For general discussion and debate. Possible talking point: Is Bill Clinton threatening his legacy with his recent behavior on the campaign trail?
The Bill Clinton we have come to know, as Mrs Clinton has taken the political lead as a New York senator, is an elder statesman. Having seemingly placed the anger and humiliation of the late stages of his presidency behind him, he has travelled the world trying to improve life for millions of people. [...]
But this Bill Clinton has not been seen since Barack Obama emerged as a serious threat to Mrs Clinton’s hopes of the presidency. Instead of a non-partisan philanthropist, US voters see a partisan operative getting red-faced with anger as he bitterly rails against Mr Obama for, in Mrs Clinton’s words, “raising false hopes” that the US can be otherwise. [...]
Maybe Mr Clinton is so emotionally caught up in getting his wife elected (and absolving his infidelities) that he cannot help himself. Or maybe it is a calculated political gamble in which he plays bad guy to her good woman and stirs up Latino voters to block Mr Obama’s progress. Either way, it does not reflect well on him.
Is Clinton's recent behavior a calculated campaign gamble, or has the former president suddenly lost his political swagger and stability? Will any of this matter to his reputation in the future, or will he only survive history's wrath if Hillary wins?
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If playing hide the cigar
January 24, 2008 - 10:13 ET by CrashIf playing hide the cigar didn't do that ... nothing will. Besides, he wants to earn his place in the history books by helping put his degenerate half in the ovulating office.
What? Threatening his legacy??!!
January 24, 2008 - 10:17 ET by c5thenLying to win the governorship of Arkansas, lying while governor, lying to win the presidency of the US, lying while president, lying in a court deposition, lying while campaigning for his wife...
It seems to me he is simply solidifying his legacy and at least being consistent.
The day that "politician" became a career choice is the day we started losing the Republic. Let's get it back! Alan Keyes '08.
His legacy?! You mean his INFAMY.
January 24, 2008 - 10:50 ET by gideonmjamesAll he is EVER going to do is ADD to that.
2 Timothy 3:13
But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
As Dick Morris Points out...Bill is crazy like a fox
January 24, 2008 - 10:41 ET by JayTeeBill is sucking up all the Oxygen in the Room....no one is covering Hillary anymore, and Hillary is leading in the Polls nationwide. Bill is insulating Hillary from news coverage, negative or otherwise.
Hillary WAS in the news, ad nauseum, now (Dick M. says)"Bill is the Red cape in the Bull ring", and nobody is looking at the lady on the horse, riding away with existing votes, never to be scrutinaized like she was.
Even NB joins ranks with MSM....although I think the MSM is Driving what NB looks at.
Anyone Heard about Hillary's Socialists Platform lately ? ? Bill is shielding her from any more microscopes, and is sucking up all the MSM air time.
It's a KILL BILL attack, instead of Kill the Candidate that's running attack. Crazy like a Fox, he is.
Bush isn't running, neither is Bill (I hope), but Obama needs to attack Hillary and what SHE says.
"Barack Obama is a Powerful Speaker—And so is My Bose Bass Amp" Doug Giles
→ Jay Tee
January 24, 2008 - 10:42 ET by Cool ArrowMorris was right on with his analysis.
I thought Bill was masterful in Nevada commenting on the unfairness of the opportunity to vote of the Culinary Workers.
I'm thinking Bill's comments mobilized the White voters against the predominantly Brown Culinary workers. And nobody seemed to notice it was his comments that turned the tide.
Love him or hate him, but don't call him stupid.
Morris also has a "Win by losing" SC article
January 24, 2008 - 10:50 ET by JayTeeThe Theory is..the Clinton theory....if the Black vote goes for Barracki, then the White voters will react, and go for Hillary. A Racist reaction to a perceived Racists reaction....all in the confines of a Secret Ballot.....
"Barack Obama is a Powerful Speaker—And so is My Bose Bass Amp" Doug Giles
DICK Morris is, as usual,
January 24, 2008 - 10:57 ET by BruzillaDICK Morris is, as usual, failing to look at all the sides of this issue. Yes, Bill is sucking up all the ink and airtime, and Hillary is going unnoticed. But while this may be favorable for her in the short term, in the long term it's costing her. The only person conservatives hate more than her is Bill, and the more Bill stirs the pot the angrier and more motivated conservatives get. Next, Bill is getting all this attention by beating up the first Black guy with a shot at being president... he's not beating up some republican, and that's costing her votes with the blacks. The way he keeps stepping up the attacks, he could very well convince most blacks to stay home next election day rather than vote for Hillary. Lastly, I find it hard to believe that women can sit there and watch Hillary continually taking a backseat to her husband and still feel that she's qualified to be president. At some point they are going to start saying "for God's sake woman! Stand up for yourself!", and when she doesn't it's going to cost her more votes.
The Clintons may think that they are brilliant politicos by dragging Obama into the mud with them, and making him out to be a mean, insultive, guy. But remember that blacks chose to re-elect a mayor in DC who had been guilty of all manner of real offenses, and convicted of drug possession, rather than vote for a white guy. If they keep ticking off black voters, they'll remember come November.
→ Bruzilla
January 24, 2008 - 11:08 ET by Cool ArrowKeep in mind, in the Democrat world, The African American vote is up for grabs in the Primaries.
In the General Election, it's sewn up.
