For general discussion and debate. Possible talking point: Bill Clinton regularly losing his temper...
After weeks of complaining publicly about Barack Obama’s record, the news media’s coverage of the Democratic presidential race, or both, Mr. Clinton on Wednesday ripped into a television reporter who had asked him about a Nevada lawsuit concerning participation in the state’s caucuses this Saturday. Mr. Clinton believed the question had seemed sympathetic to Mr. Obama’s stakes in the suit, Clinton campaign officials said.
The former president continually seems tense and agitated. Is this an indication of how Hillary's campaign is going, or something more to do with Bill himself?














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I agree, the guy is
January 18, 2008 - 11:04 ET by motherbeltThe guy is definitely losing it. I have a feeling his wife told him to strap on a pair and get out there and start fighting for her and acting like he wants her to win.
I love it how he turns the tables on the reporter..instead of answering the question he fires questions back at the reporter:
Do you really think all the Democrats understood? ...blah blah blah...So your position is.... that those voters yada yada yada....is that your position?
That's a typical liberal tactic, perfected by the Clintons.
I hope he keeps doing it. He's reminding everyone of everything we want to forget about the 90's.
mb, you and I have agreed in the past that Bill
January 18, 2008 - 11:07 ET by RJis conflicted over whether or not he really wants Hillary to win. Could be his recent behavior is a result of the strain of that conflict.
In my imagination, I see the conflict to be both internal and in interactions with Mrs. Clinton. That latter thought (to steal a word from Noel) is delicious!
Yes,we agree, RJ. My
January 18, 2008 - 11:20 ET by motherbeltYes,we agree, RJ. My mental image of Bill is him pumping his right fist in the air for his wife, while his left hand is sprinkling sand into the gears.... LOL...you're right...it IS "delicious."
Wish a reporter would strap
January 18, 2008 - 13:02 ET by Hero SquadWish a reporter would strap on a pair and respond, "just answer the question."
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"There are no stupid questions. Only stupid people who ask questions." - Chris Berman
Kind of reminiscent of the
January 18, 2008 - 11:02 ET by LyndsiM07Kind of reminiscent of the old days when he gave a testy speech over the Monica Lewinsky scandal.
Lyndsi
January 18, 2008 - 11:16 ET by Cool ArrowI think that was a testes peach, not a testy speech.
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Bill's problem
January 18, 2008 - 11:07 ET by jay_1975I think Bill "Stains" Clinton is upset that the media are not falling at his feet like they have for the past seven years. He thought that by showing up with his wife that she would just be propelled into the White House by the MSM and now he is finding out that their baggage is just too much for most to handle.
It's all about Bill
January 18, 2008 - 11:07 ET by Prester JohnAlways has been, always is, always will be.
I've said what I think is
January 18, 2008 - 11:16 ET by motherbeltI've said what I think is going on vis-a-vis his wife's campaign.
On the question
or something more to do with Bill himself?
I think it has a LOT to do with himself. With Bill Clinton it is always about him. That's why his speeches about her always recap HIS accomplishments.. he would see her victory as a vindication for him. Also, I think they both considered Obama an "upstart" with no real traction. Neither one of them expected the "Obamarama" that has sprung up. They thought it would be a cake-walk back to the White House, and he is royally p%$#ed off that now they have to fight for what they saw as their "due." And it's starting to show. (I keep waiting for him to go over the edge and call Obama "uppity." LOL....
if dems were smart
January 18, 2008 - 11:18 ET by pwozthey'd continue to play the victim card and have the obama/hillary ticket. they'll still lose, but they'll get more votes if they run together
Her Royal Clintoness ain't
January 18, 2008 - 11:22 ET by motherbeltHer Royal Clintoness ain't playin' second fiddle to nobody! I'm sure she's planning on having him as HER VP!
How do we know if his
January 18, 2008 - 11:24 ET by MidAmericaHow do we know if his outbursts are not just staged. The man is a pathological liar.
The scary part is, if hillary gets elected, he and hillary will get even with those who 'betrayed' them. You'll be able to walk across the Potomac with all the bodies floating in it.
The citizens lose one, win
January 18, 2008 - 11:27 ET by motherbeltThe citizens lose one, win one in California.
The state schools incorporate text books that teach "Jihad" as "doing good works" and immersing students in Islam.
