By NB Staff (Bio | Archive) November 21, 2007 - 09:58 ET
For general discussion and debate. Possible talking point: SCOTUS takes up the DC gun ban. What are your opinions on this controversial issue, and how do you think the Court will rule? Anybody want to give a justice-by-justice prediction?
Sarc the rain falls on the just and unjust. Illegal is illegal and the man knew that from the first. The justice was served as would with anyone with the amount of drugs the man possesed. There may be a miscarriage of justice but not anything that is not reasonable. There is little from the case or trial taht is not hearsay from Paley or Balko. So inshort there is no evidence he was not planning to traffic.
A miscarriage of justice isn't unreasonable? Sounds like a person it didn't happen to, or someone who's not enjoying his dish of crow! And the "hearsay" got the man a full PARDON, after all the hysteria we all saw from prohibitionists right here. Keep tryin' to swallow that crow!! :)
JMR
Sarc Im too lazy to look up specifics right now and you miss what my point is. Shit happens deal with it. The man had drugs he was not legally authorized to have, the cops busted him and he was put in prison. Whether or not he needed the drugs is irrelevant, it is the law. The miscarriage I was speaking of is the severity of the sentence. Perhaps his circumstances should have been taken into account.
The hearsay was of the article itself as there were no hard facts except from the defendents viewpoint. Onesided to say it another way. It was all yes I am a victim.
For today's humor, see what happens when McCain runs into an informed police officer. The Paey article is one-sided because one side was right in that case. That's why we eventually won via pardon, after all, and without the heat of the blogosphere the hypocrite-lobby would have gotten-away with more abuse.
JMR
My favorite blog, The Agitator, did the rest of the media's job and changed the situation on the ground by putting substantial factual heat under a cowardly-governor's butt! So we won and the authoritarian statists lost for once. :)
Those on NB who whined about the case before when I did my part to give it publicity here now get that plate of crow, just like I said above, and my wishes for a happy Thanksgiving. I'll be enjoying turkey, thanks.
JMR
Florida's prisons (well, really us taxpayers) were already providing him with a higher dose than he was convicted of getting once he got behind bars. I'm just amused McCain got so-schooled by that officer, who deserves some sort of a medal. Paey's pardon, though, means what pardons mean everywhere, and presumably he'll have to find a doctor that dares prescribe him what he needs.
Once again, it was not a law firm -- justice failed. It was instead FACTUAL heat from the blogosphere (I was but a tiny part of it amid the continual whines of drug warriors here) under the butt of a cowardly governor that caused today's crow-eatin' festival. The venom for Paey amid forgiveness for Limbaugh for doing basically the same thing is yet-another instance of double-standards I've busted around here. And to think, I do this bias-bustin' for free for y'all. :)
JMR
Trashing a double-standard, for the readers in the crowd. Saying Limbaugh did what the pardoned guy did is merely telling the truth, not trashing anyone, so I guess you'd best stay away from the casino today.
JMR
PS But this is still today's crow. Thanks, Senator McCain!
When you become-plural on me! And that roasted-crow was the Paey-double-standard whiners' to enjoy, like it or not, but thanks for avoiding my question about the officer schooling McCain. That's funny, too. :)
JMR
Under a reluctant governor's ass freed a man who was unjustly in prison, by repeatedly doing the news media's job for it. NB is a great blog, sure, but can NB say that?
JMR
And Sarc if NB, MRC, TimesWatch, Townhall, etc are successful in providing balance to the point where the MSM must balance or die; that will have a much greater effect than individual cases.
Yes, you are even more annoying than Blonde. the EYE
That one blog did the politically-incorrect grunt-work "mainstream" journalists refused to do. That excellent journalism ultimately is what freed a man who was costing Floridians more taxes every day he was un-justly kept in prison. Radley Balko fixed an expensive legal failure with Paey, and he has gone a long way towards fixing another expensive failure in the Corey Maye case.
Individuals are what have rights that need protecting, not groups. The political left AND the political right need to keep that fact in mind. So the bottom line is: yeah, Radley's Agitator gets my vote over all other blogs, at least for this year. The MSM isn't even close to death from NB-etc., but an innocent individual is now free and home with his family, due to The Agitator. That rocks because individual freedom rocks, so I'm proud of my choice. :)
JMR
MB, the way I understand the Constitution, the "Congress shall make no law.." applys to all 10 of the original amendments. The shall not be infringed is simply an additonal endorsement to the 2nd.
Libs seem to have a death wish...ban guns so they cannot protect themselves, abort their offspring, socialize our country killing our freedoms...have I missed anything?
More rational thinking . Let's see, suspending habeas corpus, domestic spying, secret rendition, outing covert CIA officials for revenge, starting criminal wars of aggression, consolidating media, but it's the Liberals you blame for your loss of freedoms?????
Oh, I see. Giving everyone the opportunity to to healthcare without being terrified that they are one big health problem away from bankrupcy is your idea of freedom!!! How can anyone argue with logic like that??
Your argument is flawed, your facts are wrong, and your sarcasm is pathetic. National healthcare would ELIMINATE freedom, as it would be required by law to have GOVERNMENT HEALTHCARE.
Loss of gun rights in this country is a liberal invention. So is hate speech. There go Amendments 1 and 2.
So when someone gets a communicable disease and doesn't see a doctor because they can't afford it, the entire community is at risk. Who do you think prepares your food? I would like to know that people are healthy for my benefit. The cost of healthcare is about twice that of countries with natioanl healthcare, with worse results. Long lines for national healthcare? We pay about double what other industrial nations pay. I waited 3 months for a followup visit after a critical surgery. I waited 2 months for a hernia surgery. And I was lucky. My first surgery was over 30 thousand just for the hospital. You guys have no clue what loss of freedom is until you get swamped by thousands of dollars in medical bills. And good luck with that insurance coverage. Hope they don't find a reason to not pay your bills. You guys don't have a clue abut freedom. How about economic freedom??? You know what wage slavery is all about.
Excellent advice from someone who has been nearly impossible to fire for 25 years. Of course turning healthcare over to the government couldn't possibly have the same effect as government run schools.. could it? Why not try another social program doomed to fail? After all it's not like we have had the government f' things up before, right?
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it."MM says...
have given up their GOVERNMENT healthcare? i guess they are pretty satisfied with their socialized healthcare. There are some excellent government schools like the Manhatten Beach school district, which has very high test score results on average. We've privatized much of the military with disastrous results. The public schools used to be excellent and in places still are. The biggest problem for public schools is demographics and bureaucracy.
For the past ten or more years, with perhaps one or two exceptions, the natiinal academic decathalon champs have been from public schools
You are naive if you think the "universal health care" that is being espoused is the same one congress critters voted themselves. haha!!
I do agree with the statement that public schools used to be excellent... but the last 40 years of liberalism and educational experimentation leaves us with one of the worst in the industrialized world.
And who where those "natiinal academic decathalon" students? Probably Asian kids. It's the parenting that made those kids, not the failed system you have helped to bring about.
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it."MM says...
When all they talk about is the rich dont pay enough taxes.How many Dems congressman send their kids to public school?Your right those civilian KPs have totally messed up the military.Maybe you can enlist and start scrubbing pans.
CT, the country that fit the "professor's" ideology no longer exists. Although, the current President of Russia seems to be trying to bring it back. I don't think the "professor" understands Marx.
"A communist is someone who reads Marx. An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx." Ronald Reagan
Interestingly, the countries that have tried to completely pamper their populations as you demand are ALL Going Nowhere.
You guys don't have a clue abut freedom. You better think again, as you are talking to one who traveled therough Alpha, Bravo AND Charlie, AND stepped inside North Korea.
How about economic freedom??? Instead of demanding the right to steal incessantly from me, GET YOUR OWN as I have.
You meant to say that since my ideas disagree with yours, you have the eternal truths. I guess that makes you kind of a God.... of delusions. go see Michael Moore's Sicko and I think you would see how the health insurance companies are nothing other than parasites who profit off the deaths of people. The more death they cause by denying insurance, the more profit they make. That seems to be the battlcry for many of you, "give me profit and give them death." Kind of like a free market version of Patrick henry.
the insurance companies make money by denying care, or refusing to pay for care. These should be obvious truths but alas, there are some slow witted mind sloths here. By the way, who provides me freedom and how do they do it?
the insurance companies make money by denying care, or refusing to pay for care. These should be obvious truths but alas, there are some slow witted mind sloths here. By the way, who provides me freedom and how do they do it? And have you investigated how long it takes for simple things in a governmnet run health care or what procedures are denied?
If you have to ask that question you are even more of an ingrate than I thought.
And answer me this prof. I you die and stop paying insurance premiums, how does that benifit the insurance company? What I said is true insurance companies want you healthy alive and making payments. Ask em!
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it."MM says...
Talk about ignorance! "Professor", my degree is in Actuarial Science, so I would say I have a bit more understanding of insurance than you do. If insurance companies tried to make money the way you just described, every one of them would be out of business. If the state insurance commissions didn't do it, the policy holders and stock holders would. Insurance companies make money by investing the premiums paid. They make money by utilizing the properties of the Law of Large Numbers. The premiums paid for any insurance, including health insurance, do not begin to pay for what they could expend on an individual policy holder. The insurance companies make money because they know that not every homeowner with a fire insurance policy is going to incur a total loss. Otherwise, they would charge a $100,000 premium for $100,000 worth of coverage. (Actually, they would have to charge more than the face amount in order for them to make any money.) The insurance companies make money by providing you with the service of assuming your risk of loss. If you wanted to make an accurate statement, "professor", you should have said that the insurance companies keep from going bankrupt by denying frivolous or fraudulent claims, and denying coverage for risks you did not pay for. If they deny claims which are covered in the insurance contract, they can (and occasionally do) get hammered by the insurance commission.
"Professor" you wouldn't know an "obvious truth" if it bit you in the ***.
"A communist is someone who reads Marx. An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx." Ronald Reagan
If habeas corpus is nonexistent, why am I in TX right now rather than languishing in a jail cell in Anchorage due to a traffic stop?
Giving see, this is a major problem you have. NO ONE deserves to be given ANYTHING at all. The sooner you accept that simple fact of life, the better off you will be. everyone the opportunity to to healthcare we already do without being terrified that they are one big health problem away from bankrupcy oh, so because people do irresponsible things with their money, that is somehow MY problem? is your idea of freedom Your idea of freedom seems to be a government that exhibits complete, micromanaging, total control of every aspect of your life. The countries that tried that no longer exist. I wonder why that is? !!!
Sorry to disagree, but technically the phrase "congress shall make no law" only appears in the first amendment. The constitution spells out where and how the congress can make laws, and they make laws all the time, so in my opinion, you can't say the whole Constitution implies that Congress can't make laws.
I might all be semantics, and we may have to agree to disagree.
I think the Supreme Court will uphold the constitutional right of Americans to own a firearm. I would be stunned if this right were taken away. I really don't think this will even be a close vote, perhaps Ginsberg will call for an act of Congress to amend the constitution, but I think even she would know she doesn't have the power to change the constitution.
But the Supremes could have achieved that result simply by letting the (correct, IMO) lower court ruling stand. Hopefully, my fears & the NYT editorial board's hopes regarding this case are misplaced.
JMR
But the Supremes could have achieved that result simply by letting the (correct, IMO) lower court ruling stand.
Not completely, Sarc. The circuit court's ruling would have been persuasive authority at best. A SCOTUS ruling makes it supreme law that is mandatory and primary authority for any and all future court cases of any 2nd Amendment nature, and can be cited to support many future decisions.
I understand it's a risk, but that's what the DC gubmint wanted in their arrogance, so now they have to live with the results. As General Patton used to say (paraphrasing), let's not take counsel of our fears.
