Former President Bill Clinton was in Chicago yesterday, speaking at a fundraiser on the subject of the current health insurance overhaul.
Somehow, some way, Clinton wound up talking about ethnic diversity, the Fort Hood murders, and – most bizarrely – the AMC network’s “Mad Men.”
Clinton began his descent with the following, quoted from Lynn Sweet’s Chicago Sun-Times blog:
Clinton mentioned the shootings at Fort Hood, Texas, and tried to tie it into a broader discussion about people of the world respecting each other's differences as he says he sees in Chicago."You have people from more than 150 different ethnic and racial groups," Clinton said. "Think about what sparked the tragedy at Fort Hood. Some of the most moving things I have read since the Fort Hood tragedy have been the comments of our Muslim veterans who were horrified by what happened and feel no one will ever trust them again."
I could write reams on the fallacies shot through that last statement.
What does this have to do with the currently proposed health insurance overhaul? Nothing that I know of, but that’s the beauty of a Bill Clinton speech – sometimes the “cavernous narcissism” takes over, and there’s no telling what you’ll get.
Which is where AMC’s perennial Emmy-winning series ‘Mad Men’ makes its entrance:
Clinton looked out at the diverse crowd and said it was different than a crowd of white men that might be seen on the TV show "Mad Men.""You ever watch that TV series 'Mad Men?' " Clinton asked. "If I keep watching this program, will I ever find a happy person? Great television. Good drama. But a lot of really painful reminders in that show about how black people were supposed to run the elevators... were supposed to ask permission before they get on an elevator. The way women were treated is appalling, and only occasionally funny to me."
It’s true – Mad Men has an all too-accurate portrayal of how minorities were demeaned in the 1960s. And it’s also true that women were treated in a way that was appalling by most present-day standards.
But of all the people to point out the bad treatment of women in the 1960s, is Bill Clinton really the right messenger? And does Lynn Sweet miss the tremendous irony, if this were a conservative? Let’s face it: Bill Clinton’s Oval Office could have been the basis for any number of the episodes of Mad Men’s misogyny.
Which still has nothing at all to do with health insurance or the proposed overhaul – but has a lot to do with Bill Clinton.



















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The Messenger
November 12, 2009 - 16:53 ET by easygoerThis from Juanita Broderick's rapist and Kathleen Willey's groper.
"Somehow, some way, Clinton
November 12, 2009 - 18:00 ET by notonmywatch"Somehow, some way, Clinton wound up talking about"
Oh yeah. BJ will talk if you'll let him.
Clinton: "there are machines that can take a picture of every one of our brains in this room"
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The link was too long I
November 12, 2009 - 18:01 ET by notonmywatchThe link was too long I think. trying again: http://ubama.org/Clinton_speech_related_by_Rush_Caller_26-03-08_'there_are_machines_that_can_take_a_picture_of_every_one_of_our_brains_in_this_room'.mp3
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Please try one more
November 12, 2009 - 18:18 ET by JerPlease try one more time.
Jer
More guts than a thanksgiving turkey......errrr he IS a turkey!!
November 13, 2009 - 10:25 ET by Patriot IIMistreatment of women....geez bubba.....get your head out of your butt!!! Maybe he recommends a cigar and an oval office for all women? what a cull!!! Next he will tell us about respect!!!! lol
How Ironic
November 12, 2009 - 16:55 ET by Gat New YorkDon Draper (lead character on Mad Men) treated women FAR better than ole Bubba did. Draper didn't have sex in his office continuously or force women to have sex with him.
It's also a fictional drama that closely represented some history.
Bubba's Oval Office actually did happen.
Did Don Draper happen to say
November 12, 2009 - 17:14 ET by motherbeltDid Don Draper happen to say on the series "you want to put some ice on that...."
As an exceptional
November 12, 2009 - 19:17 ET by Gat New YorkAs an exceptional advertising copywriter, I can assure you that Draper has no question what the word "is" is nor would he be confused about the definition of what constitutes a "sexual relation."
This is rich...
November 12, 2009 - 17:17 ET by PrairieSkyBill Clinton is worried about the treatement of women on a tv show set in the '60's? This from Bill Clinton, a man who has a lifelong track record of treating women as not much more than bedwarmers for his use??? Please....
Bill Clinton has no respect for women...He never has. His mother was a low class broad, who because of the poor choices she made during her life, certainly didn't set a good or respectful example for her son(s) about how women should be treated by men.
Clinton pontificating about the treatment of women is like Obama speechifying about deficit reduction.
"The problem is not that people are taxed too little...the problem is that government spends too much." ~President Ronald Reagan
Easy now, ace...I'm all
November 12, 2009 - 17:23 ET by Mike SargentEasy now, ace...I'm all about the Clinton bashing, but leave the guy's mother out of it. I know nothing about her, but with the exception of marrying an idiot and giving birth to one, she personally didn't do any harm to me.
