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Obama Wins South Carolina Open ThreadExit polls are saying that Barack Obama won big today in South Carolina, taking more than 80 percent of the black vote. Maybe more important, Hillary Clinton and John Edwards are battling for second place. How might this change the nomination picture, and what does this say about the race card the Clintons have injected into the campaign? |
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Obama Falls Into Hillary's Trap
January 26, 2008 - 20:31 ET by candanceBubble, bubble, toil and trouble....
Lady MacBeth is already laying her plans for victory.
If so...
January 26, 2008 - 23:40 ET by heldmyw...She'd better get a bigger cauldron!
"CNN's analysts point out another way to look at this election: 73% of South Carolina Democrats voted against Hillary." h/t Captain's Quarters.
I'm pretty sure that that's NOT a winning plan for victory!
(Cue the sobbing!)
Dunno if it's true, but I heard today
January 26, 2008 - 20:32 ET by RJ..that the Clintons wanted Obama to win big today among the black voters, expecting to profit from a hoped-for white backlash in other states.
Tell me again which party is the true racist organization?
Dick Morris was on H&C last
January 26, 2008 - 20:41 ET by motherbeltDick Morris was on H&C last night, saying that was the plan.
The only problem I see is her alienating enough of the black vote to make them sit out. I don't think that's likely though. Surely they investigated every possibility and think they can pull it off.
After she wins the nomination, they will initiate their "bring them back into the fold" plan. They will go and kiss the rings of Jackson and Sharpton, eat humble pie and whatever else they have to do...Hillary will choke up and Bill will bite his lip. In the end, the Righteous Revs will castigate them publicly, for appearance's sake, but in then end they'll say she's seen the light and she will still be their girl.
It's just too much to
January 27, 2008 - 14:31 ET by GregEIt's just too much to resist ain't it? I mean, here are the Democrats - the party that completely expects to own black people's vote, who racistly expect blacks to vote for them as a tribal bloc instead of as individual independent thinkers, who pander to black people, playing the race card to hopefully assure that black people will hang onto them, telling them their life is otherwise in the balance and tomorrow there will be no sun - now torn on how to handle a situation between the previously inevitable candidate with a Royal last name, and an upstart black man who wasn't supposed to have gotten in the way of Royality this go-round, instead now running against Royality when he's supposed to be just another simpleton follower of the Queen, bowing in her presense, hoping, just hoping that from her lips will spew a miraculous, profound utterance of a beautiful governmental program that will raise the dead, heal the sick, and prosper the poor from this day forward, with the Queen expecting that the black man, Barrack Obama, will tow the as a faithful member of the tribal voter bloc.
Now here we are, the upstart vs Royalty, with Royalty having to work the race angle more cautiously than ever, wishing they could save that for races against Republicans instead of having to do it within their own party.
What's a race-baiting, race-playing party like the Democrats to do? They work the tribal voter bloc against Republicans with glee, but now the new and unplanned phenomenon of the popular black liberal running against the white Queen liberal, dashing her expectations of inevitability has brought about the sudden need to defend the never imagined, never planned for, never dreamed of, onslaught from the popular black liberal.
This doesn't change anything.
January 26, 2008 - 20:34 ET by Missouri ConservativeThe Clintons will now set Barack up as the "black candidate", and that is what they have planned all along. She is working on her own "southern strategy", in which white Democrats coalesce around her, along with Hispanics.
The Democrat primary will be long, drawn out, ugly, and extremely divisive. Hillary will eventually win in the end, but the campaign will remind everybody why they hate the Clintons. In the process of taking down Barack, she will serious alienate a large portion of the party. The Democrats are in much bigger trouble than the Republicans are.
"women and minorities hardest hit"
Southern Strategy
January 26, 2008 - 23:33 ET by Jerry MackNot going to work this time. OBama will win Alabama, Georgia and Tennesse on super Tuesday. Harold Ford came close to becoming senator in Tenn.
I'll laugh if Hillary comes
January 26, 2008 - 20:45 ET by Clear thinkerI'll laugh if Hillary comes in 3rd.
