CNN Smears 'Right Wing' As Nazis


**UPDATE ADDED BELOW!**

 Recycling the mid-1990s liberal smear campaign against grassroots conservatism, CNN has posted an article on the new DHS threat report complete with a Getty Images photo (shown at right) of neo-Nazi and white supremacist flags.

If the report were about Nazi extremists, that picture would be warranted. However, the DHS report warns against an amorphous “right-wing extremism,” failing to mention by name any particular threatening group or intelligence of any planned attacks.

The DHS report did cite returning war veterans as at-risk for recruitment by right-wing extremist groups. It seems strange to think that those men and women who risked their lives to protect this country and their government could be or become Nazis, but that seems to be the implication.

Moreover, one wonders where exactly the CNN report on the other extremism report was.

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A similar report, on left-wing extremism and entitled “Leftwing Extremists Likely to Increase Use of Cyber Attacks over the Coming Decade,” received the attention of exactly zero media outlets since its release. The AP today reports that this document was released in February, although it is unclear when media outlets received it.

In point of fact, the non-classified version was published on January 26 and cited several liberal extremist groups by name, as potential security threats:

Environmental extremists:

• The Animal Liberation Front
• The Earth Liberation Front
• Stop Huntington Animal Cruelty
• Chapters within the Animal Defense League
• Earth First

Anarchic extremists:

• Entities within Crimethinc
• Ruckus Society
• Recreate 68

Which organizations does the DHS report on right-wing extremism name?

Well...none, actually.

What threats do these two sides pose? The right-wing side is alleged to be recruiting former members of the military (a la Timothy McVeigh) for their expertise in tactical warfare and explosives. The left-wing side is alleged to be recruiting cyber-warfare experts for the purpose of destroying large corporations through the application of cyber-terrorism. Targets include Huntington Life Sciences, Wachovia Bank, Staples Office Supply (really?!), and assorted financial and investment firms.

So on the one hand, we have anarchists and environmental extremists listed by name, whose express purpose is to destroy productive corporations through cyber-terrorism – and zero reports until today's AP wire story.

On the other, we have a leaked report which names zero particular right-wing organizations, and zero potential victims of said organizations, yet there’s a media firestorm. It could possibly be that this line of thinking is caused by right-wing paranoia. Or, it could be that the media, with CNN as a shining example, is utterly biased. Yeah, I’m going with the latter.

**UPDATE** 

Jack "The Hack" Cafferty has recyled the same Nazi picture to bash conservatives on his CNN blog.  But there is an interesting new development, found in this quote:

Meanwhile at least one conservative radio talk show host suggests that this report is meant to step on free speech and First Amendment Rights — which the Department of Homeland Security denies. It’s probably worth pointing out that the Obama administration also issued a warning about left-wing extremists in January.

It's probably also worth pointing out that nobody reported anything on that warning until yesterday (April 15th, 2009).  Nobody could possibly know which newsrooms got that report and when, but the question still remains:  Why is the media fascinated with amorphous "right-wing extremists" when there are clear and present dangers named in the other report?


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Right, that's the ticket!

Right, that's the ticket! I suppose that since that's what we are, we'll just be forced to take all of their names for future reference. 

CNN's a joke

They're just so stupid...this is why Fox is killing CNN, MSNBC combined in the ratings race.  Just garbage.

And if you want to send a tea bag postcard to Obama, Biden, Pelosi, and Reid, just go to this site.  http://teaparty.gop.com/default.aspx

I just did, it's super easy, just point and click...it's sponsored by the GOP. 

don't cha know...

One must wonder why these people are in business. They obviously don't understand the names they're calling people. Nazis are facists. Facists, like Communists, dictatorships, socialists and most liberals, believe in an all-powerful government. Republicans, at least the ones I know of, believe in small government. So on a continum, if extreme left is total dictatorship, the the far right is total anarchy (absence of all government). Obviously, most conservatives don't want anarchy and are in favor of some form of limited government, hence, we're to the right. Liberals want lots of government, hence they're to the left.

Time for CNN to go...

What happened to ACORN, The

What happened to ACORN, The New Black Panthers and many others.  But these would be top on my list.

Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.

Of the 72 million men and

Of the 72 million men and women who have served our country in uniform in war time, the left always runs out McVeigh.

McVeigh hated our form of government.  He was an atheist. Hated all forms of religion, especially Christianity.  Frankly, he would pass the test as a leftwinger.  Fact is, he was as left as any Nazi.  And they were dyed in the wool leftists.

Just because the Communist have pulled a historical slight of hand and convinced the non-thinking part of the world that the Nazis were right wing, doesn't mean we have to fall into the same trap as their fellow travelers did.  McVeigh was, and remained completely leftwing.

Come, brethren...

...let us reason together.

The reason that Nazis get pegged as being rightwingers, I think, is their penchants for militarism, anti-immigrant sentiment, and anti-communist viewpoints.  So let's do a bit of thinking about that.

Traditional conservatism dictates that military force be used only when attacked or under imminent threat (not the same as pre-emption, please don't blast me without reading first...).  The Nazis...well, ask the French.

Traditional conservatism loves immigrants.  We require these immigrants to follow every law that everyone else lives under; and, in addition, we require that they follow the legal method of entering into our country.  If they do those things, they are always welcome in America.

