Better late than never, today's forum for general discussion and debate.
Possible talking point: How should the NBer typically responsible for posting the Open Thread between 10 and 11 AM ET be punished for his/her abject oversight this morning? Respondents should seriously consider leniency if they want sports-related Open Threads on weekends. :-)
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Two Great Headlines on Drudge
November 27, 2007 - 15:55 ET by CaringwhiteguyIt's 1:50pm Central time and these two headlines appear one after the other on Drudge:
NYT Tuesday: Clinton relying on elderly women to help her win Iowa...
Streisand Endorses Hillary...
What delicious irony!
Punishment
November 27, 2007 - 15:56 ET by ricklailWhomever is responsible should be required to listen to every speech Hillary has ever made on foriegn policy.
"May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't.” General George S. Patton.
Rick
November 27, 2007 - 15:58 ET by Noel SheppardRick,
I could agree with that with the qualifier "that made sense!" :-) ns
And....
November 27, 2007 - 16:43 ET by timothe"Whomever is responsible should be required to listen to every speech Hillary has ever made on foriegn policy."
And then take a multiple choice test linking the Hillary quote to the day and place of the speech.
Ex.
"I come heeyah this morn' as a sistah in wirship, a grateful friend and benefisharee' of what happened heeyah 42 years ago. I come to sheer the mem'ries of a troubled past and a hope fer a bettah t'morrow."
a. Dallas Convention Center Dec 2006
b. Selma AL March 2007
c. Hope AR June 1992
d. Black Causus debate August 2007
OT
November 27, 2007 - 16:05 ET by JDWHow should the NBer typically responsible for posting the Open Thread between 10 and 11 AM ET be pu
The news day begins the previous night. There are posters here early in the morning, permit someone to set-up this thread at sunrise.
JDW
Sen Clinton: Distinguished Founder of Media Matters
That works for me...my
November 27, 2007 - 16:35 ET by motherbeltThat works for me...my coffee and computer time starts around 05:30...
What people need to understand about Iraq
November 27, 2007 - 16:10 ET by FastEdis that most Iraqi's don't even have simple amenities, like "Iraqis Construct Fallujah’s . ."
Meanwhile, the demolibs seem to be looking for more voters.
But, not to worry, judges like Go-Go bars! (it wasn't the BadaBing)
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V
Political afflication missing!
November 27, 2007 - 16:18 ET by PawpawNSaw no reference to whether R or D?
It's Joisey
November 27, 2007 - 16:59 ET by FastEdif it doesn't say (R) then it has to be a demolib.
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V
My earlier list!!
November 27, 2007 - 16:10 ET by PawpawN1)Sen Kennedy pens memoirs-bet won't have at least 1 story!! 2)Streisand endorses Hillary-like anyone cares[probably James Brolin doesn't, but won't tell her], didn't Babs leave the country when Bush was elected! Anyone who bases their vote on this, well can you say "Cuckoo"! 3)Bin Laden plans message to Europeans-finding out it doesn't work except with Dims here, he goes to a new audience! All these other countries, except Australia, electing Conservatives must be scaring Obama, I mean Osama! 4)Google plans service to "STORE" your data-yea, sure it's safe, like everything on Google is Dim, Lib oriented! 5)Calif town turns toilet sewage into drinking water-bet it tastes like ...., oh, but no one there drinks anything but bottled water. We need a contest to name the new bottled toilet water! 6)Jesse Jackson says mortgage crisis is ecomonic rape!-say what! Where does this guy get off! And the list can go on & on, even really love that Pres Bush's summit will have a plan when they commit to at least 1 year, so new pres will be involved-gotta love that Karl Rove is still somewhere near the White House!!
Can I guess?
November 27, 2007 - 16:46 ET by ricklail1. Bet he won't say anything about Chapqudic (?) in his book.
"May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't.” General George S. Patton.
He can't
November 27, 2007 - 17:00 ET by FastEddoesn't own a water proof pen!
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V
Mary Jo Kopechne will never
November 27, 2007 - 17:22 ET by ConservativeRexMary Jo Kopechne will never be mentioned in anything the bulbous, blob wing of the Kennedy crime family writes.
Neither will driving lessons.
What ought to be mentioned is how to scam every legal system either with the help of your old man, or the justice department your brother ran. Or the name your brother built up in the system.