HillBilly's plan is to save the sucking up for the General.
Once again... the Democrats
January 24, 2008 - 11:59 ET by BruzillaOnce again... the Democrats in Maryland thought the same thing... right before blacks came out and voted for a white Republican governor over a Kennedy or just stayed home after she had slighted them and made them mad.
gotta disgaree
January 24, 2008 - 11:13 ET by candanceI have to disagree with Bru on a few points:
-It's not really correct to say conservatives hate Bill more than Hillary, at least in the case of most conservatives I know. The Clintons are two peas in a pod.
-If being impeached and disbarred didn't make him go away, nothing will.
-No one thinks of Hillary as failing to stand up for herself. She is the mastermind of this whole attack in the first place.
-ROFL black Democrats not voting for a Democrat.
I hang out with the gun
January 24, 2008 - 11:57 ET by BruzillaI hang out with the gun toting crowd, and we definately hate Bill more than Hillary... although, granted, not by much.
I agree with your second point, which is why he's going to destroy himself no matter what anyone tells him.
You're wrong about no one thinking Hillary is failing to standup for herself. I work in a company of 9,000+ employees, where 80% are women. My group is comprised of 27 women and three guys. So needless to say, I've heard a LOT of female opinions over the past four years. I heard nothing but positive things about Hillary early last year, about how brave she was, how smart, how courageous for taking on all these guys. Then I started hearing more and more of the "what the hell is she thinking?" kind of comments, and lately I've started hearing more and more "she's going to let him (Bill) roll her over, and he'll be president!" comments. The attitude of women IRT Hillary is changing. Changing slowly, but changing.
To your last point, I remember how Kathleen Kennedy-Townsend and her supporters said the exact same thing about blacks in Maryland. How could blacks ever vote for anyone but a Kennedy running in Maryland! But they came out and voted for Ehrlich, a white Republican, or stayed home rather than vote for a female Democrat with a storied name just because she had slighted them.
No one will remember
January 24, 2008 - 10:53 ET by KC MulvilleThe Clintons bank on the short memory span of the American public. If Hillary gets elected, no one will remember what Bill did to help her win. The headline will bury the details.
The strategy is clear. Since Obama can't afford to confront Bill directly, and since Hillary won't accept responsibility for anything Bill says, Bill gets to fire off all the cheap shots he wants. Obama and the media need to hold Hillary acountable for everything Bill says.
I woudl agree with you if we
January 24, 2008 - 11:04 ET by BruzillaI woudl agree with you if we were talking about just Republican voters or Americans in general. But the Clintons are ticking off black voters, and these folks aren't so fast to forget or forgive once you transgress against them.
I remember back to when Kathleen Kennedy-Townsend ran for governor in Maryland, one of the blue-est of the blue states. Her predecessor had always maintained close contacts with the black communities, but as Lt. Gov, Kennedy-Townsend never bothered to travel out of Annapolis except for campaigning. One day during her bid for governor, she went to a Giant Foods distribution center in a largely black area, and when she said "I guess we all know why I'm here", a vocie came from the crowd saying "yeah... you need our votes. That's the only time we ever see you!" The crowd went nuts, and despite being a Kennedy in Maryland, she lost to a Republican.
I think white voters may forgive and forget, but black voters have long memories.
What does that tell you?
January 24, 2008 - 12:38 ET by KC MulvilleThe Clintons have calculated that they don't need the black vote.
Once they get the nomination, the Clintons presume that they're going to get the black, Hispanic, and under-30 vote in the general election anyway. Therefore, since it won't come back to haunt the Clintons in November, they feel free to piss those groups off in the primaries. Right now, in politics, the only variable is women, so that's what the Clintons target. They're willing to throw everyone else under the bus.
If I was a GOP consultant, here's what I would do. Let's say that Hillary wins big on Super Tuesday, and puts some distance between her and Obama. That's the moment to make a serious, honest, and good faith effort to appeal to Obama's supporters. While Obama is still viable, his supporters wouldn't consider it. If you wait too long, history shows that those supporters will fall back into the Democratic line sooner or later. They'll have forgotten how the Clintons mistreated them, and will unintentionally verify the Clintons' strategy. So, if Hillary wins Super Tuesday and starts to pull away, the GOP should appeal to Obama's supporters right away, while those supporters have fresh memories of what the Clintons are really like.
KC..Exactly..anyone remember
January 24, 2008 - 11:34 ET by JayTeeWin the Primary...the Election run after the Convention will bring forgiveness for whatever went on before, once the nomination is completed. Even Obama will congratulate the winner.
Anyone Remember the name of McCains Advocate ? Romney's 2nd in command ? Obama's main Spokesperson beside him ? ?
Would that all the 2nd's in Command of any candidate get the Free press than Wild Bill is garnishing...and it's ALL about "Negative slants on Obama" ,,,,unfortunately, I agree with Bill on some points about Obama...but there is LOTS more to learn about "What's her Thighs".
"Barack Obama is a Powerful Speaker—And so is My Bose Bass Amp" Doug Giles
It depends on the meaning of legacy.........
January 24, 2008 - 10:39 ET by pilsenerIt all depends on who writes the Clinton legacy.
