New York Times' Tanenhaus: Bill Clinton 'The Last Conservative President'

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There is an inside joke for the veteran viewers of MSNBC’s morning show, ‘Morning Joe,’ which refers back to a time when Joe Scarborough was in a heated debate with Zbigneiw Brzezinski (Mika’s father) over the behind-the-scenes content of President Clinton’s Camp David accords.  The elder Brzezinski grew rather frustrated with being out-shouted by Scarborough, and delivered the following zinger:
“You know, you have such a stunningly superficial knowledge of what went on that it's almost embarrassing to listen to you.”
This crushing critique could also be applied to today’s appearance of the New York Times’ Sam Tanenhaus, author of 'The Death of Conservatism,' on that same show.  Tanenhaus delivered the following two opinions with an admirably straight face:
SAM TANENHAUS: Yeah, and it was interesting to go to the Clinton school and tell the audience there that the last conservative president in America was Bill Clinton. 

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In my view, which I describe in the book.  Because he’s a guy who adjusted his politics, his ideology to suit the temper of the times, and I think that’s what a real conservative does.  A pragmatic conservative.  And so he came in as this kind of, a starry-eyed Kennedy– Johnson liberal. And what does he see?  He sees that people believe in the free-market system that Reagan brought in, so he’s going to let it go.  And so he even let it go too far.
On this first charge, it is not as offensive that Clinton is counted as the last truly conservative president, as the milch-toast definition which creates that impression.  To be sure, the idea that Clinton is any sort of conservative is a ravaging of history truly worthy of the pages of the New York Times.  And while Clinton is clearly no conservative, the insanely superficial definition of conservatism used to reach this conclusion is one which assigns conservatism no greater intellectual prowess than mere populist capitulation.  This is exactly the opposite of classic American conservatism.  Conservatism, as a philosophy, is both deeper and broader than the Tanenhauses or Frums of the world would have people believe.  Tanenhaus’ working definition of conservatism, by contrast, could have been written by David Letterman.

An entire book could (and should) be written on the ways in which Tanenhaus is wrong.  Perhaps that could be Mark Levin’s next New York Times best-selling project?

And then, Tanenhaus reaches far beyond his experience:
WILLIE GEIST: The President has been blasted by some of our allies and the Republicans for that missile shield move. Where does he – how does he handle that?

TANENHAUS: Well that’s a good question.  I think one thing he has to say here is, we’re not fighting the Cold War any more. You know, Senator McCain, great figure and really is still kind of a cold warrior.  We all remember when Russia invaded Georgia, and Senator McCain, you know, during the campaign, kind of made it sound as if we’re at war with Brezhnev again.  I mean, the world has changed.  And I think President Obama will be able to say Iran is really the threat now, in the most destabilized region. Here is a way of efficiently and competently to meet them, and to show how much muscle we have, and then try to cut a deal.  I mean, that’s how you negotiate big-time global politics.
Let us count the ways in which Tanenhaus has missed the implications of the Obama administration’s most recent foreign policy capitulation.  The example of Georgia is a particularly important reminder of why, exactly, foreign policy between nation-states is an important element of national security.  According to British press, the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan pipeline, owned by BP, was attacked by Russian forces during the conflict – a pipeline which transports one million barrels of oil per day from the Caspian Sea to the Mediterranean.  It is also “the only major conduit for Central Asian resources not under Russian control.”  Lastly, for those who might not be aware of the cities for which this pipeline is named, the countries containing this pipeline are Azerbaijan, Georgia, and Turkey.  The significance of Turkey is nearly self-explanatory, but the important point is this:

The Russian supply of oil in the Middle East is heavily tilted to Iran.

Thus we see that Iran is the face of the threat – but that behind the Iranian mask, is a Russian bear.  The geopolitics of the Middle East are a great game between Russia and the United States, with a growing interest in the allegiance of China and Iran as the stakes.

And Tanenhaus gives us the spectacularly ignorant thought that “Iran is really the threat now” – and expects anyone with Google and an hour of free time to believe his assessment?

This is, in a phrase, stunningly superficial.  Tanenhaus should stick to reviewing books, and leave the geopolitics – and philosophical debates – to the professionals.

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Er, Mike, April Fool's Day was over five months ago.

:-^)

As for Clinton being "conservative," the only reason he didn't do what Obama is doing now is because the dems lost control of congress in 1994.

