The past couple of days, Rush Limbaugh has talked about how it would hurt John McCain if he suddenly endorsed the Arizona Senator for President:
The Democrats do listen, but they're inclined to do the exact opposite of what I say. If I really wanted to torpedo McCain, I would endorse him because that would send the independents and liberals that are going to vote for him running away faster than anything. What people don't realize is, I'm doing McCain the biggest favor that could be done for him by staying out of this. If I endorsed him thoroughly, with passion, that would end the independents and moderates, because they so despise me and they so hate me.
Do you think Rush is right? Would his endorsement chase away Independents and moderate Democrats leaning towards McCain? If this is the case, have Rush's opinions about McCain actually helped the Arizona Senator by driving Independents and moderate Democrats to support him?
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Rush is right...the
February 12, 2008 - 17:39 ET by bigtimerRush is right...the leftist leaders and their lemmings would do the opposite.
I heard his show today, I also commented about some of this regarding Rush earlier in another thread...I have to get for a bit but I'll be back...lol!
I agree with Rush
February 12, 2008 - 17:40 ET by GothampcI agree with Rush. The Dems zero in on anything that Rush, Hannity or Ann Coulter endorse. It's like they can't touch these people, so they do their best to destroy the target of their affection. If Rush endorsed McCain, then McCain wouldn't be able to hold up under Dem scrutiny.
Rush....
February 12, 2008 - 17:41 ET by LionKingAs much as I love Rush, sometimes his ego is too much. Granted, he has a lot influence over Republicans and conservatives. I do not think he has the same influence with Democrats and liberals [in the opposite way] that he suggests.
I prefer Rush to stand true to conservatism and not a party loyalist. He comes across more intellectually honest and not as a Republican sycophant.
LK... Rush has stated many
February 12, 2008 - 18:01 ET by Clear thinkerLK... Rush has stated many times that he is a conservative first, a Republican second. The same as I think of myself. If the GOP does not do something drastic to change my mind over the next several months all this will change for me. I will then be a conservative first, and an unaffiliated second.
The Conservative movement is about to be reborn.
CT...ditto
February 13, 2008 - 11:31 ET by LionKingI agree 100%...
[mega dittos to Rush for his service to conservativism.]
Independents only
February 12, 2008 - 17:46 ET by RackieNov. 5th. to be set aside for registered independents to vote.
So many people don't get
February 12, 2008 - 17:56 ET by mattmSo many people don't get Rush. They have been brainwashed by the MSM into thinking that Rush is just a flamethrower trying to gin up controversy to keep his ratings up.
They simply fail to get it: Rush is a guy with an opinion and a radio show, that's it. He doesn't have followers, he has listeners. He doesn't tell people what to think, he just says that he does to get a rise out of the idiots who think he's some sort of pied piper.
If Rush is right about people running away from McCain the minute he endorses him, it would merely prove what idiots the masses are, and how they are motivated by almost everything except the substance of ideas.
Rush is merely trying to illustrate the folly of the thinking of the Washington DC intelligensia - and their sheep-like followers, and even some of those on the Right who accidentally get influenced by being in too close proximity to them on a regular basis.
"If Rush is right about
February 12, 2008 - 19:22 ET by contrary"If Rush is right about people running away from McCain the minute he endorses him, it would merely prove what idiots the masses are, and how they are motivated by almost everything except the substance of ideas"
I fear this is the case with many people.
"Republicans always get a huge pass on the racist issue. Huck is just another example. Provided they don't start up with the N word, they seem able to pander directly to the racist vote."
-- Chuck Davis, intellectual heavyweight, bigot
Once again, Rush
February 12, 2008 - 17:58 ET by Clear thinkerOnce again, Rush makes sense. He usually does, so this is no surprise to me.
Even here at NB, we have seen moderates talk about McCain like he was their favorite Uncle, while at the same time calling Rush all sorts of names.
The one thing that can save (it may be too late) the GOP is to revamp how the primaries work for their candidates. I would like to see the party stand on it's own two feet during the primaries and only allow Republicans to vote. Our choices for the nomination would be better by default just from this one change.
The Conservative movement is about to be reborn.
Florida did just-that.