Currently: 1) Hillary is allowed to claim 8 full years as co-president without anyone in the press asking about what she actually did or knew during those 8 years 2) the press and historians never even noticed that after 2 years of Clintonism the Democrats lost both houses of Congress and multiple governorships 3) wildly popular President Bill never received 50% of the vote 4) during the 1990's, other economic factors besides a Clinton Presidency were at play. 5) while under oath, neither of the Clintons seem to be able to remember anything that happened, anytime or anywhere.
Did his Wife take over ?
January 24, 2008 - 10:45 ET by JayTeeJoe Gibbs retired from Coaching the Redskins.....Did his Wife take over the Coaching job...because of her Vast Experience as Coaches Wife ?
The MSM continues with it's Sins of Omissions.......They see it, then delete it, especially if it fits their agenda .
"Barack Obama is a Powerful Speaker—And so is My Bose Bass Amp" Doug Giles
If she gets elected, she
January 24, 2008 - 11:11 ET by BruzillaIf she gets elected, she could use this strategy to solve the healthcare issue. Why pay a cardio-vascular surgeon $20,000 an hour to do surgery on you when you can get the surgeon's wife to do the surgery for $100.
Bill Clinton has never left
January 24, 2008 - 10:41 ET by dscottBill Clinton has never left campaign mode even after winning an election. Everything this guy does is calculated for public consumption. He is the consumate actor and salesman, why even Ronny couldn't act as well as Bill. Bill wants to be co-president for another 8 years, he can taste it so bad, that he would fracture the Dem Party by crushing Obama to do it. This will be another replay of the Ted Kennedy 1980 coup attempt at the Dem Nomination convention against Jimmy Carter. The infighting was so vicious that it turned off many Dems. Even the Huffpo knows what Hillary is all about: she's already established herself as a triangulating centrist.
It's not the right wing that you need to be worried about, Watch out Obama, the Clintons are gunning for you. Bill is employing the Rope-A-Dope strategy, intentionally drawing Obama into a confrontation on his terms. As long as Obama responds directly, Hillary gets to stand above the fray to look presidential. Here's a hint for you, the way to break a triangulating attack is to make it into a square. Any attack from a surrogate must be responded to by a surrogate. Get Soros and his front groups to respond to the attacks from Bill Clinton, because everytime you lower yourself to respond directly, you come off as a whining pansey. No one votes for a pansey, not even Dems.
Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. dscott's corollary: The line between malice and stupidity is called depraved indifference.
yuk
January 24, 2008 - 10:42 ET by DontFeedTheTrollsClinton is just too full of himself to ever sit back and relax. He needs to be out there with everyone paying attention to him. Don't kid yourself, if the Mrs. is elected he will have his fingers in every pie at the White House while the Mrs. plays second fiddle.
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His legacy?! Don't you mean his INFAMY?
January 24, 2008 - 10:46 ET by gideonmjamesAll he is EVER going to do is ADD to that.
2 Timothy 3:13
But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
Former Congressman Harold
January 24, 2008 - 10:46 ET by BruzillaFormer Congressman Harold Ford (D-TN) came to our company yesterday, and I got to attend a lunch and subsequent meeting with him. Pretty interesting guy. The first thing he said that got my attention was when he talked about torturing terrorists. He said that if someone knows of an attack on the US, we need to get that guy and get the information from him whatever it takes, and if that means we torure him, we torture him. I was kinda shocked to hear a Democrat talk that way.
His next comment of interest was also about Iraq. He said that "the folks who are out there telling you that we can get out of Iraq in 60 days, or six months, or a year, aren't shooting it straight" and aren't telling the truth. He said that if America leaves Iraq before achieving victory, that we are condeming our children and grandchildren to having to keep coming back and refighting the same battles. Again, another odd thing to hear from a Democrat.
Next he spoke of how Dr. King's views were not of white or black, liberal or conservative, republican or democrat, but rather doing what's right instead of what's wrong. I thought that's an excellent point. Then he brought down the whole concept of what he had just said five minutes later when he said he would support whoever the Democrat nominee for President is. Even though he had just called all of the liars about Iraq, even though he had just said we should do the right thing and not the republican or democrat thing, he went and trashed the best point he had made all day.
Lastly, he related a story about when John McCain invited him to go to Iraq with him. He was thrilled to be invited as he was the only member of Congress asked to go by McCain. When they got to Iraq, McCain would go off to play bigshot at each stop, and make Ford carry his bags wherever they went. He was litterarly McCain's Skycap. Then after one meeting with some generals, McCain pulled aside the senior guy and playing Mr. Bigshot again asked the general what he needed the most, and the general replied "I need more interpreters". Ford, who said he rarely spoke in these instances, said "why don't you ask the State Department to send you some?" He said that as soon as he said that he regretted it because McCain turned and threw him an ice cold look, as if to say "how dare you offer a suggestion! I'm the one with the ideas!"
Ford
January 24, 2008 - 11:04 ET by KC MulvilleInteresting story, Bruzilla. Ford comes on FoxNews on occasion, and I've always thought that this is a guy we can haggle with.
It's funny. Yesterday I posted something about McCain being a legislator, as someone who looks for compromise, but that the problem is that the Democrats exploit compromise. And yet, Ford is one good example of a Democrat who is willing to be fair ... but McCain treats him poorly.
He came across as a pretty
January 24, 2008 - 11:09 ET by BruzillaHe came across as a pretty likeable guy, and he stressed that he often ticked off his fellow Democrats because he believes in a strong military and it's use when needed.
