Championship Sunday Open Thread


It's Championship Sunday: Do you know where your bigscreen TV is?

I gotta say that I'm more excited about today's conference championships than any in years, mostly because of the old school nature of the Giants taking on the Packers on the frozen tundra of Lambeau Field. Honestly, for a real football fan, with all these new stadiums, some of them indoor, many with astroturf, does it get any better than this?

Add in the whole story line of an aging Brett Favre, having been written off by so many sportswriters, fans, and pundits, possibly taking his team back to the Super Bowl. If that's not why we watch sports, what is?

So, who do you like here, and why?

As for the Patriots and Chargers, if you're not a New England fan, and aren't rooting for the underdog here, please explain why? Would you really root for Goliath if present at that historic matchup? Would there be anything more delicious than a banged-up team from Southern California going into frozen Foxboro and stickin' it to the cocky Patriots and their cocky fans? Or, is a marquee matchup between Brett and Tom in the Super Bowl so desirable that David should take a fall for our future entertainment pleasure?

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Delicious?

I smell a Noel Sheppard San Diego bias in that one.  Cocky Patriots and cocky fans?  Noel......are you a hater?

Stultus est sicut stultus facit

Hey 88..  I think you

Hey 88..  I think you nailed it there.  LOL..

As for today's matchups, the New York/Green Bay matchup is a classic!  I'm soooo glad that I will be sitting on my warm comfortable couch watching this one..  or either matchup for that matter..  it will be damn bitter cold in Foxboro today.  

I'm pulling for the Giants, and frankly, I'd like to see the Patriots win.  The Giants played a great game against NE a few weeks ago.  I'd like a re-match.

Everybody stay warm and enjoy the games!  

Packers/Giants

I hear you on this one.  I can't wait to watch it.  Two classic teams in classic Lambeau Field when it's colder than a well diggers......ummm.......nether regions.  You KNOW you'll see a couple of crazy cheese heads in the stands with no shirt on.

Stultus est sicut stultus facit

old sailor

i believe Noel hails from Cal Bear territory by the big bay (not to say ours -- San Diego and Mission -- aren't better) 

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It will be colder in Green Bay

Than Hillary was toward Bill 10 years ago.

→ Well, OldSailor

I'll be curled up in front of CBS watching the Global Warming show.

The frozen tundra is just a myth.  Global warming is real.

Believe that?

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CA

Not for a second.  If I were on the Daily Kommunist, or if it were Syrius, Leon, and Balboa posting that, maybe.

Stultus est sicut stultus facit

ICE BOWL II

Cowboys missed their chance this year.  Eli deserves to have a good game.

But you gotta love the childlike energy old man Favre brings to the game.

Take it all the way Bret.  Technically you ain't the best ever,  But heart cannot be measured either.

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OS

OS,

Hater? Moi? Nah.

I don't like Belichick, as he seems to be an extremely disagreeable individual. This year, when the Pats played the Colts, he practically snubbed Tony Dungy after the game. One of the most classless things I've seen from a head coach in years.

Beyond this, Randy Moss has been a disgrace for this league and this game since he first stepped onto the field for the Vikings. To me, he represents everything that's wrong with professional sports, and it would make me very unhappy if he ever won a Super Bowl ring.

I am a person who appreciates the personalities in sports as well as the competition. As such, in my view, the personalities of these two high-profile Patriots leave a lot to be desired, and make me root against the team's success. Fair enough? ns

Noel

Fair enough, my friend.   Belichick is a bit of an ass, and Randy has been bad in the past for sure.  Randy deserves a break, though.  Everyone deserves a second chance to grow up, and I think Randy has done that, so I don't hold it against him. 

Stultus est sicut stultus facit

OS

OS,

Randy was given multiple second chances to grow up in Minnesota. If you remember, Cris Carter took him under his wing to try to get him to behave, and finally gave up.

Furthermore, he was given another "second chance" in Oakland, and was a complete disaster.

