I say leave liberals alone to spout their nonsense. It is educational to watch them post their tantrums.

Bill O'Reilly has some relevant words about a closely related subject.

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Keep the ILLEGALS out, join NumbersUSA to send free faxes to your reps.

I believe political ideas and philosophy can be debated civilly. It's everything else where the trouble starts - the politicians, their motivations, the political process, etc. However, nothing can be debated honestly as long as one side's ideas are not represented fairly in the media.

The Co Anchor of America's Newsroom just used the "F" word after making a bet with her partner Bill Hemmer.

I hit the record button on my DVR and replayed it several times to verify.

Some sheepish moments there. 

I ♣ My Seal

I gotta say, I don't believe actual civil discourse on a website between the Left and the Right is even remotely possible. I live in DC, and as a result I have a lot of lefty friends. Whenever political discussion comes up, it ultimately spirals down to friendly insults and completely irrelevant observations about nothing. They HAVE to do this - the facts are simply not on their side. About anything, really. It is in their best interest to obfuscate, to muddy the waters, what have you. This is the source of all "flame" wars and general incivility. Civil discourse, all the way to someone admitting, "gee you're right, I never thought about it that way or knew this", does not ever happen. Look at what they do and say to Coulter, for crying out loud - she brings facts, figures and well thought out arguments to the table, and the answer from the Left is to wish her dead. When you can't argue a point on the merits, you have no other recourse. And I wish it weren't so.

Did you know your fiat money has chemical taggants that allow the feds to track you?

Did you know an American destroyer shouldn't worry about a speedboat?

Did you know that Dr. Ron Paul is bat-poop crazy?

Meet the real friends of Dr. Ron Paul.

The bickering is frustrating, and quite frankly, it's getting old. I've left a blog because I was the only reliable supporter of the war, and the personal attacks were getting old. I was a 'pro-Bush counterbalance' to inarticulate, uninformed bloggers who 'won' arguments because they didn't have jobs and could spend all day plagiarizing text from the DU. They were incapable of agreeing with anything I said because I was 'pro-Bush'.

When I left, the bloglord requested a one day moratorium on political posts to clear the air. This prompted cries of 'censorship' and 'fascism' (I'm not kidding!) and resulted in essentially the collapse of what could have been a pretty good blog.

That's part of the reason I won't allow comments on my blog.

I think there's hope, though. I mean, c'mon. Even if grabbing the popcorn and watching the carnage is what you're into, aren't you getting sick of:

- Right makes good point.

- Left cites specious, disproven talking-point to refute point.

- (Repeat)

- Right grows frustrated at changing of subject and declares victory.

- Left calls right a fascist.

- Bloglord deletes personal attack comment.

- Left complains of violation of First Amendment rights.

- Bloglord bans Left.

- Left comes back as sock puppet.

- Bloglord bans Left's IP.

- Bloglord writes long diatribe explaining decision to delete comment, decision to ban, and requesting that everyone cool down a bit.

I'm tired of it. Maybe if more people are too, things won't get so nasty.

Reality Check

I can't speak for all the other liberals on the site, but most times even though there is lots of biting sarcasm to my opinions, most conservative members are respectful. I actually enjoy a spirited debate

I just hate it when the comments get personal. ie? Saying someone is retarded ,Any attacks on someone elses religion, getting called a liar,

Romney time machine

Just wondering.

In New Hampshire all the polls showed Hillary getting trounced by double digits. However, she then rebounds and wins.

Fast forward to the general election, all the polls show Hillary dominating the republican nominee the day before the vote and we find out the republican squeaks out a win. Does anyone believe that the democrats and the Clintons would just sit back and accept the premise that the polling was inaccurate like they did in NH? Or would the entire democrat party and liberal media be screaming voter fraud?  

I was watching my first writerless episode of the Colbert Report last night, and I found it very revealing. Colbert usually does a fantastic job of hiding his true Liberal self under the fictional mantle of his Bill O'Reilly/John Gibson character, but without the writers he's a different guy. He was trying to poke fun at the reports from the NH primaries in the NYT, but every joke he told was poking fun of Republicans. You could tell he was really scraping the bottom of the barrel for material, and he seemed to be forcing the jokes most of the time.

I used to think the guy had some talent, but I guess the talents is all with the writers.

Will we see this story on the evening news today?  http://apnews.excite.com/article/20080111/D8U3O53G0.html

Not a betting man, but feel it will be overlooked.  Note the way we go about this also-taking into consideration civilians.  We will fully succeed if we can continue the job,  We need strong leadership elected to continue the fight against terror on foreign ground, without letting it get to our own ground.

I laughed out loud last night when they were discussing the incident with the speedboats and our Navy ships. The moment of hilarity came when Huckabee called the Navy ship a 'boat'.

Did anyone else catch that? 

Rush Limbaugh stated that of the top 5 Republicans running for the presidency, only one was a true conservative. http://www.fred08.com/ 

I think discourse is good but the anger between liberals and conservatives will take a long time to settle. 

As a conservative I saw the rift begin to widen greatly under Bill Clinton.  His unwillingness to compromise and dishonesty really caused a bitter divide.  For me as a solider, his unwillingness to stand up for America when we got bombed by terrorist in Saudi, Yemen, and our own soil that made me really take a hard look at liberals.  When the extreme left started making policy for the Dems I lost all faith in their ability to compromise on any issue.  The new liberal thinks of themselves as intellectually superior.  They are very narcissistic and extreme agenda driven, which has been demonstrated by a lot of our hit and runners.  By that I mean those who post some talking point BS and leave.

We do have a few, on both sides, who come here, and spout anti-religious drivel or way too much religious dogma. That needs to stop.  Hey if you are an atheist or don’t believe in organized religion, fine and dandy, but don’t degrade those who do.  And for those who are religious, who love there religion, likewise don’t demean or put down someone else’s.  Don’t preach either, unless the subject of the thread is on religion most of us don’t care how many freaking scriptural references you can site in one post.

Name calling, and I am guilty of this, has got to stop.

Debate the issue.  If you can’t agree, press on.