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For general discussion and debate. Possible talking point: number of abortions drops to lowest level since 1976:

"It could be more women using contraception and not having as many unintended pregnancies. It could be more restrictions on abortions, making it more difficult for women to obtain abortion services. It could be a combination of these and other dynamics," said Rachel Jones of the Guttmacher Institute, a reproductive-health research organization publishing the report in the March issue of the journal Perspectives on Sexual and Reproductive Health.

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Not that we don't all know the UN is worthless but....

....get a load of this from report about increased U.S. airstrikes in Iraq.

"The greater reliance on air power has raised concerns from human rights groups, which say that 500-pound and 2,000-pound munitions threaten civilians, especially when dropped in residential neighborhoods where insurgents mix with the population. The military assures that the precision attacks are designed to minimize civilian casualties -- particularly as Petraeus's counterinsurgency strategy emphasizes moving more troops into local communities and winning over the Iraqi population -- but rights groups say bombings carry an especially high risk.

"The Iraqi population remains at risk of harm during these operations," said Eliane Nabaa, a spokeswoman for the U.N. Assistance Mission for Iraq. "The presence of individual combatants among a great number of civilians does not alter the civilian character of an area."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/16/AR2008011604148.html?hpid%3Dtopnews&sub=AR

Hey Eliane, I have a good idea.  Why don't you go talk to the headchoppers and tell them about your concerns about civilian casualties and then politely ask them to move their activities to somewhere where innocents aren't put in jeopardy?

Do these people even understand what they are saying?

How interesting because I swear I just read in "Editors Picks"

about how the U.S. fertility rate is also at it's highest. Now I don't see the article there so maybe I read it somewhere else. My first thought when reading that article was that I bet it's because the abortion culture has changed.

Not that it's harder to get abortions, because it's not, but we have a government that actually cares and puts value on unborn babies and I think it has trickled down. This is great news and I hope that the country doesn't screw it up by electing Obama (who's views on abortion are radical and treat it no different than removing a tumor) or Clinton who would put the bogus "health of the mother" exception to any kind of restriction and would nominate judges just as liberal as the one's Obama would.

Prayer, eduacation, the

Prayer, eduacation, the side effects physically and emotionally that happen after an abortions (thankfully women that had them are starting to shed the light on those).

 

Do you realize how much it costs to run for office? More than any honest man could afford. -Montgomery Burns

Three possible reasons

1)  Imaging technology clearly shows that the "product of conception" is in fact a child (my wife is an ultrasound tech and regularly brings home pictures to show me).

2)  People see that the reasons for justifying abortions 30 years ago--reducing the number of unwanted children, reducing child abuse, liberating women etc were nothing but lies.

3)  Deep inside people, and especially the young, know that it is wrong.

1)  Imaging technology

1)  Imaging technology clearly shows that the "product of conception" is in fact a child (my wife is an ultrasound tech and regularly brings home pictures to show me).

I've been to the seminars and seen the demos.  They're incredible.  All you gotta do is slip that little number under a desperate woman's nose and watch the bonding begin.  =)

-PJ

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Abortion

The cause is clearly the spread of the term reproductive health. It has such an official and important sound to it that it immediately draws your attention. Like shouting "achtung " in a German restaurant. But it also disguises the actual act itself in a clever and high minded way. Who could be against health? Or wellness?( Another clever liberal wordover) Why, no one! I'm for reproductive health if that means keeping our reproductive equipment healthy. But. of course it doesn't ,it 's about disguising the murder of unborn infants. Now that has an ugly and disgusting sound to it. Don't you agree? How clever these people are, to have found a simple way to murder infants and make it SOUND acceptable . I'll betcha god won't be too impressed!

Just wait until Romney TAC Nukes the Abortion Clinics!

If you think abortion rates are low now, just wait until Romney TAC Nukes the abortion clinics!!!

Bring the rain baby!!!

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huh???

What is that supposed to mean?

 

It's not Right vs. Left; it is Right vs. Wrong

Ann Coulter a Mitten?