Right now, he seems to be walking the straight and narrow. If he continues to do so, and becomes a walking billboard for kids and athletes behaving better, I'll become a fan of his. Until that point, I think he's a loose cannon waiting to explode that Belichick and Company have done a good job keeping under wraps. Time will tell if this is a long-term recovery, or a rally in a bear market. :-) ns

Could It Be Possible

It just might be that Randy needed an a-hole coach like Belichik to turn him around!

FYI, I live in New England, and none of the Pats fans I know could be described as "cocky". We're just enjoying the ride while it lasts.

Del

Del,

Before I respond, living in New England, would you say that Pats and Red Sox fans are now one and alike? ns

One and alike In what way, Noel?

What are you trying to say?  huh? huh?  Are you saying we're aggressive and obnoxious and cocky or something?  huh?  huh?

 

RJ and JC

RJ and JC,

The question was a serious one: are Patriots fans also Red Sox fans?

Reason for the question: in recent years, Red Sox fans attending baseball games in Northern California are the worst behaved by far.

Years ago, although being a diehard A's fan, my second-favorite team was the Sox. My parents up until this year lived in Western Massachusetts; I honeymooned in Boston. Love that town.

However, about five years ago or so before the Sox won their first World Series, Sox fans at the Coliseum became unbearable. To give you an idea of just how bad: worse than Yankees fans. In fact, not even close.

When the Sox played the Giants in interleague I believe it was two years ago, the behavior of their fans at Pacbell Park was abysmal, so much so that our newspapers wrote about it. Friends of mine present said that they had never witnessed such behavior from baseball fans in their lives.

Now, maybe this is just how transplanted Sox fans behave, for in the past several years, I have seen two games at Fenway, and observed no such behavior. Had a blast both times, including a few years ago when the A's were in Boston, and my kids and I were in A's gear. Nobody mistreated us at all.

However, the behavior of these transplants in "my" ballpark, and across the Bay, has soured me on this team. Make sense? ns

If You think Red Sox Fans are bad..

You Might want to attend a Match at the Lions den( Chelsea FC ). :) We had to have a police escort int,and out of the stadium .

Noel

I'm serious when I say that I suspect the overblown concept of "Red Sox Nation" has brought in an element of tagalong riff-raff to some areas....too many to have all come from Boston.  

Here in CT, where the split between Yankee and Red Sox fans is pretty equal, there's a lot of friendly banter, but it's rarely "obnoxious."     :^)

Sounds Like a Localized Problem

That's a shame. Sounds like a new generation of transplants.

BTW, I went to a Red Sox-A's game in Oakland back in the 1970s and it was a blast. Of course, that was two years after Finley broke up the team that had won 3 World Series in a row, so the A's were awful. Only 3,000 people in the stands, on a Friday night in August.

Del

Del,

Were the bases orange then? ns

Don't Think So

I was there in 1976. I'm pretty sure the bases were white. This was before they enclosed the stadium too.

One of the highlights of the evening was before the game, they brought the mascot, Charlie O the Mule, to mow the infield.

I don't think so. I think

I don't think so. I think die-hard Sox fans will always play up the rag-tag underdog angle, no matter how well they do. It's not cockiness so much as unconditional fanaticism.

"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors."
-Emily Bronte

Noel, well ok, in terms of

Noel, well ok, in terms of general boorishness, yes. New England fans have never been big on the concepts of sportsmanship or decorum.

Glad to hear your affinity for Western Mass and Boston. I have deep roots in both, and people too often forget that W. Mass exists...tell someone you live "West of Worcester" and they're likely to say "So...Albany?"

"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors."
-Emily Bronte

JC

JC,

For health reasons, my parents just sold their place in Cheshire, MA. Familiar with it? About ten minutes from Pittsfield?

They bought there about 30 years ago to be able to watch the BSO at Tanglewood every summer. ns

I Have No Idea

Noel, I haven't gone to Fenway in years, so have no idea how the fans there behave, but I've heard they're pretty rowdy. The Pats fans have calmed down quite a bit since the Kraft family took over.

It's called c-o-a-c-h-i-n-g, Noel

1) Do you think Patriots fans care for a nano-second whether or not Belichik is "likeable?" When did coaching football turn into a "likeability" contest? The man is a brilliant coach....period.