Traditional conservatism is, somewhat like Nazism, opposed to communism as a practical method of governance.  Can somebody tell me why that might be a bad thing?  Whittaker Chambers dedicated the second half of his life to the destruction of communism...believing that he was on the side that would eventually lose the fight.

Think about that.

Whittaker Chambers chose to join what he thought was the losing side.  I don't think that's the behavior of a dishonorable man, or of a man motivated by dishonorable philosophy, do you?

Absolutely. It is leftover communist propaganda.

Placing Hitler on the right is leftover propaganda from when Stalin and Hitler split.

The left still loves this bit of propaganda because it allows them balance. There was bad guys on both the left and the right see, so the left can't be all bad, now can it?

No. All the nasty little critters that plagued planet earth came out of the left. So stop the propaganda.

Sincerely,

a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.

PETA has also caused some

PETA has also caused some problems for laboratories (although, surely nothing like ALF which has ruined translational research in some parts of the country eg California).  It's crazy that the government doesn't crack down on those terrorists since they are destroying the work of government grant money.

The following are established organazions with worthy causes..

• The Animal Liberation Front
• The Earth Liberation Front
• Stop Huntington Animal Cruelty
• Chapters within the Animal Defense League
• Earth First

Us rabel rousers are just out to derail the Dear Leaders agenda that is meant to help us all.
 

 

"I need more cowbell!" SNL

Mike....."failing to

Mike....."failing to mention by name any particular threatening group or intelligence of any planned attacks."

And, in fact, they note in their Number One Key Finding that they have NO evidence at all that "rightwing terrorists" are planning acts of violence. So it makes you wonder what the backstory of the release of the report is all about. 

No citizen's right to life, liberty, pursuit of happiness, or property is safe as long as Obama is President of the United States.

NAZI

TotalKaosDave

From Dissecting Leftism:   The Big Lie of the late 20th century was that Nazism was Rightist. It was in fact typical of the Leftism
of its day. It was only to the Right of Stalin's Communism. The very
word "Nazi" is a German abbreviation for "National Socialist" (Nationalsozialist) and the full name of Hitler's political party (translated) was "The National Socialist German Workers' Party" (In German: Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei)

Dave, you are correct. I

Dave, you are correct. I have been beating that drum for quite some time.  As I stated in an earlier post here, that the Commies (with the help of people like Walter Winchell, magazines like The Nation with Thomas) have pulled a historical slight of hand.  Convincing non-questioning people that the Nazi's were right, when clearly they were left, and they were damn proud of being left.

They started kindergarten to inculcate childern as soon as they could with state thinking.  Socialized medicine, exercise as a "religion", organic foods, non-smoking, love of animals in terms of being vegan, love of forest to preserve them, and so on.  Does this sound like any group of people in the U.S.?

How original of them. 

How original of them.  Nobody ever uses a Nazi comparison.  Maybe they'll win a Pulitzer for being so original.  After all nobody should ever fear left wing extremism.  I mean who cares about the left wingers involved with the Cultural Revolution in China.  Those left wingers were all just a bunch of swell guys.  The Gang of Four were left wing swell people and weren't extremists, and nobody should fear left wing extremists.

http://www.fortunecity.com/victorian/riley/787/China/Cultural/Cultural.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gang_of_Four

And how about the left wing Communists treatment of the kulaks.  Well again nobody should be fearful of the left wing Communists becasue they also are a bunch of swell guys.  From the link below.

"About one million kulak households (some five million people) were deported and never heard from again. Forced collectivization of the remaining peasants, which was often fiercely resisted, resulted in a disastrous disruption of agricultural productivity and a catastrophic famine in 1932-33. Although the First Five-Year Plan called for the collectivization of only twenty percent of peasant households, by 1940 approximately ninety-seven percent of all peasant households had been collectivized and private ownership of property almost entirely eliminated. Forced collectivization helped achieve Stalin's goal of rapid industrialization, but the human costs were incalculable."

 http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/archives/coll.html

 

http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/archives/ad2kulak.html

http://www.historyplace.com/worldhistory/genocide/stalin.htm

 And the left wing Khmer Rouge extremists.  Well again, you don't need to be fearful of people like that I guess.

 

 

Are you serious?  Does CNN

Are you serious?  Does CNN realize the ramifications of this accusation?

This is no longer just about telling the American public that the conservatives are just a little wacky--this is saying they can be compared to one of the most heinous slaughter machines in the world's history.

Too far, CNN, too far.  You've crossed the line.  If I were in NYC, I would go to your building and piss on your front doors.

 

Don't be so scared of the word Militia.  One day, it just might save your life.

demonizing enemies

They are just doing what socialoists always must do to avert the attention of the masses from their own problems, demonize an enemy. Don't look at what massive deficit spending will do to your pocketbook in a year or two, look at those awful evil people over there instead.

 

The Rise of Tyranny

Funny but that symbol in the

Funny but that symbol in the picture belonged to a group of SOCIALISTS-LEFTISTS, not CONSERVATIVE CONSTITUTIONALISTS. And since the leftists are courting ISLAMOFASCISTS, I wonder why CommieNoNews Channel is running that libelous photo? Why you'd think that being the fair and balanced station they are, that when Nancy Pelousy was on they'd have the Red Flag behind her and her fellow dems?

