Pelosi Flies In Style, Major Media Ignores

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Nancy Pelosi's callous treatment of the United States Air Force has been uncovered by a Freedom of Information Act request from Judicial Watch – and with the exception of Fox and Friends, the morning shows have given it exactly zero air time.

When Rush Limbaugh called a phony soldier a phony, the media frenzy was nearly instantaneous. But when Nancy Pelosi's staffer writes a belligerent email to the Department of Defense, demanding to know the location of every G5S in Air Force service, there is a virtual media blackout.

Fox and Friends reported the staffer as writing:

KAY KING: It is my understanding there are no G5S available for the House during the Memorial Day recess. This is totally unacceptable. The Speaker will want to know where the planes are [...] This is not good news, and we will have some very disappointed folks, as well as a very upset Speaker.

One wonders if the Speaker's office has noticed that the Air Force might possibly be preoccupied with such trivial matters as a possible North Korean ICBM, launching satellites, and a small armed dispute in Afghanistan. Regardless of what the Speaker's staffers know, it is rather disconcerting that the mainstream media has completely ignored Pelosi's diva-like demand for a $38 million (in 1998 dollars) luxury aircraft in which to fly home. Additionally, Fox and Friends noted that Pelosi once attempted to take her husband on a Congressional delegation (in military terms, a “CODEL”) trip to Iraq. The Department of Defense gently reminded the Speaker that delegation spouses are not allowed to be taken to a war zone.

Most damaging, however, is the revelation that Speaker Pelosi requisitioned three military aircraft and a U.S. Army escort to attend the funeral of Rep. Stephanie Tubbs Jones with other members of Congress. From the Judicial Watch release:

Documents obtained from the U.S. Army include correspondence from Speaker Pelosi's office requesting an Army escort and three military planes to transport Pelosi and other members of Congress to Cleveland, Ohio, for the funeral services of the late Rep. Stephanie Tubbs Jones. Pelosi noted in her letter of August 22, 2008, that such a request, labeled "Operation Tribute" was an "exception to standard policy."

Again, none of this has yet been reported in outlets other than Fox News. While unsurprising, it is still disappointing. The full transcript of the Fox and Friends discussions are below.

Fox and Friends
03/11/2009
06:41:08AM

STEVE DOOCY: Let's talk a little bit about this. At the height of the outrage about how those G.M. and Chrysler and Ford guys took their private planes to Washington to ask for a bailout and suddenly people are saying corporations shouldn't be really using these private aircrafts, particularly if they are getting bailout. We got email from people saying don't forget Nancy Pelosi – she gets a private jet wherever she wants. She was going to get Dennis Hastert plane but it couldn't go the whole way without refueling. As it turns out of now Judicial Watch has, through the Freedom of Information Act has uncovered a lot of email and stuff that makes it look like Nancy Pelosi has turned the Air Force into her own private airline.

ALISYN CAMEROTA: Thank goodness for the Freedom of Information Act or we would never have been able to read these emails.

BRIAN KILMEADE: We have to pay somebody off for this but now it's free.

CAMEROTA: Exactly, now we know. She requested in may of 2008. This is very interesting one. They were going on what they call a CODEL, this delegation where they were going to Iraq. She wanted her husband, who is not involved in government, to be able to come on the plane with her to go to Iraq. The Department of Defense had to remind the Speaker of the House, we don't really allow spouses to go on military trips like this. Something you would think she would know.

KILMEADE: Tom Finton says these documents show that speaker Pelosi treats the Air Force like her personal airline. She says she comes off fickle, demanding, and insensitive to the time and cost and energy needed to accommodate her endless demands on the Pentagon.

DOOCY: They also have some email from an aide to Pelosi by the name of Kay King who is the director of House Office of Interparliamentary Affairs and she wrote:

KAY KING: (written) It is my understanding there are no G5s available for the House during the Memorial Day recess. This is totally unacceptable. The Speaker will want to know where the planes are [...] This is not good news, and we will have some very disappointed folks, as well as a very upset Speaker.

DOOCY: Kay King is suggesting that suddenly Nancy Pelosi is like the air traffic controllers – she will want to know where all the plane are. Give me a map.

CAMEROTA: Yeah, air traffic controllers, or J-Lo. These are the divaish plane requests you get from celebrities.