On the other hand, the State backs off on its plan to control home thermostats (with appropriate nod to the "importance" of the consumer making those decisions LOL)
MB
January 18, 2008 - 13:51 ET by RESTLESS 1Don't really see this as and even trade-off. While I am certainly for keeping govt. out of the home, I'm deeply concerned with our children being blatantly lied to in the schools. I don't think even Muslims believe that jihad means "good works" or "defending oneself from harm". What a crock.
Besides, how did they intend to enforce the thermostat thing? Were they going to control the thermostats through the factory, or would they look at heating and cooling bills to determine if someone had set one "incorrectly".
Edit: Never mind, the link says they wanted to control them remotely. Gotta love that govt. intervention don't you? Geez!!
How rich was it that a
January 18, 2008 - 12:00 ET by BruzillaHow rich was it that a teacher's union filed a lawsuit to prohibit casino workers from voting where they work, when the moct common location for polling stations for decades have been schools!!!
Yes, I noticed that also...
January 18, 2008 - 13:11 ET by SouthJersey1953NEA is champion of "do as I say, not as I do"
It's not Right vs. Left; it is Right vs. Wrong
School Teachers
January 18, 2008 - 13:23 ET by mikebromoThe caucus is on Saturday when all culinary trades are working and school teachers have the day off. Go figure
Joe Kline and Wetbacks
January 18, 2008 - 12:06 ET by BruzillaI was watching Joe Kline on the Tavis Smiley show the other night, and the following was said during a discussion of Romney's pandering:
Tavis: I guess I'm lost for a quick second here, because I guess it depends on one's definition of pessimistic. But if Romney believes that the American people don't want to be told a bunch of negative stuff, why is that pessimism? He might not be a truth-teller, he might not be courageous, but why is that pessimism?
Klein: Well, it's pessimism for a simple reason: because he doesn't have faith in the public's ability to hear the truth, make sacrifices, and act on the truth. If you have a cynical view of the world and you think, oh, people just want to hear I'm going to lower your taxes and kick out all those wetbacks, then that's pretty pessimistic when you think about your view of human nature.
But if you think that the public can handle the truth, which is that in order to get universal health insurance, which we need in this country, we're going to have to pay a little bit higher taxes, and that we can find a path to citizenship for the 12 million here illegally, then that's kind of optimistic about your view of humanity.
Tavis: So before I get asked about it, I'm going to let you explain what you meant by wetbacks.
Klein: Well I was just using that in the derogatory way that a lot of people out in the country are using it. I certainly don't think of them in that way; I think of them as undocumented workers. And my position on immigration is really pretty radical. I think anybody who is willing to crawl across a desert or get in a boat from Haiti and go across shark-infested waters to come here is going to turn out to be a pretty successful American citizen because they'll work hard.
So how is it that Kline can use a word that's as derogatory to Mexicans as the "N" word is to blacks, and get away with it?
"So how is it that Kline
January 18, 2008 - 12:19 ET by NCConservative"So how is it that Kline can use a word that's as derogatory to Mexicans as the "N" word is to blacks, and get away with it?"
Because he was simply "interpreting" the thoughts of evil and racist conservatives, because, after all, that is they way all conservatives think of illegals. </sarc off>
The Left
January 18, 2008 - 12:46 ET by well99Are allowed to because they are saveing us from ourselves.Two standards here but that is ok.The left is looking out for us./sarc off
Agreed that it is
January 18, 2008 - 14:19 ET by BinxlyAgreed that it is hypocritical, but for a site that is not a fan of PC, why are we going after this guy? If Rush or Hannity had said it, the defense of him using it in jest would come out in droves.
Focus on the issue and the person speaking and what they are saying. Not that person's politics.
That said, I find it refreshing. Africans can use the word 'white devil' 'honkey' and all sorts of derogatory terms that dont really bother me, and slavery has been over for a long time now. If they wanna play that game, we should make it fair. If a black man can call me a honkey on the air with no reprimand, a white man should be able to say 'nigger' or 'wetback.'
Crawl across the dessert?
January 18, 2008 - 13:04 ET by kenro85Let me tell you about my experience with illegal border crossings. The only time I have been to Mexico, we went across south of Deming, NM to pick up some perscriptions for my wife's parents. On our way back, we had literally just stepped out of the US customs building when I looked across the parking lot and saw three people crouched low behind about 3 weeds, pretending like it was hiding them, and jogging toward north. After a few feet, the man bid the woman and child good bye and returned across the border, while the other two continued north. Note: this was in complete site of the US customs building. Trekking across the dessert? Ha.