The Conservative movement is about to be reborn.
You won't. Fox is calling 2nd place for Hillary.
January 26, 2008 - 20:47 ET by Missouri Conservative"women and minorities hardest hit"
They were probably hoping
January 26, 2008 - 20:54 ET by motherbeltThey were probably wishing she would be last, hoping for an even bigger backlash.
The interesting thing is going to be how they play their "black voters are racists, so they voted for Obama" strategy.
Not 3rd; but not close either
January 26, 2008 - 21:59 ET by ThisnThatHillary got beat 2:1. That means blacks, whites, men, women, and most of the dead voters went for Obama over her (dead voters is a Chicago specialty, so no surprise they went for Obama, here).
Her spin is that this was her plan. Yeah, right.
I want to know why the polls were wrong. They had Obama ahead only by 10 -15 points; he won by 27 points, or twice as much as the polls predicted. What's up here?
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Just great
January 26, 2008 - 20:52 ET by general companyRegardless of the racial aspect of this, if their is any. When Clintons lose Americans win.
"Always do right. This will gratify some people, and astonish the rest". Mark Twain
As predicted the Clinton's are taking a dive
January 26, 2008 - 21:08 ET by Lame CherryHillary KNEW she was going to win certain big states like California and New York. If she comes close to winning the nomination the book has it there are sex tapes and criminal fraud charges, so they are taking a dive.
Bill and Hill deliberately alienated black voters as Obama must win enough seats to make this a statistical tie. Edwards stays in the race playing his part as initiator for Al Gore to enter the race.
Obama had better not enjoy his perch too long as if starts moving by bigger margins there will be a Patrick Fitzgerald indictment coming to tank him like Lawrence Walsh pulled on Bush 41 to have him loose to Clinton.
Obama will landslide Illinois, but it will take big propaganda which did not work in Illinois for him to gain on Super Tuesday.
Expect crazy Bill to go beyond finger pointing rages. As stated, there should be some attack on American Christians being perverts or homosexuals are perverts as it is aimed at the DNC by Bill or something else to capture boney finger headlines as the Clintons have done their best to do finish worst.
What is most amazing in this is Bill has so conditioned Democrats by rape and lying that it seems to not matter to white Dems how he acts.......that includes insane and they are still voting for them.
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I don't think there
January 26, 2008 - 21:12 ET by MidAmericaI don't think there will be a white backlash. Times have changed. But there may be a gender backlash. The 'ladies' may not want to wait for another time.
I agree...
January 27, 2008 - 08:50 ET by sentforth5There really is no race-thing in America anymore, I mean, not generally, and the only purveyors of racism are the media and the politicians.
They are the only ones who won't let it go. I guess it is too useful a tool for them.
Exit polls
January 26, 2008 - 21:19 ET by motherbeltThey may not get the "white backlash" they wanted. MSNBC's exit polling is showing that 68% of white voters think Bill Clinton unfairly attacked Obama.
OOPS! The Clintons may have made a fatal miscalculation.
Que lastima.
Oh, and 56% said Bill Clinton's campaigning was important to their vote.
Negatives linked to Bill
January 26, 2008 - 23:11 ET by celatorMB, interesting point on the backlash. I'm thinking it may increase Hillary's negative rating...already up around 50%, as I remember. I'd like to see some good data correlating her negative ratings with the specific moments Bill shows up and begins defending her. Somebody must have measured that.
Liberal's Basic Rule For Discourse: I don't care if you agree with my premises, but I demand that you agree with my conclusions.
23% of the precincts have
January 26, 2008 - 21:16 ET by Roger the Shrubber23% of the precincts have reported their results, and Dennis Kucinich has received 126 votes. Is there an asylum in one of those precincts?
...
January 26, 2008 - 21:33 ET by dervishThere are at least that many people who can't read, and forgot where Hillary was on the ballot.
