Ann Coulter and Mark Steyn at CPAC Open Thread

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By now, most NBers are likely aware that Ann Coulter spoke to the Young America's Foundation Friday in a room down the hall from CPAC. Townhall.com has the entire speech on video here.

What folks might be less aware of is that Mark Steyn also spoke at CPAC Friday, and gave a speech that is absolutely must-see (video available here, h/t NBer motherbelt). I highly encourage all to view both.

That said, one of the fascinating issues raised by Coulter was that she would vote for McCain if he picked Romney as his running mate. Do the vehemently anti-McCain members here agree? Would this "heal" the Party, and bring enough Conservatives home to launch a real battle against Billary or Barack?

Would other conservative talkers get on board this ticket as well?


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Vote for Hope!

To have any chance McCain must pick a conservative VP candidate.........

Hunter, Tancredo, Z. Miller, Gingrich, Romney..........

So, then, vote for hope! Then hope, hope hope!

71 YO, beat up bad in Nam, years of campaigning and a beautiful wife .......

Wm. H. Harrison ring a bell?

 

 

Romney seems to have the most momentum of missed opportunity

And though I think he would also make the most powerful counter to the assult from the Dems on McCain's "self professed even" economic short comings - and our economic outlook. That said, I think that in the end, McCain is so stubborn/opinionated/left leaning  - much of Mitt's advice would probably fall on deaf ears, with McCain rather jumping accross the isle to hear the "progressive" solutions from Teddy K and gang. My skepticism, which has been born out by past actions, is justified in my opinion.

Regarding Ann, I enjoy her commentary. I don't always agree with eveything she says - but, she's made/earned her way to the mic, so she's entilted to make her remarks. Besides, you don't weed out the party platform defectors/issues by remaining silent to problems. And anyone saying we shouldn't air our laundry out in the public - to them I say the left (party of investigations) has much more/worse stuff to unveil. Not to mention,  if you remain silent to conflicting/confused and trampled principles - you apparently accept same, as that is concluded. And you can bet the left/Dems will use that against you, again and again. Since the right has staked the claim to adhereing to principles, we are held to them. And unfortunately, the opposite is true for the Dems. Whom, by the way, have no room at all to complain about Ann when their side has many more, and worse vitriolic spewers - they even get their own shows on tv.

I don't really care about the V.P. pick

If he picks Romney it won't matter, they still won't win. If it were Romney with McCain as V.P. then maybe. Romney/Huckabee would have been the best chance. It would have proved to the bigoted left that religious people of different faiths can respect each other an get along.

The V.P. has no effect on Policy especially with someone like McCan. Cheny did with Bush but Bush wasn't the typical egomaniac that usually becomes President. McCain won't give his V.P. any power no matter who it is.

I'll still vote for McCain. I'm not going to be crazy about it but I'm not the least bit happy about it and there isn't anything that can be done to make me happy about it.

 

Let's clear this up about Romney....

I voted for Romney because he was the option in the FIELD.  That doesn't mean he is the best conservative out there.  Far from it.  There are FAR better options for McCain, like Mark Sanford, Haley Barbour, or Marsha Blackburn.  I would like to add Tom McClintock to that list, but he hasn't achieved any higher office than state senator, so he's probably disqualified.

 

"women and minorities hardest hit"

Ann Should Take A Pill

Sometimes we're dealt a bad hand - or, at least, a hand we hate playing.  Too bad.  You never, ever, ever, going against your party.  The rationalizations that McCain will bring the same legislation to the table that the Dems would, and that the Reps in the house and senate would be more inclined to go along with it because McCain has an R after his name does not fly.

People will hate bad laws, and will react against them by voting in new representatives during succeeding elections.  There will be steps forward and steps back, but in a free society adjustments are made to the government over time, through the vote.

Shaping a country takes place over decades - generations - and you have to keep the big picture in mind.

A Democrat president would be infinitely worse than John McCain as president.

You never, ever, ever,

You never, ever, ever, going against your party. [sic]

What is this, The Godfather? (Fredo don't ever take sides against the family.)?

You sound like a liberal: Shut up peasants and do what your betters tell you to do.

I oppose rino's like McCain

I oppose rino's like McCain out of loyalty to the Republican party myself...

And I ALWAYS will:)

Motherbelt

You don't go against them and win.

rammingspeed

You never, ever, ever, going against your party.  

as cheesegrater reminds me below, wasn't it McC and the gang of 14 who went against the party?  Wasn't it McC on ANWR who went against the party?  McCain-Kennedy?  McCain-Feingold?

Best to put the hit on McC there godfather

Supreme Court,  National Security,  Borders,  Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.

Oh, nevermind.....Emily

Oh, nevermind.....Emily Litella

Right, botg. That's one of those rules that, since McCain is poised to be the "party leader," comes into effect NOW.

Otherwise known as "Do as I say; not as I do!"

'comes into effect NOW.'

Are you telling me that the feminazis are going . . oh, no dots, nevermind!   ;0

There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V

rammingspeed...  "You

rammingspeed...

 "You never, ever, ever, going against your party."

You have got to be kidding me. It's because of blind loyalty to the party that we find ourselves in this mess. To hell with the GOP!

The Conservative movement is about to be reborn.

Coulter

NBers,

I clicked on Ann's speech late yesterday, and now have had an opportunity to watch the entire thing.

Before she took questions, Ann spoke for about 22 minutes, and spent virtually the entire time explaining why McCain is not a Republican, is not a Conservative, and is a miserable GOP nominee for President.

As this speech occurred days after Romney withdrew, and McCain appears almost certain to win the nomination, was it appropriate of Coulter to spend her entire speech disparaging the presumptive GOP candidate? Might she have used her time better and more productively by elucidating the Conservative position and how we can not only win the White House in 2008, but also take back one or both chambers of Congress?

I understand fully bashing McCain and pushing Romney BEFORE the latter dropped out of the race. But why do it now that he's out? How does this serve Republicans and, in particular, Conservatives?

Thoughts? ns

I don't know if it serves

I don't know if it serves our party any, but it serves our beliefs just fine, and that's what this party's been about since it was started in the 1800s.  Hell, in the 1800s, we were considered the "Radicals."  Because we wanted an end to slavery, among other things.  I think Thaddeus Stevens and Charles Sumner would have said the same things Ann said (without the humor perhaps, but... :-P ) had they been at that YAF gathering.  We need to stand up for our beliefs, and what's right (literally, and ideologically), regardless of the consequences.  I don't want to see Hillary or Obama in the white house, in fact I have a terrible feeling about what would happen to this country if either makes it.  But then again, I also fear for what would happen to the Republican party if McCain becomes its leader.

 Ah, I'm rambling....more to the point, I don't think there's anything wrong with what she did.  I'm not sure if it hurts us or helps us, but If she feels her beliefs are being treaded upon by the party that claims to support her, she needs to speak up.  And we don't have to worry about Ann not speaking up, spunky gal she is. :-)

Peace

telling the truth always

telling the truth always serves the party well

it's the only thing that will serve the party well

Ann tells the truth - God bless her:)

Yes, she could have used

Yes, she could have used her time better. I was watching online, and I turned her off after about 10 minutes. She should have talked about where to go from here. As it was, it sounded more like a stand-up vent than a speech.

Ann is easier to read than to listen to. She's also better when she's in a discussion. When speaking, ist's like she has a list of topics to hit, and they don't always segue one into the other, so she just kind of pauses and then goes into the next item on the list. She doesn't seem to know what to do when a line doesn't fly....she kind of founders as she goes from one thing to the next (probably a result of that "list of topics" thing).

In short, I don't think she's good at speeches.

And re Steyn: Just because the Democrats are determined to play "catch-up to the Europeans" (with their socialism and multiculturism) is no reason for Republicans to play "catch-up to the Democrats."

'Nuff said.

 

TEN as in 10 minutes you turned her off???????

MB,

Never thought you'd lie...Ann came on stage at 4:23 your last comment to me...

Syrius: "Tap tap tap, is
February 8, 2008 - 16:53 ET by motherbelt

Syrius says: "Tap tap tap, is this thing on?????"

30 minutes by the way...you watched the whole thing, but, tuned out b/c her speech was nothing but ranting & venting. I hope she does better when she's out on the Hillary campaign trail!