(as an aside, it was unfortunate for the woman and child that both of my brothers-in-law were with me, and both are border patrol agents. They informed the on-duty officers. However, the man was likely a professional escort, but he was already back in Mexico long before he could be stopped).
Gee... you managed to relate
January 18, 2008 - 13:12 ET by BruzillaGee... you managed to relate that whole story without using the term "wetback" once. I wonder why Kline can't discuss illegals without using that word? :)
Bill Clinton loosing his temper...
January 18, 2008 - 12:26 ET by Gary HallI was quite surprised to see this "statement of fact" in the linked NY Times article:
I suspect that most of the regulars at NB know that, and viewers of Fox News [Chris Wallace] understand that, but I think that this is just another one of those media censored [censored then] issues which was well known by the MSM during his 8 years in office, and during the years since, which the MSM has kept to themselves. I'll bet that during his tenure in office less than 5% of Democratic voters had a sense of his all too often boyish - no, childish - rants of anger; and that the source of the anger comes when his ego filled want of a legacy is challenged.
Why now? With his little blowups are becoming either more regular or simply more difficult to hide, because of the current campaign, is difficult to determine, but I suspect that this effort by this NY Times writer is formulated to give him cover.. he got it from his daddy. Perhaps the question is, Is Clinton drinking to excess like his daddy?
LOSING. LOSING.
January 18, 2008 - 12:27 ET by LeonLOSING. LOSING. LOSING
One O!
When did improper spelling become acceptable?
Le"ooooooo"ne
January 18, 2008 - 12:47 ET by Gary HallOK - I'm feeling very small.
Gary, I'm not just trying
January 18, 2008 - 13:52 ET by LeonGary,
I'm not just trying to pick on you and I apologize for being annoying. I see this all over the place these days and I can't figure out when people decided that they would spell LOSING or LOSER with two Os.
It just makes no sense to me how a massive number of people could all of the sudden accept and incorporate improper spelling of a word
Is it becaue you are
January 18, 2008 - 13:59 ET by Dan The Man 2Is it becaue you are Looser? Personally I don't care and reguarly mispell words but might do so more if it bugs you. So watch teh MB's.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
Dan, But you're
January 18, 2008 - 14:23 ET by LeonDan,
But you're border-line illiterate so I'm not sure that we should use you as an example of the norm.
Your posts 90% of the time require a cryptograhper to figure out what you're trying to say.
You'd think you'd be improving through you practice on this site, but alas, you seem to have gotten worse. It's mind-boggling.
Hey Leon... You leave Dan
January 18, 2008 - 14:26 ET by bigtimerHey Leon...
You leave Dan the Man alone...
I have never had a problem understanding his posts, you just have to be down right mean and rude...
Whats the matter...not getting enough attention today?
BT, He insulted me and
January 18, 2008 - 14:32 ET by LeonBT,
He insulted me and made a stupid comment.
He got what he deserved. And his posting is wild. It's amazing that someone could get by in this world with such a tenuous grasp on reading and writing.
Dan's a big boy with a big mouth so I'm sure he can defend himself. Or at least try to string a couple words together that make some sort of sense. Maybe.
A cryptograhper? It is funny
January 18, 2008 - 14:31 ET by Roger the ShrubberA cryptograhper? It is funny watching a Grammar Nazi make a spelling error while chiding another's border-line illiteracy.
Grammar Nazis are as out-dated as Chuck Norris, aren't they? Aren't "you people" being lame by being one?
Ha Touche. Simple key
January 18, 2008 - 14:33 ET by LeonHa Touche.
Simple key stroke error.
Furthermore, the Looser thing is a common occurence so I pointed it out. That's hardly being grammar nazi.
As far as Dan goes, read his posts and tell me I'm wrong.
You are wrong. Plain and
January 18, 2008 - 14:51 ET by Roger the ShrubberYou are wrong. Plain and simple, Alan.
I (quite) easily pointed out how foolish you look when you act like a pompous ass. Nobody likes a Grammar Nazi, Sparky. Especially the hair-splitting kind.