2) "Took him under his wing?"  What are they running up there in Minnesota, a liberal feel-good Outward Bound Program For Wayward Boys?   A football coach isn't Dr. Phil, and Belechik understands that.  Maybe if Minnesota had a coach who could connect with Moss on a grown-up level, get him to grow up and bring him into the team concept as Belechik has, there would have been no need for "multiple second chances."   :^)

 

LOL RJ

i saw the comment header only, said to myself 'that must be RJ' and sure enough when i clicked here you are.  Got your barbee and brews ready? 

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Ready to go, botg...you?

Meanwhile, just having a little fun at the expense of the Belechik-haters.    :^)

P.S.  The only important "likeability" factor regarding Belechik is that his players seem to be pretty damned proud to work for him.

Not ready yet RJ

i still need to run down to the local Hawaiian BBQ shop 

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18 - 0

Let the Patriot/Belichik hate flow....    :^)

Got to Admit

Coach Bill was extremely civil with Norvous Turner after the game...

The Chargers deserve a lot of credit. In factm if Rivers had been completely healthy they could have pulled off an upset.

I give the Chargers credit, too, Del.

They put up a determined effort, and made a game of it.  

But I don't buy into the "if only" thing.  For example, the Patriot's loss of Rosevelt Colvin in November could have easily ended their perfect season, but the key attribute of Belichik and the Pats is their ability to assess and adapt to problems like injuries and different game plans of opponents. 

rj

18-0

awesome!

ever been here?

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Ha, botg...Patriot Planet?

No.   Good site.   :^)

Patriot Planet

open chat for the game

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KRAFT gets the HUNT

trophy?

some kind of corporate mixing there

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RJ

RJ,

Actually, it seems to me that you're taking a liberal position in claiming that an employee's poor performance and maladaptive behavior is management's fault and not their own. :-)

So, Randy's problem at Minnesota was Dennis Green's fault? Really?

Hmmm. That doesn't sound like conservative thinking to me. :-) ns

Noel, you're the one who said

the coach took Moss "under his wing", like an ersatz Dr. Phil....and only a liberal would embrace the concept of offering "multiple second chances."   

Obviously, like a true conservative, Belichik just told Moss to grow up....something Randy seems to have done.    :^)

Moss

Are you sure he's walking the straight and narrow these days?

We'll find out eventually, won't we?

In the meantime, Moss went directly to Belichik with an (accepted) explanation and a concern that it would interfer with the team (imagine that: a "selfish" player like Moss being concerned that he would harm the team).   

From your linked story:  "However, the Boston Globe reported today that Moss' agent, Tim DiPiero, stated in an e-mail that he contacted the FBI and U.S. attorney's office in Moss' home state of West Virginia last week alleging that the woman's attorney was trying to "shake down" Moss.   DiPiero's e-mail also said that McGill threatened that Washington had "lots of dirt" on Moss and might reveal it unless Moss paid her an amount with six figures."

Bad Behavior

Chargers had the Pats beaten last year. Stupid penalities and acting like idiots cost the Chargers the game. Then Tomlinson had a fit after thegame because the pats were celebrating their victory.

 

Rivers sure was a jerk at the game in Indianapolis with the fans.

With a 53 players roster, every team is going to have there share of immature athletes.

Mike

Mike,

Are you putting LT's behavior after one game on the same level as Randy Moss's behavior throughout his entire career? ns

Play off games and Tennis

I love Football. Grew up watching Navy and Redskins. I am planted infront of the TV today at 11:00 watching Tennis and at 3 watching Football.

I am an old NFC fan so my heart is with the Giants or Packers.

With the maiden name "Winslow", born in San Diego, living in Florida, I am going with the Chargers over Patriots.

Packers or Giants? This is tough for me because i love both. Leaning Giants BUT gotta love Packers???? What to do???  

 

Chargers over Patriots?

Chargers over Patriots? Ha, we crushed the Chargers in September, and we'll do it again!