I will agree with you, though, her speech was flat and not very well done.

Syrius

 

 

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So the fact that I

So the fact that I commented in the open thread at 16:53 means I was still listening to the webcast of CPAC? That's quite an assumption you're making there....

And why are you trying to keep tabs on me? Are you stalking me?

VP

I think Ms. Coulter has made the case that McCain is NOT a Conservative. Her and the rest of us Conservatives' follow up step should be to make it clear to McCain that, at the least, he'd better pick a Conservative for VP or he's going to lose in November! He knows its his last shot at POTUS. Call it leverage, blackmail, extortion or whatever; its politics! The VP slot is the best Conservatives can hope for now and its something that McCain can't flipflop on i.e. immigration promises, taxes, etc.

Its the hand we've been dealt, our money is in the pot, can't quit now!

 

Coulter's objective

Ann Coulter like Rush Limbaugh has an objective Mr. S as I explained in part below.

Rush in goading McCain to pick liberal Huckabee knows the ticket will go down to defeat and if McCain does not pick Huckabee now he will be a pariah among the southern Christians.

Coulter's motives are the same in explaining why McCain is a bad boy. In doing this at CPAC, she has now laid the groundwork for his liberal demise in McCain must now pick Romney which will do him no good as Conservatives are not that locked into him either and Romney will not win any states for McCain, so the end result is the RINO wing of the party goes down into flames.

Just as Rush said, he does not want to see the Conservatives in Congress have to go through defending another George W. Bush's liberal policies and being burned for it.
Ann Coulter is doing the same.

That is the game being played as 23% John McCain is not doing well. If Virginia blows McCain off he is really in trouble and will have to come begging to the Conservatives.

THAT IS what Coulter and Limbaugh are doing in whipping him into line in public the same way we Conservatives whipped W into line over Harriet Miers. Leaders need to be reminded by the whip who is really in charge and it is the people.

This is why I post and have in contacts floated the idea of Lynn Cheney as Vice President to heal the party if McCain is really serious about winning. Lynn would devastate the voting blocks of the left and is the Maggie Thatcher of our party if the GOP would turn her loose.

Ann Coulter is very bright and uses her influence and position with maximum affects and effect just like Rush Limbaugh does. They are not going to come out and demand they want something nor to say, "I'm going to screw with McCain to teach him a lesson", no they are clever in deniability to always keep their illusion of power in simply getting ahead of where Conservatives are going.

The fact is Obama will get America attacked so she will have to respond with a nuclear swing. Hillary will strike with nukes when attacked and McCain will first strike with nukes. The globalist twins of Gore and Bloomberg will start a war to concentrate power for the globalits.

That is what America faces. I do not want Romney near this as the Conservatives will be blamed. Huckabee is like Carter is wringing his hands of those poor Rosie O terrorists dying of being nuked. The only person who can whack John McCain over the head is Lynn Cheney to get him to selective action so America does not get sucked into this coming Eurasian world war.
It is far better for America to be energy secure under the Cheney plan Bush is initiating, with the Middle East nuclear polluted and American military stores falling into Russian hands than for several hundred thousand American soldiers vaporized which will draw Prez McCain into a full scale war.

Annie was right in Hillary will not loose a war being the first girly president.......the problem is she will vaporize huge portions of Asia and that radioactive dust cloud will be giving our kids cancer as it settles here.

I remember living under the Chinese dust cloud test warnings. There is more to Ann Coulter than the obvious. I just would like her to think of Lynn Cheney..........but then maybe that is why I'm floating her name so it comes not from Ann so the left and McCain can think it is their idea when they read it here.

 

God bless.

 

*HIC IACET ARTORIVS REX QVONDAM REXQVE FVTVRVS

How could one not like, respect Lynnn Cheney

But, in reality - what qualifications/experience would she have to validate a position of V.P.  (Pres actually, just in case of immediate replacement). The Dems would eat that alive - not to mention  - 4 more yrs of a "Cheney"  "Haliburton" "Bush Polices continuation" ect... and lose a big chunk of Independents?  Doesn't seem very logical to me, anyway. As predictable, the MSM has already started pointing out the "economic guru" has been rejected for a senator - to not find a solid economic conservative and whiz, will be a big mistake, again to me anyway. It would be even more note worthy if this was a woman/minority figure, and could really help the ticket (as long as they are not another open border advocate, which will cause some backlash). As to the end result of Washington's actions anyway - I will withhold judgement out of experience of being burned repeatedly. 

The 1 thing that might make me think about voting for McAmnesty

Would be making Ann Coulter his VP. :)

I'm voting Republican

I'm voting Republican regardless. That is unless a viable third party candidate shows up. I'm far from a McCain fan, but the other options are very much worse than he.   

Mitt's classy speech was

Mitt's classy speech was clearly (well, to me) a subtle pitch for V.P...

SHOULD McCain want him.

But it's doubtful that he is wanted. By all insider reports of those in the know, John simply will not brook being surrounded by anything but yes men.

I think Mitt's mature enough to bite the bullet that is McCain, but can anyone really see McCain doing that for the benefit of conservatives?

Check out my exclusive edit of BBC News America's interview with Mrs Clinton: It's news to me!

Lynn Cheney for Vice President

Newsbusters is making a mistake in grouping people as "vehmently anti McCain" as I do not believe for a moment the majority here are anti McCain..........what they are is pro American Republic, pro Ronald Reagan and John McCain just happens to be an American who is the one who is anti Ronald Reagan Conservative.

There is a vast difference in being pro American and anti McCain, because the people here for the most part are not negative. They are passionate to the point of inspired criticism of John McCain, but it comes from a love of country.

To state people here are anti McCain is like saying people who have children are anti them driving drunk in putting their car into a tree. McCain's policy is drunk driving and people here are simply trying to save the American child from his bad policy.

I have stated a week ago that John McCain must put in a Conservative and I have been pushing for Lynn Cheney. She is accomplished in writing, debate, is vetted, is foreign policy sound with the American Enterprise Institute and touches the sodomite issues in her own family as well as having dealt with the Reaganite issues of dealing with America's domestic policy.

Lynn Cheney would rip a gaping hole in the left feminist party when Hillary does not win the nomination........and if she could convince the cartel to allow her yet..........well who do you think Americans will vote for, the bitch Hillary who mirrors all the hurt in American families or Lynn Cheney who appears like a national Mom next door.

Lynn is a win win for the GOP.

Rush has been floating Huckabee for the simple reason he wants that leftist McCain and RINO Huckabee factions to go down in flaming defeat to end their games in the GOP.

Coulter is pushing McCain to offer him a way to show Conservatives he is real and not this maniac everyone knows he is.
If he chooses Romney though, Coulter knows very well like Rush that he will loose as Huck's pulpit pounders will not vote just like when Bush 41 told the Evangelicals to shut up and go away.

You have to understand Ann Coulter and Rush. They are 10 steps ahead of this game and are screwing with McCain as he screws with them.

I have offered a way to win this and the person is Lynn Cheney. McCain picks her and the party heals as Conservatives trust Dick as he has proven himself for us time and again.

Hillary is kaput. Obama will be kaput as the intention of the cartel as I predicted last year was to fragment the parties which they have done. Obama may be allowed to "win" this as it enters the convention, but a dark horse in Al Gore is still waiting in the wings.

Just remember that Patrick Fitzgerald is investigating Obama and that Hillary has money fraud and sex tapes floating around.

The illusion one sees is not how this will shape up come August. The cartel has backed McCain, Obama to coup Hillary, Al Gore in the wings and Mike Bloomberg to make a quad of globalists in this election.
I will repeat they fully intend to elect a Hugo Chavez loon with 23% of the vote if necessary to carry out their policies.

They now have 4 Hugo's in the race. Exactly as planned in 4 dripping global socialists aka communists.

 

 

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Nope, as a conservative from

Nope, as a conservative from Cochise County AZ, I AM anti McCain.  He long ago ceased to respresent ME in the senate.

BD

I read you loud and clear. In November go to the polls, skip the pres box and then vote the ticket

Delsa

You guys should read a real clear politics article by Debra Saunders. She identifies all of you as "the kiddie wing of the gop". You want osama to destroy Iraq and this country, will that assuage all your one issue agendas? Then have at it, get your pound of flesh, and retire to oblivion and libs forever...if we have a country left.