I saw one blogger say he was
January 27, 2008 - 02:06 ET by doug1950I saw one blogger say he was voting for Dennis cuz he was married to a "hottie" with a tongue stud. Makes you proud to be an American.
Obama is NO Black candidate
January 26, 2008 - 21:19 ET by DelsaThe Clintons can not clam Obama just won with the black vote because South Carolina White democrates voted for him too and in fairly good numbers. Anti Clinton vote went to Edwards as well.
My worry in Florida is that the Republicans who voted early and voted for Fred (who i liked) may have screwed it up for Romney? I am voting here for Romney. So this is just a thought i am having
If only....
January 26, 2008 - 21:24 ET by celatorIf only the Clintons had put as much time, effort and energy into eliminating Osama Bin Laden (when he was practically handed over to them) as they have in eliminating Barack Obama.
Bin Laden should have run against them in a presidential election, that would have gotten their attention.
Liberal's Basic Rule For Discourse: I don't care if you agree with my premises, but I demand that you agree with my conclusions.
Celator- An excellent
January 26, 2008 - 21:32 ET by ghotifunCelator-
An excellent and amazing point!
Thanks
January 26, 2008 - 22:39 ET by celatorThanks!
Liberal's Basic Rule For Discourse: I don't care if you agree with my premises, but I demand that you agree with my conclusions.
New flash
January 26, 2008 - 21:44 ET by Delsajust heard Caroline Kennedy came out for Obama
and
January 26, 2008 - 23:28 ET by botgJFK jr voted for Hillary
<sorry couldn't resist--i should have waited for the Chicago vote>
Supreme Court, National Security, Borders, Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.
But wait a minute...Richard
January 27, 2008 - 10:48 ET by ghotifunBut wait a minute...Richard Dailey's dead!
Oh, I forgot...
There's always ACORN...
will dems in Maryland go for
January 26, 2008 - 21:48 ET by Delsawill dems in Maryland go for obama too. I really think there are more people who hate the clintons than like them.
why are all the talking heads going on and on about Mccain? I can not stand this
Should we even look at the polls anymore?
January 26, 2008 - 22:04 ET by rdw1961Polls showing Obama by 10% as recently as this morning, in the 38% total range on Real
Clear Politics averages.......now that the results are in displayed on
Drudge, Obama at 54% to Clinton's 27% one has to wonder if people are
purposely giving the pollsters misinformation.
SO I THINK CLINTONS BROKE
January 26, 2008 - 22:10 ET by DelsaSO I THINK CLINTONS BROKE INTO THE BALLOT BOXES IN N.H.
posted in wrong
January 26, 2008 - 22:31 ET by doug1950posted in wrong place...never mind
?
January 26, 2008 - 22:31 ET by HippopaulimusHmm...blacks voting for a black...Dems turning against Hillary after a couple of weeks of bashing from the media...is anyone really suprised?...except for the media sheep?
HE GIVES A GOOD SPEECH
January 26, 2008 - 22:33 ET by DelsaHe gives a good speech but he scares the hell out of me. Socialist to the core. OH geeze
Delsa
January 26, 2008 - 22:35 ET by Noel SheppardD,
He gives a great speech. One of the best orators we've seen in many years. I wish I could like this man's politics, because I really like the man. :-( ns
Noel
January 26, 2008 - 23:03 ET by Cool ArrowDid you read (from Drudge) Caroline Kennedy's glowing endorsement of Obama as the second coming of JFK?
Now there's an endorsement that's hard to beat whether Dem or Rep.
edit: I see Delsa has already brought this information in.
♣ a seal
Obama likeable
January 26, 2008 - 23:11 ET by needleI can understand Obama being more likeable than Hillary;
that is a contest that is impossible to loose.
On the hand, can you think of a single Democratic politician with whom you
would entrust the nation’s security? (Joe
Lieberman doesn’t count.)
Impunitas semper ad deteriora invitat.
Ya Know
January 26, 2008 - 22:53 ET by candanceIf Obama had run for Congress (and eventually president) as a moderate, he would beat anybody.