The only thing he did that disappointed me was when he said he would support whoever the Dem nominee is instead of whoever the best nominee turns out to be. That just blew all the arguments he had made about working together right out of the water.
There are DINOs as well as
January 24, 2008 - 11:54 ET by DyneThere are DINOs as well as RINOs.
"Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them." -Matthew 7:20
Still in a quandary about Hunter support of Huckabee?
January 24, 2008 - 11:36 ET by vrwc13...then read this (h/t Drudge: NYT: ROMNEY AS AN OUTCAST WITH RIVALS...)
January 24, 2008
Romney Leads in Ill Will Among G.O.P. Candidates
By MICHAEL LUO
TAMPA, Fla. — At the end of the Republican presidential debate in New Hampshire this month, when the Democrats joined the candidates on stage, Mitt Romney found himself momentarily alone as his counterparts mingled, looking around a bit stiffly for a companion.
more... http://www.nytimes.c...
“Never get into a wrestling match with a pig,” Senator John McCain said in New Hampshire this month after reporters asked him about Mr. Romney. “You both get dirty, and the pig likes it.”
Mr. Romney probably knows Mr. Huckabee the best, aides said, as the two were governors at the same time and ran into each other often through the Republican Governors Association and the National Governors Association.
"Paradoxically, sometimes the enmity between them appears to be the sharpest.
Aides to Mr. Huckabee say he did not get to know Mr. Romney very well as a governor, finding him distant at meetings. The aides said they were also irritated that Mr. Romney did not call after Mr. Huckabee’s victory in Iowa."
HUNTER on HUCKABEE:
” I got to know Governor Hukcabee well on the campaign trail, “said Hunter in a press statement.” Of the remaining candidates I feel that he is strongly committed to strengthening national defense, constructing the border fence and meeting the challenge of China’s emergence as a military superpower.”
Hunter said one other quality compelled him to endorse the Iowa caucus winner.
“Mike Huckabee is a man of outstanding character and integrity. I saw that character over the last year of campaigning and was greatly impressed, ” Hunter continues.”
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If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything.
"Paradoxically, sometimes the enmity between them appears to be
January 24, 2008 - 11:42 ET by RJsharpest"
Gee, you don't suppose it's yet another example of a bigoted evangelical (believe it or not, there's a few of them around) reacting to Romney's Mormonism, do ya?
....nah, couldn't be that...
You are slipping RJ...
January 24, 2008 - 11:55 ET by vrwc13...it took you over 5 minutes to come back with your:
a) semantic dancing retort
or
b) "you are a bigot" rant
...this time you chose "b)"
Try addressing what was posted...the others (apparently including Hunter, do not like Romney). Surprised? The article said NOTHING of his Mormon faith, only YOU brought it in.
v
Men stumble over the truth from time to time, but most pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing happened. -Winston Churchill.
Like it or not, vrwc, I did address an item from your post.
January 24, 2008 - 13:52 ET by RJSorry if I confused you by using that information to explore a possible cause. I'll try to keep it within your comprehension range next time.
Sorry JR, forgot c)...
January 24, 2008 - 13:58 ET by vrwc13c) insult your intelligence
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But evil people and impostors will flourish. They will deceive others and will themselves be deceived. 2 Timothy 3:13
I'll try being nicer, vrwc
January 24, 2008 - 14:20 ET by RJ...if you'll try being smarter.
c) again JR... v
January 24, 2008 - 14:24 ET by vrwc13c) again JR...
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Hunter like Thompson, lends conservative credentials
January 24, 2008 - 11:53 ET by JayTeeHunter like Thompson, lends conservative credentials to any candidate....and as VP.
I liked Hunter most of all, but he ran behind Ron Paul. I don't like Hunter endorsing Huckabee, but based upon Votes for Hunter, it's an empty gesture. I don't get upset at meaningless acts of futility.
"Barack Obama is a Powerful Speaker—And so is My Bose Bass Amp" Doug Giles
"it's an empty gesture. ....meaningless acts of futility..."
January 24, 2008 - 12:02 ET by vrwc13...ah but the race is far from over. And Hunter is making a statement of who is left for conservatives to support.
Hunter, Thompson, and Tancredo all came up on the top of my list on all the online surveys. But now you have to make a choice of the four remaining. Hunter is giving his opinion to us on who he thinks we ought to throw our support to.
here's another clue: http://www.nytimes.c...
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"Faith doesn't just influence me. It really defines me. I don't have to wake up every day wondering what do I need to believe," Huckabee says in the ad. "Let us never sacrifice our principles for anybody's politics. Not now, not ever."
