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Barack Obama's primary-night results were strikingly under recorded in several congressional districts around the city - in some cases leaving him with zero votes when, in fact, he had pulled in hundreds, the Board of Elections said today...Unofficial primary results gave Obama no votes in nearly 80 districts, including Harlem's 94th and other historically black areas - but many of those initial tallies proved to be wildly off the mark, the Board of Elections confirmed...Truth is, in some districts getting a recount, the senator from Illinois is even close to defeating Hillary Clinton.
Isn't this the state in which Hillary is senator? Are the Clintons at fault, and is this a foreshadowing of what they'll do at the convention to steal the nomination from Obama?
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Did Obama get votes robbed from him in New York
February 17, 2008 - 11:23 ET by TheTruthThe Clinton machine hard at work supporting the little peoples rights to vote. . .
Did Obama get votes robbed from him in New York
Incompetence, Indifference, Or Criminality?
February 17, 2008 - 14:17 ET by zeestephenReminds me of the alleged "vote stealing" that took place in predominantly black precincts in south Florida during the Bush-Gore fiasco in 2000. Turned out almost every precinct involved had a registered black Democrat as precinct captain. So, in 2008, I'm supposed to believe that black Democrat precinct captains in New York City deliberately made all of Obama's votes disappear because, like, you know, absolutely no one is going to notice?
Here Is A Question To Ponder
February 17, 2008 - 14:28 ET by Wildcatter1980Have liberals ever just lost elections?
Just my $0.02
The future of Hillary Care
February 17, 2008 - 11:25 ET by BlondeOh, jolly good. Socialized medicine at it's very finest...Brit war hero must lose sight in one eye before NHS will treat him.
Here's a little glimpse into our future if either of the (D)'s get elected, all the more reason to rethink John McCain. He might really make us angry, but I don't think he'd ever let THIS happen to us.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Explosive
February 17, 2008 - 11:26 ET by ThisnThatI've always said, even an additional 10 minutes of the Clintons in the White House would have turned into total disastor for this country. Why did they trash the White House before they left? Because they are vindictive, destructive, evil people. And now Ickes is saying that Hillary will get the super delegates; and they will get the MI and FL delegates? And they will win the nomination?
I hope so. She will then have the whole country against her, and the Republicans will likely garner 90% of the black vote.
Go Hillary!
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A Few Simple
February 17, 2008 - 11:36 ET by ghotifunA Few Simple Questions...
Did the Clintonistas ever apologize for their "associates" vandalizing public property, specifically the WH and computer keyboards?
Did the Clintonistas ever issue a sharp statement in rebuke of those actions?
Did the Clintonistas demand that the perpetrators make financial restitution to the owners (the citizens of the US!) of those computer keyboards, the walls, the monitors, the chairs, etc...
I think Ickes might be right. . .(shudder)
February 17, 2008 - 14:47 ET by tracheostomyI can't remember the name of the radio guest that Rusty Humphries had on. But he was confident in asserting that Obama was just a stalking horse and that Soros controlled the entire nomination process.
Not even the libs will get what they want.
Wish I could remember the guest's name. . .
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
Was it..
February 17, 2008 - 17:23 ET by dervishLame Cherry?
Wait a minute. I thought
February 17, 2008 - 11:31 ET by MassConservativeWait a minute. I thought only Republicans were involved in vote fraud. I'm smelling vast right-wing conspiracy !!!!
"There are scandals that need to be addressed. Republicans address them, Democrats re-elect them." - Tom Delay
Betch ten bucks -
February 17, 2008 - 11:52 ET by dervishthat's the response from the DNC, and possibly Clinton, Inc. The Repubs are more worried about Obama, have more dirt on Hillary, etc. etc.
Let's just say...
February 17, 2008 - 11:34 ET by sarcasmoThe "human error" explanation of a 0-result gives at least one of us a feeling of recent-primary election deja vu....
JMR
If this is winning, I think I'd rather lose...
It is virtually impossible
February 17, 2008 - 11:50 ET by c5thenthat Obama got 0 votes in any Harlem district. If the error was in one or two or even a handful, I could be persuaded that it was purely an accident. Happening in 80 districts is absolute proof of a concerted conspiracy to fix the vote.
The day that "politician" became a career choice is the day we started losing the Republic. Let's get it back! Alan Keyes '08.
Sharia Compliant Financial Instruments
February 17, 2008 - 11:54 ET by BlondeWell, when the US borrows heavily from China, leave it to our pals the Brits to come up with something totally off the wall....Sharia Compliant Financial Instruments. If this doesn't blow your mind, I don't know what will.
We should all be very, very scared. If Hillary or B. Hussein win, and take us down the socialist path, I see the very same thing in our future.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Key facts to know about these "financial instruments"
February 17, 2008 - 20:38 ET by ThisnThatBlonde,
I found the following two items the most intriguing part of this so-called Muslim bond thing:
Islamic bonds are slightly more expensive than Western-style bonds, mainly because they require extensive legal and religious advice.