KILMEADE: And Alisyn, the bas-bastion of the anti-military sentiment in this country? Her district, San Francisco. Everything is anti-military there. And now she's is demanding the Pentagon go to her demands.

DOOCY: We will talk a little more about that a little later on. We will step aside for a quick commercial interruption.

Fox and Friends
03/11/2009
07:23:32

ALISYN CAMEROTA: Welcome back, everyone, we're back in the Pundit Pit. New information about what happens if Nancy Pelosi cannot use the Air Force to chauffeur her and her friends around on your dime. Check out this email from one of her staffers. It says:

KAY KING: It is my understanding there are no G5S available for the House during the Memorial Day recess. This is totally unacceptable. The Speaker will want to know where the planes are [...] This is not good news, and we will have some very disappointed folks, as well as a very upset Speaker.

CAMEROTA: That comes from an aide to the Speaker named Kay King. This is because Nancy Pelosi had requested three military planes and an Army escort to go to the funeral of Congresswoman Stephanie Tubbs Jones back in May. Were no commercial flights available for Congress members to go from D.C. to Cleveland, Julie?

JULIE MENIN: Well let me just say that this is no different than what Republican Speaker Dennis Hastert did. First of all, the White House came up with this policy after 9/11 that all Speakers needed to take these Air Force planes because of security because the Speaker is second in line in succession after the Vice President. So it's not as if she is willy-nilly flying privately all over the country at her own whim. This is a security issue. I do agree that the email that the aides said is overly aggressive and a bit inappropriate. But this is a policy that all Speakers adhere to.

CAMEROTA: Okay, so standard operating procedure, right?

ANGELA MCGLOWAN: But I think she is her own worst enemy because she complained about the CEOs taking their jets to Washington, D.C. When they testified before Congress and then she asked for a larger jet. I think she is her own worst enemy in that. Plus, since we are now in a recession, I think we can give that up a little bit, dealing with the security. I don't think they are going to attack Nancy Pelosi.

DAVID HOROWITZ: Is that a Gulfstream 5? That's better than Britney Spears gets.

CAMEROTA: Here is another curious request she made to the Department of Defense. We know about this be cause of a Freedom of Information Act request from Judicial Watch. She apparently in May of 2008, requested that her husband join her on a Congressional delegation that was headed to Iraq. Again, the Department of Defense had to say no because they say that is not – we don't include spouses on dangerous combat areas of danger that Congressional delegations are going to. Did she not know that?

MENIN: I want to stress this is no different than when we had a Republican Speaker who went back to Illinois and did the same for his wife's family.

[CROSSTALK]

HOROWITZ: Isn't this supposed to be the change administration?

MCGLOWAN: Right. But this is Washington, D.C. limousine liberal hypocrisy at its best.

MENIN: The White House came up with the policy. Then the White House should reform the policy if people had an issue with it, but it was done for security.

MCGLOWAN: But wasn't Obama is the candidate about change? Why isn't he changing the policy if it's a Republican policy.

MENIN: It's basically a security policy. It's not the President's policy, it's a security policy put in place after 9/11.

MCGLOWAN: He is in the White House.

MENIN: It's actually a nonpartisan issue. It's a security issue.

CAMEROTA: But it is a security issue not to take your spouse. You think the Speaker of the House would know that she requested to bring her husband.

MENIN: The spouse issue is a bit of a red herring. I completely agree with you. She should not have done that. But the whole issue of Judicial Watch looking into this. We have massive economic catastrophe with 11 million people out of work. To focus on this during this time is just unfortunate.

MCGLOWAN: Exactly so tax dollars, Julie, go to bigger planes and also tax dollars go to the military. So I think that we can down size a little bit. Don't you? Other people are having to watch what they spend. Why can't Congress watch what they spend?

CAMEROTA: On that note we have to leave it there. Angela McGlowan, David Horowitz, Julie Menin, thanks for coming in to debate all of this.


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  I hereby announce that

  I hereby announce that Nancy Pelosi is the 'Face' of the democrat party.

MidAmerica...I think that's

MidAmerica...I think that's a bit of a stretch. ;+}

When her eyeballs finally get to the top of her forehead, then she'll be ready for this title.

The Government cannot give to anybody anything which the government does not first take from somebody else. Dr. Adrian Rogers

    You mean when she

    You mean when she gets to looking like this?

with apologies to dolly parton,

if she gets another facelift she's going to have a beard.

 

swing hard in case you hit it.