Hunter Obviously Does not know Everything About the Huckster
January 24, 2008 - 12:02 ET by PopularTechAnn Coulter: “Huckabee is the Republican Jimmy Carter” (Video) (4min)
Ann Coulter: "Huckabee Stupid and easily led" (Video) (2min)
Ann Coulter: "Liberals Adore Huckabee" (Video) (3min)
Rush Limbaugh: Huck 'not a conservative' (The Politico)
"Ladies and gentlemen, Gov. Huckabee, mighty fine man and is a great Christian, is not a conservative, he’s just not. If you look at his record as governor, he’s got some conservative tendencies on things but he’s certainly not the most conservative of the candidates running on the Republican side." - Rush Limbaugh
Rush Limbaugh: Huckabee Is No Ronald Reagan (Rush Limbaugh)
There’s a Huckabee Born Every Minute (Ann Coulter, Human Events)
"I guess Huckabee is one of those pro-sodomy, pro-gay marriage, pro-evolution evangelical Christians" - Ann Coulter
George Will on Mike Huckabee (Video) (1min)
Mike Huckabee Roundhouse Kicked (Video) (1min)
Another Man From Hope. Who is Mike Huckabee? (The Wall Street Journal)
Christian conservatives: Beware of Huckabee (WorldNetDaily)
Meet the Huckster (The San Diego Union-Tribune)
Mike Huckabee is far from being Reagan's heir (The Wall Street Journal)
Obama: Mike Huckabee is My Favorite GOP Candidate (Newsmax)
The Huckabee Hustle (American Thinker)
The False Conservative (Robert Novak, Townhall)
Background:
Age: 52
Education:
- Ordained to ministry Southern Baptist Convention, 1974
- B.A. Religion, Ouachita Baptist University, 1976
Crime and Punishment:
Mike Huckabee's Clemency Record Is Under Scrutiny (FOXNews)
- Huckabee granted 1,033 pardons and commutations, including 12 convicted murderers
Mike Huckabee Supported Early Release for Meth Dealers (Standard Newswire)
Mother of Dumond Victim: "If not for Huckabee, she’d be here for Christmas" (Video) (1min)
Why parole a monster like Green?
Ethics:
NBC Investigates Huckabee's Ethical Shortcomings (Video) (2min)
A Son’s Past Deeds (Dog Torture) Come Back To Bite Huckabee (Newsweek)
Huck's gift-givers ended up in state posts (Politico)
Huckabee Says Flying Confederate Flag a State Issue (The Washington Post)
Huckabee Signed '98 Ad Urging Women to 'Graciously Submit' to Husbands
Education:
Huckabee Backs No Child Left Behind (The Hill)
Huckabee on Education: No to Vouchers, Let Government Fix It (Standard Newswire)
Homeschoolers beware! (WorldNetDaily)
- Huckabee received the endorsement of the New Hampshire NEA
HomeSchoolers Lose Ground with New Law signed by Governor Huckabee (Home School Legal Defense Association)
Fiscal Record:
Huckabee: Raising Taxes OK (Video) (1min)
Huckabee is a Net Tax Hiker of over $505 Million Dollars (Video) (1min)
A Taxing Endeavor (National Review Online)
Arkansas Taxes Up $642 Million Under Huckabee, Report Shows (CNSNews)
Huckabee's Fiscal Record (FactCheck.org)
Huckabee raised more taxes in 10 years in office than Bill Clinton did in his 12 years (The Arkansas Leader)
Huckabee: The Biggest Big-Government Conservative (FOXNews)
Mike Huckabee's Arkansas Record (Club for Growth)
Mike Huckabee is a Liberal - Updated Huckabee White Paper (Club for Growth)
- Huckabee immediately upon taking office signed a sales tax hike in 1996
- Huckabee raised taxes on cigarettes, cigars and tobacco in 1997
- Huckabee raised taxes on cigarette and tobacco permits in 1997
- Huckabee raised the sales tax again in 1999
- Huckabee raised taxes on gasoline in 1999
- Huckabee raised taxes on diesel in 1999
- Huckabee supported an internet sales tax in 2001
- Huckabee levied an excise tax on all retail sales of beer in 2001
- Huckabee created a bed-tax on private nursing home patients in 2001
- Huckabee increased the cost of driver’s licenses in 2001
- Huckabee publicly opposed the repeal of a sales tax on groceries and medicine in 2002
- Huckabee proposed another sales take hike in 2002
- Huckabee raised the sales tax again in 2003
- Huckabee imposed an income tax surcharge on individuals and corporations in 2003
- Huckabee raised taxes on cigarettes and tobacco in 2003
- Huckabee opposed a congressional measure to ban internet taxes in 2003
- Huckabee allowed a 17% sales tax increase to become law in 2004
- Huckabee increased taxes in the state by more than Bill Clinton did
- Huckabee increased state spending 65.3% from 1996 to 2004
- Huckabee increased the number of state government workers 20% during his tenure
- Huckabee refused to pledge not to raise taxes if elected President
Tax Hike Mike
- Overall, Huckabee’s substantial tax hikes far surpassed his modest tax cuts, with the average tax burden increasing by a whopping 47% over his tenure.
Foreign Policy:
Huckabee: Get Rid of Gitmo (Video) (1min)
Mike Huckabee Criticizes Bush Administration for 'Bunker Mentality' on Iraq (FOXNews)
The Holiday Inn Express Candidate (National Review Online)
The Problem With Pastor Mike (National Review Online)
Global Warming:
Huckabee is the only Republican candidate to support the economy crippling Cap and Trade CO2 Legislation, Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) Regulation and Renewable Energy Standards
Illegal Immigration:
Laura Ingraham: Huckabee Is A "Big Loser" On Immigration (Audio) (5min)
Huckabee Supported Scholarships for Illegal Aliens (Video) (5min)
Fact Checker: Pinocchios for Huckabee on Illegals (Washington Post)
Huckabee aid plan for illegal aliens draws 'venom, anger' (Arkansas News Bureau)
Huckabee Liberal on Immigration (Standard Newswire)
Huckabee offered 'no-cost' deal for Mexican Consulate (WorldNetDaily)
Huckabee promotes 'open door' policy at League of United Latin American Citizens (LULAC) convention (Arkansas News Bureau)
Immigration bill un-Christian, anti-life, governor says (Arkansas News Bureau)
Mike Huckabee Supported Bill to Give Driver's Licenses to Illegal Aliens (Arkansas Journal)
Tancredo endorses Romney: "You bet your life Huckabee was a factor" (Hot Air)
Religion:
Huckabee And Ahmadinejad: Perfect Together?
