black and White dog could Beat Obama now.

Hillary has an Opening, the Super Delgates will see the Numbers and throw in Mich. and Florida and Hillary WINS.  

if only we had waited

Hannity has been pushing the Rev Wright story for a year. I cannot figure out why he didn't wait and push it AFTER Bama-Lama-Ding-Dong got the nomination. It would have been the perfect October surprise. We toasted BHO too soon I fear and Hellary will now get the nomination...I still feel that McLame can beat her, but it would have been a landslide against Bama-Lama-Ding-Dong with this Rev Wright story..... 

I'm confident now that it's

I'm confident now that it's going to be a McCain victory no matter who gets the nod. He just looks and acts more presidential than the other two (imagine Obama or Clinton taking a trip to Iraq/Israel and making it not look like an awkward campaign swing.) 

He's the Republican that Dems can tolerate, and I think that once a nominee is chosen, a large chunk of the supporters of the loser will either not vote, or vote for McCain or Nader in the hopes that their candidate will get another shot in 2012.

Obama or Clinton? Like my friend Preston says, "Half of one, six dozen of the other." 

*****

"People only insist that a debate stop when they are afraid of what might be learned if it continues." - George Will 

"He's the Republican that

"He's the Republican that Dems can tolerate, and I think that once a nominee is chosen, a large chunk of the supporters of the loser will either not vote, or vote for McCain or Nader in the hopes that their candidate will get another shot in 2012."

Ah, but is he the candidate the Reps can tolerate?

 

Iraqi Documents Show al-Qaida Ties

...hey did this make the news or NB?

"In response, the head of the Iraqi Intelligence Service informed Hussein that Iraq already had ties with a large number of international terrorist groups, including “the Islamist Arab elements that were fighting in Afghanistan and [currently] have no place to base and are physically present in Somalia, Sudan, and Egypt.” In other words, al-Qaida."

http://www.newsmax.c...

v

"People only insist that a debate stop when they are afraid of what might be learned if it continues." - George Will

A Lesson in Racism

My 13 year old grandson got a little lesson about racism on Tuesday. One of the black girls in his class told him she did not want to go to the high school for the charter school they attended because there were too many whites.

He told her that he didn't want to go to the public high school because there were too many blacks. She called him a racist. He told her she was a racist. She informed him that blacks could not be racists.

His day got a little better. His school played and beat Dale Jarrett's son's school in baseball. He got to shake Dale Jarrett's hand.  

If you ain't the lead dog, the scenery never changes.-Lewis Grizzard

Phew!

As I was reading I was waiting for the line " ... and he was expelled for harassment by calling the girl a racist."

"All generalizations are false, including this one.” Mark Twain

I was surprised

I was surprised that didn't get suspended. The charter school is tougher on disipline than public school.

If you ain't the lead dog, the scenery never changes.-Lewis Grizzard

Good thing he didn't try to

Good thing he didn't try to sell her a bag of Skittles. That would certainly have escalated the situation. ;)

 

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If you read this Keith, I have a question.

This is the second time on NB that I've read that "blacks can not be racist." I have respect for Keith and agree with many of his views, but this is one that totally floored me. So Keith, if you read this, I'd like to know if this is something people learn on their own or are they educated and instructed to have this view?

I think you misread

He said that it was the 13 year black girl at his son's school that said "blacks cannot be racist" not him......

Hi SouthJersey.

Hi SouthJersey.

I was aware he (ricklail) was quoting the young girl. I was just
asking Keith (if he reads this) about this very same view that he espoused a
while ago here at NB. I'm curious as to the origins of this train of thought.

Theory destroyed

"She informed him that blacks could not be racists."

To which he could've replied, "Well, I guess you just disproved that theory now, didn't you?" 

*****

"People only insist that a debate stop when they are afraid of what might be learned if it continues." - George Will 

Brite Divinity School to

Brite Divinity School to honor Wright today....this is outrageous, absolutely outrageous...in fact in your face horrendous IMO.

Here are two good links that have tons of info. inside with other sites/links to go to, I have yet to read all of yet that I found this morning.....

Remove the evil person from among you.