Ok, now let's translate for all the dunderheads out there. In simple, United States terms:
All future Municipal bonds will be based upon the word of God, and guided by the Bible. Prior to purchasing a bond, the buyer will be required to attend Catholic Mass, and agree to go to Confession at least once every two weeks until the Bond matures in 20-30 years. Finally, each buyer agrees to tithe a portion of his interest to the Church each month.
Does anyone think that will fly in the U.S.? Or even Great Britian? Of course not. But it's ok if it's Muslim, the Quran, and Clerics.
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One could say the same things about Kosher food
February 17, 2008 - 20:47 ET by sarcasmoYet it somehow survives in the marketplace anyway, despite higher costs. In the case of hot dogs, even non-Jews like me are known to willingly-pay extra money for Kosher products. I doubt I'd ever feel the same about Islamic financial instruments, but any extra choice is always a good thing, even if it might seem like a silly choice.
JMR
If this is winning, I think I'd rather lose...
Doesn't compute
February 17, 2008 - 21:23 ET by ThisnThatMajor Government bond = <same as> Jewish hot dog?
Stop the thread! I wanna get off.
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Where'd you get
February 17, 2008 - 21:30 ET by sarcasmo"Government"??? [Edit -- Oh, the linked story! I'm not a big fan of governments getting involved in it, as you might imagine, but governments weren't always that prominent in financial affairs, Islamic or otherwise!]
Presumably this demand for Islamic financial instruments would come to banks from customers, just like hot dog demand comes to supermarkets. If that doesn't compute, you probably should get off the thread, because it's pretty simple as a concept.
Islam exists. It's a big enough financial marketplace that serving its adherents well is likely to be profitable despite their blinkered-IMO views on the time value of money. But I never said government could, or would, or even should, do the job of financial institutions. Indeed, governments screw that job up with inflation/scandal every time they try it...
JMR
If this is winning, I think I'd rather lose...
Islam exists
February 17, 2008 - 22:41 ET by ThisnThatYes indeed, Islam exists. It's an ancient, midieval religion tha not only requires you to kill the non-beleivers, but requires you to embed religion into every aspect of your life. And that's the problem. We have rules of law -- they have clerics. We are trained in the use of binding contracts -- they use a religious hierarchy for all decisions. With Islam, your life is embedded within the religious trappings, and every aspect of that life is monitored to enforce obedience. That's no way to run a business; or your life. And saying that "Islam exists" simply isn't enough justification to start turning towards it.
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Who's turning towards it??
February 18, 2008 - 07:14 ET by sarcasmoI'm merely saying that I think all religion deserves respect, even when I disagree with its views on how to run a life. In the case of finances, they all seem to have some bad ideas and some good ones. Ignoring the time value of money is in the "bad, but understandable" category for me. The power of compounding interest probably seemed like black magic back then to all sorts of folks, not just Muslims, and not even starting with them. Laws against "usury" predate Christ, and Christ predates Islam.
I think unlimited borrowing from China is more of a long-term danger to the USA than the non-al-quada adherents of Islam. I don't think all of Islam wants to control my life, even though some obviously do want control over individuals (just like certain Republicans). And speaking of unlimited-borrowing, I also find it a bit odd, in view of the restrictions of Islam, that we borrow so-much money from Saudi Arabia's dictatorship.
JMR
If this is winning, I think I'd rather lose...
Betcha Ten More Bucks.....
February 17, 2008 - 12:03 ET by OldSailor88That noone in the MSM will have the "intestinal fortitude" to report any of this. They may have made Hussein Obama the chosen one now, but they are still scared to death of what the Clintonistas will do to them if they air too much dirty laundry.
Stultus est sicut stultus facit
A typical example of Dem
February 17, 2008 - 12:15 ET by dscottA typical example of Dem Party machine politics, "we know better, we will make the choices for you, do as we say." Yeap, just a practice run of the super delegates at the Dem nomination convention. If the Dem rank and file don't put up a major fuss over this it will be business as usual by the party bosses. Yes people of the world, you are witnessing how Democracy can be stolen, the difference between US Dems and Venezuelan Socialists is Hugo Chavez was more discrete and had anybody who attempted to talk put in jail. Dems are so brazen about election fixing because they have been doing this so long without consequence. Please notice the tactic of omission is just as good as stuffing the ballot box. Since this is a political primary vote, I suppose fixing the results isn't a felony?
Lord Sidious / Darth Vader 2008 Long Live the Empire! Come to the Dark Side, it is your Destiny.
http://www.wired.com/politics
February 17, 2008 - 21:30 ET by dscotthttp://www.wired.com/politics/law/news/2008/02/superdelegates For anyone wishing to check up on superdelegates.
Lord Sidious / Darth Vader 2008 Long Live the Empire! Come to the Dark Side, it is your Destiny.
It's just like "The Love
February 17, 2008 - 12:31 ET by Roger the ShrubberIt's just like "The Love Boat", except full of douchebags.
Ewwwww
February 17, 2008 - 12:43 ET by BlondeRichard Drefuss, huh?
I'm impressed. Not.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Seems like
February 17, 2008 - 16:15 ET by FastEdWoodstock over Water - weed replaced by pot-bellied short hairs. Hendricks replaced by Hennesy.