Sorry, this 17-0 streak has gone to our heads up here in New England...

"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors."
-Emily Bronte

cocky Patriots?

cocky fans?

Noel i found this cool link searching for 'Patriots' 

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Good find botg. Now you got

Good find botg. Now you got me spending money, worth it thogh

hey i figure

you have a close call in the game you just may have to check

the Code of Hammurabi   or

the  Magna Charta 

Seriously though these resources really are cool to have

GO PATRIOTS

btw: are you buying framed copies of US documents?

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Gotta love my G-Men today.

Gotta love my G-Men today. My season was made by beating Dallas. This week is pure gravy.

Big Championship Sunday watching with family, friends, beer and chili.  Could it get any better.   Only if it ends with a trip to AZ.

Normally don't give a lab

Normally don't give a lab rat's pin-pricked posterior about the NFL ... But look forward to the Packers/Giants game in Green Bay.

Was 2* here in NEOhio this morning ... Only expected to hit 8* for the day, with wind chills around -12* ... Gonna be worse in Green Bay.

Hell will have frozen over in Green Bay! HEH!

 Go Patriots!!  I would

 Go Patriots!!  I would like to see a New England/GB Superbowl.  If that happens and my Patriots win they can say that they beat all the best teams the AFC and NFC had thereby making them the best football team EVER!! 

Screw diversity, celebrate competancy

It Will Be COLD

I feel sorry for the players and the fans in Green Bay. Here is the forecast (Currently -11 degrees)...

Today: Sunny and cold, with a high near 2. Wind chill values between -20 and -30. West wind between 10 and 14 mph.

Tonight: Mostly cloudy, with a low around -9. Wind chill values between -15 and -20. West northwest wind between 6 and 8 mph.

Foxboro Forecast: Today: A chance of snow showers, mainly between noon and 3pm. Mostly cloudy, with a high near 24. West wind between 14 and 16 mph, with gusts as high as 26 mph. Chance of precipitation is 30%. Little or no snow accumulation expected. 

Here in Central Texas, we got down to 17 last night. The streets are deserted. No one here owns anything that they can wear outside in that cold of a temperature, so we are staying inside until the Texas sun warms things up. Stupid Global Warming, where are you??? 

Oh, I'm going with Patriots and Packers. I have no reason to believe that they won't do what they did last week.

Global Warming messed up our snow

Here in eastern NC we were supposed to have gotten several inches of snow last night from a system moving up the coast. It was the same system that dumped snow in the Hotlanta area. Well the cold air didn't make in time so it was mostly rain. Temps tonight are supposed to be in teens. Right now the winds are at about 25 mph out of the northeast making it feel cold. Damn global warming messed up our snow. We don't get much but it is nice to see it once in a while.

"May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't.” General George S. Patton.

Here's what I'd like to see

I would like to see the Packers beat the Giants and the Charger beat the Pats. My reasoning: Eli Manning refused to go to San Diego. That would be a slap in his face if the Chargers, the team he turned down, went to the Super Bowl and he went home. And to add insult to injury Phillip Rivers won the Super Bowl.

Eli Manning is the most overated QB in the league. I guess it has something to do with the NY press's overhype. He is not worthy of carrying Farve's jockstrap. He will never be anywhere near as good as Payton nor his dad.

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Old Rivers

I can just hear the background music after the Chargers win the SuperBowl,  Walter Brennan.

ONE OF THESE DAYS I'M GONNA CLIMB THAT MOUNTAIN;
WALK UP THERE AMONG THEM CLOUDS,
WHERE THE COTTON'S HIGH AND THE CORN'S A-GROWIN',
AND THERE AIN'T NO FIELDS TO PLOW.

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eli

Eli is not over rated, as a matter of fact his stats are not that great. That being said he's ahead of where Payton was at this stage of his career. GO GIANTS!

Dontab

Let me rephrase. Overhyped by the media may be better. I felt the same way about Elway's subbing of the Colts as I do Manning's snubbing the Chargers.Do you think that the weather is going may be a plus for the Packers?