You can bet his book will be positioned front and center in all book stores, blocking out actual best sellers such as Ann Coulter's newest book and Laura Ingraham's and all other books from conservatives that actually sell.
Conservative Rex
November 27, 2007 - 19:21 ET by Six String SpiffThey might try and black them out, but Conservatives have the will to look for ourselves. Libs need things tosse din their lap to notice. Besides, the ONLY people who wil lbuy the Swimmas book are other left wing kooks, and not many of them have jobs...
Islamic Religious Services Will Be Held at the Firing Range At 0800 Daily.
Title
November 27, 2007 - 17:31 ET by JDWChappaquiddick, if I did it.
Sen Clinton: Distinguished Founder of Media Matters
Punishment... Go to a
November 27, 2007 - 16:14 ET by Clear thinkerPunishment...
Go to a sensitivity course with Rosie and Keith O.
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Opening a window to clear the air.
November 27, 2007 - 16:15 ET by KarmaThe stench emanating from the
incessant, mindless propaganda spewed by профессор правда, (aka the коммунистический упрек), onto every subject he posts, has fouled the virtual air surrounding my
sweatshop manufactured PC screen. Sure, I laugh at his pointless, repetitive
drivel and uncanny inability to reason, but he is armed with blind adherence to
that dogma and should be considered dangerous to all freedom loving, individually
responsible, fresh-air breathing American. Not egotistic, know-it-all human
masters, but In God We Trust. I am now installing a virtual air freshener; as
in replying only in kind to his repetitive posts that all share the same
stench.
профессор правда, the коммунистический упрек.
Having said that, it smells better already in here.
Investors Business Daily give two thumbs up to Fred
November 27, 2007 - 16:23 ET by Clear thinker21st-Century Reaganism
INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY
Posted 11/26/2007
Presidential Race: The war for the soul of the Republican Party was won in 1980 by Ronald Reagan. Presidential candidates who want to re-wage the conflict in 2008 will only weaken the GOP against the Democrats' nominee.
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Related Topics: Election 2008
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In the aftermath of Vietnam, Watergate and a Jimmy Carter presidency that rendered America an economic and foreign policy basket case, Republicans discovered a tried-and-true recipe for electoral success.
They would stand for three sets of principles:
• Lowering high taxes and stemming the growth of government in order to revive the private economy, lower inflation and interest rates, and generate jobs.
• Rebuilding U.S. defenses and unashamedly confronting Soviet expansionism with the goal of winning the Cold War rather than learning to live with communism.
• Reasserting traditional values in the aftermath of the 1960s social revolution, including opposing abortion and smut, especially through the appointment of federal judges holding strict-constructionist views.
Overnight, the GOP was transformed. Losing the 1976 election with Gerald Ford as its standard bearer, it was a scandal-plagued "dime store Democrat" party, backing detente with an ever-more-aggressive Russia, imposing wage and price controls, and appointing to the Supreme Court liberals such as Roe v. Wade author Harry Blackmun and the high court's current most left-leaning member, John Paul Stevens.
Under candidate Reagan in 1980, it suddenly represented a vast cross-section of the country:
• Beleaguered businesses, big and small alike (and those they employ).
• Voters who feared the geopolitical consequences if America didn't soon take the "kick me" sign off its back, as the late Jeane Kirkpatrick so eloquently put it.
•The legions of Catholics, evangelicals and others who deplored America's sinking into a Hollywood-inspired moral sewer.
More than a quarter-century later, sustaining the Reagan coalition remains the recipe for Republican victory in a national election.
The candidate most likely to energize all the segments of the Republican grass roots against a Democratic opponent next year is one committed to making the Bush tax cuts permanent and fixing the entitlement spending crisis with free-market solutions, who insists on winning in Iraq and clearly sees Iran for the nuclear threat it is, and who would reverse the radical ACLU mentality on the federal bench.
Yet most of the GOP presidential hopefuls have refused to act as across-the-board Reaganites. There would be nothing, for instance, to stop a one-time Southern Baptist minister from claiming the mantle of Reaganism. But erstwhile man of the cloth and former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, whose appeal among evangelicals has raised him to within striking distance in Iowa, has continually attacked the Club for Growth, a major champion of conservative economic policies, as the "Club for Greed."
Calling capitalists Scrooges is straight out of the liberal Democratic playbook. A more helpful retort from Huckabee would be to address the Club's concerns about his approving an income-tax surcharge in Little Rock.