Clinton concession
January 26, 2008 - 23:28 ET by ledgerhedgerstrange. Bill makes a concession speech. i didn't know he was running. Hillary
is rude and skips the whole concession thing. she doesn't need to be nice to the hired help
A thumping
January 26, 2008 - 23:30 ET by botgit would seem 55---26---17
Supreme Court, National Security, Borders, Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.
A drubbing....SWEET
January 26, 2008 - 23:52 ET by BlondeThe SC exit polls indicate the dems who voted either way would be happy for Obama as the nominee....but 25% don't want Hillary.
Hmmmm.....
How does that negative thing go again?
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Hey Blondie
January 27, 2008 - 00:10 ET by botgYour love for Hillary reminds me of the Bill Cosby:
"Hey Bill come quick Hermans getting a beatin' --- HERMAN, i love to see Herman gettin a beatin'"
Supreme Court, National Security, Borders, Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.
Quite, botg
January 27, 2008 - 00:16 ET by BlondeI love Hillary.....I'm going to vote for Hillary....
For her to quit...and/or lose in a humiliating fashion.
Either way....works for me.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
From Jake Tapper last
January 27, 2008 - 09:42 ET by motherbeltFrom Jake Tapper last night:
Said Bill Clinton today in Columbia, SC: "Jesse Jackson won South Carolina in '84 and '88. Jackson ran a good campaign. And Obama ran a good campaign here."
This was in response to a question about Obama saying it "took two people to beat him." Jackson had not been mentioned.
So who is injecting race? But I think Bill's subtlety needs a little work.
On the opposite side, Paul Mirengoff of Power Line had this to say about Obama's victory speech: that it was (emphasis added)
...virtually content free. Obama declared that "there are real differences between the candidates," but then failed to cite even one policy disagreement between him and his Democratic rivals. Instead, he made statements like the following:
There are those who will continue to tell us we cannot do this. That we cannot have what we long for. That we are peddling false hopes. But here’s what I know. I know that when people say we can’t overcome all the big money and influence in Washington, I think of the elderly woman who sent me a contribution the other day – an envelope that had a money order for $3.01 along with a verse of scripture tucked inside. So don’t tell us change isn’t possible.
I agree with Mirengoff; he did it again: a citation, but no examples. What do we long, for, hope for, Senator Obama?
So Obama gets $3.01 (and what's with the penny? A veiled reference to the "widow's mite"..all she had?) and a Bible verse from a woman (how does he know she's elderly?) and that signals that change in DC is possible? How? No one ever contributed a small amount to anyone's campaign before? Come on, the Clintons could probably come up with a hundred similar examples, right off the top of their heads. Again, lofty rhetoric, but no substance.
In other words, as Jonah Goldberg described, Obama likes to talk about hope, talk about talking about hope, about how he'll continue to talk about the importance of talking about hope.....
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz......
As they say in Texas....all hat, no cattle.
The Inspiration Campaign
January 27, 2008 - 10:02 ET by ThisnThatYou're right on, MB. The money quotes are all going to be about "Obama and Inspiration" -- sans substance. They've already started, with Carolyn's op-ed piece comparing Obama with JFK, and with Carl Bernstein's comments on CNN. In fact, here's what Carl had to say: "But he [Obama] now gets to run they type of campain he wants. He can go back to being inspirational now."
But worse that that are all these libs trying to push their agendas on us. Bernstein goes on to say "Democrats are going to be looking at whether Hillary or Obama can run better against probably John McCain". Not against the Republicans. Oh no, they've already made up our mind -- it has to be McCain.
Who do these people think they are? Pompous, elite SOBs, methinks.
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If you can read this, thank a teacher. If it is in English, thank a Soldier. - My barber
whether Hillary or Obama
January 27, 2008 - 10:45 ET by motherbeltwhether Hillary or Obama can run better against probably John McCain".
Right, TnT...I cited it in another thread, so I won't go looking for the exact quote again, but Johathan Chait also assumes the same. He predicted that (paraphrasing) the Democrats will rally around Clinton, much as the Republicans will around McCain.