Ann Coulter is right about

Ann Coulter is right about almost everything, but she is horribly wrong about not voting for McCain even though McCain is a pretty worthless Republican (e.g., McCain-Feingold Political Speech Suppression Act, the "global warming" hoax, GITMO, economic policy, amnesty for illegals, pro-human experimentation, his love for the leftist Washington press corps, etc.).  Also, Coulter's claim that Hillary Clinton is "more conservative" than McCain on the war on terror is a joke.  Clinton would unconditionally surrender to America's enemies and then brag about such a surrender.  The most important reason to vote for McCain is the federal judiciary.  Although there is certainly no guarantee about the quality of judges that McCain would nominate, there is an absolute guarantee that Clinton would nominate only the most lawless leftist freaks to the federal judiciary who would, without fail, impose their fundamentalist leftist religious cult on the country, notwithstanding the United States Constitution.

To Rammingspeed

Senator McCain went against the party long before Ann did.

First off I am not

First off I am not anti-McCain, I am anti-liberal.  McCain as a Repub candidate is not even my fifth choice as he is a lib and a dishonest one at that.  At least Rudy had the decency to be honest about his liberalism.  So here we are being presented with a fait accompli after having our nomination process manipulated by liberals.  The basic question at this point is McCain any kind of leader?  Does he even understand the concept?   No my friends it is NOT what we have to put up with to vote for McCain, is what McCain has in mind where to lead the country with us supporting him in it.  If McCain doesn't under the nuance, he isn't a conservative and doesn't merit our support.    Lord Sidious / Darth Vader 2008  Long Live the Empire!  Come to the Dark Side, it is your Destiny.

Hysterically Speaking.....When Conservative voters stay home

History ........ as in RECENT ..... taught us that in 2006 if the Conservatives stay home, we put Reid and Pelosi in charge via their majority numbers.  Some were very very close votes when the 2006 votes were counted. 

We (Conservatives) don't wanna stay home on the Presidential day of voting.  There are other Votes on Local representative going to Washington.  Assuming McCain is a Liberal, we should send in a Republican conservative Congress and Senate to offset a Liberal president.  

There are more people to elect than just a President.

If someone is shooting at you, you don't abandon the position and leave your ammo behind.  You make a Strategic Retreat ... 

Besides, in another 6 months B-HO and his Congressional company may have Ratings lower than BUSH. 

We would have to consult the great Divinity Leon for his opinion on this, as Leonitsky is on a roll ... the MSM brainwashed him into predicting McCain would win the nomination.    

Stimulis: Congress and the president are now agreed on remedies that will not work, expending money they do not have, to fix a problem that may not exist.  Steve Chapman 

Steyn

NBers,

Steyn quoted a marvelous statement by Gerald Ford:

"A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take away everything you have!"

And then he said that there's an intermediate stage, which is where most of Europe is today:

"A government big enough to give you everything you want isn't big enough to get you to give it all back."

What this means is that in Europe, even though the demographics and the economics point to a financial collapse as a result of their entitlement programs, governments aren't able to convince their citizens to give back what is soon to be unaffordable.

Wonderful! And THAT'S what this election should be about, for if America doesn't see what's happening in Europe as a foreshadowing of things to come here, capitalism will be replaced by socialism for decades to come!

And THAT'S what Billary and Barack want!!! ns

Europe (including the UK)

Europe (including the UK) is now operating its own new MAD doctrine of Mutually Assured Dhimmitude.

The examples are legion, here's just three from last week.

#1. Britain's welfare state is now so bloated, that 6 million people (one tenth the population) are PERMANENTLY on welfare. They are not only unemployable.. they don't even want a job.

#2. The government has decided that although POLYGAMY is still a crime, Muslims with up to four wives can get full welfare "benefits" for each wife. This is NOT a SNL joke.

#3. The Archbishop of Canterbury twinned with Mecca... say no more.

Check out my exclusive edit of BBC News America's interview with Mrs Clinton: It's news to me!

Steyn

Steyn,

Another great point: Is it more selfish of me to want to keep my money by virtue of lower taxes, or someone wanting to get MY money by raising MY taxes?

The liberals claim the high-road in taxation by painting conservatives as selfish. But which is actually more selfish: wanting to keep what's yours or demanding that you receive what's not? ns

Noel, that quote, IIRC

Isn't from Ford, it's from Barry Goldwater. And some of us, speaking of Goldwater's ideas and selfishness, happen to think an inflation-tax imposed on future generations might be a bit selfish.
JMR

If this is winning, I think I'd rather lose...

Now that's thinking

Such a view of Europe, shows us that when Europe surges ahead with Big Govt., Socialism, Govt. medicine, Guaranteed Jobs, Zero Population growth thru abortion, open immgration policies for Koran toting immigrants,  and leaves behind the USA conservatives pushing down taxes and entitlements.  We can learn lessons being taught by European policies.  It's obvious to the most casual observer.... but no ones looking . . .

Europe is years ahead in implementing Liberal policies.

Let us be like Kindergarteners, and ask Europe to bring forth their results to "Show and Tell".

As Steyn says...

"A government big enough to give you everything you want isn't big enough to get you to give it all back."

When the money for the Entitlements in Europe runs out. . . What happens ?  The Government suddenly makes lines form at the Doctors office and Hospitals, and people run around with Bad Teeth.

What happens when the Social Security entitlements run out in America ?  The US Govt. isn't Big enough to overcome the votes of the Baby Boomers . . . they've got the Govt. out numbered.  

 

Stimulis: Congress and the president are now agreed on remedies that will not work, expending money they do not have, to fix a problem that may not exist.  Steve Chapman 

Noel, In my opinion, Mark

Noel, In my opinion, Mark Steyn is the best thing to come out of Canada since Bobby Orr!

LOL

The VP spot

A VP  candidate has to be someone who has political clout and can be able to win certain states by their own persona. 

Romney is the rational choice for VP. He now has the exposure he didn't have when the campaign started. He is without a doubt the smartest candidate in both parties, and he has a dedicated following that would work their butts off for him.

Some of the other candidates suggested are way off the chart.

Tancredo is one dimensional. Haley Barbour is a competent man no doubt but he would have to have  someone to translate his mushmouth Mississippi accent.

Hunter is a good guy but no pep.

Newt would not take it and has heavy moral baggage

Pawlenty and others in that  category are not known even in their own state.

Elmer Gantry Huckabee is a charlatan and snake oil salesman and would be an embarassment to the ticket except in the minds of his brainwashed followers.

VP

What's Mike Pence doing these days?

Chai

“...Bury me on my face,” said Diogenes; and when he was asked why, he replied, “Because in a little while everything will be turned upside down.”

VP

Hopefully Mike Pence is reading up on the Vice Presidency.

LOL

Elmer Gantry Huckabee - LOL

re VP

What's your take on George Allen?

As unfortunate, and ridiculous as it is

His macca moment has been quite damaging. It will no doubt fill the air again. I can see the NY Times headlines "A stubborn old man and a bigot are going to be the ticket for the Republicans". As unfair as that is - that is an angle they would pound again and again. But, the only way to know is to test George's acceptance now vs past. He never really lost it from the conservatives - but he offended some crossovers/independents/minorities - that loss would have to be weighed against the conservative pickup. It would seem that given the state of our economy and its importance, he needs to shore up his admitted short coming in that department. But, he's a Maverick - who knows what he will do (which is one of the problems).

I still like Ann Coulter

Not only do people want us to vote for McCain reluctantly, now we're told we can't complain about him either.

I agree with Jason Lewis. For two weeks leading up to this, talk radio and conservative bloggers railed against McCain nonstop. Now that he has the nod, we're all supposed to say "I was just kidding." This party loyalty stuff is a trip.

Candance

C,

Is anyone telling you not to complain? Please show me where that's happening here?

I don't think it is, and apologize if that's how it's coming across. Instead, folks like me who believe this is indeed a fight for our lives -- and our kids' lives!!! -- want to know when the bickering stops, and the campaign to defeat Billary or Barack begins?

