Liz Cheney Schools WaPo's Robinson On Law Regarding CIA Ops

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Sooner or later, liberals will learn to not provoke Liz Cheney on issues of national security.

Those who watch the news for information other than the tragic death (and subsequent funeral circus) of Michael Jackson have most likely heard of the most recent round of accusations made by congressional liberals against the Central Intelligence Agency.  On the July 14 “Morning Joe,” the former vice president's daughter issued a thrashing of Washington Post columnist Eugene Robinson, who (one would guess) did not adequately prepare to argue about the laws concerning when the CIA is required to brief Congress.

Robinson first submits the following:

EUGENE ROBINSON, Washington Post columnist: Hi, Liz, how are you? I have a question. I actually have a question for Liz in a minute, but you know, look, it's inconvenient that there is a law, there is a 1947 law that requires that Congress be briefed on significant intelligence operations or activities or anticipated significant intelligent activity, so it seems to be clear that they should have been briefed. And if the Vice President told the CIA not to brief Congress then that was wrong.

That certainly sounds correct, at least on the surface – if that’s the law, that’s the law.

Except, that’s not the law:

LIZ CHENEY: With respect to the law, it's really important to look at the specific language of the law.  And the language of the law makes absolutely clear, and this is an issue that the White House and Congress have been fighting over for many years now, and frankly continue to fight over today, which is who has ultimate authority. But the law is clear.  The law says that the executive branch can make these decisions about when to brief, and they can make decisions based on concern about whether or not it's going to hurt sources and methods, and whether or not the information is going to be leaked.  And I would just point out –

MIKA BRZEZINSKI, "Morning Joe" co-host: Eugene, hold on one second. And Dan is going to chime in.

CHENEY: – and I think it's instructive, if you look at fact that these programs, this plan was kept secret for eight years, and then apparently, as soon as we briefed the Congress, now it's public. I think that tells you why there may have been concern about briefing the Congress.

As it turns out, the law doesn’t require the CIA to brief Congress in all cases.  And yet, Robinson harangues:

But you can’t have absolute discretion in the executive branch not to follow the law.  You can’t – you can’t have that.

That’s not at all what is at argument here.  The point is, Vice President Cheney did follow the law.  Whether or not the law is poorly written is another issue entirely.  In fact, Robinson comes back to this idea several times through the conversation:

ROBINSON: here is no point in having a law if the executive branch has complete discretion not to follow the law. 

CHENEY: The law gives the executive branch the right to make these decisions.

And:

ROBINSON: But the bottom line is the law is meaningless, the law is absolutely meaningless, if the executive branch can decide in all cases not to brief Congress.

CHENEY: Eugene, you’ve got to go read the language of the law. Because the law makes absolutely clear when they are concerned about sources and methods they can take that into account when they’re making decisions about briefing the Congress.

One can make an argument that the law is poorly written, if the intent is for Congress to provide oversight of the executiv branch..  But to succumb to the Kos-head argument that a.) The law is poorly written, so b.) Cheney necessarily broke the poorly written law, is intellectually dishonest – and at least in this case, didn’t work.

This isn’t even the only instance of bias Robinson showed in this segment.  Another instance of bias is manifested in Robinson’s willingness to accept the Democrats’ premise, without questioning the manner in which they presented it:

DAN SENOR, fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations: And Eugene, if they were serious questions which I believe is motivating you to be asked, it would not have been handled in the way it was handled. The House Intelligence Committee chairman issued a press release making news about this before he even alerted Republican members of the committee. I mean, this was totally structured like a political rollout. And it’s just so unbelievably hypocritical that for years, the Democrats have been demonizing the Bush/Cheney years for politicization of the intelligence community, and they are playing politics, the Democrats now, it seems, with intelligence, too. And I just think, to stew this up right now is dangerous for the reasons Liz said, and politically, an enormous distraction for the administration.

BRZEZINSKI: Eugene, your response?

ROBINSON: I don't see that as a politicalization. I see it as a separation of powers issue, and I see it as a legitimate issue, one we have visited before and will visit again.

So the chairman of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence issues a press release manufactured entirely within his caucus, without the knowledge of the Republican ranking member or any other Republican on the committee, with Rep.Eshoo becoming suddenly and inexplicably available for interviews on the subject – and that’s not a political maneuver? 

Hypothetically speaking, if it were a separation of powers issue, would you not immediately contact the ranking member of your committee and offer him the chance to publicly throw proverbial stones at the President?  If this isn’t about bashing former Vice President Cheney, why would you exclude every Republican on the committee from the opportunity to help you call for an investigation?       

Eugene Robinson engaged in a battle of wits, unarmed. ‘Twas lovely to see bias so publicly destroyed.


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Lol Mike...dang it all...I

Lol Mike...dang it all...I just spent 20 minutes or more looking for the links to the show after I talked about this earlier today on other threads and posting them both...sure glad you have it here, that's for sure.