Thank God they did, too, as Clinton's stint as POTUS would have been almost as much of a disaster for this nation as Obama's is going to be.

-Dave

I agree with Rush. It's time for Obama to resign.

The operative word here is

The operative word here is "almost".

Let's hope that the phony Kenyan/Indonesian Marxist Boy Wizard in Chief fails miserably in his agenda because it will make what ever damage was done to our country in the Clinton years look like a picnic in comparison!

 And, yes, it is time for Obomination to resign!

Googled Taba

I googled Taba as Brzezinski said and he was right...  Clinton was going out of office and there was an Israeli election in two weeks and they both put off the talks until that was done and never got going again...

"At the closing press conference, the parties issued this joint
statement: 'The sides declare that they have never been closer to
reaching an agreement and it is thus our shared belief that the
remaining gaps could be bridged with the resumption of negotiations
following the Israeli election'."

Mike - this last bit was interesting, however.

Mike - this last bit was interesting, however.

And so he even let it go too far.

Here's how the progressive (socialist) economist Dean Baker, CEPR, summarized the financial leadership of the Clinton years:

March, 2001: "The decline in the stock market was an entirely predictable event for anyone familiar with basic arithmetic, even if the exact timing could not be known in advance. ….As a result, millions of families have seen their dreams of a secure retirement or their children's college education vanish with the stock market bubble. The level of negligence of the nation's political leaders in ignoring the stock bubble exceeds anything since the days of Herbert Hoover."

Interesting, indeed!

(:~/ gary

I saw this segment early

I saw this segment early this morning...I wished I hadn't have, clicked it soon after.

msnbc is getting to be pure comedy anymore...I don't even get that angry like I used to, the little I catch of it that is.

Yeah, Clinton's a conservative, so is McC.

...and pigs fly too.

'Go Green...Recycle Congress'

Talent

 Talent like this could be why the Times is going broke.

Wow!

And Clinton was the last black President too!

but then Clinton opposed Obama

at which point Clinton became an evil white "racist".

I once did see the Rev Jesse Lee Peterson on C-SPAN describing the attitude of political-correctness this way: in any conflict between white and a black, the black is an innocent victim and the white is a racist.

I'd vote for Rev Peterson if he ever ran for anything. He's very courageous to stand against the tide.

A quote of his: “I think we all agree that Barack Obama was elected by, mostly by black
racists and white guilty people. Most black Americans, 96 percent of
them, are racist toward white Americans. And white folks feel guilty
and they are afraid of being called racists."

And you know he gets the Uncle Tom label, of course, from the reverse-racists that rule most everything in America.

How much do you want to bet....

...on one hand Tanenhaus (German for "butt head"?) was bragging about his stock-picking savvy as his 401K and stock funds were soaring while on the other hand typing how retroactively his 20/10 vision was?

Good God has Pinch sunk the New York Times below the National Enquirer....

NYSlimes in full-blown dementia

Didn't they jump on the bandwagon to declare Bubba the first black President, early in his administration?  And didn't they also help the Hildabeest portray herself as possibly-part-Jewish during her NY senate campaign?

As for their claim:  The only Conservative President in the past 40 years was Reagan.  (And
the only Conservative Vice President in that time was Cheney.)  Bubba acted 'Conservative' only to the extent that circumstances made it opportunistic to do so.  Before the off-year election in 1994 forced him to suddenly moderate his agenda, he and PIAPS were oriented squarely to the Left.

What ever would we do without the Times?  Just a bunch of partisan, prevaricatin', race-panderin' pricks with word-processors there.

It was always my understanding that when

Former President Bill Clinton was referred to as a conservative President, they were referring to his conservative approach to sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky.

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“This party is a bunch of fools, and it is a party led by a bunch of fools.” ~ Rush Limbaugh on the Democrat Party

The last conservative

The last conservative President was Ronald Reagan, and even he made some boneheaded mistakes, such as amnesty for illegal aliens.  Of course, the Commucrats promised him if he signed onto the amnesty, they would provide funding for border security.  Reagan signed, Congress lied.

The only way Comrade Bubba could be considered a conservative would be relative to Comrade Jugears.  Honestly, even Karl Marx is conservative when compared to the Obamassiah. 

"A communist is someone who reads Marx.  An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx."  Ronald Reagan