Reading Ann's latest column, it appears she now falls into the category of women smitten with Romney who Rush has defined as "mittens". Like all the other mittens, Ann says her in-depth analysis of Romney's stands on issues shows that he is not a flip-flopper because he has only flip-flopped on one issue: abortion. I guess that's like saying someone's a great husband for keeping a job and a roof over our heads... although the regular beatings are a bit much to take. If Ann actually did her research, how did she possibly miss Romney's flip-flop on gun control laws and the NRA? On Gay rights? On stem cell research? I don't have Ann's often glorified access to Lexis/Nexis, but even Google offers plenty of evidence of Romney's flip-flopping.

Ann also takes the mitten stance that everyone who dares to call Romney a flip-flopper must be jealous of Romney's greatness or an agent for the Democrats who are terrified of a Romney win. Please! Do all these women suffer from the political equivalent of battered-wife syndrome? Rushing to the phone or computer to bail their guy out of "jail" everytime he gets busted for flip-flopping? Your guy is getting called a flip-flopper because he's a flip-flopper!!!

I think Ann needs to get some professional help... and vote for Thompson.

I've been trying to stop the gays but with little success

I got my AR-15 oiled and fully loaded ready to march to stop the gays. Can you imagine what will happen when the sodomites come for us!

You are right about Romney, how dare he ask for "hospital visitation rights" Sodomites have no rights under GOD!

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You are right but they have

You are right but they have the right to be obliterated, just look at Soddom in the Bible.  God don't like em.

Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.

Poptech and Dan - I hope I'm misundersanding you

and you are trying to be funny. This kind of ignorant talk is what keeps conservatives from winning. If you are joking, you shouldn't because there are ignorant people that feel this way and people can misunderstand. The large majority of people who don't support Gay marriage are not gay bashing homophobes. Stop making us all look bad.

The Gays are coming! Arm Yourselves!

I hear them now... sneaking... treachery. Are you armed? Have you warned your fellow man? When they come, I will rain hell down on them! To hell with the Sodomites!!!

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Well that sounds

Well that sounds reasonable, well thought-out...

Chuck Norris vs The Gays

Imagine what will happen once Pastor Huckabee unleashes Chuck Norris on them!!! Oh Joy, for he will be the beginning of the end for the Sodomites! To Hell with those who disobey God's will. We must fight the Sodomites and save our fellow man from Satan's temptation.

Quiet... The Sodomite liberal army may be near and listening.

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Popular, So I take it

Popular,

So I take it you're not very adventurous in the bedroom?

You charge to kill all Sodomites encompasses many many many more people outside of the gay community. 

That's a lot of people you wish to kill.  Pretty sick and twisted.

SODOMITE LOVER!!!

AHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!! You will burn in the fires of hell!!!!!!

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Popular, What are you

Popular,

What are you doing still messing around on the internet.

You gotta lot of men and women to kill.  Time to get busy. 

Chop Chop!

PS If there was ever a question of your lack of credibility before, you've firmly eliminated all doubts with this bizarre little rant.

I am in hiding from the gays

I have been told the gays are on there way. So I wait. Chuck Norris will come, Pastor Huckabee says it is so.

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Leave it to conservatives

Leave it to conservatives to resurrect the 5 year old Chuck Norris joke fad.

I'm amazed how behind the times many of you are.  Incredible.

You mock Chuck Norris!

How dare you! You have no right to mock the savior - so says Pastor Huckabee.

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Hey Leon!

Hey Leon! Wassssaaaap! 

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HS, That's hilarious!  I

HS,

That's hilarious!  I was trying to think of another joke fad like Norris and couldn't.

You hit it perfectly!  Almost fell out of my chair :)

It is not ignorant, it is

It is not ignorant, it is Biblical.  And that is not what keeps the GOP from winning it is the RINO's they put up there.  Whey should I choose Rommy over Obie or McCain over Hill, if they exspouse the same values with minor changes.  I would take Hill over Paul if given the choice.