We're supposed to fight during the primaries, but once they end -- and, for all intents and purposes, they ended Wednesday when Mitt withdrew -- we get together and defeat the bigger enemy.

If folks are free to continue complaining -- as they certainly are -- shouldn't those of us that want to pull together for the sake of the nation be allowed to do so while advocating a cease-fire? ns

Don't forget Stalin.

Don't forget Stalin.

Yes Noel and I'm glad there are people like you out there

who have the strength to do it. I'll never be able to sing his praises but we need people who can. I have and will continue to argue that he is better than Obama.

Dee

Dee,

I have not yet begun to fight!

I will work 24 hours a day, seven days a week for the next nine months doing EVERYTHING POSSIBLE to defeat Billary or Barack.

As I've stated here several times the past couple of weeks, we are in a battle between capitalism and socialism, as well as between a strong national defense and appeasement. If we lose, the Dems will do everything within their power to bring us back to the '30s so that they can create more and more social programs that bind Americans to them and to government for decades to come.

I have a 19-year-old son, and a 14-year-old daughter that deserve to live in a country that extols life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness -- NOT socialism. If we don't win this fight, our kids are doomed to a standard of living WELL below what we've enjoyed the past three decades.

That's not what I've worked so hard to leave for them. ns

Noel - I just had the thought based on my comment to Candance

That we could possibly win with the slogan of "McCain Sucks but he's better than Obama"

If conservatives continue to speak out against him but say they will vote for him anyway then the media won't be able to switch gears and portray him as a right wing nut. You know they will do that if we get behind him. Then mind numb followers will switch to Obama as the so called media defined moderate.

We need to gain more than conservative votes if McCain is going to have a chance at winning.

 

Dee

Dee,

Actually, I think there's a bigger danger in us continually saying he sucks, for that's what's going to be repeated by the media once his nomination is assured. This is why they've paid so much attention to what Rush, Sean, Ann, et al have been saying.

By contrast, if Rush, Sean, et al come home, and unite vigorously behind the battle to stop Billary/Barack, media will stop covering them, for they're only newsworthy when they speak the liberal meme.

Think about it: as much as true conservatives believe it is truly conservative to point out McCain's short-comings, in reality, it is likely more liberal for such opinings will indeed be covered MUCH MORE by the press than support for the Arizona senator. As such, the best way for conservatives NOT to play into the media's hands is actually to get behind McCain, and start saving all their vitriol and animus for Billary/Barack. ns

Noel - I'm not so sure because independents are breaking left

now. They have had 8 years of brainwashing. The media successfully portrayed Bush as a right wing nut even though he is pretty liberal. He's as liberal as McCain actually. The only difference is he doesn't run around trashing conservatives.

I didn't have a problem supporting Bush even though I didn't agree with all of his policies because he was an honest and professional man who didn't bad mouth people. He didn't hide his liberal positions when he campaigned. I actually agree with Bush and McCain on immigration but McCain calls his critics racist and I think that is despicable. Bush didn't do that. He is honorable and it makes me sick how the media have portrayed him.

McCain will be easier to portray as a nut because he actually is one. The media will ignore all his liberal positions and portray him as someone who wants to nuke the world.

If we can find a way to keep the media from portraying him as a right wing nut and yet still get conservatives to vote for him then we could have a chance. I agree that bad mouthing him can backfire.

I really don't know what to do the whole thing just seems so hopeless to me right now. After venting for a while, I'll probably just keep myself quiet, fade into the background and reluctantly vote for him.

A vote is a wonderful thing....don't waste it on B-HO

A non Vote, in 2006 was a VOTE for Pelosi/Reid to Lead Congress. . . . . Live and Learn. 

A Vote is a Terrible thing to Waste.   

Relax, calm down, listen to Rush and Ann, and prepare to vote in 9 months or SO. . . . Heck, by that time Obama will have pissed you off so much, it won't be a problem.

JT

Relax, calm down, listen to Rush and Ann, and prepare to vote in 9 months or SO. . . . Heck, by that time Obama will have pissed you off so much, it won't be a problem.

LMAO!

You are exactly right...earlier this morning I was talking to my other half  about McCain and politics ect...I said one thing about it. the msm and the leftist candidates will have us so mad by the time the election comes around  we will be voting in droves....if it was in a month or two, it wouldn't happen, but with nine months to go, there will be plenty of time to fire anyone with a brain up... this is also the way the republican behind the scenes big-wigs plan it too. 

bIG tIMEr

I am not looking forward to 9 months of the MSM push for whoever the Dem. Nominee turns out to be. 

NB's staff are going to be put on Overtime trying to keep up with the Lies and Sex Scandals (only if Billary wins).

Obama may be a rock Star, but Bill knows how to handle the Groupies, expecially since Bill has arranged to campaign in a State different than  Hillary. 

Hillay is Pimping out Bill ? ?   

Dee

Dee,

OK. Let's assume the media start depicting McCain as being a conservative. Won't that be great for us?

Look, the GOP turnout numbers so far appear unfavorable, right? Well, why is this? Is it just because the Republican candidates haven't evoked enthusiasm from the right? Or, is it more because the Party out of power is always more energized during the primary season?

Let's assume it's the latter. What this means to me is that Reps are waiting on the sidelines to see how the smoke clears before they start paying a lot of attention. If the media start depicting McCain as being far more conservative than Billary/Barack, that's wonderful!

In fact, I would suggest to you that they've boxed themselves in a bit. If they continue to characterize McCain as being moderate, this might take votes away from Billary/Barack. If, on the other hand, they start depicting him as extremely conservative, this could motivate conservatives to vote for him.

Either way, this could help him. Make sense? ns

Yes it makes sense Noel but it also follows that either way

can hurt him. I wish I had your optimism and that is one of the reasons I come to Newsbusters because I'm very pessimistic being surrounded by liberals all the time. I watched my state go from Red to Blue and it's so blue now that it will never be red again. I fear that is what is happening nationally. When the libs get control, they actively pass anti-competitive type things to keep themselves in power. In IL it was the gerrymandering of districts and appointment of Judges. Nationally it will be McCain Feingold, Fairness doctrine, Supreme Court Judges and media obedience.

The media and Hollywood have been winning and I don't see us doing enough to stop it. Bush narrowly won in 2004 when it should have been a landslide. I can't see how McCain can win unless we outsmart the media and we haven't been doing that. We need to do more than complain about it. We need to rise up some how.

Dee

Yes there is a bit of media bias, but you can't completely blame the media for the way they portray Bush.

It was Bush that bungled up the attorney firings. He could have said, yes they are gone because i wanted them gone and left it at that. Instead he had to say the firings were not political and there was a investigation. The former AG is gone, Deputy AG is gone and at least 2 more resignations.

He could have pardened Scooter Libby as soon as he was found guility of perjury, but no...he had to be a coward and waste tax payers money and wait until the appeals process was denied before he communed his sentence and obviously will parden him on his last day of office.

If I remember correctly all the feelings were very warm and fuzzy on this site regarding Bush until he p**sed off conservatives with the whole immigration debacle. His 29 percent approval rating is not just because of the msm Dee.

Nobody messes with Superman

Shawn - Bush could have been better at handling the media but

Shawn - Bush could have been better at handling the media but that doesn't make it his fault. The media put him in a no win situation with the Attorney firings. They didn't do that to Clinton. There wasn't an investigation under Clinton because Republicans knew it was within his rights. Democrats did it only because they knew they had the media as allies to make it look sinister.

As far as Scooter Libby, President Bush wanted Libby to be cleared (as he should have been) through the courts. He had faith that the court system would not convict an innocent man. He was wrong.

No one has any right to be mad at Bush on immigration. He campaigned in 2000 and 2004 on the guest worker program. It's fine to disagree with him, but he ran on it. The media were despicable and tried to portray his plan as a racist hardline plan when it was the moderate position. The media should have been all over the Dems who apposed it especially Hillary and Obama and they weren't. They apposed it for no other reason then they didn't want Bush to get credit for fixing it.
Bush didn't try to sneak anything through and I am one of the few (if not the only one) on NB that agreed with his plan. I think people made a big mistake apposing it because now nothing will happen. They will keep coming and working in the free for all that they have enjoyed for many years.

Dee, did you see the other

Dee, did you see the other posting here; the one with the 4 "real people" on the "Today" show? One Republican woman actually said McCain needs to reach out to moderates now.