We're all right wing extremists now

Yeah Clinton try to make everyone believe that Rush was evil and the right are all extremists. I don't know of any 'right' group doing the evil things the left does and applauds. It's like it was with Big Brother, words have a totally different meaning to the left. Kill means good, don't kill means bad. Simple. The right is basically pro life and pro American Republic as our founders created. You know freedom and liberty and all of that good stuff. The left sees this as EVILLL! If the right ever gets back in power it will have to create a special program for these poor souls. It will have to include a lot of deprogramming, at government expense, using that very torturous weapon...a dictionary. And we will have to gently guide them back in from island forest of The Lord of the Flies.
It's All Dirty Politics

Correct me if I'm Wrong but

Aren't the Nazis the National SOCIALIST Workers Party?

You know Tom...

I believe you are right...

Funny old thing, ain't it?

 

I looked it up. Hitler came up with the name in...

1920.  He called it the National Socialist German Workers Party. (NSDAP)  Obama is a Socialist.  As he wrests more and more power from the American people, we will see whether or not he is also a Nazi, which is an extreme form of Socialism.  I suspect he is.  Jim Webster

THE FATHERLAND...

jawebster1,

You are correct. National socialism is all about the state taking over private industries. The banking system, the auto industry, in many places, the energy sector, it's all about nationalized/socialized/gov't run state industries.

The last time a head of state ran an auto company was what, Hitler & VW? We now have our gov't running GM, more or less. This is a leftist thing, not a right wing thing.

 

"The Fairness Doctrine = Jim Crow laws for Conservatives".  Jim Quinn from "Quinn & Rose"

Now guys...

I don't think Obama is a Nazi.  Besides, he would've been deported or worse, under Nazi Germany - I think that is in no danger of happening here (thankfully...)

beware using the word "militia"

I began my college and "activist' career under Clinton and Reno. "Militia" was used in all major media outlets as a code word for "white supremacist". It was okay to infiltrate churches and all these groups, some of this done by non-elected "ADL" members. Not sure where the Anti Defamation League fits into the law enforcement chain of command....

Groups were spied on, broken down, tailed-all for simply wanting to be independent of Government and not trusting them. In the Pacific Northwest, a large portion of members, a majority in some cases, were not "white" but either full-blood Tribal or Reservation members. One of the first "online" militia groups, targetted under fledgeling "hate speech" and "internet security" policies and laws, was created and maintained by a young "african" American guy out of UW. So much for "white supremacist", eh?

Course you also got plenty of movies from Hollywood either insulting and attacking "survivalists" as racist, murderous backwoods hillbillies, or making fun of them in movies like Robin Williams' "The Survivors". Newspaper comics (like "Bloom County") made constant ridicule references towards anyone willing to be independent, be willing to defend themselves, and not trusting the government to do the right thing. 

Kind of like what is going on now. For over eight years, we were told that the government was evil, and that resisting its policies and culture was "patriotic". But now,  see the ridicule towards the "TEA parties" (going to one tonight) and the gearing up of hostile intervention that CNN is glorifying.

 Mark my words. there *will* be a Ruby Ridge/Waco incident under this "new" Administration. Probably on the second term of this current puppet. 

 

"to call an illegal immigrant an "undocumented alien" is like calling a streetcorner drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist".

"You spend your money anyway you want and respect other's rights to do the same"

Nazi is short for National SOCIALIST Party...

so it is ironic that the Liberals favorite derogatory term for Conservatives is "Nazi".  That would be like the two Janets, Napolitano and Reno calling a beautiful Conservative woman (choose one, we have many) ugly.  Jim Webster

ha!

well that didn't take long did it.  Has it been 24 hrs yet... *looks at watch*

Leave it to the left to

Leave it to the left to continue to try to rewrite history.  The NAZI party was a left wing SOCIALIST party run by a murdering thug who was a punk compared to the murdering communist thugs, Stalin and Mao.   

But, hey, isn't that why CNN - the Communist News Network - is losing viewers as fast as the putrid air escaping from the gas bag that wrote this article?  

Very True

The international socialist movement in the Soviet Union and the West made a concerted effort in the late thirties and forties to label the Nazis as right-wing, first because they attacked the Soviet Union, and second because their antisemitic policies turned off too many in the rest of the world. The best way to dissociate themselves from the Nazi movement was to relabel it.

Liberals often get away with this because they have a hold on the media and on history writers. It's not unlike the relabeling of the democratic party as the party of  civil rights, when in fact for most of the party history they were the racist party.

The Left was also very good....

....at excusing Soviet Russia for it's non-aggression agreement with Hitler which resulted in Poland being partitioned between Germany and the Soviet Union, and which allowed Hitler not to worry about his eastern front while he worked to destroy the democracies in the west.  I wonder how many of today's college history students are aware of that little tidbit?

They were also very good at putting the blame for the Katyn Forest massacre on the Nazis when it fact it was Uncle Joe who had the 22,000 or so Polish officers and intelletuals murdered in order to weaken anti-communist forces in Poland.

But what are historical facts to the Left?