Mike Huckabee to speak at strongly anti-Catholic preacher's church
Pastor, Can You Spare Us? (National Review Online)
The Anti "Man-Made" Global Warming Resource
Sour grapes Pop Tech?
January 24, 2008 - 12:06 ET by vrwc13v
“Mike Huckabee is a man of outstanding character and integrity. I saw that character over the last year of campaigning and was greatly impressed, ” Duncan Hunter
I am sure Hucklebee is a
January 24, 2008 - 12:08 ET by Free StinkerI am sure Hucklebee is a very honest man.
I'm just not sure he will appoint SCOTUS judges like Alito.
I see him as more of a Stevens/O'Conner kind of guy. And I wish I was wrong.
Newsbusters. Log on and find out What the heck is so yummy over here!
Free..SCOTUS judges...
January 24, 2008 - 12:17 ET by vrwc13...if that is a big issue with you, then consider your "faith" in the kind of SCOTUS judges McCain, Romney, or Giuliani would appoint?
I think Huckabee is our best chance.
“Mike Huckabee is a man of outstanding character and integrity. I saw that character over the last year of campaigning and was greatly impressed, ” Duncan Hunter
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"Faith doesn't just influence me. It really defines me. I don't have to wake up every day wondering what do I need to believe," Huckabee says in the ad. "Let us never sacrifice our principles for anybody's politics. Not now, not ever."
Reality = Huckabee has NO CHANCE
January 24, 2008 - 12:20 ET by PopularTechIf Huckabee is nominated Fiscal and Security Conservatives will either not vote or vote for Hillary or Obama. What part of this do you NOT understand?
Huckabee will rally every independent voter in the country AGAINST HIM and I will help.
Huckabee: Raising Taxes OK
The Anti "Man-Made" Global Warming Resource
"independent voter in the country AGAINST HIM and I will help.."
January 24, 2008 - 12:27 ET by vrwc13...and will you be taking your annoying, duplicating, "seen it enough", passe, talking point posts with you?
v
Men stumble over the truth from time to time, but most pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing happened. -Winston Churchill.
You mean My Devastatingly Brutal Reality?
January 24, 2008 - 12:33 ET by PopularTechThe facts hurt, I know.
Huckabee, "The Mike Vic Candidate"
A Son’s Past Deeds (Dog Torture) Come Back To Bite Huckabee (Newsweek)
Huckabee: Raising Taxes OK
The Anti "Man-Made" Global Warming Resource
Your "facts" hurt only because my "scrolling" finger gets tired
January 24, 2008 - 12:45 ET by vrwc13Your "facts" hurt only because my "scrolling" finger gets tired "rolling" past your posts. And like most everyone else, if we have read them, we don't need to see them again.
Ever read the story of "The Boy Who Cried Wolf"?
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Men stumble over the truth from time to time, but most pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing happened. -Winston Churchill.
Yes the Facts Hurt
January 24, 2008 - 12:57 ET by PopularTechThe Boy who cried wolf was repeating a lie, I keep repeating facts and add new ones everyday!
Also learn what the page down key is for or how to adjust you wheel speed and acceleration. Maybe buy a better mouse.
Huckabee: Raising Taxes OK
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except the wolf has aleady been called
January 24, 2008 - 13:05 ET by SouthJersey1953You add new ones every day? I'll bet no one noticed because we all do the same thing. We see your long list of links and just scroll down to the next post....(gets the same reaction as the boy that cried wolf whether or not they are factual - everyone ignores them)
It's not Right vs. Left; it is Right vs. Wrong
Just a suggestion;
January 24, 2008 - 14:40 ET by Hero SquadJust a suggestion; you should probably create a blog or Web page of sorts to serve as your clearinghouse of these article links. Then and create a signature link to your page here so that people interested in delving further or who are seeing you for the first time can go take a look.
For the people who visit here regularly, you would benefit your cause more by just posting your article updates here; because honestly, they are getting lost in the shuffle of what looks like the same post over and over again. That defeats your purpose.
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"People only insist that a debate stop when they are afraid of what might be learned if it continues." - George Will
Huckabee is damn Honest!
January 24, 2008 - 12:17 ET by PopularTechWhen he says he wants to raise taxes he DOES!