I had a chance to meet Alan Gura and his team at the Gun Rights Policy Conference in October, and I can attest that these guys are supremely confident (sorry, pun) that they will win this case. DC has to show that the Circuit Court erred in its decision, and this will be hard to do, as the Circuit Court adhered to the law.
The only question is what KIND of decision the 5-4 will be, narrow or sweeping. I suspect narrow, but a victory is a victory, and leads to other victories.
All that said, I'm augmenting my "collection" in prep for the worst (just in case).
I'd have been satisfied with the narrow ruling sure-thing victory, especially considering the prospect of a narrow win like 5-4 where the other side will get excited. The Brady Bunch is already asking for money, according to spies.
To me, this feels like winning at blackjack & then "letting it ride" for the next hand rather than taking the money from the casino, so it's uncomfortable. I'm also aware that "we" have excellent legal minds on our side, but I guess it's just my nature to worry about this stuff.
JMR
I know what you mean by letting it ride. I guess another way to look at it is this:
With 20,000 gun laws on the books and the FED and local govs militarizing themselves to the teeth, things can't get a whole lot worse for the Citizenry. This is more like going for broke when you see an opening.
Poker analogy: We're holding trip aces and DC has reraised but has betrayed a tell. It's time to go all in.
There hasn't been a better opportunity since 1939, thanks to a lack of good justices back in '68 and a good situation like we have here. The time to strike is NOW, and we're doing that. There's a risk that this could bite us, but I believe fearing that risk is unfounded. Even if this goes the other way, I suspect people will be awakened to the danger and might just "throw the bums out."
Either way, it's in God's hands now. We can't even lobby for this - it's up to nine unelected officials in black robes. Only God can influence them now.
No sense worrying about it - just go buy some more guns!
The ironic thing to me (which was pointed out by some prominent conservative) is that Liberals can see an inalienable right to an abortion where there is absolutely no mention of it, yet they can't see the right to keep and bear arms when the friggin' words are right in front of their faces! It's insanity.
Robert Samuelson has a must-read article on the political impact of the credit crunch. He makes an interesting claim: Iraq aside, Democrats and Republicans are dead even. How Iraq breaks will swing the election. But, argues Samuelson, the credit situation will also be a huge factor. The current securitization model for how we "finance" finance is part of the normal credit cycle, but if it breaks badly during the election, people won't see it as part of any cycle. They'll just feel the pinch, and vote that way.
I do not see this doom and gloom economy that the MSM keeps talking about. Yesterday I was in the grocery store. All the check outs were open. (First time I ever saw that.) There were people in each line. Drive on highway 43 north towards Greenville, NC and you see houses being built everywhere. Travel from here down US 17 south to US 70 east and there are houses going up all along the way to Havelock. The past few times I have been in Greenville, the stores have been crowded. Maybe these reporters need to off their duffs and look around.
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Seems that Hillary is mocking O’Bama about his foreign policy experience. I would like someone to tell me where she gets her experience. Sitting in on cabinet meetings? That is the same as Cole Trickle in Days of Thunder saying he learned to drive watching Dale Earnhardt on ESPN. Please Leon tell me where she is so qualified to be POTUS. From what I have seen she would not qualify for dog catcher because she has never worked a real job like the rest of us.
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Humped Back lie of the week: "From the beginning, Mr. Vick has accepted responsibility for his actions, and his self-surrender further demonstrates that acceptance,” Billy Martin, Vick’s attorney. Right, only after his homeboys turned on him did he accept any responsibility.
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I think that I am going to take a break from politics for the next few days. My daughter, husband and their 3 kids are here. My oldest son and his 2 are coming and my other son, his fiancée and her son will be here tomorrow. My daughter in Pensacola can’t come because her doctor won’t let her travel. She is going to fix dinner for about 10 Marines that are in her husband’s class at Corry Station that couldn’t go home. I thought that that was nice of her.
I’ll be back on Friday to give my opinions on this week’s rivalry games. Have a safe and Happy Thanksgiving. No sense telling you not to eat too much. I don’t listen so why should y’all. By the way turkey causes some to have gas. Please try to hold it we don’t want to be seen as contributing to global warming.
Democracy: Three wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch.
I don't think it's the right to bear arms that they're taking up. Its the right of the individual to bear arms.
Until the Bush administration, the others, including The Gipper if I'm not mistaken, indicated that that right belonged to the state, not the individual. The Bush administration changed that to indicate that the individual bears that right.
This makes sense because all of the other rights enumerated in the amendments are for the individual. So why would nine of the ammendments guarantee an individual right but one of them would guarantee a group right?
Unfortunately SCOTUS will most likely look at what was defined before in some sort of Stare Decis (spelling) thing instead of looking at original intent.
Since government is coercion, politics is largely the exercise of deception regarding the intended use of coercion - George Orwell
It's good to remember that many Americans were on the frontier when the second amendment was written. For those people, armed defense wasn't just an option; it was a communal obligation. The reason why individuals needed to own their own guns is that when a community was under attack, they didn't have time to distribute rifles. People needed to come out firing.
I'm not sure how many American towns are facing imminent raids, but that's the history.
KC, if this is so, then why did the founding fathers insist that the tyneary that was so prevalent in Europe would not occur here because of the second ammendment? An armed population was seen as necessary to security and freedom.
Not sure if you're taking me the right way, bassndude. I'm not against the second amendment.
When you analyze the second amendment, you see that the text is more concerned with whether the government can infringe on the right to bear arms. But apparently, the Founders took it for granted that everyone knew what the right was. They didn't spell it out because they saw no reason to explain it. Everyone already knew that, right? Well, subsequent generations lost that. We don't know what they took for granted. Does the right apply to individuals or to the state as a whole?
I argue that because these people included frontiersmen, and those people had clear reason to own their individual weapons, then the benefit of the doubt should go to the individual interpretation. Strict originalism would demand that since that's what the Founders took for granted, then that's the interpretation that was agreed to, and that's what passes constitutional muster.
Why would the Supremes take this case if they could have just let the lower court ruling stand to achieve a good result? Am I right to be worried and is the NYT editorial board right to have hopes of more control-freakery? Here's hoping not, and Happy Thanksgiving, everyone.
JMR
Just to clarify, Sarc, since you asked the same question in two places, DC asked for the hearing and Gura et al did not oppose. Our guys WANT this settled in the SCOTUS. I heard them say so at the GRPC. DC has fallen into a trap here. These boys are good, and they will win. They've already won twice, you know. Courage!
The 2nd Amendment is our last great hope that we will be able to preserve the other 9... or at least what remains of them. By last count, much of the 1st, 5th and the 10th are gone.
I don't really care what the SCOTUS says or don't says about guns. They aren't getting mine in any case. Ever. As much as it pains me to quote a Democrat, even a long dead one who is nothing like these present day Neo-Stalinist, here goes.
Andrew Jackson once said about the SCOTUS: "They made the law, let them enforce it". This quote fits on any ruling about guns/firearms. I'm not worried.
The Open thread pic looks like a Springfield XD 60. Not Sure if it's .44 or .45 ACP.
I fired one of those SWEET pistols whilst on my Honeymoon in the Poconos this year. Sunset Hill it was called. It was a surprise from her. While there, we shot and M1 Garand, AR15, and a Colt revolver. I forget the name of the revolver. Place was awesome. All you pay for is ammunition. I dropped some dough for that!
From one gun culture member to another, CONGRATS on your nuptials! Glad you got to do some shooting. Glad to hear she likes to shoot too - there's nothing sexier than a hot babe busting caps!
No, not a member of anything yet. Well, unless the Minuteman Dart League counts.. :-) My Dad just bought an M1 carbine. THe only thing that is bad about that gun is GOOD 30 cal ammo is hard to find! Other than that, those full metal jackets are unstoppable!
Islamic Religious Services Will Be Held at the Firing Range At 0800 Daily.
Six String Spiff... The picture is indeed one of a Springfield XD. However, they are not chambered for the .44 caliber. They are produced in 9mm, 40S&W, and 45 ACP. Being the .44 is a cartridge with a rimmed case, it has some unique problems when being used in a semi auto pistol. One maker that has enjoyed some commercial success with the 44 in a semi auto is Magnum Research and the Desert Eagle.
But I must say that I am more of a 1911 fan and enjoy ones like this, or that.
This is going to be an interesting issue to follow. My vote is that SCOTUS will indeed rule in favor of the 2nd ammendment.
For those of you who do not have enough reading to do, some additional reading you may find of interest is available here, here, & here.
From listening to my MSNBC-addicted brother crow about it last night, I thought that the Scott McClellan claim that Bush, Cheney, and Rove planned the Plame "outing" would be the huge story on all the news and here. I'm not seeing much about it. Is this, like I asked my brother in reply, last night, important to him, Chris Matthews, and Olbermann?
By the way, is McClellan the latest ex-Bush operative or official trying to pump up sells of their memoirs by accusing Bush of something bad? Does he know that, otherwise, his book would be heading straight to the $7.98 bargain table at Barnes and Noble? Was he forced out of the press secretary job? There's something behind this, other than a clear conscience...
I'm withholding my opinion until I get McClellan's take on this. I haven't heard his response if he has made one yet. If anyone has please inform.
I think this it was former CIA chief Tenant that according to the demedia supposedly attacked Cheney on Iraq but I came away with a totally different opinion when I heard Tenant's version. Possibly this is more of the same or maybe I'm wrong on the Tenant controversy.
Regardless, I would like to hear McClellan speak on the matter before I react Chris.
And the acronym is somewhat-ribald, but has anyone pondered the mind-set of a community that literally-needed to come up with a word like "BOHICA"??
JMR
Since I am sure there is a certain percentage of us here in the NB's community that actually DO THE COOKING tomorrow, and won't have the time to jump on tomorrow I thought I'd wish yunz all a very Happy Thanksgiving today.
When we give thanks these last few years around our table we don't first begin with thanking G-d for our family, friends and personal blessings ... No, we FIRST thank G-d for the brave men and women who sacrifice all to protect this country, and who are thankful everyday to make it safely/alive through another day. Without our military men and women we would not exist.
A few days ago Mark Steyn wrote a very good column about the USA. I thought I'd share it with you (hopefully it's not a repeat on this site ... must make the excuse of my battling a nasty sinus infection this week, and my head has been a mellon of late):
I get up and cook a big breakfast for the family-eggs, bacon, grits, gravy, biscuits, pancakes. After that my wife runs me out and her and my daughter take over. It is my job to take care of the grandchildren. It is supposed to be 78 degrees here tomorrow so I will take them to the county park and let them run wild.
Last night my daughter called wanting to know how I fixed the turkey. Told her that the best thing to do was go buy a smoked turkey and heat it up. She had already bought a 17 pounder. Seems her Marine husband invited those in his class that couldn't go home over for dinner, about 10 of them. I told her how and wished her good luck.
As you said be thankful to those serving our country.
Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours. Don't work too hard.
Democracy: Three wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch.
Seems her Marine husband invited those in his class that couldn't go home over for dinner, about 10 of them.
Holy cow! Seems the Marines are advancing this Thanksgiving, rick! (acu - if you've been to Pat's site I posted this famdamnily update there too ...)
“The Marines Will Be Invading Tomorrow”
This Thanksgiving (newlyweds) my daughter and her husband, wanted to have Thanksgiving in their new home. Well, started out with her immediate family (2 parents and 2 sisters) and his immediate family (parents, a brother-like cousin, and his Marine Sgt. brother and his girlfriend) and my daughter’s best friend and her Marine Sgt. hubby. (Both Marines came home ~ son-in-law’s brother from Paris Island, SC and daughter’s friends from Camp Lejeune, N.C. … he just returned home from 3rd Iraq tour a few weeks ago ~ for the big The Ohio State University and Michigan football game last weekend.) But both had to return at the beginning of the week to report for work on base. Both are returning here tonight for the holiday.