Former Sen. Fred Thompson, on the other hand, has managed to gain the endorsement of the National Right to Life Committee (a key stamp of approval from social conservatives) while at the same time espousing the boldest of economic solutions on both Social Security and tax reform.
Thompson would solve Social Security's insolvency by giving Americans voluntary control of their own personal retirement accounts. He'd keep the Bush tax cuts, and he announced last weekend that he'd let taxpayers choose between the present, complex tax code and a simplified system with only two rates: 10% and 25%.
The movie star politician also proposes a Reaganesque rebuilding of our Army, Navy, Air Force and Marines.
The Republicans running for the 2008 presidential nomination are often accused of being unconvincing actors in repeatedly invoking the name of Ronald Reagan. Funny how the one real actor among them seems to understand what Reaganism is.
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Two Words...
November 27, 2007 - 16:36 ET by heldmyw...Perry Logan.
http://www.youtube.c...
Someones HIV-positive Uncle, out of the sanitarium on a day pass, this walking sack of BDS is so unoriginal, unfunny, unimaginative, and downright creeeeeeeepy, he creates a category of MoonBattery of his own.
He makes Rosie O' Donnell look sane and reasoned and Keith Olbermann look fair and balanced.
Sad, sick, repetitive, pointless and all 'round the very model of 'third-rate' leftoid blatherocity, being forced to watch one of his 'videos', is quite enough nonviolent chastisement for anyone.
After 90 seconds of one of his rants, I was screaming "tase me! Tase me! Noooo!"
So... should I be canceling
November 27, 2007 - 16:42 ET by Hero SquadSo... should I be canceling my Citibank credit card, or is the sale of shares to Abu Dhabi really no big deal?
*****
"The empty wagon makes the most noise." - Derrick Mason
Punishment fit the crime
November 27, 2007 - 16:48 ET by Lame CherryThe punishment for forgetting one's duty should be the taping of the fingers together for one day so that everything the offender types will look like the unintelligent posts found on Kos and Huffington.
This humiliation will make said offender never forget his duty again.
Open Thread comments:
The Egyptians told Charlie Rose they believe Hamas as an elected body will decide murdering Jews and destroying the Israeli state is not a good thing........because they are an elected body which can be unelected.
Arabs have now found a great place to put worthless dollars in buying American banks with them........what a wicked irony.
Lesbian Hillary is trusting geezer broads in Iowa will give her the state in the primaries..............(if that is an indication of Hillary policy Jews will be disarmed and have Hamas control the IDF's nuclear arsenal with Iran holding the red fire button.)
Tedly Kennedy is ghosting his memoirs for record bucks........no news yet on if this is the XXX porn version or the children's story book version Tedly thinks people will buy.
NBC has rubbed off on the NFL with the National Anthem skipped on the ESPN broadcast.
Lastly, on the sports report thread, I want Newsbusters to go back and look at my blog posted here exclusively on how to beat New England. I said pressure Tom Brady and beat up Randy Moss. Gee whiz on Sunday night Andy Reid had the Eagles do EXACTLY that and would have won the game if the Eagles had not stupidly thrown a long pass which the Patriots picked off.
There was no reason to throw that long strike as taking time off the clock was mandatory and the Eagles could move the ball.
It did though have John Madden who I have been disgusted with lately lament, "Well the Eagles have shown the NFL how to beat the Patriots."
If John Madden didn't know the glaring weaknesses in New England he should be replaced as it was posted here weeks ago how easily it would be to defeat that team.
Worst part was Madden saying when Brady was running up the scores that it was the defense of the other team who were responsible for stopping him. I guess Brad Childress and the Vikings running out the clock on New York and not going for a touchdown have not heard the Madden excuse about piling on.
*HIC IACET ARTORIVS REX QVONDAM REXQVE FVTVRVS
Just when you think
November 27, 2007 - 16:50 ET by motherbeltJust when you think political correctness can't get any more ridiculous, something like this happens.
A large group of Muslim leaders wrote a letter to "Christendom" seeking "peaceful coexistence and mutual undrstanding."
So what do American Christian leaders do? Do they say, yeah, OK, we'll peacefully co-exist, as long as you don't kill us for not converting to Islam?