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V
RtS, why does this crap go on and on , heres a snippit:
February 17, 2008 - 21:03 ET by upcountrywaterAt one point, the director of the Nation cruise addressed the audience
and told us that the cruise sponsored by the conservative National
Review was one day behind us. Warning us about being prompt when
reboarding the ship at each port, he said: “If you miss the ship,
you’re going to be with National Review tomorrow. That’s your penalty —
you’ll have to spend time with John Bolton.”
A lefty rip-off of a cruise; I'd like to take, and spend time with John Bolton.
iranian uranium; iranian ICBM's iranian satellites..
Keep the change Bob. h/t Sam Peckinpah
Our federal government is a
February 17, 2008 - 13:35 ET by ConservativeRexOur federal government is a rudderless ship. A just announced give away of $15 billion for aids/hiv help in Africa when we have soldiers families in this country that could use a raise. As far as I care, that $15 billion is money down a sink hole that will solve absolutely nothing and just go into tyrants pockets. Like the UN.
Soldiers that have been in a war zone for 15 month stretches could use some more monetary help from our government.
What the hell is the matter with politicians? I am just sick of the whole damn bunch of them, ALL of them!
Fixing, or should I say
February 17, 2008 - 13:51 ET by Clear thinkerFixing, or should I say stealing the election, is going to be the only way now that Hillary can win. This could be good news in one respect.... the followers of BO will sue and pull out all the stops to uncover any illegalities by the Hillary camp, and this my friends could gut the Democrat party into a bloody mess.
Set the GOP back on the right course. http://gopteaparty.com/
Let me think???
February 17, 2008 - 15:03 ET by DelsaOh please. Hillary won the state of NY?
Has she ever won the state of NY?
Cheating?
Electronic voting with no paper back up?
Rigging an election?
Possible?
YOU BET IT IS!!
sucks to be him
February 17, 2008 - 16:14 ET by candanceWhen Republicans complain about voter fraud, people like Obama laugh it off. Don't come crying to us.
When a demolib politician
February 17, 2008 - 16:24 ET by FastEdcan't get what he wants, like a tax increase, he threatens the 'people' with the loss of everything else. It seems to be a "temper tantrum" or "I'm taking my toys home" way of political solutions. The problem for the rest of the county is that this type of pressure my be coming to your state soon.
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V
You are trapped in an
February 17, 2008 - 16:31 ET by Jack BauerYou are trapped in an elevator with a clown, a mime, and a politician (one definition of Hell) ... who do you kill first and why?
The Politician?
February 17, 2008 - 21:26 ET by ThisnThatI guess you would kill the politician and get away with it: no one would believe the clown if he tried to point you out; and the mime couldn't say who'd dun it.
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Would you need a silencer
February 18, 2008 - 09:45 ET by ricklailWould you need a silencer to shoot a mime?
If you ain't the lead dog, the scenery never changes.-Lewis Grizzard
Well, well, well, isn't
February 17, 2008 - 16:53 ET by bigtimerWell, well, well, isn't this interesting news...this is the first I have heard of this in NY...thank you NB staff....
Typical of the Clinton Machine, that is the first thing that ever comes to your mind, they know absolutely no other way to win, they have been doing this all their political life...this time they are inviting a civil war within their own party...especially the blacks too that have automatically supported them and the dem. party...
Me thinks Bill is losing the First Black Prez title he was annointed...real fast.
Why is the msm silent about all of this....
....ahhhh never-mind....I was just being sarcastic.
I just wonder what Obama is going to do, if anything about this.
Here is the other way she has planned to steal the election if possible when it comes to the Superdelegates....
Ford Mustang, NBC, Knight Rider and Lesbians
February 17, 2008 - 22:26 ET by Lame CherryLovely, the show I was looking forward to in Knight Rider with a Shelby Mustang has featured on it lesbian star with a one night stand.
Ford is up to it's old tricks.
As far as New York.........
It is New York for badness sake. Boss Tweed ring a bell? Chicago is just as crooked. It doesn't have to be Hillary, because Democrats all cheat there, use kickbacks and that is just how deals are done there.
They don't know how to be anything but crooked just like Ford can't help but turning an Amerian icon in a gay car show.
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Where NOT to skimp...
February 18, 2008 - 07:56 ET by sarcasmoLet's think of a hypothetical. You start out as an unbiased reporter (admittedly far-fetched, but it's possible in theory). The trick, in that unlikely event, is to remain unbaised. Will your reporting be the same on the candidates with the gourmet meals as the candidate who feeds you the awful-tasting turkey sandwiches? You tell me...
A well-executed PB&J can be excellent, so it's not just a cost-issue. Food preparation is a skill, and some preparers don't have much of it.
JMR
If this is winning, I think I'd rather lose...
All Democrats Cheat
February 19, 2008 - 12:07 ET by cziganIn the last election for governor in Pennsylvania many of the black districts in Philadelphia had over a 100% turn out voting for Rendell and they claimed it was justified because blacks would be disenfranchised if they had to show ID before voting. The surprise was that he ran against Lynn Swann and all of the blacks I know didn't vote for him because to be a black Republican means you are an Uncle Tom.