Meanwhile, my daughter’s best friend’s hubby called her this morning and asked if it would be okay if a “couple” of his Marine buddies, that hadn’t made plans to go home for the holiday, accompanied him to her home.
She said “Bring your own beer, and come on down.” So, she and my son-in-law will be housing and feeding about a half dozen Marines through the weekend. I have emptied my linen closet of air mattress, sheets, blankets, and pillows for them. This should be great fun, as we are expecting a bit of a November Witch in our neck of the woods starting tonight (warm here now, but snowy cold front expected to BLOW in later).
Good thing the house has 3 bathrooms … I hope she’s got enough paper …
Wondering how my 2 yr. old Grandson will come out of this Marine invasion … the little monster!
The guys are deep frying a turkey I bought yesterday, while my daughter and her girlfriend will be tending to the “back-up” oven roasted one. My special stuffing and gravy, and butter milk mashed `taters.
To lighten things up a little bit today, here's a joke I found in my inbox this morning.
An airplane was about to crash. There were 5 passengers on board, but
only 4 parachutes.
The 1st passenger said, "I am Kobe Bryant, the best NBA basketball
player. The Lakers need me, and I can't afford to die."
So he took the 1st pack and left the plane.
The 2nd passenger, Hillary Clinton said, "I am the wife of a former US
President, a NY State Senator and a potential future president. And I
am the smartest woman in American history..... ...so America's people
don't want me to die."
She took the 2nd pack and jumped out of the plane.
The 3rd passenger, Ted Kennedy said, "I am a US Senator..... the
democratic party needs me and my liver still has some good years left."
So he grabbed the pack next to him and jumped.
The 4th passenger, Billy Graham, said to the 5th passenger, a 10 year
old schoolgirl, "I am old and frail and don't have many years
left,....... ......... and as a Christian I will sacrifice my life and
let you have the last parachute."
The little girl said, "That's okay. There's a parachute left for
you........
America' s smartest woman took my school bag
"Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them." -Matthew 7:20
To all, and to yours, have a Thankful Thanksgiving, and especially to those who allow us to be Thankful, our military personnel, around the world, I offer these for fun. First turkey (NO pun EVER!!) Turkey Two. Turkey Three. (Warning from here on) Turkey Four. Turkeys Five. and a warm turkey. But, the really big turkey. (IMHO)
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dadV
The Paul campaign, on the same day GQ honored the good doctor, also got a somewhat-less-gentlemanly endorsement! To me, this is rather-shocking, since it might ultimately work to lessen Mr. Hof's very lucrative semi-monopoly, but let the tasteless jokes begin. ;)
JMR
Any ban on any type of firearms within the US is unconstitutional. The second amendment specifically states the the right to bear arm will not be infringed. This doesn't mean you have to join a gun club, carry a permit or petition the local corrupt powers that be for permission. The entire debate regarding a well regulated militia is ridiculous and meant only to divert, and pervert, the debate. By the way, in the 1780's a well regulated militia meant a well armed citizenry.
...Airport spokesman Pat Hogan said people should still arrive early at the Twin Cities airport, but they should not expect any big delays.
"You know a few years ago this time of year the ticketing lobby would have been very crowded and a very hectic situation," he said. "But in the last couple of years we've really seen some changes in Thanksgiving. Things are good. The lines are operating more smoothly. They are going faster. People seem to be more familiar now with the what the security regulations are." ...
More negatives which do not prove positive for libs.
JDW
Sen Clinton: Distinguished Founder of Media Matters
The opening segment last night highlighted what could happen if the left wins the election. I use the word 'could' because only a politician that has a death wish would go this route.
Laura showed some clips of people rushing stages whenever a pundit with right leanings is about to speak. She then interviwed some moronic anti-war activists. The moment Laura asked this woman (for all you real women, forgive me) a question she started to rant about another subject and tried to speak over Laura. The issue Laura was trying to convey is... that this new crop of activists deny free speech to those that disagree with them.
I know this is not new, but it is getting worse every day. We as Americans must fight these idiots tooth and nail. If they vote in a POTUS that feels the same as they do, we are in for one helluva fight.
A militia, in the late 1700's, was a bunch of citizens on call to answer Paul Revere's ride thru Town, or later during the War for Independence, the Militia would join the Continental Army as they marched thru town headed out to fight the British.
Ordinary Citizens owning guns, to protect themselves from whatever.
Well regulated, could mean when you walk outside your house with a Gun, you come under "regulation"....but if you keep a Gun in your home, you right to own and bear arms will not be infringed upon.
Hitler's SS went door to door, arresting citizens.......this cannot happen in America. Hitler's SS would start losing door to door salesmen one by one due to armed citizens picking off the no good SOB's as they walked up to your door, after your neighbor called you and warned you what was happening.
A militia, is an armed group of citizens on call to Law enforcement, ready to grab a gun and help enforce the "well regulated" laws of the land....including shooting Buglers or car theives violating the laws, or busting up Jesse James and friends robbing the local Bank, or as in the case of the 1960's Austin U of Texas Tower shootings, citizens with dear rifles coming out of their homes, and using their Rifles to pin down the Deranged killer in the Tower. Instant Militia responding to a local emergency ....Guns agains Guns....
How does law enforcement swear in a Posse, to chase Armed Criminals, when the Posse is forbidden to own a gun at home and bring it with him as he walks to the shreiff's office to be sworn in ?
What good is a Free Press, if it is a False Press ? David Foote GoE
The late Leonard Read's classic short essay, titled "I, Pencil." I urge all of you not only to read it again, but to spread it around, especially to young people.
I can't believe it's almost 50 years old, and the average person is still so undereducated regarding basic economics. Maybe if more people would read one great essay...
JMR
MSM: You mean it hasnt completely rotted away yet? This is the best news Ive heard all month, I could practically burst with joy. So where did you see the carcus last anyway?
Mcclellan: I cant remember exactly where it was, I was too blinded by the kliegel lights, but I can assure you, it can be beaten some more if you want.
MSM: Ok we'll find it dont worry Scotty, we'll put our best minds on it asap.
Mcclellan: Oh I almost forgot, here's the shovel...please hit it once for me.
It should come as no surprise that the term "Swift-Boating" has been co-opted by the left to be defined as doing something heinously awful to one's political opponent. Many lefty candidates are accusing other lefty candidates of "swift-boating" when one campaign challenges another. And of course, MSM goes right along. "Swift-boating" has been equated to some awful dirty trick.
Nothing could be further from the truth (that's never stopped these guys before). Swift-boat Veterans nailed Senator Kerry for his lies, hypocrisy and deception, and he was unable to refute them.
In my mind "Swift-boating" is a good thing. It's disclosing the truth.
In the mind of MSM and their liberal candidates it's equivalent to McCarthyism, Facism, Racism, Spousal abuse, and Chewing tobacco.
TH- Mrs Clinton to skip LA debate if CBS workers strike
"America’s unions are the backbone of America’s middle class and I will always stand with America’s working men and women in the fight to ensure that they are able to earn a fair wage"
How do unions benefit the middle class? They support the libs.
The middle class faces surtaxes with the proposed Rangel (Mrs Clinton) tax as well as losses in employment.
How is she fighting for the middle class?
JDW
Sen Clinton: Distinguished Founder of Media Matters
"Here’s another reason why it’s important that we appoint judges who use the Constitution as more than a set of suggestions. Today, the Supreme Court decided to hear the case of District of Columbia v. Heller.
Six plaintiffs from Washington, D.C. challenged the provisions of the D.C. Code that prohibited them from owning or carrying a handgun. They argued that the rules were an unconstitutional abridgment of their Second Amendment rights. The Second Amendment, part of the Bill of Rights, provides, “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”
The District argued, as many gun-control advocates do, that these words only guarantee a collective “right” to bear arms while serving the government. The United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit rejected this approach and instead adopted an “individual rights” view of the Second Amendment. The D.C. Circuit is far from alone. The Fifth Circuit and many leading legal scholars, including the self-acknowledged liberal Harvard law professor Laurence Tribe, have also come to adopt such an individual rights view.
I’ve always understood the Second Amendment to mean what it says – it guarantees a citizen the right to “keep and bear” firearms, and that’s why I’ve been supportive of the National Rifle Association’s efforts to have the DC law overturned.
In general, lawful gun ownership is a pretty simple matter. The Founders established gun-owner rights so that citizens would possess and be able to exercise the universal right of self-defense. Guns enable their owners to protect themselves from robbery and assault more successfully and more safely than they otherwise would be able to. The danger of laws like the D.C. handgun ban is that they limit the availability of legal guns to people who want to use them for legitimate reasons, such as self-defense (let alone hunting, sport shooting, collecting), while doing nothing to prevent criminals from acquiring guns.
The D.C. handgun ban, like all handgun bans is necessarily ineffectual. It takes the guns that would be used for self protection out of the hands of law-abiding citizens, while doing practically nothing to prevent criminals from obtaining guns to use to commit crimes. Even the federal judges in the D.C. case knew about the flourishing black market for guns in our nation’s capital that leaves the criminals armed and the law-abiding defenseless. This is unacceptable.
The Second Amendment does more than guarantee to all Americans an unalienable right to defend one’s self. William Blackstone, the 18th century English legal commentator whose works were well-read and relied on by the Framers of our Constitution, observed that the right to keep and bear firearms arises from “the natural right of resistance and self-preservation.” This view, reflected in the Second Amendment, promotes both self-defense and liberty. It is not surprising then that the generation that had thrown off the yoke of British tyranny less than a decade earlier included the Second Amendment in the Constitution and meant for it to enable the people to protect themselves and their liberties.
You can’t always predict what the Supreme Court will do, but in the case of Heller and Washington, DC’s gun ban, officials in the District of Columbia would have been better off expending their efforts and resources in pursuit of those who commit crimes against innocent people rather than in seeking to keep guns out of the hands of law-abiding citizens who would use them only to protect themselves and their families. And that is why appointing judges who apply the text of the Constitution and not their own policy preferences is so important."
The above paper was written by Fred Dalton Thompson...Fred is the man!
Someday it might be safe to use, but not today. A safer design needs to be invented before the thing is put into service again.
JACKSONVILLE, Fla. -- For the second time in less than 48 hours, a suspect shocked with a Taser gun by a Jacksonville sheriff's officer has died.
Police
said the incident followed a wreck involving the suspect's vehicle in
the 200 block of East 5th Street in Springfield about 3 p.m. Tuesday.
The driver then got into an altercation with another man.
Witness
David Webb was in the middle of all the action. The wreck involved his
SUV that was parked on the side of the road and led to a fight and a
man being hit with a Taser gun.
there is not an all perfect self defense weapon to please a liberal for every situation, for evey person, for every hour, for every minute, of every day. the best way i suggest to prevent people from being tased(don't tase me bro) is to not engage in behavior that might get you tased, whodathunk that, it is a good preventative step.
you know if my dad was an ass that the cops had to confront him and they felt a need to tase him he would probably die with his health, funny thing is my dad doesn't do thinks that will put him in those situations.
strange how behaving like a normal person prevents so many problems, but oh no lets blame objects for the results of peoples actions.
We believe in the rule of law, not street justice, and we don't just excecute suspects in the street, we arrest them and prosecute them.
There are alternatives to the Taser that work better and with less fatalities associated with them. For noncompliant but unarmed suspects, pepperspray and pepperball guns work better than the Taser. Even mace works better. If nesessary a net can be thrown over them.
All of us nowknow that these weapons can and do kill people, and now that we know, to continue to use them is negligent homicide.
No matter how you slice it, death by summary execution is UnAmerican.
With all due respect, Britcom, don't be stupid. What happened was not a "summary execution". The cop used a taser instead of his service pistol. He wasn't trying to kill the idiot, he was trying to subdue him in order to arrest and prosecute.