No, like good little PC acolytes, they apologize and ask forgiveness! If you don't believe me, go read the whole thing
but here are a couple of excerpts:
After 138 Muslim leaders last month wrote an open letter to Christendom calling ostensibly for peaceful coexistence and mutual understanding, self-proclaimed Christian leaders and other celebrity Christians took the bait.
Among more than 100 theologians, ministry leaders and prominent pastors, signing the letter were Jim Wallis, president of Sojourners, Rick Warren, senior pastor of Saddleback Church and Leith Anderson, president of the National Association of Evangelicals.
"If we can achieve religious peace between these two religious communities, peace in the world will clearly be easier to attain," they wrote. They called for interfaith dialogue to build relations that will "reshape" the two communities to "genuinely reflect our common love for God and for one another." And they asked the Muslim leaders to forgive Christians for their sins – including the Crusades and "the excesses of the war on terrorism."
this was a fantastic
November 27, 2007 - 17:20 ET by TruthMongerthis was a fantastic Christian gesture:)
Luke 6:27-36
[27] "But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, [28] bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. [29] If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also. If someone takes your cloak, do not stop him from taking your tunic. [30] Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back. [31] Do to others as you would have them do to you.
[32] "If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? Even 'sinners' love those who love them. [33] And if you do good to those who are good to you, what credit is that to you? Even 'sinners' do that. [34] And if you lend to those from whom you expect repayment, what credit is that to you? Even 'sinners' lend to 'sinners,' expecting to be repaid in full. [35] But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked. [36] Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful.
No doubt then.....
November 27, 2007 - 17:44 ET by Prester John....that western civilization should have just rolled over in 1939 and 1941 and let Hitler and Imperial Japan have their way with the world.
Or better yet, perhaps the world would be a better place if the French, Spanish, and Poles hadn't prevented Islam from conquering Europe oh so many years ago.
Christians should have at
November 27, 2007 - 18:13 ET by TruthMongerChristians should have at any rate:)
thats WJWHD:)
he da man
we not by a long shot:(
So Truthmonger is a
November 27, 2007 - 18:30 ET by alamojbSo Truthmonger is a pacifist.
WWJD can be very dangerous if you do not understand the Bible in its context.
Nowhere is there a command for a nation to just roll over and not defend itself.
screw you - i ain't no damn
November 27, 2007 - 18:59 ET by TruthMongerscrew you - i ain't no damn pacifist
Jesus is
and He is my Lord and Savior
and I am one of His many lousy servants:)
TM . . . pick up a Bible and read it before you talk
November 27, 2007 - 20:20 ET by Free Stinkeri ain't no damn pacifist
Jesus is
Just like he was pacific in The Temple ? You may also want to read Revelation.
And regarding his teachings, he always address indivduals regarding their dealings with others, he never addressed nations.
Fix the playing surface at
November 27, 2007 - 17:19 ET by the_red_stateFix the playing surface at Heinz Field.
Methinks the punishment
November 27, 2007 - 20:55 ET by Roger the ShrubberMethinks the punishment should fit the crime! :}
There is only one way: The truth
November 27, 2007 - 17:21 ET by JDWCBS- Trans fat substitutes: Delicious or dangerous?
How much longer until ANWR is opened?
JDW
Sen Clinton: Distinguished Founder of Media Matters
Spend an hour with the
November 27, 2007 - 17:37 ET by Airforce_5_OSpend an hour with the Professor in disscussion over why he can't make a statemnt with out a talking piont and not call him a liberal nut job before the hour is up.
The only thing you should feel when shooting insurgents is the rifle recoil.
Still there Professor, Have the insurgents set off a bomb declaring its my fault yet?
You're onto something Airforce_5_0
November 27, 2007 - 17:47 ET by KarmaThe alternative to waterboarding?
Too cruel
November 27, 2007 - 18:21 ET by well99Just cane the person.It is the holiday season.Have some compassion.
AF, you continue to publicly write psychotic comments
November 27, 2007 - 18:52 ET by professor truthNo soldier in Iraq is defending my freedom, unless you want to state that my teaching is resulting in your high standard of living. There's no freedom for those under occupation. The Iraq war was a criminal war by any international standard. You cannot name a single Iraqi who directly threatened the freedom of anyone who lived in the US.