I'd say that's not too "Brite" on their part to continue!

v

But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who calls himself a Christian who is...verbally abusive...Do not even eat with such a person. For what do I have to do with judging those outside? Are you not to judge those inside? But God will judge those outside. Remove the evil person from among you. 1 Corinthians 5:11-13

Confirmation From On High

"It’s because he doesn’t want to lose the black vote, one longtime Democrat told me this morning, explaining that Obama’s speech had convinced her to vote for McCain if Hillary Clinton is not the nominee." - Susan Estrich

First thing I've heard her say that I will accept as truth without references, lol. If she is admitting this, one has to wonder how widespread it really must be. Of a certainty, she's not referring to a Reagan democrat.

One thing I've noticed about Susan over the years is she is most truthful and unbiased when she perceives her liberal collegues are going to lose. Note her opinion may, and probably will, change over the next day, or week, but when she wrote this column, she was facing up to defeat in the fall.

V/R
Clyde

"...the aspirants to tyranny are either the...men of the state, who in democracies are demagogues,... or those who hold great offices, and have a long tenure.." - Aristotle, Politics, c350BC

Clyde

Clyde,

Really fabulous column. Thanks.

I really like Susan. Yeah, she can be a Tina Fey. But, this is a very astute woman who when on her game and not stumping says it like very few on her side of the aisle. And, with her, it's not just because of her affiliation with FNC, for I liked her when she was an MSNBC regular.

Isn't it interesting how many of the left-leaning FNC contributors are just so much more pleasant and less vitriolic than the vast majority of shills in the rest of the media -- besides Colmes, of course!!! ns

FNC amd Alan Colmes

You're welcome. She's one of the few I can stand to read, even at her worst. 

As for FNC contributors, they offend me as often as they cheer me, and I think that is as it should be, since I recognize that I have a definite right-side slant in my belief system. They are what I request and respect in a news organization - in the middle, allowing both sides to talk, but generally not allowing them to preach. As for Alan, I think he needs to be as far off-center as he is, because Sean tends to be over-powering. It's that same old teeter-totter principle.

I did go back and read your posts regarding the economic comparisons between this election cycle and 1992. My wife and I agree, you have covered what we believe quite adequately.

V/R
Clyde

"...the aspirants to tyranny are either the...men of the state, who in democracies are demagogues,... or those who hold great offices, and have a long tenure.." - Aristotle, Politics, c350BC

Wow.

I am listening to Thom Hartman, to get a glimpse of how the douchebag-left thinks.
Wow.
He was claiming how America wants the "European Dream" where healthcare and early education are rights and are "free".

He then, in the next breath, heaped praise on Cube for "exporting" doctors. The USA's only export? Why, weapons and death, of course.

Rog... I see him listed

Rog...

I see him listed on my links of talk show radio hosts that I have yet to try and know nothing about...you just saved me the aggravation of listening to one of them....thanks. 

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill

Neil Boortz is taking Thom

Neil Boortz is taking Thom Hartmann to school right now.
Hartmann is such a poor debater, a true idealogue.

Don't you hate to a Leon

Don't you hate, to a Leon level, those Thomas's who use the metrosexual, and possibly communistic, Thom as a diminutive, instead of the manly Tom.

Vote 4 change. Vote 4 anything. See Jack & Mr Shy's first campaign ad for the ONLY viable 3rd party candidate.

Thom Thucks

Thom Thucks. 

*****

"People only insist that a debate stop when they are afraid of what might be learned if it continues." - George Will 

T'was twot I taught. Vote

T'was twot I taught.

Vote 4 change. Vote 4 anything. See Jack & Mr Shy's first campaign ad for the ONLY viable 3rd party candidate.

WTH, NB?

No March Madness chatter????

Let's start things off with this!

Go Xavier!

Mmmmm..that South-side

Mmmmm..that South-side Slope makes me hungry...

Go Zags and UCLA! 

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill

Krispy Kreme as a burger bun

Krispy Kreme as a burger bun is sheer genius!

Sorry Rog

I'm rooting for Georgia to beat Xavier because of their Cinderella run through the SEC.

And as always I'm rooting for dook to lose. It was fun watching them lose in the first round last year - maybe we'll get treated with that again. :-)

Go Heels!

You all know where I

You all know where I stand. Heels and UCLA in the finals with the Heels taking the victory. NO DOOK

If you ain't the lead dog, the scenery never changes.-Lewis Grizzard

I have UNC and Memphis in

I have UNC and Memphis in finals.

I at least have Dook reaching the Elite 8. They'll probably choke as usual...

NC and UCLA ???