Well, if correcting the

Well, if correcting the fables of right-wing revisionists qualifies as rewriting history, perhaps you have a point.  Otherwise, you don't.

Jer 

Ha ha Jer, you make everything up.

"Well, if correcting the fables of right-wing revisionists qualifies as rewriting history, perhaps you have a point."

Not correcting.  Just making it all up. 

Not making anything up,

Not making anything up, pahuber.  But you're certainly entitled to interpret history however you wish.

Jer

Uncle Jer has his cake and eats it too.

Hitler and Stalin, 2 socialists, had a falling out and went to war. Stalin started the propaganda that Hitler was a right winger to gain sympathy from his fellow socialists. Eventually, all of socialism fell on the ash heap of history. It is all listed as a failed type of government.

 Somewhere, somebody along the line, still loving socialism, passes along the propaganda to Uncle Jer. Uncle Jer continues to propagate propaganda as fact because he read it somewhere or some college perfessor that Uncle Jer had a crush on repeated it.

Did I get the timeline right?

Also whyfor did I not get an answer to this?

Please Uncle Jer, You are giving me a headache.

April 11, 2009 - 01:35 ET by JWF  

 Would you guys be offended if I were to describe a rally organized by the American Nazi Party as a gathering of "conservatives".

My Contention - The Nazi Party is a socialist organization.

My Evidence  I provided you the NAME of the Party as translated. I provided you the Parties  points from the Nazi Parties PLATFORM. Mr. Sheppard provided you with a link that placed the Nazi party on the LEFT.

Your new contention - German Nazism comprised elements of the economic left and the socio/political right

  They were all things to all people now? They were right but they were left but they were right but now left no right no left.

 I am getting a headache!

Fallacious argument - Internal Contradiction. Saying two contradictory things in the same statement.

 Either drop the argument that Nazi's are on the right with conservatives OR drop the argument that Nazis are all things to all people.

_______________________________________

I don't want to cloud the bolded statement above but this is also a fallacious argument.

Find me one member of the American Nazi Party who describes himself... 

Just because I describe myself as a monkey poo covered toadstool DOES NOT MAKE me a monkey poo covered toadstool.  

Sincerely,

a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars

Adolf Hitler disagrees with Uncle Jer.

[Adolf Hitler on Nazism and socialism:] “Each activity and each need of the individual will thereby be regulated by the party as the representative of the general good. There will be no license, no free space, in which the individual belongs to himself. This is Socialism—not such trifles as the private possession of the means of production. Of what importance is that if I range men firmly within a discipline they cannot escape? Let them then own land or factories as much as they please. The decisive factor is that the State, through the party, is supreme over them, regardless whether they are owners or workers. All that, you see, is unessential. Our Socialism goes far deeper . . . .

Are you sure...

.. that you didn't get that from the DNC website? I smell a rat. 

"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason

Businessmen in Nazi Germany disagree with Uncle Jer

Through the agency of three new guilds (the Food Estate, the Estate of Trade and Industry, and the Labor Front), the government assumed control of every group of producers and consumers in the country. In accordance with the method of “German socialism,” the facade of a market economy was retained. All prices, wages, and interest rates, however, were “fixed by the central authority. They [were] prices, wages, and interest rates in appearance only; in reality they [were] merely determinations of quantity relations in the government’s orders . . . . This is socialism in the outward guise of capitalism.” The nation’s businessmen retained the responsibility to produce and suffered the losses attendant on failure. The state determined the purpose and conditions of their production, and reaped the benefits; directly or indirectly, it expropriated all profits. “The time is past,” explained the Nazi Minister of Economics, “when the notion of economic self-seeking and unrestricted use of profits made can be allowed to dominate . . . . The economic system must serve the nation.”

 “What a dummkopf I was!” cried steel baron Fritz Thyssen, an early Nazi supporter, who fled the country.

 . . . As to Hitler’s pledges to the poorer groups: the Republic’s social insurance budgets were greatly increased, and a variety of welfare funds, programs, agencies, and policies were introduced or expanded, including special provisions for such items as unemployment relief, workmen’s compensation, health insurance, pensions, Winter Help campaigns for the destitute, the Reich Mothers’ Service for indigent mothers and children, and the National Socialist People’s Welfare organization.

 -- Leonard Peikoff, The Ominous Parallels, 230.

Hell, the Nazi's disagree with Uncle Jer.

But the Nazis defended their policies, and the country did not rebel; it accepted the Nazi argument. Selfish individuals may be unhappy, the Nazis said, but what we have established in Germany is the ideal system, socialism. In its Nazi usage this term is not restricted to a theory of economics; it is to be understood in a fundamental sense. “Socialism” for the Nazis denotes the principle of collectivism as such and its corollary, statism—in every field of human action, including but not limited to economics.

Leonard Peikoff, The Ominous Parallels, 19.

Come on Uncle Jer. Tell us again what is your source?

Uncle Jer: It is well known...
Uncle Jer: Everyone knows...
Uncle Jer: It has be widely established....

okay then Jer

Lefties in America constantly compare the right to Nazis. Let's take a look:

-The Nazi party began as the German Workers' Party. The word "nazi" was short for nationilization. 

-Mein Kampf preached a doctrine of social Darwinism wherein weak people were eliminated, which paved the way for scientific justification of the Aryan race.