February 12, 2008 - 18:27 ET by sarcasmo"We" chose the party's current RINO-frontrunner. Like it or not, something else is what's wrong if Florida's experience is any judge...
I'm not a big fan of Lou Dobbs, but his idea for registering "independent" (which in FL would be NPA, because we have 2 "independent" parties when last I checked, believe it or not) is sounding increasingly-good to me.
JMR
If this is winning, I think I'd rather lose...
I agree, especially the
February 12, 2008 - 18:49 ET by Conservative VoiceI agree, especially the part that we need to revamp how we do primaries.
I think it should all on the same day, and winner takes all in a congressional district. And no reporting on the results until ALL polls are closed, so the West isn't influenced by the East.
Yes Clear Thinker, to add
February 12, 2008 - 21:11 ET by Ryan Mc.Yes Clear Thinker, to add to your point, the New England and NY primaries were largely winner take all primaries making them two or three times more valuable. The conservative states were more likely to be proportional. McCain won the NY's while Romney won the NV's and the MI's. Romney split the delegates of the states he won while McCain took all of some of the states he won. Also NH must be ousted as first in the country. They are flaming liberals and represent the Rockefeller wing of the party. We can't allow another McCain to be resurected by NH ever again. Live Free or Die? Its appears to be dead.
I also agree that independants must be banned from "our" primary. Preferably you should be registered for months before the primary to qualify to vote in the Republican primary. If McCain = big tent, I'd rather downsize.
Or maybe a better idea, you
February 12, 2008 - 21:32 ET by Conservative VoiceOr maybe a better idea, you have to pay to register, the money goes to the winner of the primaries.
Voting in the general is a right, voting in the primaries is not.
I don't know how it would
February 12, 2008 - 18:26 ET by motherbeltI don't know how it would work out. How would they know if he was endorsing honestly or to hurt him? It could end up like the poisoned- goblet scene in "The Princess Bride".....
Now, a clever man would put the poison into his own goblet because he would know that only a great fool would reach for what he was given. I am not a great fool so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you. But you must have known I was not a great fool--you would have counted on it--so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me!
and on, and on.....LOL
Iocaine
February 12, 2008 - 21:38 ET by masslibertarianGreat reference to the "battle of wits." Rush has spent the last 20 years building up immunity to lib-moderate Iocaine powder :-)
(And before I get flamed, this is not an Oxycontin joke, you people. You have to see the movie.)
Masslib....one
February 12, 2008 - 22:32 ET by motherbeltMasslib....one of the greatest movies of all time!
Remember: Never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line!!
Kind of half OT...
February 12, 2008 - 18:26 ET by c5thenMcCain funded by Soros since 2001
"In 2001, McCain founded the Alexandria, Va.-based Reform Institute
as a vehicle to receive funding from George Soros' Open Society
Institute and Teresa Heinz Kerry's Tides Foundation and several other
prominent non-profit organizations."
"McCain used the institute to promote his political agenda and provide compensation to key campaign operatives between elections."
Who better to know how to get around McCain-Feingold then one of the authors himself.
WAKE UP CONSERVATIVES!!!1
The GOP has been infiltrated. Do we want to try and get it back, or just let it die and start a new party?
The day that "politician" became a career choice is the day we started losing the Republic. Let's get it back! Alan Keyes '08.
c5, I think the GOP should die for this. Benedict Arnolds, all.
February 12, 2008 - 18:34 ET by R D HelmIt will be interesting to see how the McCainiacs react to this.
LOL-Bet they will start whining like the democrats they are!
None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free. -J.W. von Goethe
So far, they've been silent.
February 12, 2008 - 18:40 ET by sarcasmoFinal predicted argument? "Well, Soros certainly gives more to the Dems!!!"
Hard to argue with that one on logical grounds, but it's about like saying "this punchbowl has way-fewer turds in it than that one!!!"
JMR
If this is winning, I think I'd rather lose...
sarc,
February 12, 2008 - 19:07 ET by R D Helm"Well, Soros certainly gives more to the Dems!!!"
LOL-I think you have that one right, as that is really the only argument they have. I mean, they will not be able to attribute it to a Rovian plot, now will they?