We need to stand up for what is right and stop choosing wrong.  Of course varying opinions is why we have so many choices and some dissention and much discussion. 

Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.

Dan - What is in the Bible is personal

for believers and interpreted by their religious leaders. It's not for you or anyone else to dictate by law to anyone. Most of what is in the bible is there to help comfort people and help them live a better life. It's not there as an excuse to go around condemning others.

Being Gay is no more a sin than thousands of other sins that we all commit every day. You need to worry about your own sins and not other peoples. It's ignorant to assume you know what sins God will decide to forgive and what one's he won't. There is nothing about being Gay in the 10 commandments and even those sins can be and are forgiven. You completely ruin the actual good arguments against Gay marriage by trying to condemn Gay people.

Three Cheers Dee

Three Cheers Dee Bunk!

 Great post.  Perfect reply to intolerant religious nuts that spend all of their time worrying about everybody except themselves.

On another note, great movie list.  It's taking me a while to remember all of mine, but I'll contribute soon!

Intolerant!! It is YOU who are intolerant of GOD!

The Bible says:

"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them." Leviticus 20:13

And you must obey.

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Pop, What about all the

Pop,

What about all the other stupid laws in Leviticus?

Why do we only need to obey this one?

Side note:  Homophobes are closet gays everytime.  Ted Haggard Prime example Numero Uno.

SODOMITE LOVER! Chuck Norris will come for you

You have been warned.

"Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination." Leviticus 18:22

He speaks and you must obey!

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the way to shut libs on on

the way to shut libs on on morality legislation is to take away the murder/theft/ped laws and recind all of the social programs they base upon good old "helping-the-down-and-out" Christian morality:)

it's crickets from there...

dig the crickets! what'd i

dig the crickets! what'd i tell ya - it's been hours - and PT/leon/hater nowhere near my post - hee hee hee

i do seem to toil in obscurity tho - bummer...

Go tell someone who cares Poptech

Sounds like you don't have a problem screwing men so why don't you focus on something that you can improve on yourself in the eyes of God? Or are you perfect? Are you Jesus?

Blasphemy!

"Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven" Genesis 19:24

Your time is near, Chuck Norris is close.

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Leon - I love to see people's movie lists

I guess you are being nice to me now so I'll take that as an apology? ; )

Every time I think I've seen all the best movies I find out I'm wrong when I see others lists. I'm going to comment more on that thread also. Looking forward to seeing more of yours.

Is poptech one of these liberals who pretends they are a nutty

Conservative? I know Dan is a good guy and hate to disagree with him here but this Poptech seems too goofy to be real. I'm rusty on some of the characters here. Can poptech be taken seriously?

You Question My Allegiance!

How dare you! My Allegiance to Pastor Huckabee has never been stronger. We are mobilizing to bring God to the Constitution! Chuck Norris will lead the fight against the Sodomites and Baby Killers. I well I am in hiding... for now.

Shhh.... do you hear the gays, they wisper...

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Huckabee is nothing like you - Hillary Clinton and Obama maybe

They are judgemental and want to force their idea of morality on people - you should vote for one of them

Huckabee will defend me from the Gays!

You must vote for Huckabee as he will defend you from the Sodomites and Baby Killers! We must stop them, long live Pastor Huckabee!!!

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Not sure Dee,

I've been reading here since just before the '06 elections and I've always thought PT was pretty level headed.

Something set him off though. Either that or someone put something untoward on his curly fries.

Masscon

I thought I remembered him being more normal, but I must be mistaken. I don't know if he's playing some strange game or what. No matter what he's annoying now. It reminds me of when hater used to come here under different ID's and pretend to be an obnoxious conservative.

I think he's attempting to

I think he's attempting to prove Leon's theory that conservatives aren't funny. 

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You must be right Hero

You must be right Hero

Dee, except for the fact

Dee,

except for the fact that he was acting bananas before I commented on his usage of oooooold jokes

I think he's just finally snapped.  All that time spent collecting articles on the internet has scrambled his brains.