Huckabee: Raising Taxes OK (Video) (1min)
- Huckabee immediately upon taking office signed a sales tax hike in 1996
- Huckabee raised taxes on cigarettes, cigars and tobacco in 1997
- Huckabee raised taxes on cigarette and tobacco permits in 1997
- Huckabee raised the sales tax again in 1999
- Huckabee raised taxes on gasoline in 1999
- Huckabee raised taxes on diesel in 1999
- Huckabee supported an internet sales tax in 2001
- Huckabee levied an excise tax on all retail sales of beer in 2001
- Huckabee created a bed-tax on private nursing home patients in 2001
- Huckabee increased the cost of driver’s licenses in 2001
- Huckabee publicly opposed the repeal of a sales tax on groceries and medicine in 2002
- Huckabee proposed another sales take hike in 2002
- Huckabee raised the sales tax again in 2003
- Huckabee imposed an income tax surcharge on individuals and corporations in 2003
- Huckabee raised taxes on cigarettes and tobacco in 2003
- Huckabee opposed a congressional measure to ban internet taxes in 2003
- Huckabee allowed a 17% sales tax increase to become law in 2004
- Huckabee increased taxes in the state by more than Bill Clinton did
- Huckabee increased state spending 65.3% from 1996 to 2004
- Huckabee increased the number of state government workers 20% during his tenure
- Huckabee refused to pledge not to raise taxes if elected President
So when he says he wants to close Gitmo, I believe him!
Huckabee: Get Rid of Gitmo (Video) (1min)
And when he wants to make a decision on foreign policy I know he will stay in a Holiday Inn Express!
The Holiday Inn Express Candidate (National Review Online)
And when he says he wants to rewrite the constitution to God's standards I have to say "Praise the Lord!"
Huckabee: Amend Constitution to Reflect God's Standards (Video) (1min)
Yes I believe Huckabee tells the truth.
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Poptech...an honest question
January 24, 2008 - 12:20 ET by LionKingWhen Huckabee raised all of these taxes, did he actually do it or was it done by the Arkansas state legislature?
He did not veto them
January 24, 2008 - 12:29 ET by PopularTechMany he proposed and signed but he did not Veto a single one. I would have no problem with him on these if had not pandered for many or vetoed them all, even if they were overturned. The fact is - he is an economically illiterate.
Huckabee: Raising Taxes OK
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Sour Grapes? More like Duncan Hunter is Disappointing
January 24, 2008 - 12:08 ET by PopularTechAt least Tancredo knows how to do his homework
Tancredo endorses Romney: "You bet your life Huckabee was a factor" (Hot Air)
Huckabee: Raising Taxes OK
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Pop-Tech - STOP reprinting your book every time Hucks name
January 24, 2008 - 12:49 ET by SouthJersey1953is mentioned. Several people have asked you before to stop, but still you continue. These links you put up about Huck, every time his name comes up, are really getting old.
I really don't see why you feel the need to paste the same 'book' in these threads at least once a day.
It's not Right vs. Left; it is Right vs. Wrong
The Good Book
January 24, 2008 - 12:52 ET by PopularTechAs Huckabee would say it never gets old talking about the Good Book.
Huckabee: Raising Taxes OK
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Just a suggestion;
January 24, 2008 - 14:43 ET by Hero SquadJust a suggestion; you should probably create a blog or Web page of sorts to serve as your clearinghouse of these article links. Then and create a signature link to your page here so that people interested in delving further or who are seeing you for the first time can go take a look.
For the people who visit here regularly, you would benefit your cause more by just posting your article updates here; because honestly, they are getting lost in the shuffle of what looks like the same post over and over again. That defeats your purpose.
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"People only insist that a debate stop when they are afraid of what might be learned if it continues." - George Will
So the other Candidates don't like Romney? That's it?
January 24, 2008 - 12:06 ET by PopularTechSo your argument is that the other candidates do not like him? Wow I
had no idea he was running for the nomination by making friends with
his competition. Some great quotes here:
Mr. Schnur used a schoolyard analogy to compare Mr. Romney, the ever-proper Harvard Law School and Business School graduate, to Mr. McCain, the gregarious rebel who racked up demerits and friends at the Naval Academy.
“John McCain and his friends used to beat up Mitt Romney at recess,” Mr. Schnur said.
Yeah so John McCain was a loser bully who graduated 894th out of 899 in his class, tell us something we do not know. We are well aware of McCain's anger problem:
Andy Card: I Have Seen John McCain's Anger (NewsMax)
John McCain: I Have Anger Issues (NewsMax)
John McCain's Temper Preceded Vietnam (NewsMax)
McCain Goes Nuts Near Senate Floor (NewsMax)
McCain's Out-of-Control Anger: Does He Have the Temperament to Be President? (NewsMax)
Vanity Fair Tiptoes Around McCain's Explosive Temper (NewsMax)
Huckabee: Raising Taxes OK
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Just a suggestion;
January 24, 2008 - 14:44 ET by Hero SquadJust a suggestion; you should probably create a blog or Web page of sorts to serve as your clearinghouse of these article links. Then and create a signature link to your page here so that people interested in delving further or who are seeing you for the first time can go take a look.
For the people who visit here regularly, you would benefit your cause more by just posting your article updates here; because honestly, they are getting lost in the shuffle of what looks like the same post over and over again. That defeats your purpose.
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"People only insist that a debate stop when they are afraid of what might be learned if it continues." - George Will
Need to all read and pass on
January 24, 2008 - 11:39 ET by PawpawNGreat change since 2003 to high 2007-never heard this, did we! http://www.djindexes.com/mdsidx/downloads/xlspages/DJIA_Hist_Perf.xls All we heard during this time was the info on days when DOW tanked! Seems Dow increased 4939.09 from low in 2003 to high in 2006 by this chart. Add another over 1800 in 2007, that's increase of over 6700 points from 2003. Can someone say correction instead of whipping the R word out whenever we have a slight down ward period! Oh, but that's right, SOROS told them all to say "IT'S THE ECOMONY STUPID!"