Roger, I'm so
January 18, 2008 - 14:58 ET by LeonRoger,
I'm so embarassed. God you got me.
Who would have thought an old man from Pennsyltucky could have bested an internet God like LEON.
I bow down to your acerbic, middle of nowhere PA humor.
If someone had class, they
January 18, 2008 - 15:16 ET by Roger the ShrubberIf someone had class, they would have moved on. Fortunately for those of us here who like to watch d-bag leftards implode, you never disappoint.
I would ask, however, if you are going to resort to the lame personal attacks, try to be accurate. Pennsyltucky refers to the area BETWEEN Pittsburgh and Philly. In other words, it is the area between my birthplace and yours.
Now, are you done looking like an ass, or do you have more to offer us today?
Roger, Pennsyltucky means
January 18, 2008 - 15:46 ET by LeonRoger,
Pennsyltucky means everywhere but southeastern PA. Obviously.
Maybe you're right though, b/c most people I've met from Pittsburgh do have at least their bottom teeth.
Speaking of Pittsburgh, I'll be making my first trip out there for the Frick Park Deer Hunt on February 14th.
Don't think we'll be killing any real deers, but we may kill a keg or two.
"We do not go hunting to kill. We kill in order to have gone hunting"
Well, since I offered
January 18, 2008 - 17:47 ET by Roger the ShrubberWell, since I offered evidence to support my argument, and you offered a very convincing "obviously", you must be right.
Let's test that.
Alan, are you an pud?
Obviously.
Yep, your logic DOES work. Amazing.
Ahem
January 18, 2008 - 22:50 ET by dervishThe plural of "deer" is "deer."
cryptographer - is that
January 18, 2008 - 15:21 ET by Jack Bauercryptographer - is that someone who charts gangs like the Crypts and the Bloods?
Glass houses, Leon
January 18, 2008 - 14:31 ET by MassConservI believe the word you meant was “your".
Or does the whole “glass houses” argument only apply to Romney?
Spoken like a true adult,
January 18, 2008 - 14:23 ET by BinxlySpoken like a true adult, someone you don't like makes a point and *boom* its straight for the throat. People misspell alot of stuff all the time, either they type too fast or its a word they don't actively use alot. What Leon is mentioning, it seems, is the epidemicwe have in America with that one particular word. "Lose." "Loser." "Losing." etc.
Soooooooooooo many people out there spell it with two 'o's and I myself have gotten quite a headache over it as well. While he may not have been very kind in his presentation of the error, there is still no excuse for misspelling such a basic word.
Binx tru adults recognize
January 18, 2008 - 14:38 ET by Dan The Man 2Binx tru adults recognize sarcastic jabs when they see it. Leon has been on the Looser kick for a while and it is wearing thin. So get looser with your humor and stop being such a looser. At least I am getting better which is more than I can say for Leon, who has been goin downhill after a short rise.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
Leon is a looser! Rush
January 18, 2008 - 14:57 ET by Clear thinkerLeon is a looser!
Rush Limbaugh stated that of the top 5 Republicans running for the presidency, only one was a true conservative. http://www.fred08.com/
Ct... Leon needs to
January 18, 2008 - 15:03 ET by bigtimerCt...
Leon needs to loosen up here when it comes to this all....picky picky.
I hate to loose my temper,
January 18, 2008 - 15:06 ET by Clear thinkerI hate to loose my temper, but Loen get's on my nerves. It's a shame a looser like him can't understand why we think he is loosing his mind. I should say loost it!
Rush Limbaugh stated that of the top 5 Republicans running for the presidency, only one was a true conservative. http://www.fred08.com/
Ct... LOL! The little
January 18, 2008 - 15:09 ET by bigtimerCt...
LOL!
The little one is just doing his job...as usual.
a massive number of people? Leon
January 18, 2008 - 14:12 ET by Gary HallI didn't really appreciate the "annoying angle of this" until now. Ha!
You really don't need to worry about me here - I'll be OK. And I hope that you are successful out there on this on -- otherwise we'll all be losers. (;~>
Haha Point taken
January 18, 2008 - 14:24 ET by LeonHaha Point taken Gary!
It's a silly pet peeve of mine, but it is kind of interesting to see this happen. How a word can just magically change acceptable spelling is bizarre.
No sweat, Gary
January 18, 2008 - 14:09 ET by Cool ArrowIt's Ok if you can't spell LOSER. It's even better if you don't comprehend the meaning of the word.