-Positive Christianity preached that Jesus was white guy who engaged in social revolution during his time on earth. The German government used it to appear tolerant of religion and manipulate religious emotion into national loyalty.

 

Why is it revisionism to assert that the Nazis had nothing to do with right wing Americans? 

 

candance...After World

candance...

After World War I, Hitler worked on behalf of the German military to infiltrate left-wing orgainizations.  One of these putative leftist groups was the German Workers Party which Hitler soon discovered was actually right-wing in its political orientation.  The German Workers Party later morphed into the National Socialists Workers Party [Nazi] which was anti-leftist, virulently anti-communist, and supported by businessmen and wealthy industrialists during Hitler's rise to eventual totalitarian rule.  As I have frequently noted, there are indeed some economic components of Nazism which parallel leftist statism.  But the claim that Nazism was fundanmentally leftist or liberal is ludicrous. 

There is a persistent hypothesis being promulgated at NewsBusteres.  Everything "evil" is liberal.  Every dictator is or was a liberal.  Every anti-democratic authoritarian government was or is liberal.  Every racist has been or is a Democrat.  Everything anti-American is liberal or a tenet of the Democratic party.  It's becoming tiresome.

Jer

cmon Jer

They saw communism as a threat to their particular brand of control. Hardly means they were capitalist libertarians. Wealthy businessmen supported them? Guess that means MediaMatters is a right wing group since George Soros supports them. And I guess Obama is right wing too since David Geffen, Russell Simmons and Oprah Winfrey all endorsed him.

I'm not trying to make the claim that Nazis were leftist in every way. Most political compasses put them toward the center overall. And yet schools and the media here in America constantly call them right wing, constantly compare them to the GOP, constantly insinuate that people like Rush would have been on the Nazi's side.

I know that governmnent control comes in all stripes. European feudalism is a good example, as is the modern Russian government lowering taxes to boost their economy. But when we talk about the most famous dictators (Stalin, Hiter, Mao, Chavez, etc) it's absurd to paint these guys as capitalists.

 

Read the NB threads, candance.

Read the NB threads, candance.  Liberals and Democrats are referred to as nazis, communists, socialists, fascists, racists, anti-American, you name the evil and that's what we're called.

Finally, show me where anyone has painted Hitler, Stalin, et al as "capitalists".

Jer

wait...

You mean communism and socialism are not lefty ideas? You mean when Maxine Waters threatened to nationalize the oil industry and her Democrat constituents said nothing, that was not a symptom of socialism? You mean when Hillary Clinton said capitalism has failed and no one was alarmed by that, it wasn't a sign of government control to follow? When lefties cheered Obama for suggesting compulsory community service, that didn't sound like communism? You mean when police in Mossouri hassled someone for having right wing bumper stickers, and lefties said nothing, that wasn't a sign of fascism?

Homeland Security says I might be an anti government extremist for protesting - and lefties shrug - and that doesn't sound dangerous to you?

So let's recap...libs in America go along with government control of GM, government hassling right wing people, government preparing to control health care, government limiting how much energy we can use,  and government handing paychecks to the masses that they've taken from millionaires....and you are sitting here telling me that doesn't sound like communism.

The American right is a patchwork of a lot of different people, religious folks and atheists, social conservies and social moderates, etc, the thing we all have in common is capitalism. And there is simply no such thing as a capitalist dictator. But no, those details don't matter, schools are still telling kids a blanket statement that the Nazis were right wing.

Question, candance...

Let's get this question out of the way before we go any further:  Do you believe there is any such thing as a right wing dictator?  If so, give me an example.  Please

Jer.

Many wish you would answer THEIR questions, Jer

Somehow you seem to evade and spin, rinse, repeat.

Hitler was a liberal.

And what would those

And what would those questions be, pahuber?

Would one of them be "why won't you admit Hitler was a liberal?"

Answer:  Because he wasn't.  And the suggestion that he was is patently, laughably absurd.

Jer

There we go again.

   Answer:  Because he wasn't.  And the suggestion that he was is patently, laughably absurd.

  The only one saying he wasn't is Uncle Jer who remarkably never sources his statement.

  And we are not arguing he was a liberal. We are saying he was a socialist. It is just that the 2 seem kinda 2 sides of the same coin nowadays. 

Sincerely,

a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars. 

in some ways, yes

As I already mentioned above, old European monarchs were in many cases socially conservative dicators. They weren't completely on the right however, because the right stresses freedom in religion as well as in politics.

A lot of evangelicals today believe in a social gospel, meaning wealth is to be scorned and those who have it should be forced to feed those who don't because Jesus said so. John Edwards does a good job of pushing this. Are those evangelicals on the right or left? Conversely, there were atheists like Ayn Rand who compared Christianity to slavery, and yet she was a capitalist - where did she fall on the compass?

My point is that not everyone falls on one end or the other. Social conservatives are often fiscally liberal, and vice versa. Theocracies may be seen as being on the right because they stress religion, but they also thrive on government control, which is a liberal tendency.

So I guess you and I see Hitler through two different prisms. You say he was on the right except for that whole government control thing. I say government control is the primary thing that put him on the left.