More than likely

More than likely a Hitler Moustache. I thnk I'm going to be sick. Lord help me.

MidAmerica.. LOL. Wait till

MidAmerica.. LOL. Wait till the Speaker Maharishi discovers you've been into her photo album!! You are cooked!

The Government cannot give to anybody anything which the government does not first take from somebody else. Dr. Adrian Rogers

the parent state

do as i say, not as i do.

God forbid

they fly coach.....GET YOUR OWN RIDE YA DEADBEATS

What i wanna know is..............

Why can't she just use her broom?

Only on the floor only

rsl775

She is speaker while on the floor of the House of Representatives. When she leaves the floor she is Congress Women Pelosi and she only represents her constituency. Stop this perk crap these folks are some of the biggest freeloaders in the county. Talk about a disaster only a few heartbeats away. All I read in the Constitution is that the House can choose their own leader. It doesn’t say a thing about perks and privileges off the floor. I really don’t know all the skullduggery that goes into the process for choosing the speaker but it has to be a work of some shady folks of dubious character.

The media should be screaming at the top of their lungs.

But she's da

But she's da Queen!

Marines Smell A Rat

 

 Making Fun of AGW http://giovanniworld.wordpress.com/  

"STRETCH" PELOSI...

This idiot & her hubby Paul were featured in Peter Schweitzer's book "Do as I say (Not as I Do), Profiles in Liberal Hypocracy". I love the part where the well conected Pelosi's own a vineyard & some hotels & restaurants. The vineyard has no union workers & sells only to non-union wine makers. No union labor at their hospitality industry enities. But the unions kiss her @$$, fools.

What really pisses me off about Pelosi's abuse of military aircraft is this, she hates our military, she effing hates them, & she uses them for her pleasure. She likes that part of it as much, if not more, then having G5's at her beck & call. The men & women in the military deserve better then to have to be bossed around by people that have ZERO RESPECT for them. Pelosi represents a very anti-American district that hates America as it has been, & Pesoli is a very good representation of her constituants.

 

"The Fairness Doctrine = Jim Crow laws for Conservatives".  Jim Quinn from "Quinn & Rose"

Unbelievable...

If anyone was ever in need of a 'bitch-slap', it's the wicked witch of the west. I can only imagine how hard it is for anyone in the Air Force to put up with this pompous POS of a human being.

"Culture of Corruption" MY BIG OLD BUTT!

JDLI... you can bet the

JDLI... you can bet the Pelosi stories are traveling like wildfire thoughout the Air Force. I've got two boys in the USAF.. I'll ask them if they have heard anything about Pelosi.

The Government cannot give to anybody anything which the government does not first take from somebody else. Dr. Adrian Rogers

cel... I hope you can let

cel...

I hope you can let us know...sure would be mighty interesting.

 

BT.. I'll check with them

BT.. I'll check with them when I see them again...will let you all know.

The Government cannot give to anybody anything which the government does not first take from somebody else. Dr. Adrian Rogers

Thanks cel.

Thanks cel.

Long live the Queen

After the Inauguration of President Obama calls of The King is Dead Long Live the Queen could be heard ringing in the halls of congress. Make no mistake Nancy Pelosi is and has always been a Meglomaniac. She simply does not understand that SHE IS NOT IMPORTANT the office she holds is IMPORTANT. It is a common failing in Washington not retricted to Democrats alone.

Vote all the bums out in 2010 and repeat as necessary.

Pelosi needs to learn how to

Pelosi needs to learn how to spell "humility'.

rbo... She needs to learn

rbo...

She needs to learn the definition of the word first.

Now, Now, Now.....

......we can't have an upset Speaker, can we?

Pop-Up-Pelosi gets a pass

Pop-Up-Pelosi gets a pass again....after all she is a democrat...

'nuff said.

Nothing...and I mean nothing about this woman and her double-standards when it comes to every little thing she has gotten away with in Congress and not reported by the msm is and has been horrendous, I posted about it until I am blue in the face...doesn't get us anywhere, all we can do is hope people see the light with the damage that is being done to them by these enemies within in their own pocketbooks that they vote them back into the minority again...I posted about this last night with a link somewhere, I was glad to see Fox had this on this morning, but they are the exception as far as I know.

Typical woman...I said 'nuff said and carried on anyway...  ;-)

I want to stress this is no

I want to stress this is no different than when we had a Republican Speaker who went back to Illinois and did the same for his wife's family.