Agreement in House!
January 24, 2008 - 11:47 ET by PawpawNSeems when they need to people on Capital Hill can work together. This is not yet a done deal, but small business should like.
http://apnews.excite.com/article/20080124/D8UCARC81.html
& who said Nancy couldn't get anything done! Just not done her way!
I'm shocked!
January 24, 2008 - 11:56 ET by DyneA link to a favorable article about Ron Paul on the NB front page?
http://www.cnsnews.c...
Either that CNS headlines list updates automatically or the editor isn't paying enough attention.
"Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them." -Matthew 7:20
The Truth About John McCain
January 24, 2008 - 11:56 ET by PopularTech"I believe my party has gone astray. I think the Democratic Party is a fine party, and I have no problems with it, in their views and their philosophy." - John McCain
Age: 71
- Graduated 894th out of 899 in his class at the United States Naval Academy
Betrayal, deceit, corruption and John McCain (The U.S. Veteran Dispatch)
"While still married to Carol, McCain began an adulterous relationship with Cindy. He married Cindy in May 1980 - just a month after dumping his crippled wife and securing a divorce."
John McCain: The Geraldo Rivera Republican (Human Events)
McCain: I'll Respect Hillary (NewsMax)
The Real McCain Record (National Review Online)
Abortion:
John McCain Supports Embryonic Stem Cell Research (Audio)
McCain Softens Abortion Stand (The Washington Post)
"But certainly in the short term, or even the long term, I would not support repeal of Roe v. Wade, which would then force X number of women in America to [undergo] illegal and dangerous operations." - John McCain
Anger Issues:
Andy Card: I Have Seen John McCain's Anger (NewsMax)
John McCain: I Have Anger Issues (NewsMax)
John McCain's Temper Preceded Vietnam (NewsMax)
McCain Goes Nuts Near Senate Floor (NewsMax)
McCain's Out-of-Control Anger: Does He Have the Temperament to Be President? (NewsMax)
Vanity Fair Tiptoes Around McCain's Explosive Temper (NewsMax)
Foreign Policy:
McCain falls asleep during the State of the Union Address (Video)
McCain: No 'Torture' for 9/11 Mastermind (NewsMax)
McCain to Close Gitmo: "The first day I am President" (Video)
McCain: Torture Worked on Me (NewsMax)
Global Warming:
McCain and Lieberman Push for New Anti-Global Warming Legislation (The National Center for Public Policy Research)
Senators McCain and Lieberman Propose Energy Tax (The National Center for Public Policy Research)
"No drilling in ANWR, nor in the Everglades, nor off the coast of Florida... To think that drilling in ANWR is the solution to our incredible energy needs is frankly, is not keeping in the reality of what's there, and what it would take to get it out" - John McCain
Illegal Immigration:
John McCain gets a 'D' on his Immigration Voting Report Card (Americans for Better Immigration)
- McCain favors business lobbyists’ desires for foreign workers vs. protecting American workers’ wages and jobs
- McCain’s hopes of giving millions amnesty will saddle American taxpayers with huge costs of $20,000 per illegal per year
- McCain has taken the pro-amnesty position in nearly two dozen votes
- McCain only promises to make 2 million of the 12-20 million illegal aliens go home
John McCain Praises Pro-illegal Protests (NewsMax)
McCain called plan 'amnesty' in 2003 (WorldNetDaily)
"I think we can set up a program where amnesty is extended to a certain number of people, Amnesty has to be an important part..." - John McCain, 2003
Michigan Crowd Boos McCain On Illegal Immigration (Video) (1min)
McCain Voted For Illegal Immigrants To Collect Social Security (UC Daily News)
U.S. Border Patrol Agents Angry with McCain (NewsMax)
Marriage:
McCain: Same-sex marriage ban is un-Republican (CNN)
Taxes:
McCain Boasts That He Voted Against The Bush Tax Cuts (Video)
McCain Would Vote Against Tax Cuts Again (The Club for Growth)
- McCain sponsored and voted for an enormous 282% tax increase on cigarettes in 1998
- McCain was one of only two Republican to vote against the $1.35 trillion tax cut in 2001
- McCain was one of only two Republicans to twice vote against permanent repeal of the death tax in 2002
- McCain was one of only three Republican to twice vote against the $350 billion tax cut in 2003
McCain’s Costly Tax on Energy (National Review Online)
- The EPA Estimates Sen. McCain's Plan Would Hike Gas Taxes By 68 Cents Per Gallon
- The EPA Estimates Sen. McCain's Plan Would Reduce United States GDP By As Much As $5.2 Trillion
McCain Rejects Anti-Tax Pledge (CNSNews)
Veterans:
McCain Can't Buy His Way Out of Votes Against Funding for Veterans
- McCain Voted Against $19 Billion for Military Hospitals
- McCain Voted Against Amendment to Provide $2.8 Billion For Veterans' Medical Care
- McCain Voted Against 2005 Amendment to Provide Guaranteed Funding Stream for Veterans' Health Care
- McCa