While I don't know all of the particulars, it appears that the victim was not amenable to reason, and was combative. That is why he was tasered instead of shot. The fact is he died from an accident, not from summary execution. Geeze. Get a clue before you post.
"A communist is someone who reads Marx. An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx." Ronald Reagan
The man is dead. He didn't get his day in court. He was killed by a weapon. The weapon was fired by an officer representing the local governmental authority. The weapon is known to be deadly. It is not known why some people die and others don't. The officer knew, or should have known, that use of the weapon could result in death. There are non-lethal alternatives to the weapon.
THEREFORE every time the weapon is used it amounts to a form of Russian Roulette. If I were a cop and if I were to put one bullet in my revolver and every time a suspect didn't comply with my order I pointed the gun at his head and pulled the trigger, when that gun finally went off and killed someone, would that not be a summary execution? ... or would you call that an "accident" as well?
**Update: Now a third man has died from a Taser in Canada. More >>
So, every time a death occurs in an auto accident, the offending driver should be charged with first degree murder? Sorry, Britcom, but accidents and unforeseen occurence befall us all. The officer did not intend to kill the dead guy. Doodoo occurs. The taser was developed so that officers would not have to draw service revolvers or pistols because when such weapons are drawn someone frequently dies. There is no such thing as an absolutely safe weapon. The fencing foils I used to use have a plastic button on the end of the blade. The end of the blade is itself coiled back upon itself so as to be blunt. Yet, there have been accidental deaths arising from fencing matches. Were those intentional murders? Summary executions?
Once again, the reason the officer used the taser instead of his revolver or pistol was in an attempt to subdue an unreasonable and combative suspect, not to kill the suspect. An execution, whether summary or otherwise, is an intentional act. A death occuring unintentionally, even if it is brought on by an agent of a government, is not a summary execution, but an accident.
"A communist is someone who reads Marx. An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx." Ronald Reagan
Not first degree murder, second degree murder (aka Criminally Negligent Homicide) and yes people who have had a car accident are sometimes charged with second degree murder if they were negligent.
According to Answers.com:
A summary execution is a type of extrajudicial punishment in which an accused or reported suspect of criminal activity is killed, often at the time and place of their being discovered. Summary executions may be a tactic employed by parties involved in guerrilla warfare and counterinsurgency tactics.
So I'm in the gym this morning and tuned into one of their four choices for morning news/liberal-ticklefests. I think it was GMA that I saw reporting on Thanksgiving travel, and they caught up with a guy near his SUV, and his comment was that he was deciding whether to drive or fly but with ticket prices vs gas prices. No problem there.
They then proceed to say his trip was 1300 miles one way and he would be paying $800 in gas. Ok, so while on the treadmill, I whip out my cell phone calculator and determine that for the round trip at $3.00/gallon, he'd be getting 9.75 MPG to have to spend $800 for gas. Bump the mileage up to 15 MPG (more likely) and it drops to $519. More exaggeration for the purpose of sensationalism by our beloved media dorks.
China has refused permission for a U.S.
aircraft carrier and accompanying vessels to visit Hong Kong for a
long-planned Thanksgiving holiday visit, the U.S. State Department said
on Wednesday.
The USS Kitty Hawk group and its crew of 8,000 airmen and sailors
had been expected in Hong Kong on Wednesday, but will now spend the
holiday on the South China Sea.
Hundred of relatives of crew members of the Kitty Hawk had flown to
Hong Kong to celebrate Thanksgiving with them. Hong Kong, especially
its Wanchai bar district, has been a regular port of call for U.S.
sailors on "R & R" (rest and recuperation) since the Vietnam War.
"I miss my daddy," said Mark Curry, 14, whose father is aboard one
of the vessels. "We thought he was going to be there, but we don't know
what actually happened. I was just depressed." More >>
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Richard Paey speaks!
November 21, 2007 - 10:00 ET by sarcasmoHere. I'd say crow's on the menu today for some NB residents, from the interview.
JMR
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Sarc the rain falls on the
November 21, 2007 - 13:30 ET by Dan The Man 2Sarc the rain falls on the just and unjust. Illegal is illegal and the man knew that from the first. The justice was served as would with anyone with the amount of drugs the man possesed. There may be a miscarriage of justice but not anything that is not reasonable. There is little from the case or trial taht is not hearsay from Paley or Balko. So inshort there is no evidence he was not planning to traffic.
In short it is no reason to change the laws.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
Let me get this straight...
November 21, 2007 - 13:33 ET by sarcasmoA miscarriage of justice isn't unreasonable? Sounds like a person it didn't happen to, or someone who's not enjoying his dish of crow! And the "hearsay" got the man a full PARDON, after all the hysteria we all saw from prohibitionists right here. Keep tryin' to swallow that crow!! :)
JMR
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Sarc Im too lazy to look up
November 21, 2007 - 17:48 ET by Dan The Man 2Sarc Im too lazy to look up specifics right now and you miss what my point is. Shit happens deal with it. The man had drugs he was not legally authorized to have, the cops busted him and he was put in prison. Whether or not he needed the drugs is irrelevant, it is the law. The miscarriage I was speaking of is the severity of the sentence. Perhaps his circumstances should have been taken into account.
The hearsay was of the article itself as there were no hard facts except from the defendents viewpoint. Onesided to say it another way. It was all yes I am a victim.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
I'll take that just as it's worded.
November 22, 2007 - 09:03 ET by sarcasmoFor today's humor, see what happens when McCain runs into an informed police officer. The Paey article is one-sided because one side was right in that case. That's why we eventually won via pardon, after all, and without the heat of the blogosphere the hypocrite-lobby would have gotten-away with more abuse.
JMR
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}}---> Congratulations sarc
November 22, 2007 - 09:09 ET by Cool ArrowYour Law firm was representing the parapalegic?
Nope, but
November 22, 2007 - 09:13 ET by sarcasmoMy favorite blog, The Agitator, did the rest of the media's job and changed the situation on the ground by putting substantial factual heat under a cowardly-governor's butt! So we won and the authoritarian statists lost for once. :)
Those on NB who whined about the case before when I did my part to give it publicity here now get that plate of crow, just like I said above, and my wishes for a happy Thanksgiving. I'll be enjoying turkey, thanks.
JMR
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}}---> So, sarc
November 22, 2007 - 09:32 ET by Cool ArrowDoes the pardon mean this guy gets all the illegal drugs he can get his hands on?
If not, he ain't really won much, now has he?
Here in Texas you get to make lots of drug runs if you're illegal and happen to get shot in the butt by Border Agents.
But that too comes to an end, so to speak.
Reading is fundamental
November 22, 2007 - 09:42 ET by sarcasmoFlorida's prisons (well, really us taxpayers) were already providing him with a higher dose than he was convicted of getting once he got behind bars. I'm just amused McCain got so-schooled by that officer, who deserves some sort of a medal. Paey's pardon, though, means what pardons mean everywhere, and presumably he'll have to find a doctor that dares prescribe him what he needs.
Once again, it was not a law firm -- justice failed. It was instead FACTUAL heat from the blogosphere (I was but a tiny part of it amid the continual whines of drug warriors here) under the butt of a cowardly governor that caused today's crow-eatin' festival. The venom for Paey amid forgiveness for Limbaugh for doing basically the same thing is yet-another instance of double-standards I've busted around here. And to think, I do this bias-bustin' for free for y'all. :)
JMR
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There now sarc
November 22, 2007 - 09:48 ET by Cool ArrowThat wasn't so hard was it?
It took you a while but you finally brought Limbaugh into it without me actually saying "Trash Limbaugh already, will ya"
Put predicting that comment wasn't gonna be all that prophetic.
Nope, not Limbaugh, but *definitely*
November 22, 2007 - 09:53 ET by sarcasmoTrashing a double-standard, for the readers in the crowd. Saying Limbaugh did what the pardoned guy did is merely telling the truth, not trashing anyone, so I guess you'd best stay away from the casino today.
JMR
PS But this is still today's crow. Thanks, Senator McCain!
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}}---> Yes, Limbaugh
November 22, 2007 - 09:58 ET by Cool ArrowOtherwise you could have as easily mentioned Brittney, Lindsay, Roger Clinton, Downey . . . etc.
But you chose Limbaugh. Totally predictable.
Yep.
November 22, 2007 - 10:02 ET by sarcasmoBoth in FL. Both pain patients in trouble with the law. One standard on this side, and 2 on the "conservative" crow-eatin' side. Totally predictable.
But you haven't even commented on the officer who schooled McCain. Like that one, too?? :)
JMR
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}}---> sarc
November 22, 2007 - 10:12 ET by Cool ArrowWhen your comments are all over the board, don't expect we'll address (or independently investigate) each link to which you point.
So if that's how you eek out your "y'all are eating crow now" victories, have at it.
I love it
November 23, 2007 - 04:41 ET by sarcasmoWhen you become-plural on me! And that roasted-crow was the Paey-double-standard whiners' to enjoy, like it or not, but thanks for avoiding my question about the officer schooling McCain. That's funny, too. :)
JMR
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Sarc
November 22, 2007 - 10:12 ET byMy favorite blog, The Agitator
Your favorite is not NB? Are you coming here to Agitate?
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -Chief Justice John Roberts
The Agitator's heat
November 23, 2007 - 04:43 ET by sarcasmoUnder a reluctant governor's ass freed a man who was unjustly in prison, by repeatedly doing the news media's job for it. NB is a great blog, sure, but can NB say that?
JMR
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So NB is not your fave?
November 23, 2007 - 10:02 ET byAnd Sarc if NB, MRC, TimesWatch, Townhall, etc are successful in providing balance to the point where the MSM must balance or die; that will have a much greater effect than individual cases.
Yes, you are even more annoying than Blonde. the EYE
For me, Radley's Agitator beats 'em all, even NB...
November 23, 2007 - 10:22 ET by sarcasmoThat one blog did the politically-incorrect grunt-work "mainstream" journalists refused to do. That excellent journalism ultimately is what freed a man who was costing Floridians more taxes every day he was un-justly kept in prison. Radley Balko fixed an expensive legal failure with Paey, and he has gone a long way towards fixing another expensive failure in the Corey Maye case.
Individuals are what have rights that need protecting, not groups. The political left AND the political right need to keep that fact in mind. So the bottom line is: yeah, Radley's Agitator gets my vote over all other blogs, at least for this year. The MSM isn't even close to death from NB-etc., but an innocent individual is now free and home with his family, due to The Agitator. That rocks because individual freedom rocks, so I'm proud of my choice. :)
JMR
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I think most everyone know
November 21, 2007 - 10:01 ET by bassndudeI think most everyone know where I stand on the arms issue. The part I most pay attention to is "Congress shall make no law...."
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
"Congress shall make no
November 21, 2007 - 10:14 ET by motherbelt"Congress shall make no law..." is in the first amendment regarding free speech, etc.
I think the corresponding section of the second, that you might have in mind, is "shall not be infringed."
MB, the way I understand
November 21, 2007 - 10:46 ET by bassndudeMB, the way I understand the Constitution, the "Congress shall make no law.." applys to all 10 of the original amendments. The shall not be infringed is simply an additonal endorsement to the 2nd.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
it's good to ban guns -
November 21, 2007 - 12:39 ET by TruthMongerit's good to ban guns - then only criminals have them - that would be good - espcially in a friendly town like inner-city DC!
Libs seem to have a death
November 21, 2007 - 12:47 ET by vrwc13Libs seem to have a death wish...ban guns so they cannot protect themselves, abort their offspring, socialize our country killing our freedoms...have I missed anything?
v
Yeah, you forgot one...way
November 21, 2007 - 13:53 ET by fosstenYeah, you forgot one...way down the list there...see it?