That was "duct tape time" for me!

MB - That is too funny - McCain needs to reach out to moderates?

The media charge has already started. He'll be branded as a right wing nut case.

→ Taiwan

Where is that war of words over Taiwan?

Any chance the Asian Connection has already cut a deal with the Clintons for that little plum?  The Obama camp is a foregone nonstudy in flaccidity.

While we're beating a hasty retreat from Iraq, what are the chances?

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Let me throw this in the blender

of 'in the future' pick for VP - we've been so concerned with J McL's choice (wait 'til we hear he was tortured in Viet Nam), who might be the more moderate liberal choice for either of the other two?

Here in Joisey, we just had a photo op of OUR libs with the hillperson, and we have a gov who is borrowing mucho mucho bucks to pay off a mucho debt - financial wizards they ain't, so I sees your point what will be left to the wee ones, expecially if a (D) gets elected. We already know hillperson will "take those profits" from big oil/buisnes - how much will she take from us "common folk"??

Is it possible, as Rush as opined, that if the demolibs win, the rest of the country, those who don't normally focus on politics, will then understand what demolibs/socialists really stand for, or will they be lead around by their wallets?

There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V

Fast Ed - you can't rely on that

Every problem will be spun as because of something Bush did. They will get more middle class people addicted to government handouts and believing that they can't survive without the government. Once government handouts are given they are almost never taken away. People start believing that it's the governments responsibility to take care of them.

That is what has happened with the African American community. They don't believe in themselves. It's not because they are stupid, they are dependent and when large amounts of white people become dependent also they will have stopped believing in themselves also.

normally I would agree,

but here in the Great Rotten Garden State, the gov is going to borrow $36 Billion to pay down a $32 Billion debt! More to pay off less? There is a reason why people are leaving, even with the hand-out you mention, the taxes are hitting everyone, especially retail, where all the "poor" shop. Gotta wonder, how is it demolibs are so economically stupid??

There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V

FE

FE,

Sure, but I think it's dangerous, and very risky.

Let's understand that when Clinton came to power in 1993, the country was still moving to the right, and was in a smaller government mode. That was Perot's appeal. Also, though Clinton talked about how bad the economy was, in reality, the recession ended in 1991, and by the time he was inaugurated, we were in full recovery mode.

Add it all up, and at the time, we had a growing economy, and a nation moving to the right despite Clinton's Perot-assisted victory. As such, when Bill went against his campaign promise and actually raised taxes, while at the same time, Hillary pushed for a universal healthcare program, the nation revolted, and gave Congress back to the GOP for the first time in decades.

By comparison, today we have a nation clearly moving to the left because of the war, an economy teetering on recession, and baby boomers about to retire. This, to me, makes it more likely that the citizenry is ripe for government handouts as opposed to against them.

So, if we send Billary/Barack to the White House, and the economy worsens, I worry that the current environment would make people look more towards government to solve their problems. This is especially true if those problems can't be continually blamed -- rightly or wrongly -- on Bush's failures AND the war.

As such, I think it FAR less likely that ceding the White House to the Dems in 2008 will help the GOP in 2010 or 2012. Make sense? ns

Noel - I agree with what you say here 100%

I would just add that Billy boy was far more conservative than Hillary and Obama (especially Obama). He did let conservative programs go through without vetoing like welfare reform, NAFTA, and the balanced budget.

I actually can't think of any major new entitlements under Clinton. With Hillary or Barak it will be quite different.

"Make sense?" - yes,

(here it comes) but we have to take into effect what is happening with the old media, vs. new media and how news is being perceived. True, there is a vast majority(?) of people who only get concerned with politics at the last moment. However, with the rise of the new media, there is a larger amount of people getting more info then they did with the oldsters, (admitting there is the nutroots) so there is a chance that what has happend in the past  .  .

As the third largest state via population, Joisey is starting to see what hapens when handouts (mostly to political friends and govt workers and union teachers) get out of hand. Even the "lower" classes are seeing the bite, especially at the discount retail hangouts. When taxes go up on transportation, the additional costs are being passed along. AND, people take notice when a financial genius as our gov has been called, says he won't cut spending until "pigs fly", we gather at the state house and show him that pigs, especially in Trenton, NJ, do know how to fly.

There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V

Noel

It seems before he got the nomination, whenever anyone on this site said anything good about McCain or touted his conservative credentials, that person usually got flamed and it turned into a spittling match.

Now that he almost officially has nomination, the flames are still continuing. I am still waiting to see the debates between the McCain and the Democratic nominee before I decide who I will vote for. My point is lots of people on this site feel, it is better to destroy the conservative party then rebuild it. I have heard at least 10 popular members of this site that said they will not vote for McCain under any circumstance.  Even though I don't consider myself conservative that is very strange logic. Before you know it s there might be 2-3 liberal judges on the SCOTUS.

Nobody messes with Superman

Shawn

S,

Yep. Regardless of what your views of McCain are, if a conservative SCOTUS is important to you, you can't possibly put Billary or Barack in the position of nominating judges. Period!

Honestly, that folks aren't ceding this point astounds me, or do you want more Ginsburgs and Breyers? ns

ns -- we all know at least

ns -- we all know at least three of the Supremes are only being kept "ticking over" by the most extreme methods, which expire the moment a Democrat gets in the White House.

Though if one were so conspiracy minded -- has the 75 year old Ginsburg actually been seen in public recently?

Check out my exclusive edit of BBC News America's interview with Mrs Clinton: It's news to me!

Noel

Totally agree Noel, Some folks even go as far to say McCain will nominate judges just as liberal as Hilary. I have seen lots of people diss this anology, but the "taking your ball and going home" attitude is totally what is going on here. Not many people are looking at the bigger picture. Obama says he start withdrawing troops right away, when McCain says we will stay there as long as needed. Sounds like a pretty big difference to me.

I hope at the very least, the liberals that are rubbing there hands in glee and pre maturely celebrating a Presidential victory in November will motivate people to vote 

Nobody messes with Superman

Shawn no one is taking their balls and going home

Shawn. We will all go to the polls and in 9 months we will either vote for McCain or we won't. We will however, vote for our fellow republicans on our respective ballots. Voting for McCain may or may not happen but all other votes will be cast.

Voting is a right I take personally so i will be at the polls. McCain will only win if he goes up against Hillary because Obama has the country fooled and Hillary doesn't

Delsa

If a person truly thinks Hilary is a better choice and they vote her her, good for them. However if someone votes for Hilary out of protest or does not vote at all for the party of their choice, that is taking your ball and going home.

Nobody messes with Superman

Shawn Never fot for someone in protest

Never vote for someone in protest. I could never support that back- ass- ward thinking!

 

delsa

This is a free country and you are have the right protest anything you like. If you do not like how the Clinton adminstration is handling things next yr, you should not have the right to complain, because you are partially responsible for her in the White House.

Nobody messes with Superman

Shawn- she has not been even nominated yet

Shawn,

 Hillary has not even been nominated by her party yet much less won a seat in the WhiteHouse.

She will not win if i have anything to say about it and if she should be the Dem nominee, she will loose to McCain by loosing democrat voters who CAN'T STAND THE BITCH!

Get it???

Pardon my French

Delsa

I was just using that as a example. I am a Obama fan and not a big Hilary fan. I am surprised by your statement about Hilary not winning if she gets the nomination. Unlike GOP voters, Democrats are united and will back whoever the nominee is.

You can never tell what will happen in the election, anything can happen in 9 months. Whoever would have predicted McCain would be the probable GOP nominee?

Nobody messes with Superman

Shawn what i mean is

What i mean is this Shawn.

Hillary is left, not as left as Obama but he sounds reasonable. That being said, Hillary is NOT liked by very many people in her own party and if it is a choice between Hillary and McCain, a great many democrats will vote for McCain.

Many democrat women i know will NEVER vote for Hillary and even more men will not. That is why i think McCain will beat her and have more difficulty agianst your guy.

Watch the Clintos if she has fewer delegates. They will slit throats to prevent the nomination going to Obama.

Delsa

I believe Obama would be harder to beat than Clinton, I am just trying to say that Obama or Hillary can beat any GOP candidate in the General Election. Even if Edwards got the nod he would win.