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Eli

Unlike Peyton, Eli has to play in one of the biggest sports media fishbowls in the US, NY City. The only other media city that comes close is Boston, as Ted Williams found out. The Bawston sports writers are brutal.

Go Packers!

Do you know where your bigscreen TV is?

Yep.  It's still at Best Buy waiting for me.

Uphill

Uphill,

Mine too...kind of. I've got a 36-inch tube HDTV, but am looking to upgrade to a much larger LCD or plasma. Can't decide what I want yet. ns

Customer satisfaction...not

Best Buy wouldn't go for the $1 a week payment plan for two thousand consecutive weeks.

Noel

If you're going to do it...do it all the way.

58" plasma...mine's a Panasonic.   I can't believe I waited so long.  Plus the surround sound is awesome.  I can't imagine watching my Gators any other way....or any other team for that matter.

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

 If your a Redskin's fan

 If your a Redskin's fan like me Blonde, that would be 58" of pain in 5.0.

"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "

                   - Ben Kenobi on  Liberals, and the MSM.

                               " The Cake is a lie."   

B

B,

Sounds good. :-) ns

NS

It is all that ...in fact, it's delicious (funny story, that...it's your trademark, enjoy!). 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Blonde

I can only imagine the pain of watching the Gators lose to Michigan with a big o' TV like that. 

I like Belichek for the

I like Belichek for the exact same reasons you dislike him.  My sense is he distains the media for the same reason I do.  Sports media (all MSM for that matter) are a bunch of girly men (i.e. libs). 

 I told more than one sports writer in my career to beat it, I had nothing to say to them.  Actually I was a little more diplomatic than that but not by much.  They're a bunch of scum bags as far as I'm concerned.  Too bad Belichek doesn't have the guts to say screw you to the NFL--I don't do post game interviews and I don't talk to the media prior to the Super Bowl.

I also agree 100% with not shaking the opponents hand.  I was there to beat their a$$, not shake their hand.  I made no apologies for throwing at a batters head.  Was tossed out of my share of games for it.  That's OK.  It had the desired effect and batters thought twice about digging in when they came to bat against me.     

A Prime Example

And some of the sports writers here in New England are in fact world-class A-holes.

Pats over Packers in the

Pats over Packers in the Super Bowl

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2 for 4

I was only right on 2 games last week and this week we will see soon.

It is not too bad in Green Bay today as I have the same weather. The sun is warm, but the problem is going to be when it gets dark as it will be 5 below to 10 for the game.


Home field goes to Green Bay
Kampman and the corners go to Green Bay
Running game Green Bay
Quarterback Green Bay
Passing game goes to Green Bay

Pass rush goes to the Giants

Kicking game is neutral as it the linebackers and coaching.

But if the Giants can get at Farve and stop the run in the backfield, they have an optimum chance of winning........but except for Farve being cold in Chicago........The match says Green Bay wins by 21.

In Foxboro, people are speaking of banged up San Diego, but not noticing these factors.
The Pats linebackers are old, slow and Teddy quit tackling last week.
Their secondary is porous to the pass.
Their line is open to slashing run of the Chargers.

On the offensive side, since the NFL took my published advice and started knocking up Randy Moss and blitzing Brady, their offense shuts down.
The Pats running game is nothing and will be dismal due to the fast linebackers of San Diego.

Match ups are simple.
Pats win on Brady coupled with Wes Welker.

Chargers win on overwhelming defense, LT and some very good wide recievers opening holes that even a second string quarterback can pass too.......they are proven that good.

If the Chargers follow my published game plan of knocking up Moss, floating Merriman in front of Welker for short pass interceptions AND a little flush blitz I have been working on in sending a safety or lineback to Brady's right to get him looking there and in a stunt instead send in Merriman on Brady's blind side in passing to drive a shoulder pad into his kidneys as he eats turf EARLY IN THE GAME. The entire Pats team will fold as Brady will be so stiff in the cold he will not be able to play effectively.

My pick: Chargers 28 Pats 17.