None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free. -J.W. von Goethe
If not killed, the GOP
February 12, 2008 - 18:40 ET by Clear thinkerIf not killed, the GOP should at least have it's arse kicked.
If they don't show me SOMETHING over the next several months, I promise them... I will be quitting.
The Conservative movement is about to be reborn.
Ct, it is too late to fix the Republican Party.
February 12, 2008 - 18:54 ET by R D HelmThey have now been corrupted to the core.
McCain is the hand-picked stooge of the RINO party leadership. They are now attempting to scare us into voting for him out of fear of what the democrats might do.
To be honest, I know what the dems are going to do. Its the republicans I am beginning to fear, as I have not the foggiest clue what they have in store for us.
If I were the Huckabee people, I'd be screaming bloody murder over this. I promise you, the MSM will be should McCain win the nomination.
None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free. -J.W. von Goethe
"To be honest, I know what
February 12, 2008 - 18:58 ET by vrwc13"To be honest, I know what the dems are going to do. Its the republicans I am beginning to fear, as I have not the foggiest clue what they have in store for us."
I tried to warn you guys with this...
President (insert RINO name here): My worst nightmare:
http://www.worldnetd...
v
...now our only hope is from Hope! Let's hope for his miracle!
vrwc... With all due
February 12, 2008 - 19:04 ET by Clear thinkervrwc...
With all due respect, Huckabee is not the saviour of the GOP. I won't be voting for him either.
The Conservative movement is about to be reborn.
Same here, Clear
February 12, 2008 - 19:16 ET by RJHuckabee would not make a good President.
And I said earlier that I would probably vote for McCain ONLY because of his Iraq position....unless he did something that disgusted me so much I would just walk away.
R D... One of our fellow
February 12, 2008 - 19:02 ET by Clear thinkerR D...
One of our fellow posters here (I forget which one, bad case of OFS) said the he would vote for whoever is the nominee because he believes in the party platform. I did not snicker loudly because I was certain it would have pissed them off, but c'mon folks. What the hell good is a platform if you ignore it?
The GOP has gotten alot of my money over the years so I'm partly to blame. I won't be making that mistake again!
The Conservative movement is about to be reborn.
Platform? The Republican
February 12, 2008 - 22:27 ET by motherbeltPlatform? The Republican Party has a platform???
Is John McCain aware of this??????
mb... Excellent
February 12, 2008 - 22:34 ET by Clear thinkermb...
Excellent question!
The Conservative movement is about to be reborn.
c5... Thanks for the
February 12, 2008 - 18:41 ET by bigtimerc5...
Thanks for the link...I had one before, but this is much better.
People better wake up you say...I feel it's too late.
Still better late than never as the saying goes.
bt, I cannot wait for the McCainiacs to jump in here and
February 12, 2008 - 18:52 ET by R D HelmI cannot wait for the McCainiacs to jump in here and try to rationalize this heresy.
Should be interesting, to say the least.
None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free. -J.W. von Goethe
RD... Give 'em
February 12, 2008 - 18:55 ET by bigtimerRD...
Give 'em time...they will.
There will be more coming out about McCain IMO as time marches on.
Let's hope our 'Potomac
February 12, 2008 - 19:01 ET by vrwc13Let's hope our 'Potomac primaries' folks heard this before they voted today!
v
"Faith doesn't just influence me. It really defines me. I don't have to wake up every day wondering what do I need to believe," Huckabee says in the ad. "Let us never sacrifice our principles for anybody's politics. Not now, not ever."
bt, I also would like for them to tell us how
February 12, 2008 - 19:03 ET by R D HelmI also would like for them to tell us all how McCain is going to stand up to this, too.
LOL-He's going to finish third in a two-person race!
None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free. -J.W. von Goethe
RD... I'll have to look
February 12, 2008 - 19:09 ET by bigtimerRD...
I'll have to look into the link more later, I am standing by for a delivery here...so I'm just checking in now and then, thanks for the link, I will enjoy it and get back to you I'm sure.
bt,
February 12, 2008 - 19:19 ET by R D HelmWell, I hope it is something really cool.
Like a huge flat-screen TV. :-)
None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free. -J.W. von Goethe
Could Soros be McCain's "smoking gun?"