Apparently they never heard the admonition "Don't count your chickens before they hatch."
Bill Kristol says Thompson to endorse Romney
January 27, 2008 - 11:08 ET by RJ1) Today on the Chris Wallace program on Fox, Kristol said he had heard (I think he said through the Chenys, but I'm not sure) that Thompson would be endorsing Mitt Romney.
Is the groundwork being laid for a Romney/Thompson ticket?
2) One of the pundits on today's NBC/Tim Russert program said, once again, that the next primary is a MUST WIN for Romney...otherwise he's "out." This time it's Florida. These fatuous fools are hoping that if they say it often enough, they'll be right at some point.
Romney/Thompson Ticket?
January 27, 2008 - 13:47 ET by ThisnThatI sure hope so. The NH ballot included a spot for Veep. I voted for Romney-President, and wrote in Thompson for Veep. I think that would make a very strong Republican ticket.
Infinitely better than McCain/Gore.
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Romney Thompson...
January 27, 2008 - 13:53 ET by Clear thinkerNot likely to happen. A lot of Freds supporters have said they would be very disappointed if Fred paired up with Mitt.
The Conservative movement is about to be reborn.
Well, we'll see, Clear
January 27, 2008 - 14:15 ET by RJBut I just heard one of Romney's campaign advisors say that a bunch of Thompson campaign workers have joined their staff. I didn't hear her say what level they are.
Hi RJ... It was Lynne
January 27, 2008 - 13:54 ET by bigtimerHi RJ...
It was Lynne Cheney who worked for Thompson who threw her support to Romney...they also said they think half the Bush family is supporting Romney later on the same panel....anyway it is good news..
Thompson has not said who he is endorsing yet ...
Just wanted to throw that in here.
Did I mishear Kristol, BT?
January 27, 2008 - 14:00 ET by RJI'm aware of the Lynne Cheny and the Bush family thing from MSNBC, but I thought I heard Kristol say on Fox that he had been told by a Cheny that Thompson would endorse Romney.
...but you're so good at keeping track of this stuff, I hesitate to doubt you. :^)
Anyone else see the show? I didn't tape it, but the program is re-aired later on FNC.
Hey RJ... I was talking
January 27, 2008 - 14:10 ET by bigtimerHey RJ...
I was talking about Fox too..it will re-air like always...
I may have missed those words by Kristol....I was cooking breakfast so I may have...
I watched all of this last
January 27, 2008 - 14:06 ET by bigtimerI watched all of this last night...the talking heads afterwards, the speeches by the left...(the non-speech by Hill, pretty sad and classless when you have to pretend you just didn't get trounced and there really isn't a place called SC eh Hillary?)....
anyway...I couldn't of been more tickled watching the Billary team get beat badly....the Kennedy endorsement was priceless...
I am still laughing about all of this...but one thing I posted long ago is be wary, very wary of Obama...if anyone listens to his speeches at all they would understand how fearful we should be...he may end up very much like a cult leader...he is good.
The other thing I wanted to mention is what Crist and McCain did last night to get free air time was despicable....made me furious.
Crist
January 27, 2008 - 19:31 ET by doug1950Agree. Crist endorsing McCain does not surprise me. Crist is a known "moderate" Republican. In our house that is a liberal but that is another story. As an ex Navy flyer I have been around the John McCains most of my adult life and would not, will not be voting for him. He is an opportunist and phoney. I do not trust him nor anything he can say. I do admire his service but for me and thousands of other military vets that does not necessarily translate into POTUS material automatically.He is too willing to compromise and "go along to get along". His recollection of his voting record is fuzzy on the issues and he has a case of selective amnesia in that regard. This A.M. there was a reporter talking to Crist about his own 70% approval rate in FL, I guess I fall down solidly in the other 30%. He hasn't been in office all that long, and as far as I can tell hasn't done much, even less of what he promised, which in some ways is probably a blessing. He is one of the Repubs who think it is a good idea to restore voting rights to convicted felons among some of his beliefs.