I have to agree with that finals, but I got UCLA winning it all.

My dark horse is Davidson to make some waves.

[ For you PC sensitive folks, interchange long shot for dark horse. ]

If conservatives are RIGHT, then liberals must be WRONG.

Davidson

I watched Davidson play my Heels tough. They have a point guard in Stephen Curry who is one of the best in the nation. Another thing they have going is that the games are in Raleigh-only about a 2-1/2 drive from their campus.  

If you ain't the lead dog, the scenery never changes.-Lewis Grizzard

Davidson

My unrealistic bias towards Davidson is that it is my alma mater.

Actually, Curry is the shooting guard. 5th in the nation in scoring and top 3pt percentage shooter. The point guard is Jason Richards and he is number one in assists.

Great basketball thrives in North Carolina, year in and year out.

If conservatives are RIGHT, then liberals must be WRONG.

Rick and Candance

Rick and Candance,

If you don't stop bashing my Blue Devils, I'm gonna ban you both!!! :-)

Good luck in the tourney. I don't think anyone can beat you. Your defense amazes me. It just seems that come crunch time, you guys can stop anyone from scoring.

But lay off my Devils or there'll be hell to pay!!! ns

Go Boilers! v

Go Boilers!

v

Go Vandy, Vols, Memphis,

Go Vandy, Vols, Memphis, Austin Peay, and Belmont.

Tennessee:  Basketball hotbed of America

Jer

Oh, well. So much for the Dawgs.

 

Theme for Election '08: I want my mommy!

RD and all

 How many of you are sick of Bobby Knight's comments on ESPN? They need to send him to the retirement home. He sucks.

RD you can be proud of your Dawgs. They were not even going to the NIT until the SEC tournament run. They were 13-16 going into the tournament.

If you ain't the lead dog, the scenery never changes.-Lewis Grizzard

Well ricktail...he does

Well ricktail...he does seem somewhat more likable as a commentator than he did when he was flinging chairs across the court and choking his players.  But I have yet to hear him make one truly insightful remark since he's been on ESPN.

Jer

And he does deserve kudos for insisting on academic attentiveness on the part of his players

ricklail,

Thanks.

And I agree. Bobby is annoying, even by ESPN standards.

But then, I've always thought guy was a bit of an a$$. 

Theme for Election '08: I want my mommy!

McCain fires another

McCain fires another staffer for promoting this?

You have got to be kidding....

Maybe it is just me, but this video is the truth.

Going to be interesting just how he campaigns/debates during the general. 

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill

Great Cartoon About You

The NBs have been acting bizarre over the past few days.  Letting their hostility towards black Americans shine free.

You all keep acting as if it's outrageous that SOME black people might be angry about how they've been treated in America. 

Well, since you seem to be hard at comprehending simple ideas, maybe a cartoon will help.

This is YOU

»→ Leon

You can support the Klan if you wish, but I condemn your membership in it. 

You're seeming a little duplicitous today.

♣ a seal

Ha Ok Cool. Whatever that

Ha Ok Cool.

Whatever that means tiger.

»→ Thanks, Leon

If you can't see the parallel between the Klan and the Rev. Wright's beliefs, you are choosing duplicity.

♣ a seal

Cool, That comparison

Cool,

That comparison isn't made in the cartoon so I'm not sure why you'd make the comment. 

The parallel between Wright and the Klan is entirely irrelevant to this cartoon.

»→ Who cares Leon

Your inability to defend your beliefs is more comical than any cartoon you can dig up.

But I'm glad you acknowledge the parallel between Wright and the Klan

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Little Hater's talking

Little Hater's talking points do not cover your statements, Cool, so you will forgive him if he cannot answer you.

Talk about bizarre Leon..

I enslaved someone?

I am a member of the KKK?

I don't share water from the same fountain?

I am a police dog nipping at a suspect?

I lynched someone?

I used my weather machine to flood New Orleans?

I'm bald?

Karma, Never said that

Karma,

Never said that (although depending on your age you might be).

You're the moron on the couch who can't figure out why some black Americans might be a bit angry at some of the things that have happened to them. 

Wow.  Maybe even a cartoon isn't simple enough for you all to understand. 

»→ A bit angry

Accusing me of infecting his race with the AIDS virus is well beyond "a bit angry"

But you are certainly staying in character.

♣ a seal

Leon, a few people left