February 12, 2008 - 18:44 ET by vrwc13...can delegates disengage their votes?
v
Men stumble over the truth from time to time, but most pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing happened. -Winston Churchill.
It would if...
February 12, 2008 - 18:34 ET by coffee260he was taken seriously by the media. However, at this point I don't think they'd be inclined to believe any sort of endorsement by Rush as being sincere.
LOL Rush is bailing water
February 12, 2008 - 18:41 ET by Lame CherryMr. Limbaugh is quite intelligent. He does not want to be blamed for the collapse of John McCain, the GOP and the elections which are coming if Tugboat Johnny does not start acting presidential.
Look, numbers of GOP Congress people are fleeing the ship for various reasons. They know what is coming and right now Rush would be the one blamed from everyone from Coulter to Ingraham bringing out the truth about McCain.
World Net Daily today broke a story that McCain is FUNDED BY GEORGE SOROS........just like Billary and Obama. All the same critter.
It is a matter of degrees. Rush has simple taken the heat off of himself, because he knows very well there are a huge number of people who will vote for anyone other than McCain. Huckabee is a shining example of how much people dislike McCain.
I posted before and will post again. Rush needs to get on the phone and talk to Lynn Cheney and W to get ahold of McCain and inform him that Lynn solves all his problems.
Nominate Lynn and Huckabee disappears as Conservatives have their name on the ticket.
Nominate Lynn and she splits 5% off the DNC. That 5% become a 10% margin as it shifts from DNC to RNC as crazy women will always vote for a woman no matter what and Lynn rattles the gay vote too.
Nominate Lynn and you get a vetted candidate, brilliant like Maggie Thatcher and one who can talk to Conservatives in our language and John can go antagonize the left as he is inclined to do.
Independents and Democrats are not driven in the least by Rush Limbaugh in who to vote for. The Truth is McCain has always had 23% of the vote and that is it. He needs Lynn Cheney bringing in the Evangelicals, Conservatives and Patriots. McCain gets that and he runs slightly ahead of Obama and Hillary and Gore.
Lynn bringing in 5% of the gay and wacko feminist vote though turns into a landslide as the 49% McCain, 47% OBillargore with 5% turns into 54% McCain and 42% Democrats.
That is a route and a landslide.
Rush really had to work hard on this one. It is hillarious as he gave the kooks and explanation they actually are pulling their hair out over to try and stop now...........Rush never meant for the right to take him serious as he expects we are more intelligent than falling for kook explanations.
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Maybe thats why Rush doesn't endorse Obama?
February 12, 2008 - 18:58 ET by nwahsOh, so its a strategy, and not confusion? Uhuh..
Maybe that is why Rush isn't endorsing Obama outright?
I don't understand the Obama mania sweeping "conservatives." I just don't get it. I guess I have to get his book "Dare to Dream." Oviously, it has struck a chord with those conservative purists. Maybe I don't get conservatism. Maybe conservatism means you get everything you want in an instant, or you just throw everything away.
Perhaps the country is ready for Obama. The liberals have a "good" reason for putting him in office an conservatives have a "good" reason for putting him in office. If Rod Sterling walked out right now, I wouldn't be surprised.
nw... What is it with you
February 12, 2008 - 19:06 ET by bigtimernw...
What is it with you repeating the mantra that conservatives are wanting Obama in office, you have posted this earlier today a few times, infact I think you included Billary...
I haven't seen you around until today...I'm not looking you up either as I am pretty danged busy...you never answered my last post to you either on the other thread that I know of.
Who are you voting for? We conservatives have no Obamamania sweeping us...where are you coming up with this BS?
The Republican nominee
February 12, 2008 - 19:23 ET by nwahsI'm voting for the Republican nominee, whether it be Huckabee or McCain. Right now it looks like McCain. I think either Hilary or Obama would be a disastrous choice for President. But I'm in the minority here. Most people posting today don't seem very concerned in electing the Democratic nominee over McCain.
I was for Romney since his campaign started. I was angry over the fact that it appears religious bigotry cost him primaries. But I also listened to his speech when he bowed out. He said in effect, if was only about him, he would fight on to the convention, just as Reagan did in 1976. But he said there is a difference now in that we are at war, and it is inconceivable that we elect a Clinton or Obama while we are at war.