The Anti-Sodomite Army is Ready!

Join with Pastor Huckabee as Chuck Norris leads us to victory over those who question God's will! God will rule the constitution and you will be taught to obey! Praise the Lord!

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Perhaps you zealots should

Perhaps you zealots should let God himself deal with the Sodomites, as I believe that is his job.

Our job is to deal with the Saddamites, and their fellow Islamo-supremacists.

Just a passing thought.....

None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free. -J.W. von Goethe

R D...

That was pretty good. Or as Bill O'reily would say.... pithy! 

Rush Limbaugh stated that of the top 5 Republicans running for the presidency, only one was a true conservative. http://www.fred08.com/ 

Thanks, Ct.

I have always been intrigued by those among us who claim to have the omniciense of God in matters such as these. When that day comes, it will be most interesting to see exactly how they fare.

Something tells me they are going to be in for a rather rude surprise.

None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free. -J.W. von Goethe

When that day comes, it will

When that day comes, it will be most interesting to see exactly how they fare.

Why would you think that you would be present at anyone's but your own audience with the Judge?

GoHunter08

botg,

I am not entirely sure, to be bluntly honest, but that was not exactly my point.

I do, however, feel that those who elevate themselves to the same level as God are being most presumptous.

-Perhaps dangerously so.

None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free. -J.W. von Goethe

R D Helm

have they claimed equal status to God or have you presumed that they have?  Let me cut to the chase, it seems that you believe it is immoral for others to draw moral conclusions.  This is a self-defeating argument since if you judge them you judge yourself.

GoHunter08

botg,

They claim the authority of God by asserting their "authority" to take the lives of those they believe have sinned. Perhaps the people to which they refer have sinned. In fact, they probaly have, as have all of us, but it is up to God, and God alone, to decide when their time is up and their punishment is to be meted out. We are on God's timetable, not our own.

I have been taught from a very early age that we will be held to the same standard we apply to others. I think there are many Christians who are so blinded by their zeal that they forget this.

I am in no way suggesting that Christians should condone the behavior of sinners, but I have a real problem with those who seem to think that they are any where near wise enough to decide the sinner's punishment.

None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free. -J.W. von Goethe

RD

you lost me here

asserting their "authority" to take the lives of those they believe have sinned.

is there some wacko group calling for extermination of gays?  If so was it mentioned in this thread?  please clarify → what are you talking about?

GoHunter08

btog,

It is further up this thread:

ve been trying to stop the gays but with little success
January 17, 2008 - 10:42 ET by PopularTech

I got my AR-15 oiled and fully loaded ready to march to stop the gays.
Can you imagine what will happen when the sodomites come for us!

You are right about Romney, how dare he ask for "hospital visitation rights" Sodomites have no rights under GOD!

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You are right but they have
January 17, 2008 - 11:26 ET by Dan The Man 2

You are right but they have the right to be obliterated, just look at Soddom in the Bible. God don't like em.

Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.

Poptech and Dan - I hope I'm misundersanding you
January 17, 2008 - 13:18 ET by Dee Bunk

and
you are trying to be funny. This kind of ignorant talk is what keeps
conservatives from winning. If you are joking, you shouldn't because
there are ignorant people that feel this way and people can
misunderstand. The large majority of people who don't support Gay
marriage are not gay bashing homophobes. Stop making us all look bad.

The Gays are coming! Arm Yourselves!
January 17, 2008 - 13:25 ET by PopularTech

I
hear them now... sneaking... treachery. Are you armed? Have you warned
your fellow man? When they come, I will rain hell down on them! To hell
with the Sodomites!!!

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Well that sounds
January 17, 2008 - 13:42 ET by balboa

Well that sounds reasonable, well thought-out...

Chuck Norris vs The Gays
January 17, 2008 - 13:58 ET by PopularTech

Imagine
what will happen once Pastor Huckabee unleashes Chuck Norris on them!!!
Oh Joy, for he will be the beginning of the end for the Sodomites! To
Hell with those who disobey God's will. We must fight the Sodomites and
save our fellow man from Satan's temptation.