Nothing wrong with "loser" being a personal foreign concept.
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Maybe he meant
January 18, 2008 - 12:57 ET by vrwc13Maybe he meant loosing?
Loose (verb) 24. to shoot; discharge; let fly: to loose missiles at the invaders.
v
it works too!
...oh boy would you look at me, all this RJ semantic stuff is getting too me.
vrwc13 - exactly
January 18, 2008 - 13:50 ET by Gary HallMmm hmm - that's exactly what I meant; Clinton is always shooting, discharging and letting "loose" nasty little rants at those who ask him an actual question. (thanks)
GH, Perhaps the question
January 18, 2008 - 12:30 ET by bigtimerGH,
Perhaps the question is, Is Clinton drinking to excess like his daddy?
Excellent memory Gary...does make one wonder.
Big Clocker Maybe he's trying to Drink Hillary Good Lookin ?
January 18, 2008 - 14:06 ET by JayTee"Barack Obama is a Powerful Speaker—And so is My Bose Bass Amp" Doug Giles
If it hasn't happened by
January 18, 2008 - 14:22 ET by HermanoIf it hasn't happened by now...
gary -- be compassionate.
January 18, 2008 - 12:33 ET by Jack Bauergary -- be compassionate. Okay, I was kidding
Clinton's been going through the menopause for the past ten years.
And I mean Bill, not the hanger-on.
Look at the symptoms. The skin tone changes. Hot flushes. Purple face. Hormone levels all over the place. The guy is an estrogen factory.
Male menopause.
→ Jack Bauer
January 18, 2008 - 12:41 ET by Cool ArrowYou're being too kind. You could have mentioned Bill's Karl Malden nose.
But you didn't, and for that, I applaud your restraint.
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I'm not too kind....see my
January 18, 2008 - 12:45 ET by motherbeltI'm not too kind....see my post below.
The Billsbury Dough Boy
January 18, 2008 - 14:12 ET by Jack BauerI am now imagining the Pillsbury Dough Boy with Karl Malden's nose.
Man, that IS scary.
I've said it before the man
January 18, 2008 - 12:44 ET by motherbeltI've said it before the man is not aging well....I'd say his nose is getting that red bulbous look of alcoholics, but I have no reason to think that he drinks at all, nevermind to excess. But that's the only way I can describe what I think his nose looks like. I still think he's starting to look like Jimmy Carter (except for the nose).
→ Great post MB
January 18, 2008 - 12:55 ET by Cool ArrowI missed it and defer to your having made the observation first.
The Karl Malden reference was a not so subtle reference to your blunt observation.
BTW, If I applauded Bauer's restraint, is it hypocrisy to also applaud your bluntness?
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Perhaps jimmy carter with
January 18, 2008 - 13:59 ET by RESTLESS 1Perhaps jimmy carter with tip o,neil's nose? Just sayin.
Fox New Does it------Again!
January 18, 2008 - 12:42 ET by RovinSeeing as how this is an open thread, I would like to take a moment to profess my utter discust with Fox News.
This morning Fox News reported (again) that Fred Thompson would be dropping out of the race after South Carolina, just as Politco did on the day of the Iowa Caucus. I have written every affiliate of Fox News of my dissapointment and discust. And posted it to my website:
http://rovinsworld.blogspot.com/2008/01/fox-news-does-it-again-shame-on-you-fox.html
(No one at Fox News bothered to ask Fred Thompson is this was true.)
Thanks to Newsbusters for allowing me to vent my anger.
Rovin
Hannity mentioned that on
January 18, 2008 - 12:50 ET by BruzillaHannity mentioned that on his radio show yesterday, and said he was going to be asking Fred about it, but I never heard if he did.
This is my point!
January 18, 2008 - 13:01 ET by RovinThis is my point exactly Bruzilla. No one seems to care about asking Fred or his campain manager.
Rovin
Like I said, Hannity said
January 18, 2008 - 13:14 ET by BruzillaLike I said, Hannity said that he would be discussing this topic with Fred, but I was in the process of taking my wife to the doc, and I was out of the car when the interview took place so I didn't hear what was said. I checked the Hannity.com website, but that's about the most worthless use of bytes on the internet.