Like I said before, it is absolutely priceless what she did with Robinson...just delicious.

Now here is the beginning of the her three segments she was on...which all should catch as well...she is a dangerous weapon that the leftists in msm will never be able to reign in...they don't have a clue.

Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart

Eugene and Liz

I don't know what happened to the video you had here, but here is the first segment with Eugene, this one was the best one anyway in my opinion, when I was goggling for it, I saw where Dkos and their ilk have it up...and of course are not happy little campers at all.

Boo-hoo...cry me a river.

He made a big fool of himself.

edit- here is the correct video...it is well worth watching..not that the one above with Robinson isn't either.

Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart

→ BT

I think your link is to an exchange that took place a couple of months ago.

CA... You are exactly

CA...

You are exactly right...and I've been trying to find the right one...and very sorry about that, although this one is good too.

I'm still looking I need to go change it in the other thread too as soon as I find the correct one...it isn't to be missed.

It is really strange that it's not all over the place.

Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart

→ No Prob, bt

I remember it because It was the interview that originally hooked me on the intelligence of Liz Cheney.

What a fine example.............

of how to raise a child Liz has grown up to be. Genetics do mean something and I would like to take this opportunity to thank Dick and Lynne for an outstanding job of raising their child to be the clean and articulate woman she is today. Where they found the time is beyond me.

More mud on the wall ...

You have to understand liberal-think.

You see, it's not the evidence that matters, but the seriousness of the charge. Remember? 

How the left continues to get away with their sloppy thinking and baseless arguments is beyond me.

metaphorsbwithu

She's Impressive

She knows what she's talking about and she doesn't back down, especially to these liberals who think they know it all.  

Palin/Cheney 2012 (or Cheney/Palin 2012)?????

Hoosier~

Palin/Cheney 2012 (or Cheney/Palin 2012)?????

I'd have to go with the Cheney/Palin 2012 option myself.  :-)

I like Liz much more than

I like Liz much more than Sarah -- right now, Liz is better at controlling the wackjobs in the media.  Observe, how Liz walks into the lyin's den (pun intended), and fearlessly tames the MSNBC beast.

I hope she runs.  For what, I really don't care - she's clearly thoughtful, articulate, and well-versed in policy.

 Also, on a completely different note, I'd like to mention that I'm watching the All-Star Game right now, and the Prez is talking to Joe Buck.  He's bloviating on how baseball is a microcosm of American greatness or some such bollocks, how he's not a Cubs-hater like other ChiSox fan, how the Phillies are all class acts...

 Baseball is not now, nor has it ever been a microcosm of anything other than, y'know, baseball.  Trust a Hawaiian point guard to say dumb stuff about baseball.

The Cubs, as George Will can attest, are superior to the Sox.  And so are their fans.  It just figures that Obama is a fan of an American league team -- home of the Designated Hitter, the ACORN of baseball.

 And just because I'm a Mets fan does not mean that I'm wrong when I say that the Phillies are whiney, cry-and-moaning girliemen.  I can't stand to hear the World Series champions complain about how they don't get their due respect, while the Mets' injury-ravaged Triple-A class team is only 6.5 games behind them with only one friggin' decent starting pitcher.  Here's a quarter, call someone who cares, you crybabies.

Baseball is a game that kids play for fun

Baseball is a game that kids play for fun. Anything after that is a business that adults do for money.

Heh...I should probably

Heh...I should probably point out, upon reflection, that my Mets-fandom probably makes me biased.

 How unbelievably ironic, that a bias-pointer like me has to catch himself being biased against the Phillies *grin*

Who is whining?

I only hear whining from you, Mike. =)

As to the Phillies, I think the word is more correctly spelled WINNING!

Hey, everyone should be able to gloat once every 28 years or so ... except for the Cubs, they can wait another 100+ as far as I'm concerned.

Cheney, yes; Palin, no...not yet.

I like Palin; I was not excited about McCain until it became McCain/Palin, but I don't think she'd be a good match for Liz. I think Liz's calm, well spoken, and extremely well informed debates would be too sharp a contrast to Palin's more animated, homey style; providing even more fodder for the press (it that's even possible). I'd like to see Palin build on her credibility in the Senate first.

 I'd vote for Liz, hands down, but don't know who would be a solid VP running mate for her.

Briefing of Congresscritters Aside . . .

Does anybody outside of DC and the media actually think we weren't actively trying to capture/kill al-Qaeda and Taliban members for the last 8 years? This is somehow news, and a revelation to Congress? What's next? Insisting that the CIA brief Congress when they turn the office lights on in the morning?

At what point do the left's lies of omission rise to the point where they are actually denounced as lies? Why do they not get called on it every time they leave out key details, inverting the meaning?