 It's basically a security policy. It's not the President's policy, it's a security policy put in place after 9/11.

And nine billion cash goes missing in Iraq and no one in the Bush administration even questioned it.

Yes it is a security measure

Yes it is a security measure to use an Air Force Aircraft to fly the Speaker of the House. It is not a Security Measure to demand an Air Force Equivelant of a Gulf Stream G5. Pelosi was upset because the Air Force Plane that Republican Speaker had used would have to refuel. It is not a security matter to have other member of the House use this service. It is not a Security Matter to Demand that the Air Force tell her where all the G%'s are. Get it. It is not a security matter when you display such arrogance and disrespect for the Air Force.

 FROM THE ORIGINAL NBC

 FROM THE ORIGINAL NBC REPORT:

        When Pelosi became speaker, House Sergeant at Arms Bill Livingood, according to his own account, worried that the small craft [that Hastert used] would be unable to travel to her home district of San Francisco without stopping to refuel. Livingood, who was first elected by a Newt Gingrich-led House in 1995, asked the Air Force and the Department of Defense about getting a bigger plane.

Department of Defense makes ALL decisions about military travel
·         The Department of Defense makes all decisions concerning the use of military aircraft by Members of Congress, and the House has complied with all Department of Defense rules in this area. 
·         It is a function of the Speaker’s office to coordinate Congressional delegation travel and act as a liaison between the Department of Defense and Members of Congress.\
·         The Speaker is extraordinarily appreciative of the Department of Defense’s efforts to accommodate requests from Congress.

Mr. TONY SNOW (White House Press Secretary): I think this is much ado about not a whole lot. It is important for the speaker to have this kind of protection in travel. It was certainly appropriate for Speaker Hastert, and so we trust that all sides will get this worked out. (National Public Radio, 2/8/07).

Logistics

Never mind the logistical strain this entails, eh, plumbumbar, my committed Socialist? 

"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)

Goldbar: You are missing

Goldbar:

You are missing the obvious irony of the situation.  As a San Francsico Liberal, Pelosi has spent the past decade working at cross purposes to the DOD.  Her supporters are the most anti-military crowd in the country to the point they disallow military recruiting in her district.

Yet she gladly jumps onto the military aircraft and imposes her will upon the DOD to serve her purposes.  For instance, nothing says she could not land at GFAFB or Scott Air Force Base to refuel on her way home since her use of the aircraft is at the convenience of the service.

Where is the irony of the situation?  Well this is the equivalent of a leader of the Black Panther Party having his own Police Officer assigned to transport him to his home everynight.  Or even more pointed Bill Ayers calling the police to chase away reporters who seek to ask him questions and are waiting ont he public street.  

Regarding loss of money in theater.  You have obviously never fought a war.  Currency is expended just like bullets.  Could some of these losses be bribes to assist the move forward?  GOD I HOPE SO!!!!  WE ARE AT WAR.

by the way

A G5 is the largest gulfstream in the AirForce fleet (why in the hell would she need that )....My feeling, give the carpetbagger a coupon voucher booklet for southwest airlines ( unlimited of course )...and put the bitty back where she belongs....last row...middle seat...next to the toilets...

Pelosi Air

She is worthless. If we had a Secretary of Defense and a President that had any cojones they would tell her highness to fly commercial.

Pelosi flies!

Her airline is "Dingbat Express". 

I thought her airline was...

Botox-1. She is just simply ridiculous, go get another face lift in the Peoples Republic of Berkeley Nancy and stay there while you are at it. 

 

"Republicans believe every day is the Fourth of July, but the democrats believe every day is April 15." Ronald Reagan

CF... LOL! That is the

CF...

LOL!

That is the direction that first came to my mind too...something like Botox Express, I like yours much better!

 rpeller... or tell her to

 rpeller... or tell her to ride her broom. That thing must have lots of miles left on it.

The Government cannot give to anybody anything which the government does not first take from somebody else. Dr. Adrian Rogers

Absolute outrage! Democrat

Absolute outrage! Democrat House Speaker Pelosi wastes tax payer money for her own comfort, luxury as millions lose their jobs.

I thought President TelePrompter Obama was against fancy airplane trips?  Maybe he just doesn't like it when Auto Maker and Wall Street executives fly expensive jets? Maybe he is afraid of Pelosi?

She should have to ride the bus!