You might want to email FNC an apology
January 18, 2008 - 13:18 ET by BruzillaThis is on Fred's website:
January 17, 2008 Needing a win, Thompson lays into rivals, News Journal, Wilmington, Delaware
BILL THEOBALD, Gannett News Service
ABBEVILLE, S.C. -- Fred Thompson accused Mitt Romney of pandering. He called Mike Huckabee a flip-flopper. And just for good measure, he called his friend John McCain soft on immigration.
In the course of five minutes Wednesday, Thompson laid out his campaign strategy for the days leading up to the South Carolina Republican presidential primary. If he doesn't do well Saturday, he could quit the race.
NOT....
January 18, 2008 - 21:16 ET by RovinOnce was questionable, but the second time? I will need an explanation. And an apology from Fox right after they do the same for Fred. Only Fred won't forget this garbage "journalism"
Rovin
Rovin... I too share your
January 18, 2008 - 13:05 ET by bigtimerRovin...
I too share your utter disgust with all of this regarding Thompson...
I have been past furious with Fox for quite some time now let alone the rest of the msm regarding their coverage of Thompson... in my view it has been absolutely horrendous...intentionally.
→ Stupid me
January 18, 2008 - 12:47 ET by Cool ArrowDang it, I knew it would happen and I let it slide.
I just knew the President's speech would send the Market down. My fave stock is down 1.5% already this morning. But did I act on my hunch NOOOO.
Stupid Arrow. Stupid Arrow.
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And now, today's Quickie
January 18, 2008 - 13:21 ET by Roger the ShrubberAnd now, today's Quickie Shrub Report®:
Only $60,000 needs raised by midnight to keep DasBlimp afloat! Hurry, Sarky, sell some more flowers at the airport!
A great cancer breakthrough was found at Pitt. Hopefully it leads to other discoveries.
Will the mythical "civil war" chant be silenced in another country now that this news is out?
Here are some cool photos of Mercury. It took 3 ½ years for Messenger to make it there. Amazing.
It's called Coulrophobia.
Okay, Global Warming enviroweenies, look into the mirror.
Fast Eddie on becoming "Republican" Bloomberg's running-mate? Fuggedaboutit! His flying to Kalifornia to meet with Bloomberg is purely coincidental.
Uh-oh Saudi Arabia is in trouble!
And finally… Rest in peace, Fats. You were one bad-ass mamma-jamma!
topic of wjc - and loss
January 18, 2008 - 13:38 ET by docbIt seems that he is mourning the loss of everyone hanging on his every word. Additionally, hillery is in damage control mode with the campaign and they underestimated Mr. Obama. It must be frustrating in the extreme to have planned a coronation and have to run against a real opponent instead.
The Article below shows to what length they will go to win:
Bill & Hillary: Union-Busters?
By Ronald A. Cass
Fresh from the Listening Tour, the Hillary I Know Tour, the Watch Me Cry Tour, and the Clintons for Change Tour (traveling the Back to the Future Express), the dynamic duo rolled into Nevada with a new message that should be music to conservative ears, but not an easy tune for them to carry: Let's Break the Unions!
The Clintons now tell Nevada caucus participants: don't follow the union bosses' directions. Think for yourselves. Act as individuals. Just because a union's governing body decides to support, say, Barack Obama is no reason to follow along blindly. After all, what right do union bosses have to tell the rank-and-file how to behave, to dictate your political choices? Not that there's anything wrong with that when it's the AFSCME union endorsing Hillary, but it's downright Orwellian mind-control when leaders of the local Culinary Workers Union pick the wrong gal (or guy). That's why Hillary shamelessly went door to door in Las Vegas imploring Culinary Workers to ignore union directions while Bill lectured workers on independent thinking.
After getting Hillary endorsements from the leaders of 13 unions representing 6 million members, thanks to relentless pursuit of every establishment credential they could find, the Clintons responded with outrage that a local union with 60,000 members could prefer her primary opponent. As Bill said, this shows the "establishment organization" is with Senator Obama, while the "insurgents" are with Hillary. (Somehow I missed Hillary's days as a grass-roots community organizer - which must have come somewhere between her stints as First Lady of Arkansas and First Lady of the U.S., great places to hone those bottom-up organizing skills!)
That endorsement sparked the recognition that union bosses are elitists whose power hurts workers. In his best, red-faced, finger-pointing, hoarse-shouting style (right on cue for the 10-year anniversary of Matt Drudge's exposure of the Monica story), Bill told listeners that union leaders "they think they're better than you are" and challenged workers to buck the unions.