Well, candance, I think I

Well, candance, I think I posted a few months ago when arguing the issue that so much depends on how the terms are defined.  You say the "right stresses freedom in religion as well as in politics".  Then that would make me a rightist since I likewise firmly believe in those concepts.

I tend to agree with you:  the ideological metric is not constant (and can also be viewed as both circular as well as linear). 

Many, perhaps most, of the philosophical and political principles commonly espoused here are ones with which I fervently agree.  We tend to bash each other over manufactured disputes.

Jer

 

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Another double post.  I hate my sorryass computer.

Jer

 

I get lonely with all the lack of sourced responses.

 Do you believe there is any such thing as a right wing dictator?

  No. Unable to find one. Sorry. They are either tyrants, fascists, or communists. All on the left or not rightly on the scale at all. 

  Remember the right is about less government and more freedome for peoples. Free peoples tend to conspire against tyrants, fascists and communists. 

Sincerely,

a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.

I will answer you straight

I will answer you straight up Jer, if you can listen to it:

Yes, we tend to categorize Liberals and Democrats as nazis, communists, socialist, facists, etc.  You know, words mean things.  What would you have us do, make up new words?  These words have specific meaning today, for example (to a conservative), communist and socialist are very close in definition and they mean someone who wants to take away from the productive members of society and give to the non-productive members.  Your president likes to use the term "wealth redistribution".  Well, I would call that Socialism.  Nazi, facist, and racist mean people who marginalize and attack people who they see as unworthy or lower mentality, or just "not in their group".  Libs are killing babies who are guilty of nothing at a much faster rate than Hitler killed Jews.  Anti-American means people who want to do away with the American ideals of honest work, bettering oneself, and a love of individual liberties (among other things).  Considering that the Democrats are intent on restricting religion (If you have a religious belief system, most libs think you shouldn't even be allowed to vote), guns(think assault weapons ban), freedom of the press (think Fairness Doctrine), unAmerican is an apt discription.

To be fair, try going to the Huff Post or Kos.  They use similar insults for Conservatives (I personally find it ironic when they call Conservatives "fascist", considering their willingness to kill (yes, kill) anyone who disagrees with them).  They thought that Bush was going to erode personal liberties in the war on terror.  I think Obama has done more eroding of my rights in the last 100 days then Bush did in 8 years.  And I think it is only going to get worse.

I do not think the name calling serves much purpose, which is why I try to avoid it (although I have been known to call out trolls.  I am not sure if that is name calling or just identifying a person's proclitivity). 

Obama:  "The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers." -Ed Mahmoud

Why would I not listen? 

Why would I not listen?  That doesn't mean I must agree with your opinion.

You know, words mean things.  What would you have us do, make up new words?

No, the ones we have work well enough.  I only ask they be used reasonably and accurately, and not as perjorative broadsides to blast political adversaries.

These words have specific meaning today, for example (to a conservative), communist and socialist are very close in definition and they mean someone who wants to take away from the productive members of society and give to the non-productive members.  Your president likes to use the term "wealth redistribution".  Well, I would call that Socialism.

So one who supports programs and measures such as Social Security, Medicare, ending tax cuts for the wealthy while lowering taxes on the middle class, etc. is a communist?  If so, let's resurrect Joe McCarthy and the HUAC because we've got a nation crawling with Reds. 

I note you use the term "your president".  Do you not consider Obama to be your president too?  Sad, indeed.  How often has he used the term "wealth redistribution"?  [You say he "likes" the term.]  I recall one offhand comment to one particular individual during the campaign.  Are there numerous other occasions?

Nazi, facist, and racist mean people who marginalize and attack people who they see as unworthy or lower mentality, or just "not in their group". 

Right, I grew up with a lot of those types in the South durinig the 50's and 60's who wanted to impeach Earl Warren and send all the ni*gers back to Africa.  Here's a news flash:  They weren't "liberals".

Libs are killing babies who are guilty of nothing at a much faster rate than Hitler killed Jews.  Anti-American means people who want to do away with the American ideals of honest work, bettering oneself, and a love of individual liberties (among other things). 

I'm sure there has never been a conservative who has terminated a pregnancy. [sarc off] As a matter of fact, of the four women who I personally know have had an abortion, three have been Republicans.

As far as those very laudable American ideals you mention, I agree completely...as does every Democrat with whom I am acquainted.

Considering that the Democrats are intent on restricting religion (If you have a religious belief system, most libs think you shouldn't even be allowed to vote), guns(think assault weapons ban), freedom of the press (think Fairness Doctrine), unAmerican is an apt discription.

Liberals don't believe religious people should be allowed to vote?  What?  Ruth's husband Ben, you are a very funny guy, but that may just be your alltime knee-slapper.  I don't know what else to say.

Banning assault weapons is open to political, social, and constitutional considerations, but a discussion of the issue is clearly not unAmerican.  Indeed, it is demonstrably American that such debate is permitted.  In any event, the Obama administration has shown no inclination to tackle that incendiary issue, nor, for that matter, the Fairness Doctrine.  So your concerns in those areas are largely misplaced.

To be fair, try going to the Huff Post or Kos.  They use similar insults for Conservatives (I personally find it ironic when they call Conservatives "fascist", considering their willingness to kill (yes, kill) anyone who disagrees with them). 