We are sliding into a recession, most of the time the POTUS usually takes the heat for that, and it will be no different for Bush. Huh what? Bush isn't running??? Well make no mistake he defininitely is on this ballad. From the irresponsible fiscal spending, to the attorney firings, his immigration debacle etc will all be focus points and the Republicans will pay the price just like 06.

Since McCain has the support of many independents moderates, if he can rally the Republican faithful, he might have a small shot.

Nobody messes with Superman

Shawn The media predicted McCain

The state contests first played out were in Northern liberal states where EVERYONE and ANYONE could vote in Republican events.

The party leaders made sure liberal states went first and the media made sure to slime Romney and there  you go. McCain wins. Who knows? maybe he'll fall under his streight talk express. just say'in

Noel...another

Noel...another pro-business, liberal/moderate like Breyer would be nice.  Ginsburg [Orrin Hatch's choice] is maybe a little too far left for my tastes.  In any event, there is a 99% per cent probablity the 87 yr. old, liberal Stevens will be gone regardless of who becomes president.  Consequently, the court is likely to continue to be controlled by conservatives.

BTW, I'm still waiting for someone to explain why the MSM, if it truly wants a Democrat to be president, championed McCain as the Republican nominee, when national polls have consistently shown that he is the only potential GOP candidate capable of beating Hillary.

Jer

Jer

Jer,

I'm heading out to dinner. Can I get back to you on that? ns

Noel...Absolutely. 

Noel...Absolutely.  Enjoy.

Jer

Jer

Jer,

The conservative conventional wisdom on this issue is that the MSM pushed their most acceptable GOP candidate in so that they couldn't lose.

Think of it this way: Right now, it's probably 50-50 that a Dem or Rep will win, right? Since 2000, that's how close elections have been. As such, by advocating McCain, the MSM figure they can't lose. No matter what happens, someone they like will end up in the White House.

Sure, they'd probably rather have HRH or BO. But, since it's almost 50-50, why not push forward their most favored GOP candidate?

Make sense? ns

People need to just calm down - as suggested??

This is not new news - but, everyone with problems with McCain cannot be expected to just turn off those strong disagreements immediately. As a minimum there is an expected venting time - as in any similar situation of democratic processes.

Both sides have points of merit - neither can tell the other what to do - it just has to deflate over time. I feel most republicans will unite, no doubt - but, a certain amount of damage to independents and minorities has already occurred because of our current situation, at least. So, what we can offer the future for them to get their vote is really outside this in-fighting, to a large degree, and less an issue (imo). But, in a party of component parts, each have the right to press for their convictions, in order to keep the party platform on track. To just go silently into the night, takes your issues with you, as well. Some will not vote for McCain - its as simple as that. But, others that will, still need their venting period.

r4us  Thank you.... put

r4us

 Thank you.... put my exact feelings about McCain, venting, our individual convictions and so forth appropriately in your well-worded post...especially about some of us going silently into the night...which I will never do, it is an impossibility for me.

Wished I could write like you, since I can't I thank you once again.

bigtimer - Thank you.... but

Thank you... but don't sell yourself short. You produce well defined points, yourself. Still, I am flattered by your remarks. Thx

Noel Sheppard

Amen, amen, amen. Bickering among Repubs is another arrow in the Dems quiver.

I agree Candance - I was never a big fan of Coulter

I agree with a lot of what she says but the way she says it offends so many people that she sometimes does more harm than good.

In this case, I can't blame her at all for Speaking out against McCain. If she starts speaking for him she'll turn moderates off anyway. There is nothing wrong with those of us who don't like him being vocal about it.

I think it's crazy not to vote for him or to sit out, but I'm not going to be singing his praises. I'll point out why he's better than Obama but I'll never be able to be excited about him.

Ann + Mark

I thought both speeches were wonderful. I especially enjoyed Mark question & answer segment. I really think that Ann is just trying to make a point. We all know that socialized medicine would be horrible. Maybe it's Hill's way of decreasing the surplus population. Now Fred has endorsed McCain.... hmmm.... strategy? We can only hope.

A vote for McCain is a vote for impeachment

she would vote for McCain if he picked Romney as his running mate.

This comment was followed by, "I led one impeachment, I can lead another." Hardly a ringing endorsement.

Freedom is a vital component of human effectiveness and fulfillment.

I worry Mitt would be on the loosing ticket

Somehow i just do not see McCain winning against either hillary or obama.

I believe hillary will steal the nomination away form Obama by insisting Florida delegates be counted. Today is a big day for Obama and i wish him well. In the end the democrats will not let him in the white house.

 Should Obama sneek in he will beat McCain

→ Don't do that Delsa!

You're lifting my hopes up. 

For Obama to have the nomination snatched away from him by the crooked Dean/McCauliffe/Clinton machine would be bloodsport most sublime.

♣ a seal

Yo Blood Spot

You know Cool Arrow, I just can't see the racist Clintons and their ilk in the Democrat party, let the boy have the crown.

 

Blood sport is the game the Clinton's play. Ft M. Oarkj ring a bell?

We shall see

I can Delsa

I can see it when they pry the voting lever from their cold, politically dead hands.

Come to think of it, they'll have to remove voting machines from graveyards too.

♣ a seal

How True Cool

An you know the democrats, they do know how to raise the dead

Mark Steyn for the first

Mark Steyn for the first undocumented President in the USA!

I enjoyed every minute of his speech and the question and answer period, same as I did of Ann's.

Steyn has been one of my favorites since I have first heard him on Rush...he said it all in a nutshell as far as I am concerned...loved his references to GW also...we can't control the borders during code orange, but we can change the very heavens themselves if the temp. changes by a degree...

I loved his words about where we are headed with the left when it comes to complete socialism using the guy in France who kept his 94 year old mothers body in the house for five years to collect her govt. checks...his reference to Hill's Health care plan taking longing to read than dying of cancer itself was hilarious! He is right about the leftists controlling all the significant levers in this country to keep control too...

I also very much agree with his words about mosques being opened here in this country all over the place....and worldwide, being funded by oil money all for their ideology to kill the infidels....not allowing any Christian church's to be built in oh say Riad for example...his reference to calling the college kid a twerp sipping latte with their bumper stickers calling Bush Hitler and our govt. really was behind the WTC bombings....

 It was great all the way around...as usual when it comes to a great mind like his...like he said, if his book is a crime, he is guilty and proud to be so!

bt did you see this

bt did you see this yesterday?

This is what Steyn is talking about. Britain relies on immigrants (as does France) to have enough people in the work force to generate taxes for the their entitlement-heavy socialist systems. And, many of those immigrants are Muslims, who don't want to assimilate.

They are capitulating, big time. (no personal jab intended LOL)

It's already starting here, and we don't even have their huge numbers yet....no dogs in Muslim-driven taxis, no passengers carrying liquor. In a couple of places the Muslim prayer call is broadcast outdoors over loudspeakers 5 times a day.

This is why I think it will happen here someday too, like it seems imminent in England: "Sharia law....not by conquest.. capitulation." (I used to say by "abdication" but I think "capitulation" fits better.)

mb... Saying this seems

mb...

Saying this seems unavoidable is a crying shame...I used to watch the House of Commons quite a bit when Blair was in...I saw the fights within about the Muslims invading ect...libs seem to still have their heads where the sun doesn't shine...at the expense of all of us..they are and have been working on us for a very long time here, it will continue until it is too late it seems, one way or the other.

I was furious and posted as such when Pres. Bush went to some ceremony or such with CAIR...I posted a link then, don't have it anymore.

Spooky all the way 'round. 

Still undecided about voting for McCain

I'm still weighing the arguments. Once I hear about his VP short-list I'll give it some more thought. His pick might make a difference, but I doubt it.

Besides, I live in Washington state. It doesn't matter who I vote for in the Pres. race. The Dem. will win. And even if the Rep. gets more votes, the Dem. will win in the recount.

Right now, I'm leaning toward an under-vote in the Pres. race in November.

Oh, well. I'm off to the Rep. caucuses. I'm sure it will be a waste of time, but maybe I'll get a chance to meet the other conservative who shows up.

Carrying A Torch?

Ann needs to get over her crush on Mitt.  She's not his type.