Of course, Hillary and Bill aren't suggesting that the 6 million members of unions endorsing Hillary should be independent. Union members should still vote for Hillary when union leaders say they should, but they also should vote for Hillary when the union says they shouldn't. That's the kind of independent thinking the Clintons want.
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The new call for independence for union members runs smack into the ingrained view of Democratic union-backers that workers can't stand up for themselves as individuals. That's the idea all pro-union laws are built on - individual workers need unions to stand up for them. For 75 years, Democrats have insisted that workers can't decide whether to stay out of a union other workers have chosen, that workers can't negotiate for themselves on issues within the union leadership's portfolio, and even that workers can't decide whether they want to have their money go to a union, much less direct how it's spent.
Conservatives long have challenged the assertions that workers are better off having someone tell them what they should do, having unions speak for workers, take money from them, and spend money on political causes (and, implicitly, candidates) that the union leaders favor. But Democrats, backed by huge infusions of union money, keep a system in place predicated on just the opposite view.
The system works well for the union leaders and the candidates they support. Laws pushed by Democrats have allowed union taxation of worker wages to support leaders' spending priorities. Unions collect $8 billion or so annually through involuntary assessments. One court, looking at union spending, found that about 80 percent of union collections went not to worker representation and collective bargaining but to political activity. Something like 95 percent of this spending goes to help Democrats. In the 2000 elections, unions spent an estimated $800 million on attack ads and other political activities to promote Democrats, including Senate candidate Hillary Clinton (a special favorite of the United Auto Workers Union). The AFL-CIO alone will spend $200 million on the 2008 races.
That's not small change, even for a party now obsessed with change.
The Supreme Court's 1988 decision in Communications Workers v. Beck ruled that union members have the right not to support political spending they don't agree with. But one of President Bill Clinton's first acts was to repeal an executive order from President George H.W. Bush implementing the Beck decision (by requiring federal contractors post notices telling workers they aren't required to give money to unions for political spending). Bill and the union establishment saw no reason even to let workers know they have the right to think for themselves when that threatens the Democrats' prime engine of political sponsorship.
But that was then.
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The Clintons are nothing if not flexible. Bill can lie straight-faced about anything with enough charm to almost make you believe it, and Hillary will morph into any character - from tough cookie to cookie baker - to get votes. Yesterday, she was the candidate of experience. Today, she's the candidate of change, even if that just means she gets the Oval Office and Bill gets to have tea with the other spouses.
Few people bother to challenge Bill and Hillary's reversals and revisions - like backing a lawsuit challenging the location of caucus sites in Las Vegas that their team helped pick when they thought the Culinary Workers Union would endorse Hillary. Blatant self-interest and bold infidelity to facts are simply part of the package we've all come to know. But the former and would-be future First Couple continues to push the envelope.
In the last couple of weeks, comments by the Clintons and close supporters have shown astounding disregard for anyone and anything in their way. Andrew Cuomo (of the famously sensitive political family) said that Senator Obama can't "shuck and jive" his way to the White House. Charlie Rangel called Obama "absolutely stupid" - for something Obama never said. Bob Johnson elliptically reminded voters of Obama's youthful drug use (what he was doing in Chicago in the 1970s that we really can't say in public), then explained that referred to Obama's community organizing. Uh-huh. Hillary claimed she doesn't want race or gender to play a role in the campaign - so long as women understand she'd be the first woman to break the "hardest glass ceiling" and that sisterhood trumps brotherhood.
For liberals, the assault on union leadership has to be the cherry topping off this sundae of sloppy reasoning, shameless self-promotion, callous indifference to fact, and calculated insinuation.
For the rest of us, maybe this one time - just this once - we should take Bill and Hillary at their word. Let's show that new bipartisan spirit. Take up their cause. Roll back rules that support union politicking. Let workers spend their own money and pick their own candidates. And see how Democrats really like union members exercising their independence.
Ronald A. Cass is President of Cass & Associates, Dean Emeritus of Boston University School of Law, and author of "The Rule of Law in America" (Johns Hopkins University Press).
just put the link
January 18, 2008 - 15:53 ET by SouthJersey1953Next time, please just put the link to the story here and let us go to it if we want to. No reason to fill up the page by copying an entire article into the thread......(thanks)
It's not Right vs. Left; it is Right vs. Wrong
McCain/Shanklin
January 18, 2008 - 13:54 ET by bigtimerI just have to ask if anyone is listening to Rush at the moment...