What he said made sense. But obviously, the idea of closing ranks too succeed in Iraq doesn't rank higher the purifying the ranks of conservatism. Or so it would seem from some of the responses I got from echoing that simple message.
nwahs... Party over
February 12, 2008 - 19:31 ET by Clear thinkernwahs... Party over principles is what has us in the fix we find ourselves.
Let me repeat... No matter who wins the WH, Dem or Rep, they will NOT be pulling troops out of Iraq anytime soon. All it's going to take is 24 hours in the Oval Office for the new prez for reality to set in. This is why your argument does not fly with me!
The Conservative movement is about to be reborn.
Well who are YOU voting
February 12, 2008 - 20:25 ET by nwahsWell who are YOU voting for? You obviously think Romney over valued party unity in this time of war. I'm not being a part of letting the Democrats take over the White House under some fuzzy logic about them not being able to screw up the war too bad. I sure as heck wont be part of putting a guy in office who brags about being against the war from the start. He's not that clairvoyant. He may be that anti-American.
So its not blind party loyalty. Its that the Democrats believe America is the fault of the world's evils. I think America has never stopped being the world's hope. I am not going to throw my vote away and let the Democrats take the White House. Its about time to stop cannibalizing McCain.
Spoken like a true party
February 12, 2008 - 21:51 ET by Clear thinkerSpoken like a true party loyalist.
The Conservative movement is about to be reborn.
nwahs... What does this
February 12, 2008 - 19:08 ET by Clear thinkernwahs...
What does this mean?
"I don't understand the Obama mania sweeping "conservatives."
The Conservative movement is about to be reborn.
Ct...that's what I asked
February 12, 2008 - 19:11 ET by bigtimerCt...that's what I asked him above you....he has inferred this earlier today and I didn't get him them, don't now.
I do have a feeling though the more he/she posts...
Catch ya later...
"I do have a feeling though the more he/she posts... "
February 12, 2008 - 21:08 ET by Indiana JoeHey, bt,
I'm having a feeling myself... "nwahs" has been a member for 49 weeks (but no other info). If it's an attempt at a con-job, it was planned for quite a while ago.
Does your "feeling" have anything to do with the reverse spelling of this handle? Hmmm? ;^)
Hope all is well,
IJ
nwahs,
February 12, 2008 - 19:15 ET by R D HelmExactly where on this site have either myself, bt, Ct, Free, or any other of the huge number of conservatives here, stated that we are going to vote for Obama?
And what we don't get is the wave of McCain-a-mania that is currently sweeping the Republican Party.
And you are correct, you don't get conservatism because you aren't one. And neither is the candidate you are in here promoting.
None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free. -J.W. von Goethe
I think he means that by
February 12, 2008 - 21:27 ET by Ryan Mc.I think he means that by attacking McCain you are going to elect Obama so you are for Obama if only indirectly.
BTW I totally disagree with that point if indeed that is his point. People like nwahs are hard to understand.
I am to the right of most
February 13, 2008 - 00:53 ET by ConservativeRexI am to the right of most Conservatives and I haven't been asked, but I wouldn't vote for Barry Obama for dog catcher. Ol' Juan needs to reach way out to the right to snag me. Or maybe he doesn't need someone as Conservative as me, we'll see. But I have never considered voting for Obama or PIAPS!
I think Rush is reveling in
February 12, 2008 - 19:44 ET by balboaI think Rush is reveling in an over-estimated hate of him by others.
You fail to understand his
February 12, 2008 - 21:31 ET by Ryan Mc.You fail to understand his humor. He is only half serious. Obviously if you are a listener you would understand that he makes these half jokes all the time. He has been making these jokes for the past week. He joked about supporting Hillary because the party is relying on hate of Hillary to win in November. If Obama wins conservative hate may not be as strong and they may stay home. He was serious that that could be a factor but only half serious about supporting Hillary to show loyalty to McCain.
It takes time to understand Rush but once you do its funny. You need to have a sharp sense of sarc and not be so uptight.
Ryan Mc
February 13, 2008 - 00:13 ET by balboaYeah, kinda hard to pick up on that when it's just text. I'll really, really work on not being so uptight though.