TN Mom--   no she

TN Mom--

 

no she should take Amtrak.. congress just gave them 2 billions for amtrak, so that is what she should use. 

jajt

Amtrak is a great idea for Nit Wit Nan!!!

or Nit Wit Nan can drive

or Nit Wit Nan can drive one of those electric cars, since she and congress are pushing that the big 3 make more of them and sell it to us.  she should demstrate to us how effective it is.  can you imagine her having to stop every few hours (can't get past 40mph or 60 mph) to charge her car up.

AMTRAK...

Amtrak is a personal pet of "Plugs" Biden, he took Amtrak to & from work for years in the Senate. Something like $70 1 way, he was on the best that Amtrak has to offer.

As for "Stretch" Pelosi, I hate the woman, but she should be able to fly to her district. But it should'nt be on military aircraft. I'm not sure I want her taking Southwest, but get something chartered. That way, it's easier for her, but way cheaper then using our military as her personal fleet.

 

"The Fairness Doctrine = Jim Crow laws for Conservatives".  Jim Quinn from "Quinn & Rose"

Kay King

I don't think Kay King is a "staffer" of Nancy Pelosi, as NewsBusters suggests, or an "intermediary" of Nancy Pelosi as Judicial Watch suggests. Rather Kay King is the director of the Office of Interparlimentary Affairs, an officer of the House that plans travel for foreign dignitaries who want to visit Congress and travel for members of Congress who go on official trips.

King is no more a Pelosi staffer than the Clerk, Sergeant-at-Arms or Chaplain.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode02/usc_sec_02_00000130----002-.html

Kay King

Kay King Director of the House Office of Interparliamentary Affairs, a position which is appointed by the Speaker of the House, and serves at the pleasure of the Speaker. While Ms. King is not directly paid by the Speaker or her associates, the Speaker determines the rate of compensation for that position. According to your cited source:

c) Director
(1) Appointment
The Office shall be headed by the Director of Interparliamentary Affairs of the House of Representatives (hereafter in this section referred to as the “Director”), who shall be appointed by the Speaker without regard to political affiliation and solely on the basis of fitness to perform the duties of the position. Any person so appointed shall serve at the pleasure of the Speaker.
(2) Compensation
The Director shall be paid at an annual rate determined by the Speaker.

While Ms. King does not work solely for the Speaker of the House, in this instance, I think it fair to refer to Ms. King as belligerently serving the interest of Rep. Pelosi. Moreover, reading the rest of the cited law:

(d) Other staff
(1) In general
With the approval of the Speaker, or in accordance with policies and procedures approved by the Speaker, the Director may appoint and set the pay of such other employees as may be necessary to carry out the functions of the Office. Any such appointment shall be made without regard to political affiliation and solely on the basis of fitness to perform the duties of the position. Any person so appointed may be removed by the Director with the approval of the Speaker, or in accordance with policies and procedures approved by the Speaker.
(2) Compensation
Any employee of the Office appointed under this subsection shall be paid at an annual rate determined by the Director with the approval of the Speaker or in accordance with policies approved by the Speaker.

It seems reasonable to say, given the above structure, that this department is under the direct supervision of the Speaker, through her representative, the Director. The director is obviously given a good bit of freedom to operate, but final decisions on staffing and pay are the determination of the Speaker.

Can you see why I referred to Ms. King as a staffer? This is not a staffer by ordinary measures, but I see no reasonable argument that can be made to suggest that Ms. King serves any higher priority than the desire of her direct superior, the Speaker of the House.

"At the pleasure of the Speaker"

The only other time I have ever heard such terminology used is in reference to U.S. Attorneys, who serve "at the pleasure" of the President of the United States. Back during the so-called U.S. Attorneys scandal, the Attorneys's ideal and actual status and independence from the POTUS were made clear.

For example, I would not refer to Patrick Fitzgerald, the United States Attorney for the Northern District of Illinois, as a "staffer" of George W. Bush or Barack Obama. Sure, U.S. Attorneys and the Director of the Office of Interparlimentary Affairs may serve a kind of desire of their respective superiors, but to call such a thing a staffer implies a dependence and interconnectedness that isn't so.

It's more proper to say that while Attorneys and the Director serve the desire of the superiors in a way, they are moreso serving the desires of an abstraction. In the case of the Attorneys, they represent the government, and the Director represents the House.