Shanklin is singing a parody of McCain to the tune of "If You Don't Know Me by Now" I am absolutely cracking up laughing at the moment...
Thank you Rush/Shanklin!
Why is McAmnesty leading in the Polls?
January 18, 2008 - 13:54 ET by PopularTechI had no idea that Conservatives want to give illegals Amnesty and Social Security benefits!
Age: 71
Betrayal, deceit, corruption and John McCain (The U.S. Veteran Dispatch)
"While still married to Carol, McCain began an adulterous relationship with Cindy. He married Cindy in May 1980 - just a month after dumping his crippled wife and securing a divorce."
Abortion:
John McCain Supports Embryonic Stem Cell Research (Audio)
McCain Softens Abortion Stand (The Washington Post)
"But certainly in the short term, or even the long term, I would not support repeal of Roe v. Wade, which would then force X number of women in America to [undergo] illegal and dangerous operations." - John McCain
Foreign Policy:
McCain to Close Gitmo: "The first day I am President" (Video)
Global Warming:
McCain and Lieberman Push for New Anti-Global Warming Legislation (The National Center for Public Policy Research)
Senators McCain and Lieberman Propose Energy Tax (The National Center for Public Policy Research)
Illegal Immigration:
John McCain gets a 'D' on his Immigration Voting Report Card (Americans for Better Immigration)
John McCain Praises Pro-illegal Protests (NewsMax)
McCain called plan 'amnesty' in 2003 (WorldNetDaily)
"I think we can set up a program where amnesty is extended to a certain number of people, Amnesty has to be an important part..." - John McCain, 2003
Michigan Crowd Boos McCain On Illegal Immigration (Video) (1min)
McCain Voted For Illegal Immigrants To Collect Social Security (UC Daily News)
Taxes:
McCain Boasts That He Voted Against The Bush Tax Cuts (Video)
McCain Would Vote Against Tax Cuts Again (The Club for Growth)
- McCain sponsored and voted for an enormous 282% tax increase on cigarettes in 1998
- McCain was one of only two Republican to vote against the $1.35 trillion tax cut in 2001
- McCain was one of only two Republicans to twice vote against permanent repeal of the death tax in 2002
- McCain was one of only three Republican to twice vote against the $350 billion tax cut in 2003
McCain’s Costly Tax on Energy (National Review Online)
- The EPA Estimates Sen. McCain's Plan Would Hike Gas Taxes By 68 Cents Per Gallon
- The EPA Estimates Sen. McCain's Plan Would Reduce United States GDP By As Much As $5.2 Trillion
McCain Rejects Anti-Tax Pledge (CNSNews)
Veterans:
McCain Can't Buy His Way Out of Votes Against Funding for Veterans
- McCain Voted Against $19 Billion for Military Hospitals
- McCain Voted Against Amendment to Provide $2.8 Billion For Veterans' Medical Care
- McCain Voted Against 2005 Amendment to Provide Guaranteed Funding Stream for Veterans' Health Care
- McCain Voted Against Establishing $1 Billion Trust Fund to Provide Improvements to Military and Veterans' Health Facilities
- McCain Voted Against Adding $1.5 billion to Veterans' Medical Services in FY 2007 by Closing Corporate Tax Loopholes
- McCain Voted Against Mandatory Funding of $6.9 Billion in FY 2007 and $104 Billion Over Five Years for Veterans' Health Care
The Anti "Man-Made" Global Warming Resource
PT... Excellent links and
January 18, 2008 - 13:59 ET by bigtimerPT...
Excellent links and points all...
Plus he voted against drilling in ANWR, we only needed one more vote...and he talks about being self-dependent so the terrorists do not profit from oil on the campaign trail...the lying a$$hole.
Judicial Watch on ClintonInc's Stalinist tactics
January 18, 2008 - 14:40 ET by Jack BauerJudical Watch analyses Hillary Clinton insane Heathcare ideas, and reveals the Stalinist tactics proposed by her pet monied thug, billionaire patrician Jay Rockefeller.
This is how ClintonInc and the Democrats work. If it doesn't fire you up, nothing will. http://www.judicialw...