Granted, the second idiot gave us the Goreacle and the revival of the fascistic Third Way, but still...leave her out of it. There's more than enough to hate about Bill.
Mike...First off...
November 12, 2009 - 17:52 ET by PrairieSkyplease don't call me "ace"...That is generally a term used when referring to a man, of which I am not.
Second, I do know about Clinton's mother, even if you don't. She was an irresponsible mother, who used to dump her sons with her parents, while she went off partying and drinking with all manner of men. Her second husband used to physically and verbally abuse both her and Clinton...she divorced him, and then, astonishingly, remarried him 3 months later. Great role model, huh? She was known to be a bit of a "tough broad", and based on how she raised her sons, it is easy to see why Clinton has little respect for women.
"The problem is not that people are taxed too little...the problem is that government spends too much." ~President Ronald Reagan
Mike's right. Lay off
November 12, 2009 - 18:30 ET by Ken ShepherdMike's right. Lay off President Clinton's mother. It's beneath us as conservatives, particularly since we believe in personal responsibility. Bill Clinton alone is responsible for his personal behavior.
Leave his deceased mother out of it.
Fair enough...That's your opinion...
November 12, 2009 - 19:00 ET by PrairieSkyand your (both) welcome to it...Likewise, I'm welcome to mine.
"The problem is not that people are taxed too little...the problem is that government spends too much." ~President Ronald Reagan
Indeed you are. But
November 12, 2009 - 19:08 ET by JerIndeed you are. But attacking someone's deceased mother is not an opinion, and Clinton's parentage is not the issue.
Jer
Jer...Sorry, but...
November 12, 2009 - 19:18 ET by PrairieSkyit is very much an opinion.
Apparently, there is an overreaction to what I said earlier. Let me make my meaning plain. I am not, in any way, letting Bill Clinton off the hook for his despicable behavior toward women. His behavior is his responsibility. However, we are all immensely influenced by what we see and are taught by our families, particularly our parents. Clinton's chaotic and unsavory upbringing no doubt played a great part in the person and man he became. That is simply my point.
"The problem is not that people are taxed too little...the problem is that government spends too much." ~President Ronald Reagan
I also partly blame the mother for rearing such a horrible son.
November 12, 2009 - 19:09 ET by pahuberI disagree with your logic Ken. I believe the parents are open to some scrutiny in child rearing.
Well then :D I didn't mean
November 12, 2009 - 21:57 ET by Mike SargentWell then :D
I didn't mean it as a gender-bound term, but if it makes you happy, I won't call you that. Would you prefer your full nickname, or just Sky?
Sounds as if she's a ruther detestable individual. But she's not the problem here; her son is. I won't begrudge you your opinion, or even your right to express it; but I would humbly ask that you focus on the real problem here.
Bill Clinton, in my estimation, has done more to destroy this country than any other President in the last fifty years. I don't have to hate his mother. The contempt I have for him is enough.
It's your call...
November 13, 2009 - 13:09 ET by PrairieSkyas to how to refer to me...PrairieSky, or Sky...Just not crazy about "ace"...
Your blog post was about the hypocrisy of Clinton's comments concerning the negative portrayal and treatment of women in Mad Men. As far as focusing on the problem, my point was simply this...This isn't about, as you said, hating his mother. It is about how we are all influenced by how we are raised and by the examples set by our parents. I believe that the way Clinton sees and treats women was and is greatly influenced by his upbringing and by the examples set by his mother (and father)...He is the man he is, particularly in regards to his relationships with women, largely as a result of his relationship with and the examples set by her. That is how his mother is relevant to this topic. That was simply my point.
As far as Clinton is concerned, we are of like minds about him. He is a loathesome person who while in office created havoc...The damage he did was wide-ranging, led directly to what happened on 9/11, and will unfortunately be felt by this country for years to come.
"The problem is not that people are taxed too little...the problem is that government spends too much." ~President Ronald Reagan
Regarding that "wide
November 13, 2009 - 14:54 ET by JerRegarding that "wide ranging, lasting damage" done by Clinton: Heard the same accusation about Carter...am hearing the same accusation about Obama...and am quite certain I will hear the same one again about the next Democratic president.
Jer
Jer...And your point is?
November 13, 2009 - 23:15 ET by PrairieSkyAre you saying that you disagree that Obama, Clinton and Carter have caused wide-ranging, lasting damage?
As far as whether the next Dem president will cause damage to the country, who knows? The same can be said for the next Repub president also. That depends on who that person is, and what their ideologies and policies are. Contrary to what you may think, I try to keep an open mind and judge each president individually, based on what I hear from them (while they campaign), and on what they do once in office.
"The problem is not that people are taxed too little...the problem is that government spends too much." ~President Ronald Reagan
Jer
November 13, 2009 - 19:15 ET by MrShyYou're roughly a generation ahead of me.
Tell me, you like this America as much (if not more... yikes, if that's the case!) than the post-WWII one?
And please, let's put aside civil rights for blacks, but just the country in general. Be it culture, the people you knew growing up, your sense of the mood of the country, etc..