Kudos to Cheney for knowing the actual language and intent of the law, and her fine job of bi+(#-slapping this so-called reporter with facts.

 

Stop Funding Leftist Propaganda - Boycott GE & Disney

Cool and others...here is

Cool and others...here is the right one...I cannot believe how some of this was no longer at other places...

Anyway, this is rich, it is well worth every second of it.

This better click on the right one.

You cannot believe what Robinson thinks at the expense of the security of the US, CIA all for Pelosi and dems.

I'm not saying anymore...you just have to watch.

Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart

→ Excellent bt!

Is it just me, or is Eugene Robinson the voice of Marvin (you are making me very angry Earthling) the Martian?

She backed him so far into the corner he was begging for his woobie.

Y'know, I always associated

Y'know, I always associated him with Kermit the Frog's gravelly-sounding father.

 But Marvin is way better...

Did you notice @ the 3 minute mark..........

the heads-up Liz received on the 1947 law (I'm assumming) on her blackberry or whatever? Wonder who was on the other end?

The lug nuts are just beginning

to loosen, folks.  The wheels will eventually come off.  As the economy continues to slide and the deficit continues to increase along with higher taxes and the realization hits home that BOH is an empty vessel (a telepromptor reading idiot savant of sorts), the attacks on the previous administration will become more and more hysterical. You will be able to measure the ineptitude of this administration and the Democrat Congress by how strident and insistent they become looking back to Bush and Cheney.  It's easy to be a critic, somewhat more difficult to actually perform.  

 

 

"I think you'd better call John, 'cause it don't look they're here to deliver...the mail". -NY 

I'm Optimistic

Do you all really think all of this liberal doublespeak, taxing and spending (and more spending), and broken campaign promises will lead to some sort of voter revolt in 2010? The arrogance of these democrats is what is most astounding to me.  

I am hoping those who were swept up by BO's marketing campaign last year are starting to see the error of their ways.  

Do any of you think voter fraud will play a role again in 2010?  

Hope and Change in 2010 AND 2012.   


Voter fraud =

ACORN. Be vigilant and skeptical of all policies being put in place now that are for their empowerment during future elections.

So when Obama & Clinton okay Bin Laden's kill, that's okay?

Bill Clinton in an interview with Chris Wallace, Fox, 2006.

"I authorized the CIA to get groups together to try to kill (Bin Laden."

Now... did he "brief" Congress on this program to assassinate a foreign national on foreign soil?

Thursday, January 15, 2009
In an interview with Katie Couric, President-elect Barack Obama said that his goal is to...

 "capture or kill Osama Bin Laden."

Mmmm, who has he tasked with his plan to assassinate a foreign national on foreign soil? The CIA, perhaps?

But hang on, President Obama said that was his goal, and now his CIA Director has just cancelled a program that never existed with the goal of assassinating Bin Laden.

Gosh, this is all so confusing. Surely the Democrats would never play politics with American lives would they?

Obama Lied... Jobs Died.

You Can't Make This Stuff Up

As previously indicated, this is the second time in the last couple of months that Liz Cheney has taken Mr. Robinson to the wood shed for lack of preparation.  If you're going to argue for or against a law, know what the law reads.  The only thing that could beat this is if Chris Matthews was representing the other side; we then would have seen him get a kick in the b. . . . rather than a tingle up his leg which would have been priceless.

Ms Cheney

is becoming a powerful figure in national politics. 

 My concern is that as she becomes more visible to the loonys on the left, she will be attacked similar to Pailn.

As the new leaders emerge for the conservativss, I hope she is out front.

→ Patriot

Did you hear the rumor?

She's got five kids.  Wait for it . . . .

All by the same husband (to whom she is still married).

Scandalous!!!

Scandalous indeed...I love

Scandalous indeed...I love it myself CA.

Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart

Difference is she can

Difference is she can handle the msm, she's proved it time after time, believe me, they've tried their best to get her.

Nope...it's not going to work with her, of course they would do their usual BS, but she's too witty for them...to quick...and they can't dispute her one on one.

No offense to Palin, because I have defended her against the msm pile on on the time, especially when it comes to her kids.

Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart

Must read

http://www.intellige...

Gives broad authority to the POTUS on what information can be released

Here is the language the key word is covert

REPORTING OF
INTELLIGENCE ACTIVITIES OTHER THAN COVERT ACTIONS

SEC. 502. [50 U.S.C. 413a] To
the extent consistent with due regard for the protection from unauthorized disclosure of
classified information relating to sensitive intelligence sources and methods or other
exceptionally sensitive matters, the Director of Central Intelligence and the heads of all
departments, agencies, and other entities of the United States Government involved in
intelligence activities shall -

       (1)
keep the congressional intelligence committees fully and currently informed of all
intelligence activities, other than a covert action (as defined in section 503(e)), which
are the responsibility of, are engaged in by, or are carried out for or on behalf of, any
department, agency, or entity of the United States Government, including any significant
anticipated intelligence activity and any significant intelligence failure; and

       (2)
furnish the congressional intelligence committees any information or material concerning
intelligence activities, other than covert actions, which is within their custody or
control, and which is requested by either of the congressional intelligence committees in
order to carry out its authorized responsibilities.