I'm pretty uptight myself
February 13, 2008 - 07:02 ET by Ryan Mc.I'm pretty uptight myself sometimes so there's a little pot calling the kettle there I must admit. Sorry if I came across a little more aggressive than I should have.
you can't underestimate the hate...BDS...RDS also
February 12, 2008 - 20:07 ET by JayTeeIf you cannot understand/comprehend the CODE PINK and MOVE ON dot Org hate against the war, and the Military, and blame America First, you cannot comprehend what Rush Derangement Syndrome might do to people who will find a Reason to VOTE....Against any Republican, just because Rush likes 'em.
As usual, RUSH is RIGHT. It's reverse psychology in play.
Trying to be cute
February 12, 2008 - 20:32 ET by catnamedjakeI think it would most definately have an effect. I have heard Rush's name mentioned by the MSM a few dozen times in the past two or three weeks. On Sunday, a woman with bad makeup (don't remember the name) was talking to Eric Shawn at around 11:55 am. She said that Rush, Hannity, all the McCain objectors are "just trying to be cute". What the......? First it's "calm down" now this? Check out the GOPTeaParty, see what everyone thinks about that.
Rush is always right. The
February 12, 2008 - 21:04 ET by wiwfRush is always right.
The Rocky Mountain Collegian: Illustrating Idiocy
Enough is Enough!
February 12, 2008 - 21:09 ET by wwsmithAlright folks I don't comment here often but I do follow NB daily, I consider myself a Conservative, unfortunately my candidate dropped out before I got a chance to vote for him so I voted for Mitt. McCain is too liberal about many things as is Huckabee for me to be happy about it but neither one is anywhere near as bad as any of the Dhimms, therefore which ever one gets the Party nod will get my vote, for many more reasons then just the War on Terror, the nation can not afford to allow the democraps to have free reign in our government. Now all of you so called Conservatives out there that refuse to support the party because it's "not conservative enough" are sounding more and more like lefty weenies that are jumping the boat for Sheehan. The difference is there's not enough of them to hurt the dems but there are more then enough of you to destroy our nation.
Watch out, the
February 12, 2008 - 21:23 ET by nwahsWatch out, the "conservatives" will purge you.
Seriously, I agree with you 100%, but my attempts to give the same message aren't going well.
Purge away, because if the
February 12, 2008 - 21:36 ET by general companyPurge away, because if the Dems get control they will do the "purging". My Guy was long gone before I ever got to vote, but I will do my best to keep the nitwits away from my cash, not to mention all the other stupid ideas they have. People better wake up, and get over themselves.
"Always do right. This will gratify some people, and astonish the rest". Mark Twain
nwahs, it isn't the message. It's the delivery.
February 12, 2008 - 21:43 ET by R D HelmYou came flying in here insulting many on this site by insinuating that those who do not agree with you are somehow mind-numbed Rushbots. That nonsense will not fly very far here.
Most everyone you will encounter on this site is quite well educated and/or of well above average intelligence. We do not appreciate being talked down to.
If you are looking for intelligent discourse, then post intelligent comments.
None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free. -J.W. von Goethe
R D... Thanks for
February 12, 2008 - 22:01 ET by Clear thinkerR D...
Thanks for the common sense lesson for one of our brothers.
The Conservative movement is about to be reborn.
You're probably right. I am
February 12, 2008 - 22:38 ET by nwahsYou're probably right. I am no good a schmoozing. If someone says they are abstaining from voting for the person running against the Democrat, or worse yet voting for the Democrat, its impossible for me not to convey, I think they are an idiot. Even if I don't say out right, they are an idiot, I'm sure there will be condescension in the tone of my post. Guilty as charged. I think protest votes, whether its abstaining, voting for the Independent, voting for the Democrat, or a write in vote, is idiotic. I can't pretend I don't think its idiotic, and I can't pretend there isn't a worse time for such Goldilocks nonsense.
It is time to stop cannibalizing McCain. He will probably be the Republican nominee and unless you are comfortable with a Democrat POTUS, I don't see the benefit of infighting. I can't pretend I do. Ronald Reagan chose H Bush as a running mate. What more do some here know about party unity than Ronald Reagan?