The US is a hated occupier of Iraq and it would serve all interests if we left as quickly as possible. Today's military serves as an imperial power, having over 700 bases worldwide. It's ludicrous to believe that if there were massive Chinese military bases in the US, they would be providing freedom for US citizens. AF, you need to show an immediate cause effect relationship between soldiers in Iraq and my freedom. Actually, the war is diminishing my freedom, it's costing me thousands of dollars, it's removing valuable people who could serve the public as doctors, teachers and engineers, and it's draininng our budget of over a trillion dollars with much higher costs projected and nothing to show for all this except thousands of dead soldiers, tens of thousands of wounded and PTSD soldiers, and lot's of homeless vets. Bush and his fascists have sold the military down the river and have privatized much of it, all with disastrous effects. Go look at the 14 traits of fascism, determined by looking at the commonalities of the fascist governments of Pinochet, Franco, Suharto,Mussolini and Hitler . Compare those to actions of the Bush administration . Draw your own conclusions.
The privatization you refer
November 27, 2007 - 18:55 ET by BuffNBoneThe privatization you refer to began under the Clinton Administration.
"Fighters are fun but bombers make policy"
Buff, correct, but it's accelerated
November 27, 2007 - 19:01 ET by professor truthdramatically under Bush. Clinton must share the blame on this one, which will be a total disaster when completed.(if not already)
Wait until everything(all public assets) get privatized. People won't survive the increases in their utility bills when this happens.
The vector for
November 27, 2007 - 19:20 ET by BuffNBoneThe vector for privatization was pretty much established when Bush took office. Fighting on, essentially two fronts, caused the perceived acceleration. I'm not aware of an increased or broadened number of MOSs or AFSCs being privatized.
Been watching you do battle for a few days. I'd like to know if you think the 9/11 terrorists would have taken out 30K or 300K people if they could have? If they had one, would they have used a WMD? It might help me and others know where you are coming from.
"Fighters are fun but bombers make policy"
A reminder...
November 28, 2007 - 05:09 ET by UnsaneJust the very words "vector for privatization" tells me you are a 10% legit AF guy. :-)
(Not that I doubted, as much as I read your post and was immediately reminded of my active duty days)
Some AFSCs are increasingly becoming civil-service, which is NOT the same as privatization.
Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.
If you added another zero
November 28, 2007 - 09:43 ET by BuffNBoneIf you added another zero after the 10%, then you would be 100% correct.
I'll grant you civil-service is not the same as privatization, but the questions of how much and how often you can deploy them come into play.
Finally whether or not they are subject to the UCMJ is a factor.
"Fighters are fun but bombers make policy"
Doh!
November 29, 2007 - 20:54 ET by Unsane"If you added another zero after the 10%, then you would be 100% correct."
DOH!!!!!!
:-)
Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.
The Perfesser is a Barking Moonbat
November 27, 2007 - 19:01 ET by RJ...a refuge from the far left fringe of loonydom.
Um, Perfesser, AF did not fight in Iraq.
You're creating a ghost argument with yourself, as a vehicle to spew your anti-American leftist tripe.
I've proven you to be a fascist and a hypocrit, and all your BDS whining won't change that.
ArFJ, the only thing you've "proven" is
November 27, 2007 - 19:04 ET by professor truththat you're a complete idiot who serves me in the same, amusing way that watching a carnival freak would serve me. Keep on amusin me, ARFJ!
Deny all you want, Perfesser
November 27, 2007 - 19:11 ET by RJ...but I proved you to be a fascist and a hypocrit.
You want to deny free speech to AirForce, which you now lie about, because you believe it should not be allowed in public. At the same time, you think women should be allowed to openly discuss murdering their children.....in fact, you encourage teachers discussing it in our classrooms.
Twist and turn all you want, "Perfesser", but you're a hypocrit and a free speech denying fascist.
ErrJ, you only continue to prove
November 27, 2007 - 19:19 ET by professor truththat you're an ignorant fool with a low IQ, and an amusing one.
Awwww, now "Perfesser"
November 27, 2007 - 19:26 ET by RJ...no need to get all mad and stuff, just 'cause you bumbled into my little trap.... ;^)
according to the prof's
November 27, 2007 - 19:08 ET by TruthMongeraccording to the prof's discription of the US mil above - I say YAY US MIL:)!
an imperial power for worldwide freedom - financed by generous US taxpayers
I mean how can liberals be bummed about spending massive amounts of government military money mainly for the welfare of poor, oppressed people around the world? Can't they get their wish-list straight and get back to us? Do we need to help the poor or not with massive government support?