This debate was not fair, darn.

This was obviously an unfair “debate”. Liz Cheney vs. X, whoever X might be? I realize Eugene Robinson frequently struggles with words and their relationship to speaking but goodness; do we now need a Debate Affirmative Action program to attempt to balance things out? You know, something like thirty minutes for Mr. Robinson’s comments and 30 seconds for Liz Cheney’s?

zach... Did you watch the

zach...

Did you watch the links I have above?

If you did, it was a pretty well handled back and forth regarding time, and one thing about it, Liz makes sure of that...she's got an instinctive cunning way to do so, it's called polite class...facts, and the truth when she speaks.

She get's it from her parents.

Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart

Yes, I did.

Yes I did and thanks for the link. You can tell by her delivery and cogent comments her Daddy taught her well. Ms. Cheney has a debate quality that’s hard to come by in today’s political world and in particular on GE’s network. I suspect she’s just punching her ticket for now and will become a major political player over the next decade.

I don't think it has nearly

I don't think it has nearly as much to do with daddy teaching her as it does the fact that she is clearly brilliant in her own right.  This isn't a very complicated debate, but she still handled herself extremely well.  That's not Daddy speaking, that's all Liz.

I'm a fan.

B/T, thanks for the link

Love listening to Liz just eviserate these cluless Libs. Another favorite of mine is Jeri Thompson. These morons come after her as some sort of trophy wife (okay, she is good for the eyes) and she takes them to task. I believe she and Liz were on Fox (Hannity maybe?) during the election for commentary ... a great 1 2 punch. A good example b slapping Colmes.

"You should always tell the truth, because if you tell the truth you make it the other person's problem." Sean Connery

Zach & IJF... You're more

Zach & IJF...

You're more than welcome...I hope others watch too.

She's a diamond in the rough...and boy does she shine already.

They (the msm) cannot handle her, I've watched her exchanges from way back now...and have posted as such here and there from the beginning....she is one in a million in my opinion...she could take anybody on in a debate...from O on down.

Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart

Good greif these guys are thick

ROBINSON: But the bottom line is the law is meaningless, the law is
absolutely meaningless, if the executive branch can decide in all cases
not to brief Congress.

 This almost suggest that the executive branch cannot have a though of their own with out consulting Congress. Pretty damd funny considering what this executive branch has been doing. 

My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

Can Liz Cheney move to Florida?

Let Liz move to Florida and run for the Senate.  I'd vote for her in a heartbeat.  Right now, we have to hope that Marco Rubio can beat out Charlie Crist and it's a longshot at best.  There are too many squishy Republicans in Florida right now, wanting to win and not worried about the Conservative credentials of the candidate.  Sending Crist to Washington would be like bring Specter back to the Republican fold.   

Election 2008-God's way of showing us that elections count.  

pb... You got that

pb...

You got that right...I have been so disgusted with Cornyn too regarding this all....and elsewhere in the country with the RNC support for various congress-critters...do they never learn?

Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart

OMG...that piece of work

OMG...that piece of work Robinson is on a repeat of Olbie's show doing his best to regain his manhood that Liz Cheney eviscerated this morning.

Poor baby, didn't work...besides that, going on Thumbtacks show wasn't going to help him that way to begin with.

Talk about two whining wussies...

The blind...leading the blind.

Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart

robinson

ignorance of the law, hell ignorance in general, the handmaiden and basis for most liberal "thought", such as it is.

Liz Cheney is good...

very good.  Jim Webster

typical progressive-

ignore the law-make up your own law-make it fit. Hate for America by the progressives clouds reason.Vote for things you have not read or understood-So very typical

BHO-  THE PROGRESSIVE PIRATE

 

 

 

Given what a bunch of leaking, lying scumbags

many of the Democratic Congress members are,  it's hard to believe that the intelligence community would want to tell them about anything classified.

This is too funny

Unofficial spokesman for the person who refuses to produce a long form birth certificate raising serious and complicated questions regariding the very legality of holding his present office of POTUS using "the law" as his argument to villianize Cheney?   You've got to be kidding me.

Not to mention the dozen plus czars the won has appointed, his takeover of a major automobile manufacturer, his takeover of dozens of financial institutions and on and on.  Show me "the law" that permits any/all of the above Robinson.  Then you can lecture me about issues of law.

I Love Liz

and is she should run for president I'd love it.

SOBama and the Left won't know what hit them.

I would trust her with the life of our country.