I will turn her around,

I will turn her around, NoMore. She will see that I am her TRUE love.

Carrying a torch?

LOL. I have been thinking the exact same thing when she introduced him at his last speech. I think Ann lusts (sorry,I mean love's) Mitt Romney for real.

If you guys can't vote for Mccain...

Look guys, if you cannot bring yourself to vote for McCain, at least go to the polls and vote all other R's into office. Someone has to be in the loyal opposition not matter who wins the top office.

 

We have to keep the senate so we can block leftist judges.Remember it now takes 60 votes. to pass anything in the Senate. We need to keep our majority no matter what!!!

 

Howdy Delsa... I just

Howdy Delsa...

I just wanted to mention that we don't have the majority now in either House and most likely will not get it in the Senate, not with 22 repub's up for reelection or vacancies... my hope is for the House though...and hopefully keeping as close as possible to helping maintain what we do have in the Senate....

I do think that the majority of all NBs will vote for this very reason alone.

Howdy yourself Bigtimer

I know you are right about all of us voting.

If obama gets his nomination, he'll bring very enthusiastic voters to the polls and they will pull the lever for democrats all the way.

So we have to show up at the polls to combat them. At the very least, we need to keep our slim filibuster majority in the Senate and increase our numbers in the congress.

 

 

Delsa... Yep...the

Delsa...

Yep...the Supreme Court Judges are of utmost priority.

I'll vote, just not for McCain unless he picks a very conservative running mate.

McCain might rate high with the ACU but that is a quarter century record I think...I know in the last five to six years it couldn't possibly be considered conservative...unless they rate liberally...lol.

you are FUNNY

You are Funny Bigtimer. And it is with humor we will all get through this 9 month ordeal

Delsa... You got that

Delsa...

You got that right...laughter makes the world go 'round that's for sure, plus it is the only thing that keeps me half-way sane...thank God for that....heheee

Noel

With all due respect, the media cannot depict McCain as anything but what he is and that is a left leaning republican. At the very least they can stamp him "moderate" and that is the media's greatest fear when it comes to McCain.

He is too much like them in too many ways. He will and can take votes away from the democrats especially if Hillary wins the nomination. With obama it may be different because He has all the youngsters and some older voters believing he is reasonable. We know differently but still.... he talks a great game.

What is the major distinction between McCain and the dems? The War. Otherwise????

U tell me

Delsa

D,

Well, if they don't depict him as a conservative, how will they demonize him?

As for the difference between him and Democrats, as I pointed out yesterday, he has a lifetime ACU rating of 83. Hillary is at 8. Obama is at 6.

I hope that helps. ns

Exactly my point NS

The media cannot demonize him and that is exactly my point.

They, the media, are between a rock and a hard place. As i said, Mcaine is more like them, than not.

And 83% cinservative? And still for bring gitmo prisoners here, no water boarding, making illegal = legal, voting to extend tax cuts he voted against, voting against Anwar and neucler power.....

OK you convinced me 83% and he is a winner.

I hope  that helps. d

 

83%

The only problem with that 83% is that it covers his entire Washington service -- Check out just the last 8 years, I believe it is around 67%

 

“I would remind you
that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind
you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.”

paul... Exactly! I

paul...

Exactly!

I posted the same sentiments somewhere else also.

Paul

Paul,

Understood. Yet, how does that 67 compare to Hillary's 8 and Obama's 6?

Looks pretty good, doesn't it?

Furthermore, during this period, mightn't he have strategically moved a bit to the left in anticipation of a presidential run? Whether or not we agree with this, mightn't this have been his strategy? ns

In the meantime, we need to

In the meantime, we need to pull him to the right as much as possible.  After all if he is going to get credited/demonized for being conservative he might as well get his bonifieds.  Muhuhaha But all this is dependent on McCain deciding he really needs us to win the election.  If he doesn't need us then why should he move in our direction?  Bottom line is this, if McCain believes he needs us to win, then he shouldn't take our vote for granted and we shouldn't be throwing it away by thinking it's either or.  So I am of the position that McCain shouldn't be allowed to string us along by mouthing the words we want to here.

 

 Lord Sidious / Darth Vader 2008  Long Live the Empire!  Come to the Dark Side, it is your Destiny.

John McCain has blood on his hands.

dscott,

You can pull pre-election McCain as far to the right as you like, all the way into the right-field upper deck if you so choose. Only problem is, if elected, that bungee chord strapped to his back will right smartly snap him crashing right back into the left-field bleachers so fast you won't believe it.

John McCain has blood on his hands. Conservative blood. And no amount of "repentance," groveling, or cleansing is ever going to change that.

None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free. -J.W. von Goethe

R D... McCain Alert. This

R D... McCain Alert.

This has started to go around about McCain...

"Senator McCain, over the course of your 5 1/2 year ordeal as a POW in Hanoi, did you, as some are alleging, participate in 38 America-bashing propaganda broadcasts in cooperation with your North Vietnamese captors? And if so, could you please explain why? And could you please explain what effect this might have had on the morale of U.S. Forces in the Vietnam Theater of Operations?"


 This information comes from Vietnam Veterans Against John McCain website to which I will link below.

The number I used, of 38 documented instances of McCain's cooperation with the North Vietnamese came from an interview with Colonel Hopper which is split into five segments on this web page, and the one from his wife.

http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/cin_hopper_video2.htm

The embedded player will play Part 1. The direct .wmv links to the other segments you will find lower on the page, including the interview with his wife.

Additionally, there are five actual documents on this page, declassified transcripts of the broadcasts made by the U.S. Government.

http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/cin_declassified_landing.htm

VVAJM uses the number of 20 total documents on this page. The number 38 I got from the Hopper interviews.

The sense I got is that the remaining documents are still classified.

After looking at this information, please come back and report your own sense of what is in those documents, and what was said by the Hoppers.

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Ct,

I have been researching this, as well as other similar things regarding McCain recently. I have several Vietnam vets as family members and acquaintances who I have discussed it with.

However, they have been rather reluctant to really delve into it, which I completely understand, so I pressed rather lightly. Touchy subject with them, and for good reason.

I am not yet ready to jump on this bandwagon as yet.

None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free. -J.W. von Goethe

R D... For now, this will

R D...

For now, this will be the only time I post this info because it seems like such a touchy subject.

I'm not ready to sell him down the river over this, but if turns out to be true, some people are going to make it pretty darn ugly for McCain. 

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Like Broom Hilda

And I bet she has people digging all over planet earth, too.

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I want to be 150% sure before I make that leap.

None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free. -J.W. von Goethe

In my opinion this is very

In my opinion this is very unfair to McCain.  McCain didn't come back and badmouth those who were fighting in Vietnam.  He doesn't think Vietnam Vets are horrible people and compare them to the Mongols.  It's amazing to me that 40+ years after the Vietnam War started we still are fighting it amongst ourselves.  I'll admit that very few things make me upset, but the way Vietnam Vets have been treated makes me upset.  My dad is a Vietnam Vet, and most of my friend's dads growing up were Vietnam Vets.  I am very proud of Vietnam Vets, and I'm proud of McCain's service during the Vietnam War. 

Dan Quale

Does anyone remember Dan Quale? He was the conservative on the ticket to help sell George Bush. When the Bush battle ship sunk under Clinton and Perot fire, Dan went down with him. Anyone McCain picks will lose, and thereby become a memory.

If McCain picks any conservative, it will be Fred...Fred has already endorsed him. It won't be Romney. Which was why Ann was safe to say it.

The real person McCain wants to put in his VP spot is President Fox from Mexico.

I may warm up to McCain by November, but right now I am still too angry with him. If Hillary wins, it would be better if she were President over McCain. If Obama wins, McCain is toast, though McCain would be better.

Our best chance really is to retake congress.

Maybe McCain should pick Al

Maybe McCain should pick Al Gore as his running mate? If its all about winning right?

CV... They sure wouldn't

CV...

They sure wouldn't have any trouble warming up to each other...lol.

Conservative Voice make me smile

Conservative Voice,

You make me smile. How correct you are. Big mistake for Romney to join on the loosing ticket.

I think if V.Fox doesn't take the VP slot, McCains second choice will be Crist of Florida.