BTW it looks like we're getting our long term US mil base in Iraq - YES INVITED BY THE IRAQI'S (you know - the ones who hate us for occupying their land - yah right:)...
Wonder what AlQ thinks of that:)? They've done a great job - all that work blowing things up - and for what - so that the US GETS A MILITARY BASE SMACK DAB IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ARAB WORLD - LMAO!@!!@!
TM...
November 27, 2007 - 19:16 ET by MrShyWow, are we really planting a permanant/long-term mil base in Iraq? and the people are definitely fine with it?? Send me the link to this news.... I'm not a troll, but just actually want to read about it. That's great news, though.
Prof & Leon & Bal & Jer & Shawn... and on (probably missed a few).... ya' gotta love your country. We're kicking ass and taking names. Bringing security and freedom to the western world, and slowly, the whole world.
"MY end justifies THAT mean." - Shakespeare (not really)
TM, the military provides 'freedom' for Iraqis???
November 27, 2007 - 19:24 ET by professor truthSo that's why most Iraqis hate us and want us to leave?? Because we're giving them freedom.....from their lives, and their resources! Yeah, freedom!! The same 'freedom' that Bush is giving us with the patriot act, torture, secret renditions, suspension of habeas corpus,
secret wiretapping. Sounds like EAST GERMANY or the old Soviet UNION! I never realized those countries provided so much freedom!
Read This "Truth"
November 27, 2007 - 19:30 ET by JimboRead this.
If you beleived in God (which I doubt you do) I'm sure you would be praying every night for the demise of our troops and their mission so you could prove your "violence is wrong" ideal. You are a sad exuse for an American.
Leon says "By the way, I'm not afraid of fat people, I'm repulsed"
Truth Monger Says - "Both are religions [Christianity & Islam], yes - with the same percentage of terrorists."
where do you get that "most
November 27, 2007 - 20:10 ET by TruthMongerwhere do you get that "most Iraqis hate us?"
what Bush "torture" and suspension of habeas corpus are you talking about? club gitmo? waterboarding? gimme a break...
what freedoms have you lost as a result of the patriot act? has your phone been tapped?
I'll tell you what REAL freedoms Christians like me have lost over the last few years:
1. Public school rights such as a valedictorian thanking Jesus at a high school graduation, the right to hold Christmas programs in public schools, the right to organize Christian activies groups in public schools, the right to wear clothing with Christian references on it in public schools
2. The right to oppose homosexual couple benefits in the workplace
3. The right to hang the ten commandments in a federal court house, the right to display Christian symbols in the public square
4. The right to life before we are born
And many more - none of which are due to conservative efforts...
Simple little basic question
November 28, 2007 - 05:13 ET by UnsaneThe same 'freedom' that Bush is giving us with the patriot act, torture, secret renditions, suspension of habeas corpus, Again, reading-impaired one, I want to know why, if habeas corpus was suspended, why I am still not languishing in a Anchorage jail cell three years later after one of their little power-trippers pulled me over for BS.
(Oh, Lincoln REALLY DID suspend habeas corpus. Bet you hate him even more...)
Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.
a single Iraqi who directly
November 27, 2007 - 19:02 ET by TruthMongera single Iraqi who directly threatened the US - including the assassination of George Bush, Sr:
Saddam Hussein
PT
November 27, 2007 - 19:05 ET by Six String SpiffOccupying? I'm not sure if you understand the difference between a fascist occupation, and a compassionate country trying to pick up the pieces of the Iraqi lives. Have you been missing the good news that even the NYT is reporting, or are you just a pacifist? Would you rather Saddam have continued his brutal regime? Do you think the citizens who are lining up to become defenders of their own country think they are being OCCUPIED by the very people who are training them to maintain a safe nation? You need to open your eyes, Professor. There are plenty of reasons we are there. I assume you are ok with us rescuing Dar fur too? There is a reason we are called the World's Police albeit sarcastically. Smoe people need to be killed before they kill millions of innocent people. Oh, wait. that already happened with Saddam when you libs decried our smashing of Iraq the FIRST TIME. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
Islamic Religious Services Will Be Held at the Firing Range At 0800 Daily.
A compassionate occupation???