"Outlaw Christianity"
Forget 911, I dial 10MM.
liberals want to kill freedoms??
November 21, 2007 - 15:37 ET by professor truthMore rational thinking . Let's see, suspending habeas corpus, domestic spying, secret rendition, outing covert CIA officials for revenge, starting criminal wars of aggression, consolidating media, but it's the Liberals you blame for your loss of freedoms?????
Oh, I see. Giving everyone the opportunity to to healthcare without being terrified that they are one big health problem away from bankrupcy is your idea of freedom!!! How can anyone argue with logic like that??
ProfessorTroll
November 21, 2007 - 15:45 ET by fosstenTroll,
Your argument is flawed, your facts are wrong, and your sarcasm is pathetic. National healthcare would ELIMINATE freedom, as it would be required by law to have GOVERNMENT HEALTHCARE.
Loss of gun rights in this country is a liberal invention. So is hate speech. There go Amendments 1 and 2.
Any questions?
Forget 911, I dial 10MM.
Hmmm...GOVERNMENT
November 21, 2007 - 15:51 ET by vrwc13Hmmm...GOVERNMENT HEALTHCARE. We can see how well government schools have done. We can see how well the government retirement plan has done.
Sure why not, let's give 'em try at healthcare! ) :
v
The reason that Christianity is the best friend of government is because Christianity is the only religion that changes the heart.
Thomas Jefferson
national healthcare is a necessity
November 21, 2007 - 16:08 ET by professor truthSo when someone gets a communicable disease and doesn't see a doctor because they can't afford it, the entire community is at risk. Who do you think prepares your food? I would like to know that people are healthy for my benefit. The cost of healthcare is about twice that of countries with natioanl healthcare, with worse results. Long lines for national healthcare? We pay about double what other industrial nations pay. I waited 3 months for a followup visit after a critical surgery. I waited 2 months for a hernia surgery. And I was lucky. My first surgery was over 30 thousand just for the hospital. You guys have no clue what loss of freedom is until you get swamped by thousands of dollars in medical bills. And good luck with that insurance coverage. Hope they don't find a reason to not pay your bills. You guys don't have a clue abut freedom. How about economic freedom??? You know what wage slavery is all about.
Excellent advice from
November 21, 2007 - 16:20 ET by MightyMouthExcellent advice from someone who has been nearly impossible to fire for 25 years. Of course turning healthcare over to the government couldn't possibly have the same effect as government run schools.. could it? Why not try another social program doomed to fail? After all it's not like we have had the government f' things up before, right?
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
How many conservative congressmen and senators
November 21, 2007 - 16:36 ET by professor truthhave given up their GOVERNMENT healthcare? i guess they are pretty satisfied with their socialized healthcare. There are some excellent government schools like the Manhatten Beach school district, which has very high test score results on average. We've privatized much of the military with disastrous results. The public schools used to be excellent and in places still are. The biggest problem for public schools is demographics and bureaucracy.
For the past ten or more years, with perhaps one or two exceptions, the natiinal academic decathalon champs have been from public schools
You are naive if you think
November 21, 2007 - 16:48 ET by MightyMouthYou are naive if you think the "universal health care" that is being espoused is the same one congress critters voted themselves. haha!!
I do agree with the statement that public schools used to be excellent... but the last 40 years of liberalism and educational experimentation leaves us with one of the worst in the industrialized world.
And who where those "natiinal academic decathalon" students? Probably Asian kids. It's the parenting that made those kids, not the failed system you have helped to bring about.
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
How many Dems have given up tax breaks
November 22, 2007 - 12:12 ET by well99When all they talk about is the rich dont pay enough taxes.How many Dems congressman send their kids to public school?Your right those civilian KPs have totally messed up the military.Maybe you can enlist and start scrubbing pans.
pt... Well at least you
November 21, 2007 - 16:20 ET by Clear thinkerpt...
Well at least you carry your Socialist badge proudly.
Too bad you are in the wrong country for your ideology. If it's so bad here, go home!
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CT, the country that fit
November 22, 2007 - 10:47 ET by MikeBCT, the country that fit the "professor's" ideology no longer exists. Although, the current President of Russia seems to be trying to bring it back. I don't think the "professor" understands Marx.
"A communist is someone who reads Marx. An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx." Ronald Reagan
You have my honest sympathy
November 21, 2007 - 16:27 ET by KarmaYou have my honest sympathy for your medical and financial plight. I wish you good health and prosperity. I still disagree with most of your rant.
How much of that did you
November 21, 2007 - 17:51 ET by Dan The Man 2How much of that did you pay?
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
For the Shrieking Socialist
November 22, 2007 - 03:36 ET by UnsaneInterestingly, the countries that have tried to completely pamper their populations as you demand are ALL Going Nowhere.
You guys don't have a clue abut freedom. You better think again, as you are talking to one who traveled therough Alpha, Bravo AND Charlie, AND stepped inside North Korea.
How about economic freedom??? Instead of demanding the right to steal incessantly from me, GET YOUR OWN as I have.
Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.
laughable post professor.
November 21, 2007 - 15:54 ET by bassndudelaughable post professor. More proof you havent a concept of what is and is not.
As Reba would say, "Ya moron!"
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
bassndude, good to see I can cheer up the mentally handicapped
November 21, 2007 - 16:29 ET by professor truthYou meant to say that since my ideas disagree with yours, you have the eternal truths. I guess that makes you kind of a God.... of delusions. go see Michael Moore's Sicko and I think you would see how the health insurance companies are nothing other than parasites who profit off the deaths of people. The more death they cause by denying insurance, the more profit they make. That seems to be the battlcry for many of you, "give me profit and give them death." Kind of like a free market version of Patrick henry.
Untrue oh professor of
November 21, 2007 - 16:38 ET by MightyMouthUntrue oh professor of untruth. It's in the Insurance companies own best interest for you to remain healthy and alive!
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
sorry to burst your bubble of ignorance but
November 21, 2007 - 16:46 ET by professor truththe insurance companies make money by denying care, or refusing to pay for care. These should be obvious truths but alas, there are some slow witted mind sloths here. By the way, who provides me freedom and how do they do it?
the insurance companies
November 21, 2007 - 17:53 ET by Dan The Man 2the insurance companies make money by denying care, or refusing to pay for care. These should be obvious truths but alas, there are some slow witted mind sloths here. By the way, who provides me freedom and how do they do it? And have you investigated how long it takes for simple things in a governmnet run health care or what procedures are denied?
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
who provides me freedom and
November 21, 2007 - 17:54 ET by MightyMouthwho provides me freedom and how do they do it?
If you have to ask that question you are even more of an ingrate than I thought.
And answer me this prof. I you die and stop paying insurance premiums, how does that benifit the insurance company? What I said is true insurance companies want you healthy alive and making payments. Ask em!
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
MIghty
November 21, 2007 - 18:03 ET by BlondeOi....the perfessor is now recommending Michael Moore's movie here as "fact"...just how lame of a troll is this newest one?
Sheesh. Unbelievable. I'm resurrecting one of my old standby's.
We need a better class of troll, here.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Talk about ignorance!
November 22, 2007 - 11:07 ET by MikeBTalk about ignorance! "Professor", my degree is in Actuarial Science, so I would say I have a bit more understanding of insurance than you do. If insurance companies tried to make money the way you just described, every one of them would be out of business. If the state insurance commissions didn't do it, the policy holders and stock holders would. Insurance companies make money by investing the premiums paid. They make money by utilizing the properties of the Law of Large Numbers. The premiums paid for any insurance, including health insurance, do not begin to pay for what they could expend on an individual policy holder. The insurance companies make money because they know that not every homeowner with a fire insurance policy is going to incur a total loss. Otherwise, they would charge a $100,000 premium for $100,000 worth of coverage. (Actually, they would have to charge more than the face amount in order for them to make any money.) The insurance companies make money by providing you with the service of assuming your risk of loss. If you wanted to make an accurate statement, "professor", you should have said that the insurance companies keep from going bankrupt by denying frivolous or fraudulent claims, and denying coverage for risks you did not pay for. If they deny claims which are covered in the insurance contract, they can (and occasionally do) get hammered by the insurance commission.
"Professor" you wouldn't know an "obvious truth" if it bit you in the ***.
"A communist is someone who reads Marx. An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx." Ronald Reagan
Dear Shrieking
November 22, 2007 - 03:29 ET by UnsaneDear Shrieking Socialist,
If habeas corpus is nonexistent, why am I in TX right now rather than languishing in a jail cell in Anchorage due to a traffic stop?
Giving see, this is a major problem you have. NO ONE deserves to be given ANYTHING at all. The sooner you accept that simple fact of life, the better off you will be. everyone the opportunity to to healthcare we already do without being terrified that they are one big health problem away from bankrupcy oh, so because people do irresponsible things with their money, that is somehow MY problem? is your idea of freedom Your idea of freedom seems to be a government that exhibits complete, micromanaging, total control of every aspect of your life. The countries that tried that no longer exist. I wonder why that is? !!!
Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.
Sorry to disagree, but
November 21, 2007 - 15:30 ET by motherbeltSorry to disagree, but technically the phrase "congress shall make no law" only appears in the first amendment. The constitution spells out where and how the congress can make laws, and they make laws all the time, so in my opinion, you can't say the whole Constitution implies that Congress can't make laws.
I might all be semantics, and we may have to agree to disagree.
}}---> Bass
November 22, 2007 - 09:37 ET by Cool Arrow"shall not be infringed" means "don't even tiptoe up to it and act like you're gonna make a law against it.
What's sad is that a governing body believes it can affect Federal law with their local gun ban.
Seems to me DC needs to ban violent crime. Just a thought.
Internet
November 21, 2007 - 10:03 ET by JDWWired- Firefox Beta 3
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I am NOT messing with my
November 21, 2007 - 10:16 ET by motherbeltI am NOT messing with my Firefox! Every time I do, I lose all my bookmarks, and I always forget where the profile thing is and how to get them back.
If it ain't broke, I ain't "fixin' it."
bookmarks
November 21, 2007 - 10:27 ET by JDWThis is a software upgrade which will enhance bookmarking, not eliminate it.
Your only concern should be the fact that it is a Beta product. Maybe wait for the real thing.
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I think the Supreme Court
November 21, 2007 - 10:04 ET by Free ThinkerI think the Supreme Court will uphold the constitutional right of Americans to own a firearm. I would be stunned if this right were taken away. I really don't think this will even be a close vote, perhaps Ginsberg will call for an act of Congress to amend the constitution, but I think even she would know she doesn't have the power to change the constitution.
I hope you're right
November 21, 2007 - 10:18 ET by sarcasmoBut the Supremes could have achieved that result simply by letting the (correct, IMO) lower court ruling stand. Hopefully, my fears & the NYT editorial board's hopes regarding this case are misplaced.
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But the Supremes could
November 21, 2007 - 12:18 ET by fosstenBut the Supremes could have achieved that result simply by letting the (correct, IMO) lower court ruling stand.
Not completely, Sarc. The circuit court's ruling would have been persuasive authority at best. A SCOTUS ruling makes it supreme law that is mandatory and primary authority for any and all future court cases of any 2nd Amendment nature, and can be cited to support many future decisions.
I understand it's a risk, but that's what the DC gubmint wanted in their arrogance, so now they have to live with the results. As General Patton used to say (paraphrasing), let's not take counsel of our fears.
I had a chance to meet Alan Gura and his team at the Gun Rights Policy Conference in October, and I can attest that these guys are supremely confident (sorry, pun) that they will win this case. DC has to show that the Circuit Court erred in its decision, and this will be hard to do, as the Circuit Court adhered to the law.
The only question is what KIND of decision the 5-4 will be, narrow or sweeping. I suspect narrow, but a victory is a victory, and leads to other victories.
All that said, I'm augmenting my "collection" in prep for the worst (just in case).