No, the posts here talk about Reagan's divisive statements like "I didn't leave the Democratic party it left me.." - more accurately, use the statement for divisive means (i.e., the Republican party is so far left I might as well vote for Clinton).
They ignore the fact he chose one of his staunchest critics as his VP. That's the difference between what I've read today and the Reagan era.
Spoken like a blind party
February 12, 2008 - 22:47 ET by Clear thinkerSpoken like a blind party loyalist.
Please see my post below to wwsmith!
The Conservative movement is about to be reborn.
Bull, nwahs
February 12, 2008 - 22:51 ET by RJIt wasn't a matter of your having a poor bedside manner. It was your blindly attacking those who disagree with you.
For example, you made accusations about some of us not being behind our military, without having a clue about who you're denigrating so despicably. You might be interested in knowing that the number of vets and families of vets at NB is MUCH higher than you'll find in the general population.
Another example is your accusation that posters here haven't been vocal about Bush's fiscal policies, when many of us have been VERY vocal for many years.
The point is, you make accusations and generalizations without having a clue about the people you accuse.
RJ ...another example,
February 12, 2008 - 23:03 ET by bigtimerRJ
...another example, those who don't vote for McCain are guilty of leaving limbs on the battlefield...ect....I'm paraphrasing a bit, but that was the point.
I could go back and find the post, but he didn't even know how I was going to vote or anything yet...I had never stated it...the attempt at guilting people into voting for McCain will not work on me, I have stated what it would take for me to even be able to contemplate such a thing.
We have a long way to go...I have said long ago now from the beginning of listening to Obama's sweet nothings world wide communistic speeches is people be wary, very wary...he is a run-away train and I do not think anything is going to stop it...
Certainly not McCain....we needed someone with fire and I mean conservative fire in his belly and using the bully-pulpit to do it every time he had the chance, in any venue, we never got that....
We'll all just do what we have to do individually when the time comes, but we are doomed...Obama is a runaway train...a big world wide socialist one to-boot.
Let me explain something to
February 13, 2008 - 00:54 ET by nwahsLet me explain something to you. If you recognize Obama(and Clniton for different reasons) as runaway trains, we are on the same side. Limbs on the battle field was not rhetoric, but a duty bound promise to never lose sight of what we are doing.
nw.. I don't need you to
February 13, 2008 - 01:26 ET by bigtimernw..
I don't need you to explain anything to me.
No RJ , I don't know who
February 13, 2008 - 01:17 ET by nwahsNo RJ , I don't know who I'm responding to, and unless you post under your real name and not a pseudonym , I don't care. I don't know if you're an angst filled 17 year old skipping school, a veteran, a pundit or whatever. I don't care. I care what you write, that's all. I care about the point you are making not the personality. There is only one point I've made. Even a considered liberal Republican who fully supports the Iraq war is better than the two possible Democrat nominees, and no one should be sitting it out or protesting. I should not have used the word "idiotic." I should have used the word "wrong." I think those conservatives that don't line up behind the nominee opposed to the Democrat, are wrong.
That is my point- nothing else.
Of course you don't care, nwahs
February 13, 2008 - 10:04 ET by RJBecause, so far, the only "debate" capabilities you've shown here are false extrapolations, broad generalizations, and blind, bludgeoning attacks on those who disagree with you.
"He was a would-be sharp operator who lacked for the satisfaction of his ambition only the quality of sharpness and who expended all of his energies on perserving his opinions from contamination." -Michael Chabon, "Gentlemen of the Road"
wwsmith...Who the hell
February 12, 2008 - 22:16 ET by Clear thinkerwwsmith...
Who the hell are you to scold us about the principles we choose to vote for?
I have been voting for RINO's for almost 30 years, not any more, and I'm not doing it because of some irrational fear I have of the Democrats. Enough is enough, I no longer vote for RINO's. If you don't like it too bad. Feel free to ask me to leave your RINO party.
You voting for a RINO only allows the GOP and the country to lean further left. Allowing a RINO to win the WH wins a temporary battle. I want to win the damn war!
The Conservative movement is about to be reborn.