 

 

 

*HIC IACET ARTORIVS REX QVONDAM REXQVE FVTVRVS

lame

why not just flip a coin?  it is equally valid to your demonstrated prognosticational abilities.  And a lot faster.

Pats by 10 

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That's funny Lame Cherry...the NFL took YOUR published advice?

You're joking, right?

"The Pats linebackers are old, slow and Teddy quit tackling last week."

Except, last week the Pats held the Jags to 80 rushing yards, 70 below their average.

What all your armchair coaching plans overlook is that the Belichik and the players adjust and adapt to whatever gameplan is thrown at them.  Along with that, they make fewer dumb mistakes and they protect the ball better than most teams.  It's a Belichik mantra.

As far as knocking Brady down, the Giants tried that with hit after hit, and Brady never flinched.  For the entire game, he stood there to the last second to get his pass off, even though he knew another hit was bearing down on him.  In that game, Brady impressed me with his cojones.  He's a man, and he wins football games.

Patsies?

Yeah, they "folded" all right.

Del

when it comes to football Lame is just,    well, ---- Lame™ 

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Yep

On Lame's planet, the Patriots running game is nonexistent. Today, Maroney got 122 yards, and most of it was in the second half. NE had 13 first downs by rushing, as opposed to SD's 4.

Well, Lame,

you're in a groove. Missed two predictions last week, and missed two this week.

The fix is in...

The Super Bowl will pit New England against Green Bay.

Playing in his final game, Brett Favre will almost-singlehandedly beat the Patriots, and be crowned as "The Greatest Ever Quarterback".

Favre will be carried off the field by members of the 1972 Miami Dolphins -- flown in by the NFL for the purpose.

 

scam

scam,

Works for me. ns

Shades of Super Bowl XL

Remember all the talk about how great it would be for Bettis to win a Super Bowl in his home town in his last game?

Was there really any doubt about the outcome of that one?

 

scam

scam,

Yeah, there was doubt. It was a close game if you recall. If Seattle's big mouth tight end -- don't remember his name! -- would have caught a ball or two thrown right in his hands, the Seahawks win that game going away.

Don't get me wrong -- I was rooting for the Steelers. However, that wasn't a walk away for Pittsburgh. ns

Jerramy Stevens

You're thinking of former Husky Jerramy Stevens, who drank his way out of Seattle.

I'm thinking of calls that went against Seattle -- either killing Seattle drives or keeping Pittsburgh drives alive.

That game and the NBA draft that put Patrick Ewing in New York are the only two times I've ever thought a fix was in.

scam

scam,

Well, for me as a Bay Area resident, that draft sent Ewing to NY, and although the Warriors should have had the first pick, they ended up with the seventh.

That was a JOKE! ns

Bay Area

Noel,

Whereabouts?

I have family in Belmont and Mountain View. Maybe you're a neighbor.

 

scam

scam,

About 30 - 40 miles from each. ns

No must do the GREEN thing, no jet!

No, must do the GREEN thing and be motored in by Priuses!! 

Green Bay - New England SB

 

Chargers are trying to win by kicking field goals...unfortunately for them the Patriots have decided that scoring TDs is the best way to win this game.

The GB-NY game should be good, but I think the Pack's going to the Super Bowl this year. Gotta love Manning & co. for taking out the Cowboys. Even though I'm a life long Packer fan, I don't think we could win in Dallas. Something about that place does weird things to Favres mind...and his arm.

Current temp at Lambeau is about 1 degree, global warming? Not in Green Bay Al.

 

 

 

 

Folly! All is Folly!

It's not that Green Bay lost; it's the way they lost that frosts (of course, -24 wind chill will do that).

I guess this means the New York ratings for the Super Bowl will be good.

Sheesh!

the fix is in??!!

what fix were you talking about again there scamorama??

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Well, my copy of the script

Well, my copy of the script had GB winning...

I'm blaming the writers' strike.

 <g>

 

And,

I'll bet every available member of the'72 Dolphins will be on the NY sideline...

just as long as mercury has his tux

;^ )

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Mercury

They say nobody could follow a white line better than Mercury.

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Mercury

Mercury

phone call for Mercury

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