Forget 911, I dial 10MM.
I hope you are correct.
November 21, 2007 - 12:25 ET by sarcasmoI'd have been satisfied with the narrow ruling sure-thing victory, especially considering the prospect of a narrow win like 5-4 where the other side will get excited. The Brady Bunch is already asking for money, according to spies.
To me, this feels like winning at blackjack & then "letting it ride" for the next hand rather than taking the money from the casino, so it's uncomfortable. I'm also aware that "we" have excellent legal minds on our side, but I guess it's just my nature to worry about this stuff.
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I know what you mean by
November 21, 2007 - 12:54 ET by fosstenI know what you mean by letting it ride. I guess another way to look at it is this:
With 20,000 gun laws on the books and the FED and local govs militarizing themselves to the teeth, things can't get a whole lot worse for the Citizenry. This is more like going for broke when you see an opening.
Poker analogy: We're holding trip aces and DC has reraised but has betrayed a tell. It's time to go all in.
There hasn't been a better opportunity since 1939, thanks to a lack of good justices back in '68 and a good situation like we have here. The time to strike is NOW, and we're doing that. There's a risk that this could bite us, but I believe fearing that risk is unfounded. Even if this goes the other way, I suspect people will be awakened to the danger and might just "throw the bums out."
Either way, it's in God's hands now. We can't even lobby for this - it's up to nine unelected officials in black robes. Only God can influence them now.
No sense worrying about it - just go buy some more guns!
Forget 911, I dial 10MM.
The ironic thing to me
November 21, 2007 - 10:07 ET by mattmThe ironic thing to me (which was pointed out by some prominent conservative) is that Liberals can see an inalienable right to an abortion where there is absolutely no mention of it, yet they can't see the right to keep and bear arms when the friggin' words are right in front of their faces! It's insanity.
Samuelson on the credit crunch
November 21, 2007 - 10:18 ET by KC MulvilleRobert Samuelson has a must-read article on the political impact of the credit crunch. He makes an interesting claim: Iraq aside, Democrats and Republicans are dead even. How Iraq breaks will swing the election. But, argues Samuelson, the credit situation will also be a huge factor. The current securitization model for how we "finance" finance is part of the normal credit cycle, but if it breaks badly during the election, people won't see it as part of any cycle. They'll just feel the pinch, and vote that way.
Worth thinking about ...
. Forget 911, I dial
November 21, 2007 - 12:20 ET by fossten.
Forget 911, I dial 10MM.
Doom and Gloom/Hillary's Qualifications?
November 21, 2007 - 10:23 ET by ricklailI do not see this doom and gloom economy that the MSM keeps talking about. Yesterday I was in the grocery store. All the check outs were open. (First time I ever saw that.) There were people in each line. Drive on highway 43 north towards Greenville, NC and you see houses being built everywhere. Travel from here down US 17 south to US 70 east and there are houses going up all along the way to Havelock. The past few times I have been in Greenville, the stores have been crowded. Maybe these reporters need to off their duffs and look around.
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Seems that Hillary is mocking O’Bama about his foreign policy experience. I would like someone to tell me where she gets her experience. Sitting in on cabinet meetings? That is the same as Cole Trickle in Days of Thunder saying he learned to drive watching Dale Earnhardt on ESPN. Please Leon tell me where she is so qualified to be POTUS. From what I have seen she would not qualify for dog catcher because she has never worked a real job like the rest of us.
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Humped Back lie of the week: "From the beginning, Mr. Vick has accepted responsibility for his actions, and his self-surrender further demonstrates that acceptance,” Billy Martin, Vick’s attorney. Right, only after his homeboys turned on him did he accept any responsibility.
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I think that I am going to take a break from politics for the next few days. My daughter, husband and their 3 kids are here. My oldest son and his 2 are coming and my other son, his fiancée and her son will be here tomorrow. My daughter in Pensacola can’t come because her doctor won’t let her travel. She is going to fix dinner for about 10 Marines that are in her husband’s class at Corry Station that couldn’t go home. I thought that that was nice of her.
I’ll be back on Friday to give my opinions on this week’s rivalry games. Have a safe and Happy Thanksgiving. No sense telling you not to eat too much. I don’t listen so why should y’all. By the way turkey causes some to have gas. Please try to hold it we don’t want to be seen as contributing to global warming.
Democracy: Three wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch.
MRS CLINTON
November 21, 2007 - 11:29 ET by JDWThere's a fantastic article here today which details the qualifications, intentions, and focus on Obama.
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Individual Rights
November 21, 2007 - 10:25 ET by BeanManI don't think it's the right to bear arms that they're taking up. Its the right of the individual to bear arms.
Until the Bush administration, the others, including The Gipper if I'm not mistaken, indicated that that right belonged to the state, not the individual. The Bush administration changed that to indicate that the individual bears that right.
This makes sense because all of the other rights enumerated in the amendments are for the individual. So why would nine of the ammendments guarantee an individual right but one of them would guarantee a group right?
Unfortunately SCOTUS will most likely look at what was defined before in some sort of Stare Decis (spelling) thing instead of looking at original intent.
Since government is coercion, politics is largely the exercise of deception regarding the intended use of coercion - George Orwell
Forgetting history
November 21, 2007 - 10:47 ET by KC MulvilleIt's good to remember that many Americans were on the frontier when the second amendment was written. For those people, armed defense wasn't just an option; it was a communal obligation. The reason why individuals needed to own their own guns is that when a community was under attack, they didn't have time to distribute rifles. People needed to come out firing.
I'm not sure how many American towns are facing imminent raids, but that's the history.
KC, if this is so, then why
November 21, 2007 - 10:52 ET by bassndudeKC, if this is so, then why did the founding fathers insist that the tyneary that was so prevalent in Europe would not occur here because of the second ammendment? An armed population was seen as necessary to security and freedom.
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To be clear
November 21, 2007 - 12:28 ET by KC MulvilleNot sure if you're taking me the right way, bassndude. I'm not against the second amendment.
When you analyze the second amendment, you see that the text is more concerned with whether the government can infringe on the right to bear arms. But apparently, the Founders took it for granted that everyone knew what the right was. They didn't spell it out because they saw no reason to explain it. Everyone already knew that, right? Well, subsequent generations lost that. We don't know what they took for granted. Does the right apply to individuals or to the state as a whole?
I argue that because these people included frontiersmen, and those people had clear reason to own their individual weapons, then the benefit of the doubt should go to the individual interpretation. Strict originalism would demand that since that's what the Founders took for granted, then that's the interpretation that was agreed to, and that's what passes constitutional muster.
Individuals right to arms is not taken away by handgun ban
November 21, 2007 - 11:14 ET by Daniel BakerIf they take away the handgun ban why can't I have a missile in my house.
ITAR
November 21, 2007 - 11:20 ET by sarcasmoITAR. Let's concentrate on the issue at hand.
Why would the Supremes take this case if they could have just let the lower court ruling stand to achieve a good result? Am I right to be worried and is the NYT editorial board right to have hopes of more control-freakery? Here's hoping not, and Happy Thanksgiving, everyone.
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Just to clarify, Sarc,
November 21, 2007 - 12:23 ET by fosstenJust to clarify, Sarc, since you asked the same question in two places, DC asked for the hearing and Gura et al did not oppose. Our guys WANT this settled in the SCOTUS. I heard them say so at the GRPC. DC has fallen into a trap here. These boys are good, and they will win. They've already won twice, you know. Courage!
Forget 911, I dial 10MM.
Thanks!
November 21, 2007 - 12:28 ET by sarcasmoNow I feel good, and I think you're right. But I'm afraid the good feeling might just be that nasty "gambling high," speaking of which....
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The Second
November 21, 2007 - 10:30 ET by Dr_LibertyThe 2nd Amendment is our last great hope that we will be able to preserve the other 9... or at least what remains of them. By last count, much of the 1st, 5th and the 10th are gone.
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I don't really care what
November 21, 2007 - 10:33 ET by ConservativeRexI don't really care what the SCOTUS says or don't says about guns. They aren't getting mine in any case. Ever. As much as it pains me to quote a Democrat, even a long dead one who is nothing like these present day Neo-Stalinist, here goes.
Andrew Jackson once said about the SCOTUS: "They made the law, let them enforce it". This quote fits on any ruling about guns/firearms. I'm not worried.
Springfield XD 60 .44 ACP
November 21, 2007 - 10:47 ET by Six String SpiffThe Open thread pic looks like a Springfield XD 60. Not Sure if it's .44 or .45 ACP.
I fired one of those SWEET pistols whilst on my Honeymoon in the Poconos this year. Sunset Hill it was called. It was a surprise from her. While there, we shot and M1 Garand, AR15, and a Colt revolver. I forget the name of the revolver. Place was awesome. All you pay for is ammunition. I dropped some dough for that!
SSS,From one gun culture
November 21, 2007 - 12:25 ET by fosstenSSS,
From one gun culture member to another, CONGRATS on your nuptials! Glad you got to do some shooting. Glad to hear she likes to shoot too - there's nothing sexier than a hot babe busting caps!
Forget 911, I dial 10MM.
we shot and M1 Garand
November 21, 2007 - 12:32 ET by MightyMouthI am soooo jealous. Are you a CMP member six? The new Garands are in!
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Mightymouth
November 21, 2007 - 13:12 ET by Six String SpiffNo, not a member of anything yet. Well, unless the Minuteman Dart League counts.. :-) My Dad just bought an M1 carbine. THe only thing that is bad about that gun is GOOD 30 cal ammo is hard to find! Other than that, those full metal jackets are unstoppable!
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Six String....Yes... it is an XD
November 21, 2007 - 13:39 ET by ViperSix String Spiff... The picture is indeed one of a Springfield XD. However, they are not chambered for the .44 caliber. They are produced in 9mm, 40S&W, and 45 ACP. Being the .44 is a cartridge with a rimmed case, it has some unique problems when being used in a semi auto pistol. One maker that has enjoyed some commercial success with the 44 in a semi auto is Magnum Research and the Desert Eagle.
But I must say that I am more of a 1911 fan and enjoy ones like this, or that.
This is going to be an interesting issue to follow. My vote is that SCOTUS will indeed rule in favor of the 2nd ammendment.
For those of you who do not have enough reading to do, some additional reading you may find of interest is available here, here, & here.
And I wish everyone a Happy Thanksgiving!
From listening to my
November 21, 2007 - 10:48 ET by Chris NormanFrom listening to my MSNBC-addicted brother crow about it last night, I thought that the Scott McClellan claim that Bush, Cheney, and Rove planned the Plame "outing" would be the huge story on all the news and here. I'm not seeing much about it. Is this, like I asked my brother in reply, last night, important to him, Chris Matthews, and Olbermann?
By the way, is McClellan the latest ex-Bush operative or official trying to pump up sells of their memoirs by accusing Bush of something bad? Does he know that, otherwise, his book would be heading straight to the $7.98 bargain table at Barnes and Noble? Was he forced out of the press secretary job? There's something behind this, other than a clear conscience...
On McClellan
November 21, 2007 - 17:14 ET by acumenI'm withholding my opinion until I get McClellan's take on this. I haven't heard his response if he has made one yet. If anyone has please inform.
I think this it was former CIA chief Tenant that according to the demedia supposedly attacked Cheney on Iraq but I came away with a totally different opinion when I heard Tenant's version. Possibly this is more of the same or maybe I'm wrong on the Tenant controversy.
Regardless, I would like to hear McClellan speak on the matter before I react Chris.
The news media certainly doesn't cover it
November 21, 2007 - 10:55 ET by sarcasmoAnd the acronym is somewhat-ribald, but has anyone pondered the mind-set of a community that literally-needed to come up with a word like "BOHICA"??