November 27, 2007 - 19:39 ET by professor truth4 million displaced people, over a million dead Iraqis?? The inspections were keeping Saddam in check. There was another compassionate occupation of Iraq that occurred when the British displaced the Ottoman Empire around 1914 give or take a few years. Sir Stanley Maude, who stated "we come here not as conquerers but as liberators". The British occupied Iraq for around 20 years of compassion. There was an uprising around 1921 or so where Iraqis revolted against their compassionate occupiers. I assume Winston Churchhill is your hero so I'll give you a little quote from him. regarding Iraqis, he said,"I see no problem with using poison gas against uncivilized people." Paul Bremer went in and suspended ALL DEMOCRATIC ELECTIONS, he then unilaterally wrote economic directives to privatize all industries except oil(which was not done in order to avoid massive uprisings)
and allow all foreign corporations to extract 100% of their profits from Iraq and also wrote that "all foreign corporations are exempt from any laws", Sound pretty compassionate to you, Six string?
There was controversy over whether to privatize the oil or not. The neocons wanted it privatized in order to break OPEC's chokehold by ramping up production of Iraqi oil. Philip Carroll of Shell Oil didn't want this and his comment in response to some neocon saying that privatization is a "no brainer", was"yeah, you'd have no brain if you privatized the oil. Carroll wanted Iraq to have the oil so that oil prices could remain high and profits would stay huge.
Professor, you just
November 27, 2007 - 19:44 ET by bassndudeProfessor, you just admitted you teach chemistry. Dident know the world court even existed, and now your talking international law, again, which you said the chemistry books dont cover. All your stats above are wrong. Bogus. Where did you get them? Out of your chemistry book?
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
Professor. The Iraqi war is
November 27, 2007 - 19:10 ET by bassndudeProfessor. The Iraqi war is only a continuation of hostilities that begain during the occupation of Kuwait, (by Iraq). A cease fire was signed, and terms for that cease fire were violated time and time again. Iraq never honored the terms that were agreeded to, by both sides, and the UN. The UN was involved from the beginning. The Security Councel voted and the up shot was that Iraq was invaded again. This time with a diffrent goal. A new goverment. It was not illegal by any means. Some were aginst it, sure. But only because it got in their pocket book. There were billions in oil money going to corrupt UN officials and other goverments, (Russian, Syrian and Lebenon), not to mention HAMAS and FATAH. Pull your head out, "teacher".
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
there was no UN consent for invasion
November 27, 2007 - 19:44 ET by professor truthand no security council vote. The US used the violations of UN resolutions to unlawfully attack Iraq. The UN charter is very specific regarding conditions under which invasions are lawful. There was never a security council vote authorizing the invasion. If UN resolution violations gives a nation just cause for invading another nation, then Israel could lawfully be attacked since it is in continuous violations of UN resolutions.
Yes there was prof. Look it
November 27, 2007 - 19:46 ET by bassndudeYes there was prof. Look it up. Im not wasting my time posting it for you. Your international law and UN resolutions need work. Put down the chemistry book. We are not a bunch of kids in here. You have the chance to learn something. Take it.
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"Proffesor"
November 28, 2007 - 01:03 ET by RESTLESS 1You have on more than one occasion stated that the President is a war criminal and acted on Iraq with no consent from congress. Actually, both chambers of Congress voted to grant authority to President Bush to go to war with Iraq.
Whether or not the U.N. security council gave authority is still in doubt due to ambiguous wording in resolution 1441. Resolution 678 in 1990, the U.S. maintains, gave the authority needed in that Iraq didn't meet cease fire requisites stated in resolution 687. There is no compelling evidence that we even needed it.
That's all for the history lesson today.
700 Bases
November 27, 2007 - 19:10 ET by Six String SpiffAnd just WHY do we have those bases? Think REAL hard before you bark again. Do you think we barged in and forced them to build one? After re-reading that utterly STUPID post of yours, I have come to the conclusion that you are a blind pacifist who does not understand his freedoms and how they came about.
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SSS... I think you are
November 27, 2007 - 19:13 ET by Clear thinkerSSS...
I think you are being very kind calling him a blind pacifist.
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Those bases were quid pro quo between
November 27, 2007 - 19:47 ET by professor truthcorrupt government leaders and the US. The leaders get weapons and get to steal millions of foreign aid money in exchange for US bases and multinational theft of resources. The people of these countries don't want these bases for obvious reasons. Would WE want CHINESE military bases sitting in the US??? Think on that one!
cynical are we:)? the
November 27, 2007 - 19:58 ET by TruthMongercynical are we:)?
the Chinese don't promote freedom and democracy
we do
think on that one:)
You said a million Iraqis died, Professor
November 27, 2007 - 20:01 ET by timotheProve it, please. Otherwise, you lose credibility.
tim, you
November 27, 2007 - 20:04 ET by bassndudeCant lose what you aint got. This is the professor were talking about here.