The similar insults used against conservatives by the left is wrong, repugnant, embarrassing, and I wish it would stop!  But, really, they want to kill (yes, kill) anyone who disagrees with them?  I've seem some extermination language posted here by conservatives about liberals, and I suppose it occurs at lib sites also.  I would suggest the sentiment is shared by only a very tiny minority at any of these respective sites however.

Jer

Jer, sorry for being so

Jer, sorry for being so long away (worked intervened yesterday).

First of all, no, I don't consider him my president.  Sorry if that offends you.  I do consider him a communist.  It is demonstratable that he has communist ties, from Acorn, to Frank Marshall Davis, to Bill Ayers.  If you run with dogs, you get fleas.

I do think he is sincere and I don't wish him any harm whatsoever.  I just hope his crops fail.

Those folks you refer to from the south, well Jer, they were overwelmingly Democrats.  No kidding and also, demonstratable.  Google it yourself.  An amazing funny fact you never hear discussed is that the evil NRA spent quite a bit of effort trying  to arm people in the south.  Who?  Blacks.  So they could protect themselves from bad guys.  Again, google that yourself.  But here is a quote: "During the 1950s and 1960s, groups of blacks organized as NRA chapters in order to obtain surplus military rifles to fight off Klansmen."

I didn't say that only Democrat Women get abortions.  I will note that only the Democrat Party Platform says that murdering babies is a woman's perogative. 

Finally, I am not opposed to debate, I am opposed to disingenous debate.  For example, Janet Nepoliatano said they are not going to use the word "terrorist" anymore in regard to Islamic murdering bastards.  Not touchy feely enough.  Fine.  But when they put out a report on potential right wing extremists, they use the word terrorist many many times.  WTF?  Only right wing people can be terrorists?  It was not used in liberal extremist report a month or so earlier.  And targeting American soldiers as potential terrorists?  You know millions of Americans have served this country proudly (I am one, six years in the Navy).  One bad actor (McVeigh) and all American service men are suspect.  Her excuse?  When she read it, it "rang true to her". 

You may not believe that people like me are under attack.  We have a saying in Missouri, "Don't piss on my boots and tell me it's raining."  All the signs are that the liberals in countrol of the House, the Senate, and the White House are overreaching big time.  And it is not a good thing for America.

 

Obama:  "The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers." -Ed Mahmoud

K. I will talk even as Uncle Jer ignores me.

Liberals and Democrats are referred to as nazis, communists, socialists, fascists, racists, anti-American, you name the evil and that's what we're called.

 We, Uncler Jer? We? Nice crowd you hang with.

Finally, show me where anyone has painted Hitler, Stalin, et al as "capitalists".

 You refute your own arguments. Hitler and Stalin were not capitalists who reside squarely on the right where less government involvement in the markets lie. You are the one that claim Hitler is on the right with the capitalists.

Sincerely,

a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.

JWF... I guess I am

JWF...

I guess I am ignoring you my Veteran friend, but it's not being done maliciously.  As you know, we had a knock-down drag-out months ago on this general topic, and I think we both know where the other stands.  Plus, until I get my computer speeded up, you would bombard me with about five comments before I could even get one posted. :-)

But we'll have another go at it some day soon.

Take care, Jer

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Sorry, double post.

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Sorry, triple post

~Jer

Your computer is quite the overachiever. Or it's totally sucking up to you. 

 

Your computer is quite the

Your computer is quite the overachiever.

Well I'm glad somebody in this household is.

[I swear I just went to the fridge for a sec and when I came back it somehow had triple posted.]

Jer

~The fridge, huh?

The computer must be jealous. 

 

 

 

Hat tip?

I posted this in the YCC open thread.

Hat tip or no, I'm glad this is getting some attention.

 

 

"To send men to the firing squad, judicial proof is unnecessary."

--Ernesto "Che" Guevara

Well then...

Hat tip to you for posting it in that thread - however, I found out about it via email...so I guess I'm sorry for missing your tip...

Why wasn't the DNC

and Obama campaign listed in the Jan 26th report?

The Right Wing under Bush and our soldiers committed acts of

unspeakable torture.

The leftist Huffington Post reports that:

"Richard Armitage, the second in command at the State Department under President Bush, told Al Jazeera English in an interview to be aired Thursday that had he known then what he knows now about the torture of detainees, the right thing to do would have been to resign."

This is the same Richard Armitage that leaked Valerie Plame's name as a CIA operative, and then left the Bush administration, including Scooter Libby, hanging until Libby was convicted of obstruction of justice.

President Bush not only had to deal with terrorist from without, but liberal traitors such as Armitage, Colin Powell, and Scott McClellan from within.

--------------------------------------------- 

"Powell's not a Republican.  McCain's not a Republican.  These guys are not even mavericks.  They are Washingtonians. Washingtonians have their own culture and their own desires, and it is to matter.  They don't care who's in power, they just want to be closely associated with whoever is.  That's the name of the game and they want press adulation.  They want to be loved and adored by the media, they want fawning treatment, they want to be thought of as something special, unique, dignified and so forth, and that's the Washington establishment." ~ Rush Limbaugh

The lefties are trying

The lefties are trying their hardest to equate Nazis with the right--just as their try to equate American civil rights support with the left--simply because the German Nazi party and the American Democrat party share the ignominious history of actively legislating against the welfare of people based on their race.