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Sarc..I have seen it on
November 21, 2007 - 12:00 ET by ConservativeRexSarc..I have seen it on hard-hats at work...lol..I know exactly what it means...
Great article, Sarc. Long
November 21, 2007 - 12:27 ET by fosstenGreat article, Sarc.
Long live JPFO!
Forget 911, I dial 10MM.
Guns and Autos
November 21, 2007 - 11:01 ET by bobrlbobI will bet autos will kill more people over the holiday then guns. Guns do not kill, people do.
According to the media,
November 21, 2007 - 11:02 ET by Chris NormanAccording to the media, SUVs kill people - not their drivers...
Chuck Norris
November 21, 2007 - 16:18 ET by Dr_LibertyGuns don't kill people, Chuck Norris kills people.
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Since I am sure there is a
November 21, 2007 - 11:06 ET by drillanwrSince I am sure there is a certain percentage of us here in the NB's community that actually DO THE COOKING tomorrow, and won't have the time to jump on tomorrow I thought I'd wish yunz all a very Happy Thanksgiving today.
When we give thanks these last few years around our table we don't first begin with thanking G-d for our family, friends and personal blessings ... No, we FIRST thank G-d for the brave men and women who sacrifice all to protect this country, and who are thankful everyday to make it safely/alive through another day. Without our military men and women we would not exist.
A few days ago Mark Steyn wrote a very good column about the USA. I thought I'd share it with you (hopefully it's not a repeat on this site ... must make the excuse of my battling a nasty sinus infection this week, and my head has been a mellon of late):
Mark Steyn: World should give thanks for America
MARK STEYN
http://www.ocregister.com/opinion/americans-world-thanksgiving-1924033-europe-europeans
I get up and cook a big
November 21, 2007 - 12:33 ET by ricklailI get up and cook a big breakfast for the family-eggs, bacon, grits, gravy, biscuits, pancakes. After that my wife runs me out and her and my daughter take over. It is my job to take care of the grandchildren. It is supposed to be 78 degrees here tomorrow so I will take them to the county park and let them run wild.
Last night my daughter called wanting to know how I fixed the turkey. Told her that the best thing to do was go buy a smoked turkey and heat it up. She had already bought a 17 pounder. Seems her Marine husband invited those in his class that couldn't go home over for dinner, about 10 of them. I told her how and wished her good luck.
As you said be thankful to those serving our country.
Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours. Don't work too hard.
Democracy: Three wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch.
Seems her Marine husband
November 21, 2007 - 22:35 ET by drillanwrSeems her Marine husband invited those in his class that couldn't go home over for dinner, about 10 of them.
Holy cow! Seems the Marines are advancing this Thanksgiving, rick! (acu - if you've been to Pat's site I posted this famdamnily update there too ...)
“The Marines Will Be Invading Tomorrow”
This Thanksgiving (newlyweds) my daughter and her husband, wanted to have Thanksgiving in their new home. Well, started out with her immediate family (2 parents and 2 sisters) and his immediate family (parents, a brother-like cousin, and his Marine Sgt. brother and his girlfriend) and my daughter’s best friend and her Marine Sgt. hubby. (Both Marines came home ~ son-in-law’s brother from Paris Island, SC and daughter’s friends from Camp Lejeune, N.C. … he just returned home from 3rd Iraq tour a few weeks ago ~ for the big The Ohio State University and Michigan football game last weekend.) But both had to return at the beginning of the week to report for work on base. Both are returning here tonight for the holiday.
Meanwhile, my daughter’s best friend’s hubby called her this morning and asked if it would be okay if a “couple” of his Marine buddies, that hadn’t made plans to go home for the holiday, accompanied him to her home.
She said “Bring your own beer, and come on down.” So, she and my son-in-law will be housing and feeding about a half dozen Marines through the weekend. I have emptied my linen closet of air mattress, sheets, blankets, and pillows for them. This should be great fun, as we are expecting a bit of a November Witch in our neck of the woods starting tonight (warm here now, but snowy cold front expected to BLOW in later).
Good thing the house has 3 bathrooms … I hope she’s got enough paper …
Wondering how my 2 yr. old Grandson will come out of this Marine invasion … the little monster!
The guys are deep frying a turkey I bought yesterday, while my daughter and her girlfriend will be tending to the “back-up” oven roasted one. My special stuffing and gravy, and butter milk mashed `taters.
Should be a Thanksgiving to remember.
And we wouldn't have it any other way ... Amen!
Thanks Drill
November 21, 2007 - 17:07 ET by acumenThank you drill. Hope you and all have a blessed Thankgiving as well.
To lighten things up a
November 21, 2007 - 11:22 ET by DyneTo lighten things up a little bit today, here's a joke I found in my inbox this morning.
An airplane was about to crash. There were 5 passengers on board, but
only 4 parachutes.
The 1st passenger said, "I am Kobe Bryant, the best NBA basketball
player. The Lakers need me, and I can't afford to die."
So he took the 1st pack and left the plane.
The 2nd passenger, Hillary Clinton said, "I am the wife of a former US
President, a NY State Senator and a potential future president. And I
am the smartest woman in American history..... ...so America's people
don't want me to die."
She took the 2nd pack and jumped out of the plane.
The 3rd passenger, Ted Kennedy said, "I am a US Senator..... the
democratic party needs me and my liver still has some good years left."
So he grabbed the pack next to him and jumped.
The 4th passenger, Billy Graham, said to the 5th passenger, a 10 year
old schoolgirl, "I am old and frail and don't have many years
left,....... ......... and as a Christian I will sacrifice my life and
let you have the last parachute."
The little girl said, "That's okay. There's a parachute left for
you........
America' s smartest woman took my school bag
"Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them." -Matthew 7:20
LOL
November 21, 2007 - 11:40 ET by well99That was funny.I will have to save that to the comp.
Thanks Dyne...
November 21, 2007 - 11:58 ET by Clear thinkerThat was one funny joke! I can't wait to share it tomorrow to the crowd I'm expecting at our dinner table.
Happy Thanksgiving.
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and some additional humor.......
November 21, 2007 - 13:55 ET by ViperHave you seen this one making the rounds?
Push to save America.
Green
November 21, 2007 - 11:38 ET by JDWPolitico- Unintended consequences of alternative fuels
On the edge of an energy bill victory libs meet a firewall: Can alternative fuels hurt environment more than they can help it?
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Spot On
November 21, 2007 - 11:50 ET by mytwocentsYou are 100% correct!! How much more plain could it be?
For Your Thanksgiving Fun
November 21, 2007 - 11:59 ET by FastEdTo all, and to yours, have a Thankful Thanksgiving, and especially to those who allow us to be Thankful, our military personnel, around the world, I offer these for fun. First turkey (NO pun EVER!!) Turkey Two. Turkey Three. (Warning from here on) Turkey Four. Turkeys Five. and a warm turkey. But, the really big turkey. (IMHO)
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V
since someone here's bound to find it anyway...
November 21, 2007 - 11:59 ET by sarcasmoThe Paul campaign, on the same day GQ honored the good doctor, also got a somewhat-less-gentlemanly endorsement! To me, this is rather-shocking, since it might ultimately work to lessen Mr. Hof's very lucrative semi-monopoly, but let the tasteless jokes begin. ;)
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Any ban on any type of
November 21, 2007 - 12:10 ET by DoorGunnerAny ban on any type of firearms within the US is unconstitutional. The second amendment specifically states the the right to bear arm will not be infringed. This doesn't mean you have to join a gun club, carry a permit or petition the local corrupt powers that be for permission. The entire debate regarding a well regulated militia is ridiculous and meant only to divert, and pervert, the debate. By the way, in the 1780's a well regulated militia meant a well armed citizenry.
Travel
November 21, 2007 - 12:18 ET by JDWMPR- Airports: No major delays
More negatives which do not prove positive for libs.
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BOR w/Laura Ingraham
November 21, 2007 - 12:20 ET by Clear thinkerThe opening segment last night highlighted what could happen if the left wins the election. I use the word 'could' because only a politician that has a death wish would go this route.
Laura showed some clips of people rushing stages whenever a pundit with right leanings is about to speak. She then interviwed some moronic anti-war activists. The moment Laura asked this woman (for all you real women, forgive me) a question she started to rant about another subject and tried to speak over Laura. The issue Laura was trying to convey is... that this new crop of activists deny free speech to those that disagree with them.
I know this is not new, but it is getting worse every day. We as Americans must fight these idiots tooth and nail. If they vote in a POTUS that feels the same as they do, we are in for one helluva fight.
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Laura
November 21, 2007 - 15:09 ET by ricklailGo to rightwingnews. There is a video of her interviewing one of the anit-war moonbats. Let'er have it Laura. She needs to get on The View.
Democracy: Three wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch.
Def. of Militia.........
November 21, 2007 - 13:18 ET by JayTeeA militia, in the late 1700's, was a bunch of citizens on call to answer Paul Revere's ride thru Town, or later during the War for Independence, the Militia would join the Continental Army as they marched thru town headed out to fight the British.
Ordinary Citizens owning guns, to protect themselves from whatever.
Well regulated, could mean when you walk outside your house with a Gun, you come under "regulation"....but if you keep a Gun in your home, you right to own and bear arms will not be infringed upon.
Hitler's SS went door to door, arresting citizens.......this cannot happen in America. Hitler's SS would start losing door to door salesmen one by one due to armed citizens picking off the no good SOB's as they walked up to your door, after your neighbor called you and warned you what was happening.
A militia, is an armed group of citizens on call to Law enforcement, ready to grab a gun and help enforce the "well regulated" laws of the land....including shooting Buglers or car theives violating the laws, or busting up Jesse James and friends robbing the local Bank, or as in the case of the 1960's Austin U of Texas Tower shootings, citizens with dear rifles coming out of their homes, and using their Rifles to pin down the Deranged killer in the Tower. Instant Militia responding to a local emergency ....Guns agains Guns....
How does law enforcement swear in a Posse, to chase Armed Criminals, when the Posse is forbidden to own a gun at home and bring it with him as he walks to the shreiff's office to be sworn in ?
What good is a Free Press, if it is a False Press ? David Foote GoE
today, I re-read
November 21, 2007 - 14:25 ET by sarcasmoThe late Leonard Read's classic short essay, titled "I, Pencil." I urge all of you not only to read it again, but to spread it around, especially to young people.
I can't believe it's almost 50 years old, and the average person is still so undereducated regarding basic economics. Maybe if more people would read one great essay...
JMR
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Dead Horse meets Shovel
November 21, 2007 - 14:28 ET by third eyeMSM: You mean it hasnt completely rotted away yet? This is the best news Ive heard all month, I could practically burst with joy. So where did you see the carcus last anyway?
Mcclellan: I cant remember exactly where it was, I was too blinded by the kliegel lights, but I can assure you, it can be beaten some more if you want.
MSM: Ok we'll find it dont worry Scotty, we'll put our best minds on it asap.
Mcclellan: Oh I almost forgot, here's the shovel...please hit it once for me.
Control the definition = Control the debate
November 21, 2007 - 14:53 ET by CaringwhiteguyIt should come as no surprise that the term "Swift-Boating" has been co-opted by the left to be defined as doing something heinously awful to one's political opponent. Many lefty candidates are accusing other lefty candidates of "swift-boating" when one campaign challenges another. And of course, MSM goes right along. "Swift-boating" has been equated to some awful dirty trick.
Nothing could be further from the truth (that's never stopped these guys before). Swift-boat Veterans nailed Senator Kerry for his lies, hypocrisy and deception, and he was unable to refute them.
In my mind "Swift-boating" is a good thing. It's disclosing the truth.
In the mind of MSM and their liberal candidates it's equivalent to McCarthyism, Facism, Racism, Spousal abuse, and Chewing tobacco.
Unfortunately the left is defining the terms.