Quiet... The Sodomite liberal army may be near and listening.

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None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free. -J.W. von Goethe

Wow RD

i'd have to say poptech hates Huckabee and the others are egging his mischaracterizations on.

Still i will agree with you in condemning such sentiment. 

GoHunter08

Huckabee will make you obey

Once Huckabee is nominated Pastor in Chief, God will be brought to the constitution and you will obey! You will be forced to fight the Sodomites and Baby Killers. All hail Huckabee! Praise the Lord!

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Poular Tech

I hate to rain on your little parade (not really), but not long after Super Tuesday, I suspect the Rev. Huckabee will be reduced to doing thirty-minute info-mercials that air in the middle of the night on stations nobody watches.

Most likely for ACME Midnight Movers, or something similar.

None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free. -J.W. von Goethe

Blasphemy! Huckabee will be God's Chosen One and you will obey

He will raise your taxes to give to God, as it is written. He will set free the illegals who you despise, he will remove the evil that is Guantanamo Bay and bring Jesus to the Muslims. The great Pastor Huckabee will wage war against the Sodomite plague and the baby killers. His mercy will only be to those who accept Jesus. All words mispoken of him will be banned, you will see in time, you will obey!

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Pop Tech...

Hey don't forget that hero of Conservatism Rick Flare. The Nature Boy has joined Mike in his quest to become ringmaster at Barnum and Bailey Circus. 

Rush Limbaugh stated that of the top 5 Republicans running for the presidency, only one was a true conservative. http://www.fred08.com/ 

Will Ric Flair join with Huckabee to fight the gays?

He can join with Chuck to lead the rebellion!

He could put the gays in a figure four leg lock, how awesome would that be!

Long live Pastor Huckabee!

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→ Mitt's Homosexual agenda

PopTech is obviously trying to divert attention from Bishop Romney's Gay agenda.

Obviously NB doesn't care that PopTech floods the blog with his own brand of nonsense, so if you want attention, it's ok to make something up.

I doubt PopTech has any evidence Chuck Norris has a plan to go on a Gay bashing rampage, but there are several links on the net pointing to Bishop Romney's Gay agenda

So how about let's turn this whole blog into a shrine to PopTech's own brand of Yellow Journalism.

I don't mean any of the stuff I've said about Mitt in this block, but I think NB should rethink the level of nonsense they will allow.

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↔arrow↔ just as "Duffman

↔arrow↔

just as "Duffman says a lot of things"

links on the net say a lot of things

GoHunter08

→ botg

Who's Duffman?

I know links say a lot of things.  That's why I included the disclaimer at the bottom of my post.

I don't really think Bishop Romney has a Gay agenda, but PT is including no such disclaimer or hint of sarcasm.

I must conclude, therefore, he believes what he's saying

I ♣ My Seal

↑ Duffman? the Simpsons. 

↑ Duffman? the Simpsons.  When caught lying with "but Duffman you said" the Duff replied "Duffman says a lot of things"

GoHunter08

→ Duffman

Sorry, I 've never watched the Simpsons.

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Prophecy!

Chuck Norris will rain fire from his beard and destroy the Baby Killers! So it was written.

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Dee that is the worst load

Dee that is the worst load of thoughtless crap I have ever seen.  You realize you just gave the license for terrorists to act without impunity?  This statement says so “for believers and interpreted by their religious leaders” and by that it is a personal thing for them with no right or wrong and we must not call it wrong.

BTW I am very gay at times and sometimes I am not, I don’t see what being happy has to with practicing homosexuality.  Homosexuality is an abomination against God.

We legislate morality all the time and sop we should.

Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.

You must have a pretty sheltered life Dan

You must have a pretty sheltered life Dan if my statement is the worst load of thoughtless crap you've ever seen - even if I would have meant it as you have misinterpreted it.