If the majority of Americans knew their history, the Dems wouldn't stand a chance in any election ever again. But the left keeps selling the razzle-dazzle, and the masses keep buying it.

"Beauty is only skin deep, but liberal's to the bone." - me

PROJECTION

Ok everyone, repeat after me..."PROJECTION"

 

Projection is defined as blaming someone else for all of your innermost feelings, failings, flaws, etc...something the left has done for 100 years and counting...

Don't lump me together with

Don't lump me together with Nazis. They're anything but right!

The Rocky Mountain Collegian: Illustrating Idiocy

Guilt by association

Of course not. Since liberals can't dispute their similiarities with Marxism, Socialism, Communism, etc., they must divert attention away from that by calling conservatives 'Nazis'. The intent is obvious, though baseless. And on the flip-side, there are a number of positions held by liberals that bear a striking resemblence to that of Nazi positions. The Gun Control Act of 1968 comes to mind, for instance. And I would bet that the 'Fairness Doctrine' might find a cousin in the history books as well. 

"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason

Hitler probably would have

Hitler probably would have ordered the beheading of anyone proposing a Fairness Doctrine assuring diversity of political viewpoints.  Even slight criticizm of der Fuhrer by the ordinary German citizen could result in serious prison time.

Jer

 

The comedian strikes again...

..proposing a Fairness Doctrine assuring diversity of political viewpoints. 

Hillarious!

Even slight criticizm of der Fuhrer (or Obama) by the ordinary German (or an American) citizen could result in serious prison time (or at least a yearly tax audit).

Like I've said before, you cannot reason with unreasonable. 

"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason

Do you have a point to

Do you have a point to make, or is that beyond your pay grade?

Jer

Yes, I do..

.. your head is firmly up your @ss if you believe what you said about the so-called 'Fairness Doctrine'. 

"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason

Horescrap.  More of your

Horescrap. 

More of your misinformation.  Hitler actually DID impose a government 'fairneess doctrine' on all media in Germany in order that all legitimate viewpoints were represented.  He even created a Ministerial post in 1933 for this purpose:  Reich Minister of Public Enlightenment which he staffed with Dr. Joseph Goebbels.

The key here is what is a 'legitimate viewpoint' and who decides what qualifies as one.   Obama likes to call these bureaucrats 'Czars'.  The concept is in principle the same.  A government bureaucrat decides what constitutes fair and appropriate usage of broadcasting media.  Any implementation of the Fairness Doctruine in this country would be no different than any other system of government censorship.  The only differences would lie in the specific content that is suppressed or subsidized.

Learn to recognize the tyrant.  The Fairness Doctrine is one face of the tyrant.  Anyone who siupports it is an arm of the tyrant.

 

Sic Semper Tyrannis. 

NL...Do you

NL...Do you painstakingly deliberate over such silliness, or does it just come naturally to you?  Well, let no one accuse you of an inability to grasp the obvious.  Of course the determination--and the entity making the determination--of opposing political views are "key" factors.  [That nettlesome little mass homicide incident in LA was also a "key" factor in wrecking Charlie Manson's music career.]  So?  Look, as I've frequently noted, I'm no proponent of a resusitation of the Fairness Doctrine--and neither is Obama--but to suggest it is a tyrannical analogue to the comprehensive, demonstrably anti-democratic measures employed by Hitler and the Nazi party to stifle dissent in pre-War (and even moreso during WWII) Germany is sheer nonsense.

Jer

Those liberals try to divert

Those liberals try to divert attention because YOU equate them with communists to scare people.

Yet another diversion.

Um.. no.. it's because they cannot defend against it. That's what liberals always do - attack and divert. 

"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason

You can't see me, but I'm

You can't see me, but I'm rolling my eyes...

Maybe we can't see you, but

Maybe we can't see you, but Homeland Security can.  ;)

 

Obama:  "The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers." -Ed Mahmoud

Something just occurred to

Something just occurred to me, something that used to bug me during the Bush administration. It's the fact that the left tries to have it both ways.  Remember how we always heard about how dumb Bush was and how dumb conservatives are, yet they also accused Bush and his administration of being so cunning, smart, devious, as to orchestrate the 9/11 attacks, trying to bring Jewish rule to the world, etc...so which is it, are we stupid conservatives or cunning strategists?

The same applies to this and the DHS report...are stupid hicks who will fall for the next Hitler (who was actually a leftist) or are we devious and brilliant masterminds who will find a way to topple the government? Hmmm, which is it, lefties???

CNN Bias

Everyone in this country knows that CNN is liberally biased.  But listening to that horrendous woman reporter(I don't remember her name) being so rude to a very patient and articulate man at a Tea Party Rally yesterday made me so mad, I almost had to pull over.  This woman was abominable.  She was absolutely intolerant of his views.  She would not listen to him, even though she approached him first and questioned him.  She was trying to push that great stimulus package of Obama's by telling everyone that we will get (drum roll please)..............$400!!!  Woo Hoo!!!  That won't cover  1/4 of most people's mortgage payment.  This woman should not be a reporter.  She was absolutely horrible.