You speak such TRUTH

CV... I think your right

CV...

I think your right about Fred getting the VP nod from McCain.

As much of a fan I am of Fred, I don't think I will vote for that ticket. 

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McCain may as well pick Ted Kennedy for his VP

Because, in the highly unlikely event he somehow manages to get himself elected POTUS, he is going to run straight for Ted and leap right into his arms.

And as for his SCOTUS picks, with the democrats, particularly Ted running the senate show (and he will be), and considering who it will be advising McCain in this area, all we will be able to get actually confirmed is another David Souter or two.

With McCain in the White House, we will win the battle, but it will be a Pyrrhic victory which will ultimately ensure the loss of the whole war.

Heck of a price to pay to keep Hillary out of the White House.

None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free. -J.W. von Goethe

R D... At this point, I

R D...

At this point, I would much rather have a Democrat screw up the next 4 years and get the blame, than to have a Republican do it.

This way, at least we have a chance in 2012. 

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Ct, What a lot of people here do not seem to realize is...

If McCain does manage to get elected, there will not be enough of the Republican Party around in 2012 to so much as pass wind.

None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free. -J.W. von Goethe

See my 'McCain Alert' I

See my 'McCain Alert' I posted in reference to one of your recent posts. 

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Actually Ann got it right

Actually Ann got it right when she said Mitt Romney is the right choice for Veep. Fred Thompson, or any other "conservative" that ran, didn't actually run. Why reward them for running half-assed campaigns?

Mitt Romney has won the CPAC straw poll. Mitt Romney also won the 2007 CPAC straw poll. So much for him not being a conservative.

And McCain has said he will probably serve only one term. What better way to set Mitt Romney up for the 2012 race, than to have him as McCain's VP? And either way, Mitt Romney WILL be the 2012 front runner.

Gary...  "And either

Gary...

 "And either way, Mitt Romney WILL be the 2012 front runner."

Please tell him to stay home, please! 

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Trust me, he will be the

Trust me, he will be the front runner. All the other so-called conservatives didn't know how to run for the office.

And if everyone hadn't sat on their a$$es waiting for the "Magic Conservative" to show up, and voted for the guy to start with, we wouldn't be in this shape now!

Mitt Romney is by far the front runner for the 2012 election. He is also the best choice for Veep. He will shore up McCain's self professed ignorance of all things financial. He will also make voting for McCain a lot easier. Might be the only VP choice that would get the GOP faithful charged up in November.

Gary, see my post below. I

Gary, see my post below. I hope Romney doesn't take the vp slot, its a bad move for him.

I think Romney needs to spend the next four years working the base. Either he needs to do his own talk radio, or hit the pavement so that he becomes the Martin Luther King Jr for conservatives and continue to be the talk for talk radio. There are still a number of conservatives who don't trust him, and that was his downfall. He also needs to adjust some of his platform, as he is a moderate conservative. He needs to get rid of the moderate part and become a full blooded conservative. Like he needs to do more than get the endorsement of the NRA, he needs to speak their language, and confront the anti-gun lobby.

I don't want to vote for Romney in 2012 because its his turn, I want him to prove that he is the best choice of them all.

That's a very good point.

That's a very good point. Obama won something today (not that I really care) and he was giving one of his long on wind, and short on substance speeches. Anyhow he's already going after McCain.

Again my deal with Romney would be to set him up in 2012. Being VP, if McCain wins, would be a nice jump point in 2012. McCain has said he may only want 1 term. And Romney brings some serious bona fides on financial and social issues.

Another thing I heard tossed out today was making Romney head of the RNC. That would give him a high profile position, from which to not only base his 2012 race, but also help shape the party, and recruit conservatives to run in the House and Senate, sending the RINOs packing.

I think he would be better

I think he would be better as a Party leader than a VP under McCain. I think Romney would of made a fine President, and I am very angry at the Party's elite doing everything they could to undermind Romney and push McCain. So maybe if Romney could be over the party he could help rebuild the Republican party from the ground up, bringing back to its core. There are just too many weeds in the Republican party, its beginning to be very difficult to tell the difference between the wheat and the tares.

That's the way I look at it

That's the way I look at it too. Romney turned around the Olympics, so by George, he aught to work wonders as head of the GOP.

Gary... Do you consider

Gary...

Do you consider yourself a moderate? 

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I consider myself a

I consider myself a conservative. I want a strong military. I want good fiscal responsibility, and small government. I want the illegal problem handled. I want Roe overturned, so the states can handle it. I would love to see the NEA abolished. And I would like to see PBS and NPR totally defunded.

On social issues, I do not believe in abortion, except in the rarest of cases, when the mother's life is at stake. I believe a marriage should be between a man and a woman. I do however believe in civil unions for legal purposes. I also figure what ever two consenting adults do in their bedroom is none of my business. It does however become my business when they want to shove it in my face, or the kids faces. You wanna do a goat? I'm fine with it, as long as the goat's OK with it, and you keep that your secret!

This is about Romney though. I was for him from the git go. The man was Governor of the most liberal state out there, and yet, he governed as a conservative. Rudy had the same record in NYC.

Romney is a conservative. Everyone sat around waiting for the "Magic Conservative" to come riding in and save the day. It actually happened, but the folks that saw it were to late to help.

I like Fred Thompson. but he was a piss poor candidate. As was Rudy. The only honest man left the race at CPAC,

Romney is by far the most qualified candidate our party has run in a while. I love W, and if a third term was an option, I'd be the first one through the gate to vote for him. But Romney is totally qualified to be the conservative voice of the party. There are so many positives about this man. But it all boils down to the fact, Romney is a good and decent man, with lots of class. He would have mopped the floor with the dims!

Romney for 2012!

I'd never forgive Romney

First, McPain will never offer the VP to Romney. Second, Romney would be a fool to accept a spot on the "Republican" ticket with a Demonrat.

Romney's turn is coming in 2012 once the "Republican" party crashes and burns and conservative come to their senses and take back the party from the RINO's that have control now. Conservatives have been let down ever since Reagan left office starting with Bush "no more taxes" 1 through Jorge Bush now. Couple that with numerous waste of oxygen RINO's like Graham, Lott, Hutchinson, Specter, Snowe, Chafee, Frist, etc.

Get rid of these losers and maybe I'll consider myself a Republican again one day. I am a Conservative first and anything else after. And, hell no, I won't vote for McPain. Ever!

I will vote for McCain

I was just as angry as the other conservative blondes about McCain getting the presumptive nod from the (R) party.  

But I've gotten over it.   I still don't like it, but I've gotten over it.

Noel is right....we need to fight the bloody leeches off, every way we can.  Socialists will bleed us all dry. They'll defer to the UN, sell our honor as a nation, and deny us everything the founding fathers hoped for this great nation.

What crystalized my decision, though, was this.  To stay home is to deny their sacrifice...to allow Barry & Hillary to define what the GWOT is all about, or not.  Pull out, damn the torpedos.  This would be a catastrophic turn of events.

These men have given their lives for us.  To have the freedom to choose the road ahead of us (h/t Milton Friedman).

To stay home, or to not vote in the Presidential Election, because we are peeved, at a lack of a true conservative as our nominee, is plain idiotic.

Unless you all want Hillary and B. Hussein to run the country....and subject us to another national loss of honor, and massive disrespect for those who have laid down their lives for us.

Vote.

You don't have to love it.  But just do it.

Godspeed, Nate & Mike, and your families.  Thank you and God Bless.

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Blonde, thanks for the

Blonde, thanks for the reality check.

I know I have been as angry as I ever have been this week. But the reality is we gotta vote for this turd, because it will get nasty if one of the Socialists win in November. That's what I like about the Romney scenario. Since McCain has said he may only run for a single term, Romney would be in the cat bird's seat for 2012.

Plus, unlike the usual formula of selecting the Veep from South, this ticket will need a strong conservative like Romney!

Romney as McCain's VP.

    Romney would not accept any overture from McCain.  IMHO McCain is toast. I like and agree with Ann; I may just vote for Hillary also. Why would Romney tie his horse to a crashing wagon? Four years of Clinton and a purging of the GOP will see Romney give it another shot in '12.

I want a choice, not an

I want a choice, not an echo.

My daily inspiration from Goldwater...