I didn't say anyone had impunity. In fact I'm saying the opposite. Everyone is responsible for their own actions, regardless of their religion. You forcing your beliefs on someone is not going to help them spiritually. It is between them and their spiritual leader. If they choose a murderous nutcase as their spiritual advisor, then that doesn't give them impunity against any crimes they commit. Religion is a choice or it's not a religion.

Being Gay - if it's a sin, is a personal one that doesn't affect anyone but those committing the sin. Being overweight is a sin and you don't go around calling overweight people an abomination. Once you have yourself all perfect then maybe you can lecture others, otherwise limit your spiritual guidance to those who seek it and even then give it with the humility that lets you forgive their sins as they forgive yours.

No the worst load of crap

No the worst load of crap saying we as a peopel dont have the right to legislate morality.  We do it on a regular basis.  There will be legislation regulation something based on someones morality, happens all the time and will continue to happen.  The trick is whose morality do we legilate?  Should we legislate the morlity that says it is ok to abort or the one that says it is not.

The whole of law is based mainly on morality.  Remember we must choose who's morality and I choose mine. 

Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.

Dan - I didn't say that either

You can legislate it if the people support it. Laws on morality should be limited to those that harm others. It should be up to you to decide what is write for you when it doesn't hurt anyone else. Without choice you can't have faith and faith is more important to God than actions. Without personal choice a country is not free and no different from communism.

I don't want liberals telling me I can't smoke (even though I don't) and that I have to wear a seat belt (even though I do) and I don't want religious conservatives making religious laws even though I may morally agree with most of them. In a free society, laws are there to protect people from others - not from themselves.

Abortion doesn't just affect the person having the abortion, it affects an innocent life.

Dee and so allowing

Dee and so allowing homosexuality to be legal in every sense worsens us also.  Do you realize what you said "Laws on morality should be limited to those that harm others" an I say allowing homosexuality harms us.  It is a disagreement.  I say it does because it is the camels nose under the tent.  One only needs to look to Europe to see where lax morality leads to.

I know you heart is hardened by contemporary morals and society that your eyes are blind but try and see beyond the narrow time frame that is your life.

Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.

You want homosexuality

You want homosexuality outlawed?

well Biblically it already

well Biblically it already is...

and blessed are those nations who bow to God's will

I'm all for it:) 

Hmm it used to be regulated

Hmm it used to be regulated by law and there were many more mores that were taken for granted we did not need laws for.  So do you have a problem with that?  Or a problem with any laws?

Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.

All the laws you need are in the Good Book!

Once God is brought to the constitution we will know the law of God!

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→ Stop it PopTech

Your Gay hating and Christian hating is not appreciated.

If nobody else will speak up, I don't care.  You are a Christian hating Gay hating, hateful human being.

Now, please stop with it already.

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I do not hate, I spread God's word

I have no hate but must obey the word of God and Pastor Huckabee. We must stop Romney he wants Hospital Visitation rights for the gays! Has he not read God's word? Only Chuck Norris can save us!

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→ What can I say

I'm not the Policeman of this site.

Obviously you feel a need to promote hatred of Gays along with your obsessive hatred for McCain Huckabee.

I guess it's your business.

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Blasphemy! It is written in the Good Book!

"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them." Leviticus 20:13

Does God promote this hatred? Hell will rain down on you for thinking such thoughts! You will obey.

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You are spreading something, alright.

I cannot speak to whether or not you hate, as only God can look into a man's heart.

However, as far as what you are spreading around here, well, that would be manure.

None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free. -J.W. von Goethe

Dee Bunk

I second that Dee Bunk. Awesome post. I thought conservatives were for own personal freedom. Not dictating to everybody else how to live their lives.

Romney time machine

Shawn show me where I have

Shawn show me where I have professed to being a conservative.  I am Christian first and foremost andmost times that follows conservative principles.  Again I say we as a society legislate laws to regulate morality and I want my morality not some other guys in laws.  Libertarians are for personal freedom, conservatives are for personal responsibility.

Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.

dan the man

I respect your religion and I am actually very interested in learning more about