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I think the
November 27, 2007 - 21:00 ET by dervishgovernments of the UK, Germany, South Korea, and Japan might take exception to your characterization.
Dude, you really need to read another book or two. And ask for a refund on your tuition.
Socialist Unity Party
November 28, 2007 - 05:17 ET by UnsaneDamn. The Koreans are sure getting their revenge then. Seen traffic lately, with all those Hyundais out there?
We are in Korea to keep your comrades in arms to the north from heading south and enslaving millions of people, killing even more in the process.
Otherwise, your post is laden with more Communist rhetoric. So much for your whines that you are a "Social Democrat". Hah. The German Socialist Unity Party, maybe...
Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.
Always 'yesterday's' playbook
November 27, 2007 - 19:13 ET by JDWPT- ...any reasonable person knows that there should be a military. You support militarism, a big difference. The military is for self defense. Militarism is one characteristic of fascism, worship of militarism.
What are your feelings about Gen Petraeus?
JDW
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Petraeus is serving as a propaganda
November 27, 2007 - 19:57 ET by professor trutharm for the Bush administration, just like Westmoreland did in the Johnson administration. Generals who disagree with Bush get knocked out of the military. G. Shinseki told how many troops would be needed and got bumped out as one example. There are many military enlisted men and officers who oppose the war.
Oh sure he is. Just like
November 27, 2007 - 20:01 ET by bassndudeOh sure he is. Just like you are serving as a propaganda arm for the socilaists here in America. Those of us who disagree get called low IQ. You never served in the military, remember? Never served with the goverment, but YOUUUU know how it works, right?
Yeah, right.
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R1
November 27, 2007 - 21:38 ET by JDWPT- any reasonable person knows that there should be a military. You
support militarism, a big difference. The military is for self defense.
What are your feelings about Gen Petraeus?
Quit evading the subject, I am capable of answering all yet there is no point, you cannot, you must stop responding. If you feel Gen Petraeus was not running the show, explain Petraeus-Crocker to those reading.
Then answer my initial question.
JDW
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Professor
November 27, 2007 - 21:01 ET by Airforce_5_OAnswer this question: Have you ever been to Iraq. Yes or No. Simple and to the point. Just yes or No
The only thing you should feel when shooting insurgents is the rifle recoil.
AF, no!
November 27, 2007 - 21:24 ET by professor truthno!
Then professor
November 27, 2007 - 21:38 ET by Airforce_5_Ohow do you come to this?
The US is a hated occupier of Iraq and it would serve all interests if we left as quickly as possible.
As someone who has a working knowledge of this the Iraqis do want us there, it is the insurgent, the illegal combatant insurgent, the terrorist that dosen't want us there.
How is it you don't read what I wrote about the soldier in Iraq defending you freedom? By the sheer fact that they are in the military they defend your freedoms. Can you wrap you mind around that concept?
The only thing you should feel when shooting insurgents is the rifle recoil.
AF, would you like to be occupied by a foreign nation?
November 27, 2007 - 21:51 ET by professor truthIf US citizens formed a resistance against occupation, we would be called 'terrorists' by the occupiers. Nazi Germany had French collaborators. The French resistancee were considered terrorists by the Vichy government. No Iraqi has ever threatened anyone on US soil so any war that is killing 99% Iraqis is unjustified. Nobody in Iraq is fighting for freedom in the US, although many may believe this, it is complete nonsense and has no factual supporting evidence.
If soldiers went to New Zealand and started killing the population, these soldiers aren't fighting for anyone's freedom. They are fighting a war of occupation in Iraq that has absolutely nothing to do with my freedom, and there isn't a single piece of evidence to suggest otherwise.
profff
November 27, 2007 - 22:08 ET by botgThe Iraqis fight along side us
this is perhaps your lamest yet
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You still are not listening
November 27, 2007 - 22:08 ET by Airforce_5_OYou still are not listening professor. The terrorist and the insurgents are made up of Foreign Fighters, not Iraqis.
Apples and oranges. Wrong try again.
The only thing you should feel when shooting insurgents is the rifle recoil.
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