MRS CLINTON
November 21, 2007 - 15:39 ET by JDWTH- Mrs Clinton to skip LA debate if CBS workers strike
How do unions benefit the middle class? They support the libs.
The middle class faces surtaxes with the proposed Rangel (Mrs Clinton) tax as well as losses in employment.
How is she fighting for the middle class?
JDW
Sen Clinton: Distinguished Founder of Media Matters
Gun rights mention from yesterday.
November 21, 2007 - 16:27 ET by Clear thinker"Here’s another reason why it’s important that we appoint judges who use the Constitution as more than a set of suggestions. Today, the Supreme Court decided to hear the case of District of Columbia v. Heller.
Six plaintiffs from Washington, D.C. challenged the provisions of the D.C. Code that prohibited them from owning or carrying a handgun. They argued that the rules were an unconstitutional abridgment of their Second Amendment rights. The Second Amendment, part of the Bill of Rights, provides, “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”
The District argued, as many gun-control advocates do, that these words only guarantee a collective “right” to bear arms while serving the government. The United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit rejected this approach and instead adopted an “individual rights” view of the Second Amendment. The D.C. Circuit is far from alone. The Fifth Circuit and many leading legal scholars, including the self-acknowledged liberal Harvard law professor Laurence Tribe, have also come to adopt such an individual rights view.
I’ve always understood the Second Amendment to mean what it says – it guarantees a citizen the right to “keep and bear” firearms, and that’s why I’ve been supportive of the National Rifle Association’s efforts to have the DC law overturned.
In general, lawful gun ownership is a pretty simple matter. The Founders established gun-owner rights so that citizens would possess and be able to exercise the universal right of self-defense. Guns enable their owners to protect themselves from robbery and assault more successfully and more safely than they otherwise would be able to. The danger of laws like the D.C. handgun ban is that they limit the availability of legal guns to people who want to use them for legitimate reasons, such as self-defense (let alone hunting, sport shooting, collecting), while doing nothing to prevent criminals from acquiring guns.
The D.C. handgun ban, like all handgun bans is necessarily ineffectual. It takes the guns that would be used for self protection out of the hands of law-abiding citizens, while doing practically nothing to prevent criminals from obtaining guns to use to commit crimes. Even the federal judges in the D.C. case knew about the flourishing black market for guns in our nation’s capital that leaves the criminals armed and the law-abiding defenseless. This is unacceptable.
The Second Amendment does more than guarantee to all Americans an unalienable right to defend one’s self. William Blackstone, the 18th century English legal commentator whose works were well-read and relied on by the Framers of our Constitution, observed that the right to keep and bear firearms arises from “the natural right of resistance and self-preservation.” This view, reflected in the Second Amendment, promotes both self-defense and liberty. It is not surprising then that the generation that had thrown off the yoke of British tyranny less than a decade earlier included the Second Amendment in the Constitution and meant for it to enable the people to protect themselves and their liberties.
You can’t always predict what the Supreme Court will do, but in the case of Heller and Washington, DC’s gun ban, officials in the District of Columbia would have been better off expending their efforts and resources in pursuit of those who commit crimes against innocent people rather than in seeking to keep guns out of the hands of law-abiding citizens who would use them only to protect themselves and their families. And that is why appointing judges who apply the text of the Constitution and not their own policy preferences is so important."
The above paper was written by Fred Dalton Thompson...Fred is the man!
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Ron Paul: NEO-NAZI A$$HOLE!!!!!!
November 21, 2007 - 17:17 ET by Mr. Kafirhttp://www.americanthinker.com/2007/11/the_ron_paul_campaign_and_its.html
He sure does have a lot of
November 21, 2007 - 17:27 ET by sunandsteelHe sure does have a lot of support from David Duke too.
What doesn’t kill you, only makes you pissed off. -Children of Bodom
ATTN: Blonde
November 21, 2007 - 17:28 ET by MrShyFirstly, Happy Thanksgiving! :)
Secondly, I checked your profile and you have not made me your NB friend. What's up with THAT?
I'm very hurt.
I'm not being sarcastic here, either.
Really, I'm not.
Sarc is on and remains on.
:)
(btw, I added you as a friend like a week or two ago... thaty's why I'm pouting :p)
"MY end justifies THAT mean." - Shakespeare (not really)
Hey Shy
November 21, 2007 - 17:34 ET by BlondeQuit pouting...it's there.
Bliss...four days off in a row! Happy Thanksgiving to you & all my fellow NB'ers.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Blonde.... odd, I don't see
November 21, 2007 - 17:41 ET by MrShyBlonde.... odd, I don't see me listed in your Buddies list ( ? ) (which, btw, I meant buddies not friends, samantically...)
hmm.... maybe the list continues, but only shows the first 10 ??
"MY end justifies THAT mean." - Shakespeare (not really)
Exactly Shy
November 21, 2007 - 17:43 ET by BlondeFirst 10 only. Click your buddy list (under your account). It should show you that I'm logged on.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
He drew a gun...
November 21, 2007 - 17:51 ET by Crash...on paper. Shun the little monster. Quick! What's the best way to invite criminals to a city near you? BAN GUNS!
Now an excerpt from Pink Floyd's Animals, Sheep (to the slaughter):
Harmlessly passing your time in the grassland away;
Only dimly aware of a certain unease in the air.
You better watch out,
There may be dogs about
I've looked over Jordan, and I have seen
Things are not what they seem.
What do you get for pretending the danger's not real.
Meek and obedient you follow the leader
Down well trodden corridors into the valley of steel.
What a surprise!
A look of terminal shock in your eyes.
Now things are really what they seem.
No, this is no bad dream.
Bleating and babbling I fell on his neck with a scream.
Wave upon wave of demented avengers
March cheerfully out of obscurity into the dream.
Dogs
November 22, 2007 - 03:51 ET by UnsaneGREAT song from an underrated album.
But I STILL prefer "Dogs".
"You have to be trusted by the people that you lie to,
So when they turn their backs on you, you'll get the chance to put the knife in."
Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.
Dogs
November 23, 2007 - 04:32 ET by BritcomIf you get to thinkin’ you’re a person of some considerable influence, try ordering someone else’s dog around. - Cowboy Logic
Tased: 2nd Fla. Man dies in less than 48 hrs
November 21, 2007 - 18:31 ET by BritcomSomething is wrong with the Taser.
Someday it might be safe to use, but not today. A safer design needs to be invented before the thing is put into service again.
More >>
Source: News 4 Jax
the taser is just fine the way it is
November 21, 2007 - 20:50 ET by lunaticcringeradiothere is not an all perfect self defense weapon to please a liberal for every situation, for evey person, for every hour, for every minute, of every day. the best way i suggest to prevent people from being tased(don't tase me bro) is to not engage in behavior that might get you tased, whodathunk that, it is a good preventative step.
you know if my dad was an ass that the cops had to confront him and they felt a need to tase him he would probably die with his health, funny thing is my dad doesn't do thinks that will put him in those situations.
strange how behaving like a normal person prevents so many problems, but oh no lets blame objects for the results of peoples actions.
lunaticcringeradio
This is America
November 21, 2007 - 21:40 ET by BritcomWe believe in the rule of law, not street justice, and we don't just excecute suspects in the street, we arrest them and prosecute them.
There are alternatives to the Taser that work better and with less fatalities associated with them. For noncompliant but unarmed suspects, pepperspray and pepperball guns work better than the Taser. Even mace works better. If nesessary a net can be thrown over them.
All of us now know that these weapons can and do kill people, and now that we know, to continue to use them is negligent homicide.
No matter how you slice it, death by summary execution is UnAmerican.
With all due respect,
November 22, 2007 - 11:41 ET by MikeBWith all due respect, Britcom, don't be stupid. What happened was not a "summary execution". The cop used a taser instead of his service pistol. He wasn't trying to kill the idiot, he was trying to subdue him in order to arrest and prosecute.
While I don't know all of the particulars, it appears that the victim was not amenable to reason, and was combative. That is why he was tasered instead of shot. The fact is he died from an accident, not from summary execution. Geeze. Get a clue before you post.
"A communist is someone who reads Marx. An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx." Ronald Reagan
It was not an accident
November 23, 2007 - 04:23 ET by BritcomThe man is dead. He didn't get his day in court. He was killed by a weapon. The weapon was fired by an officer representing the local governmental authority. The weapon is known to be deadly. It is not known why some people die and others don't. The officer knew, or should have known, that use of the weapon could result in death. There are non-lethal alternatives to the weapon.
THEREFORE every time the weapon is used it amounts to a form of Russian Roulette. If I were a cop and if I were to put one bullet in my revolver and every time a suspect didn't comply with my order I pointed the gun at his head and pulled the trigger, when that gun finally went off and killed someone, would that not be a summary execution? ... or would you call that an "accident" as well?
**Update: Now a third man has died from a Taser in Canada. More >>
So, every time a death
November 24, 2007 - 16:41 ET by MikeBSo, every time a death occurs in an auto accident, the offending driver should be charged with first degree murder? Sorry, Britcom, but accidents and unforeseen occurence befall us all. The officer did not intend to kill the dead guy. Doodoo occurs. The taser was developed so that officers would not have to draw service revolvers or pistols because when such weapons are drawn someone frequently dies. There is no such thing as an absolutely safe weapon. The fencing foils I used to use have a plastic button on the end of the blade. The end of the blade is itself coiled back upon itself so as to be blunt. Yet, there have been accidental deaths arising from fencing matches. Were those intentional murders? Summary executions?
Once again, the reason the officer used the taser instead of his revolver or pistol was in an attempt to subdue an unreasonable and combative suspect, not to kill the suspect. An execution, whether summary or otherwise, is an intentional act. A death occuring unintentionally, even if it is brought on by an agent of a government, is not a summary execution, but an accident.
"A communist is someone who reads Marx. An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx." Ronald Reagan
Murder
November 25, 2007 - 05:42 ET by BritcomNot first degree murder, second degree murder (aka Criminally Negligent Homicide) and yes people who have had a car accident are sometimes charged with second degree murder if they were negligent.
According to Answers.com:
A summary execution is a type of extrajudicial punishment in which an accused or reported suspect of criminal activity is killed, often at the time and place of their being discovered. Summary executions may be a tactic employed by parties involved in guerrilla warfare and counterinsurgency tactics.
my guns say
November 21, 2007 - 20:43 ET by lunaticcringeradionothing because they are inanimate objects, they can't talk anymore than they can shoot someone.
lunaticcringeradio
So I'm in the gym this
November 21, 2007 - 20:44 ET by GregESo I'm in the gym this morning and tuned into one of their four choices for morning news/liberal-ticklefests. I think it was GMA that I saw reporting on Thanksgiving travel, and they caught up with a guy near his SUV, and his comment was that he was deciding whether to drive or fly but with ticket prices vs gas prices. No problem there.
They then proceed to say his trip was 1300 miles one way and he would be paying $800 in gas. Ok, so while on the treadmill, I whip out my cell phone calculator and determine that for the round trip at $3.00/gallon, he'd be getting 9.75 MPG to have to spend $800 for gas. Bump the mileage up to 15 MPG (more likely) and it drops to $519. More exaggeration for the purpose of sensationalism by our beloved media dorks.
sniper video the MSM won't show
November 21, 2007 - 21:13 ET bybecause it's our guys
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -Chief Justice John Roberts
Breaking: China blocks USS Kitty Hawk carrier from Hong Kong
November 22, 2007 - 02:01 ET by BritcomSource: Reuters
h/t Drudge
Location location location
November 22, 2007 - 03:53 ET by UnsaneWhen I toured Hong Kong not long ago, both the tour guides, as a first order of business, pointed out to us all where the PLA barracks were.
Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.
Wisdom from Korea
November 22, 2007 - 03:56 ET by UnsaneThe law is far, the fist is near. - Korean proverb