Seattle Times Blames Craigslist


The ultra-liberal Seattle Times Op-Ed's the usual 21st century media line; the world is going to hell, only journalists can save us, and everything would be fine if it weren't for that darn Craigslist.

"Media companies, especially newspapers, are by default nearly the lone agents of the democratic form of government."

That statement is actually true, if your version of the word "democratic" uses a big D as opposed to a small d. The mainstream media companies you see today is what's left of 50 years of unchallenged "Democratic" mindset. The reason these bastions of liberal thought are failing is that the Internet age has made their bias apparent to people who, thanks to the Internet age, now have other places to get the news.:

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"Reporters know that truth is fleeting, and that it changes in the palm of the hand like mercury. For just a moment, something is true. It is true because it is verifiable by other sources and true because of the checks and counterchecks that look for truth amid the haze of events... Foremost, a decent newspaper is the enemy of rumor and a citizen of its place. Blogs are not the enemy of rumor, nor is talk radio or cable television. Rumor is not the substitute for truth, and it takes journalism to sift for truth."

Actually it takes blogs, like Newsbusters, to sift for truth in newspapers because reporters know that truth is whatever they say it is. In the real world, truth is neither fleeting nor changing. But in a world where the public can call BS on a journalist with a mission, the truth probably does seem fleeting. For the record, it isn't truth when you pick your sources to agree with your premise and it isn't truth when an editor gets slapped down for merely suggesting that reporters "keep an open mind" on global warming.

"At this Times — the one here in Seattle and Washington state — the catastrophe of the optical/digital age almost caught up with us, but we are well into the age of transformation and finding ways to meld various journalism and circulation functions into a product... I see Craigslist as a negative-editorial product. Why? Because it claims the profits normally shifted to the newsroom. Without the obligations of journalism, e-commerce becomes the anti-newspaper."

What does it say about journalists that one would refer to the Internet age as a "catastrophe"? How myopic the view of this journalist to equate the public's free-speech to say or sell anything they want on Craigslist as a "negative-editorial product". How is it same moral relativist's who believe it's "a right" for all people to have "free" healthcare should also have to pay a newspaper tax to sell their own property?


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A Decent Newspaper????

I think you missed something in your wonderful statment Mithridate as I started laughing at the way this sentence was written in the paper:

Foremost, a decent newspaper is the enemy of rumor and a citizen of its place.

IF you look at that sentence it reads that the Op Ed was stating that the SEATTLE TIMES IS THE ENEMY OF RUMOR AND ENEMY OF THE CITIZEN.

I realize they are trying to state that the paper is a person too for some strange reason, but it can be quite Freudian especially since the Seattle Times is wacko as they come.

One can always bet their last dollar that if the Seattle Times was making money or gaining circulation from Craig's List and the list was causing the destruction of America......the ST would be in favor of Craig's List.

America is past Dinosaur Media..........we have entered the eon of Fossil Media. The Seattle Times is the bone pile of media.

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Whoa...there, hold on

This guy says "Reporters know that truth is fleeting"......

and then he says "Without the obligations of journalism, e-commerce becomes the anti-newspaper."

IF Truth in "Reporting news" is fleeting, it's because the anti-newspaper (E-commerce) on the Web uncovers the Truth, and  dispells the fleeting lies of the Drive by Reporter.

Liberals in the News rooms, surround themselves with themselves, and it shows.  It's a Cloistered Society of mutual admiration, and as we see here, a manufacturer of "fleeting Truth" .......

Go forth and Report lies young man (Dan Rather's legacy ?)

 

What good is a Free Press, if it is a False Press ?   David Foote  GoE

I once about 40 years ago

I once about 40 years ago had an old (he was in his 70's and still activily publishing) local newspaper reporter tell me "these new durn editors and owners we have now think the advertisements next to the funny pages are more important than the news content" he then took a couple of draws on his pipe while we fishing together and he said "I told the guy then why don't you save the paper waste for all the rest of the paper and just try to sell the advertizement section only"

At that time the paper made a profit even without any ad revenue because people read it for the quality reporting.

It sure doesn't work like that today.

 

What does it say about

What does it say about journalists that one would refer to the Internet age as a "catastrophe"?

It says to me that there are some very scared so-called journalists who do not have the power to shape the outcome of any given situation anymore.

Too bad...so sad.

Reporters and philosophy

On the one hand, we have Reality. On the other hand, we have beliefs about reality. Since the earliest philosophers, we’ve noticed that some of our beliefs about reality turned out wrong. Philosophers don’t know every cause of this yet, but we know a few. The most common cause is to allow your emotions to cloud your vision. You see what you want to see, not what’s before you. To prevent some of these wrong beliefs, we’ve learned to test them. When we submit our beliefs to a testing process, we think we’ve cut out the distortions our desires can cause. Usually we do, but testing isn’t perfect.

Funny thing about proof, however. All proofs (mathematical, scientific, logical, whatever) have the same basic structure. You inevitably take something you suspect (your hypothesis) and compare it to something you trust. But ay, there’s the rub. What do you trust? And why do you trust it? We could push this argument into deep philosophy (Rorty, Quine, Wittgenstein) but we don’t have to. We only have to ask reporters how they test their beliefs. What do they trust, and how do they compare their hypotheses to what they trust? Good reporters … and there are some out there … test their beliefs fairly. But as this website demonstrates, not all of them do. They test their beliefs only against other beliefs that are equally partisan and ideological.

Journalists fancy themselves as superior because they submit their beliefs to a process. But process is not enough. We need to test the process itself for biases and prejudices. These guys just won’t examine themselves. They feel that their editors and journalistic training are enough to prove their stories. Therefore, if their training agrees and their editors publish their stories, to them, that’s self-evident proof that the stories have no bias. They won’t admit, or even consider, that the media they use to test themselves is itself decidedly liberal.

The sea looks tilted to slanted sailors on slanted ships.

The irony is perfect

The Seattle Times's web site is downright terrible at monetizing the web space. No wonder they think the world is falling apart because of the web.

Whaaaaa...?

"...(Craigslist) claims the profits normally shifted to the newsroom."

Isn't this like saying:

"Toyota claims the profits normally shifted to GM"?

Perhaps whiny boy here needs a lesson in basic capitalism!

You're producing junk, Skippy. People are not buying. Alternatives like Craigslist are more attractive.

This 'entitlement' mentality is astonishing!

Newspapers really do deserve a long, slow, lingering death.