Oh Good Grief!
November 12, 2009 - 17:13 ET by motherbeltYou really have to laugh at this.
Let's revise history and pretend that none of it happened....kind of like Gone With the Wind without the "N" word....just pretend they never used that term.
Well Bill thinks he can do a complete revision of his own history, so why not?
If anyone knows about poor
November 12, 2009 - 17:28 ET by mattmIf anyone knows about poor treatment of women, it's Bill Clinton.
I love that show Mad Men.
November 12, 2009 - 17:56 ET by mostlymoderateI love that show Mad Men. Surprised Clinton is still sucking up to the black voters, considering 90+% of black voters threw his wife under the bus simply because Obama was half black and she was not.
Which brings up another topic: how did Democrats treat Hillary in the primaries? How do they still treat Palin? What about Condoleeza Rice during the Bush years?
Clinton chastising anyone about how they treat women
November 12, 2009 - 17:57 ET by CO2Makeris like watching Teddy Kennedy question Clarence Thomas at the confirmation hearings.
And yes, I meant to use the word "chastise," because Clinton liked many of the women he met to be chased. <g>
"Hello, Pot? This is
November 12, 2009 - 18:34 ET by richflanj"Hello, Pot? This is Kettle...."
"Mad Men Brown"?
November 12, 2009 - 19:24 ET by Chris NormanGee, I wonder if the press is going to give Clinton the treatment they gave Dan Quayle when he criticized the single mother storyline on "Murphy Brown". As I recall, they made fun of him for confusing a television plot with real life. Then, the writers of Murphy Brown really confused TV with real life when they addressed Quayle's criticism as part of a new show plot, as if Quayle had criticized a real person for having a baby out of wedlock.
The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.
Right! I well remember that...
November 12, 2009 - 19:33 ET by PrairieSkyWhat a bizarre episode that was...The left got their panites in a twist about Quayle's criticism of a fictional character...Talk about a tempest in a teapot.
And don't count on anyone on the left taking issue with Clinton's comments...About the only place you'll hear anything about it is right here at NB.
"The problem is not that people are taxed too little...the problem is that government spends too much." ~President Ronald Reagan
Go Away
November 12, 2009 - 19:52 ET by AcoustechDoes this man know any shame...
A US president, disgraced by impeachment....yet so narcissistic ...he just
lives like nothing has ever happened.
A true piece of crap.
Dysfunctional Presidents from
November 12, 2009 - 19:55 ET by ahusserdysfunctional families seem to be a dem/lib perogative. Part of the "vetting" process they tout.
"Somehow, I told you so, just doesn't quite say it." Will Smith in 'I, Robot.'
Acous...he feels and knows
November 12, 2009 - 21:15 ET by celatorAcous...he feels and knows no shame, whatsoever.
Here's an example I've talked about before. I tell it again only to illustrate the "real" Bill Clinton.
In 2004, I was spending a few days in Cologne, Germany visiting some old friends. His book, "My Life" had just been published and he was in Germany hawking the German edition. I turned on the television one evening and low and behold there was Clinton as a guest on a television show.
The host was asking Clinton questions about the book in English, and relaying Clinton's responses to the audience in German, though I am sure most spoke enough English to understand Clinton's responses in English.
Well, Clinton was drunk as a skunk. Right there on stage. His hair was all over the place, his suit looked like he'd slept in it for a week, his answers were evasive and rambling. His words were slurred. He kept crossing his legs so that the sole of his shoe looked huge (lens effect) on television. He was slouched in his seat and looked like he might fall off the chair.
At first I thought it might be a comedy show, an SNL sort of skit with a very good Clinton impersonator. Nope. It was Clinton.
You could tell the interviewer was impatient and getting angry with Clinton's demeanor. There were a couple of boos from the live audience, as Clinton responded to the question, It was a disgraceful performance by Clinton.
The next day I visited a local bookstore near the Dom, and there was a huge display of the Clinton book. I asked the clerk in German if they were selling many of Clinton's book. Her response, "Nein, we cannot give them away."
No citizen's right to life, liberty, pursuit of happiness, or property is safe as long as Obama is President of the United States.
Acou... He lives like
November 12, 2009 - 23:03 ET by bigtimerAcou...
He lives like that because the msm has allowed it...with open arms.
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
As they will do for Obama
November 12, 2009 - 23:55 ET by mostlymoderateAs they will do for Obama after he destroy's the economy and other things.
I think using terms like "teabaggers" might not help....
November 12, 2009 - 22:45 ET by Patrick Michael...you know respecting our differences and everything? Bill Clinton is teaching us how to properly handle terrorists, how nice!!! He must have learned a lot since being President when his idea of dealing harshly with terrorists (which is now being echoed by Joe Biden) was to launch a few cruise missles act the empty desert and say "Take that!" Stay Free!!!
Ol' Bill
November 13, 2009 - 08:05 ET by AJBBill Clinton is to women's rights as Obozo is to racial rights... absolutely no connection for either.