Then vote for your
February 12, 2008 - 22:45 ET by wwsmithThen vote for your principals or vote for obambi or shrillary, right now it's the same thing. Where were you and others when the Conservatives in the race needed you? I'm not saying to abandon those Principals but pick them up to insure Conservatives run in 2010 and 2012, all your sticking to your guns now will get us is a Dhimmi knife in the back.
ww
February 12, 2008 - 22:50 ET by BlondeAgreed....I don't like it, but the more I see of Obama (and I believe he delivered the fatal blow to Hillary tonite....she's toast), I suspect he would make Jimmy Carter look like a genius POTUS. Obama scares the daylights out of me.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
I wish my prediction last
February 12, 2008 - 23:05 ET by Conservative VoiceI wish my prediction last year was wrong, that Hillary wasn't going to win the primaries...how sad is that, that I am hoping Hillary wins the Democrat nomination and may even be the better candidate overall?
Sounds to me like you need
February 12, 2008 - 22:56 ET by Clear thinkerSounds to me like you need to do some soul searching because you are only parroting what the GOP has become.
Either that or you want our party to continue it's leftward march. Good luck with that. I won't be a part of it!
The Conservative movement is about to be reborn.
That just means you're
February 12, 2008 - 22:53 ET by nwahsThat just means you're comfortable with having a Democrat President for the next 4 years. I've known Blackjack players comfortable hitting 19. I don't hit 19 and a sure as heck don't enable Democrats. Like I said, its a free country. Have an Obama party. I'm going to support the Republican nominee in 2008.
I'm not comfortable with
February 12, 2008 - 23:01 ET by Clear thinkerI'm not comfortable with Obama as POTUS, but neither Huckabee or McCain will be able to beat him.
This pity party for our pitiful party is just another nail in the coffin of the GOP.
The Conservative movement is about to be reborn.
CT... LOL and GMTA...I
February 12, 2008 - 23:10 ET by bigtimerCT...
LOL and GMTA...I just posted as such elsewhere...it is unstoppable now with the pathetic candidate we have.
That simple.
bt... Just a few short weeks
February 12, 2008 - 23:20 ET by Clear thinkerbt... Just a few short weeks ago we had two very good conservative candidates. If we could only turn back the hands of time!
The Conservative movement is about to be reborn.
McCain could absolutely
February 12, 2008 - 23:19 ET by nwahsMcCain could absolutely beat Obama or Hilary. I think Huckabee could too, but I think it would be closer. There are a lot of people who were staunch supporters of Obama and Clinton, that are going to chicken out in the voter's booth. These people are impossible to poll. The national polls of a McCain/Obama race is a virtual dead heat. Both Clinton and Obama will fall to that "mysterious" voting booth phenomena. I've seen it in the Governor's race in Louisiana with Bobby Jindal. Although leading in the polls by a small margin in 2003, Jindal fell to this voting booth phenomena. He was elected in 2007, and the polls showed he was going to be elected over a year in advance. His lead in the polls was that significant. It was more of a coronation than an election.
When we have a woman or African-American President, you're going to know long in advance. If it shows up as a tight race in the polls - it aint happening. Well not unless the Republic party completely self-destructs.
nwahs... You probably
February 12, 2008 - 23:24 ET by Clear thinkernwahs...
You probably mean well, but you are dead wrong. McCain cannot possibly beat Obama.
The Conservative movement is about to be reborn.
CT...Exactly... No
February 12, 2008 - 23:28 ET by bigtimerCT...Exactly...
No way..no how...it would take a miracle.
Lets ignore the race and
February 12, 2008 - 23:38 ET by nwahsLets ignore the race and gender milestones involved in a Democrat win. How in the world can Obama get past the experience issue? Even Clinton's campaign is latching on to the fact that all his speeches are grandiose with no specifics of an actual plan. He could not survive a debate nor explain all those videos of him ignoring the Pledge of Allegiance. Obama is a paper tiger. He is only a force in the media's propaganda. He is Robin Hood rhetoric and nothing without an echo.
I really think the super delegates are going to push Clinton to the top of the ticket because of the experience issue. Democrats can comfort themselves that they are "grooming" Obama. But Clinton is behind McCain in the polls. And that "mysterious" voting booth phenomena will surely account for her defeat.