FactCheck.org on Pelosi

FactCheck.org has some information that is relevent to this topic.

A third false rumor flying about is that Pelosi ordered up a 200-seat Air Force jet for her personal use and that she jets around in it routinely, while other Democrats scold Detroit auto makers for flying in their own private jets.

That one has at least a mote of truth to it. Pelosi has used the Air Force equivalent of a Boeing 757 to fly between Washington, D.C., and her San Francisco district. But she has done so exactly once, when no smaller aircraft was available, according to Air Force spokesman Eric Sharman. At other times she flies in a much smaller, 12-seat executive jet, the same type used by her Republican predecessor, Dennis Hastert.

It's a good read.

http://www.factcheck.org/politics/sliming_pelosi.html

I really don't care.

The most this hack politician deserves is the rental of a Yugo on our dime.

Nanny, don't even think about saying "let them eat cake".

Bitch!

 

I hope he fails, too.

 

 

The Republicans are just as

The Republicans are just as "Let them eat cake" if we are judging such a thing by the planes they fly in. As noted, former House Speaker Dennis Hastert did the same thing.

Now, I criticized Hastert for a lot of things, but the plane he used was not one of them.

Prove it.

 

I hope he fails, too.

 

 

Well, Hastert was the

Well, Hastert was the Speaker of the House and he flew back and forth from Washington and his Illinois district.

Plus, Office of Interparlimentary Affairs director Kay King speaks on the behalf of all members of Congress who need to go on a trip, Democrats and Republicans.

Did Hastert actively worked

Did Hastert actively worked at cross purposes to the DOD during his career like Pelosi has/

Don't you consider it ironic that Pelosi uses Mil Air transport while her district has sought to hurt the DOD for the past 30 years?

Since we are destined to take a 20% cut in the DOD budget in the next two years, don't you think it would show a good example for Pelosi who has her own fortune to relinquish her mil air and fly her own chartered flight?  That way maybe I can keep another 2 soldiers employed for a full year for the cost of each of her flights home?

I am certain you will call for Pelosi to do so,right?

Icarus: I note you have

Icarus:

I note you have not replied to this, but have repolied to others.  Therefore I assume you agree with me that Pelosi seeks to hurt the same military that she uses for her convenience.

Pelosi on military matters

I don't see much of a connection between a politician's travel on military jets and their respective policy views and opinions on other matters involving the military. If one were to call politicians to task for positions and matters not favoring the military, then one could try to make the case that someone with anti-war beliefs shouldn't be elected President and fly aboard Air Force One, which is an absurdity.

The issue of the defense budget and whether it should be cut or expanded is a serious issue that stands on its own, and one could reasonably come to the conclusion that it needs to be cut and still fly on military planes. Perhaps it would be a nice gesture on Pelosi's part if she chartered her own plane instead of using military planes while supporting a defense budget cut, but it's not necessary.

I assume that your mention of Pelosi's district having "sought to hurt the DOD" is a reference to policies such as banning recruiters from high schools, which is also a serious issue that stands on its own, and one which a politician can take any position on and still fly on military planes. One could legitimately agree that the military has a proper role in guarding high-ranking government officials, but not recruiting in high schools.

Not a legitimate argument

 One could legitimately agree that the military has a proper role in guarding high-ranking government officials, but not recruiting in high schools.   I couldn't.  For one, without the military, the high school doesn't stand. 

For another: where do you think the military comes from?  Or do you favor a draft?  Where do those that guard high-ranking officials (who in some cases badmouth and blast those who guard them routinely) come from?

For yet another: if the military cannot recruit on HS campi, fine.  Yank their federal funding.  And they can kill their stupid "Career Day" events altogether and prevent any private venture from recruiting on campus. 

"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)

I don't see much of a

I don't see much of a connection between a politician's travel on military jets and their respective policy views and opinions on other matters involving the military.

You are being purposefully obtuse.  For if her policies she has advocated were actually followed, the DOD wold not have the funding to actually provide the airlift to move her.

If one were to call politicians to task for positions and matters not favoring the military, then one could try to make the case that someone with anti-war beliefs shouldn't be elected President and fly aboard Air Force One, which is an absurdity.

I find it not absurd in the least.  If someone were to advocate destroying a railroad, then be made president of that railroad he would of course have an unsolvable dichotomy.  This is clearly present in this case.  If the desires of Pelosi and her constituency were followed, the VIP wing would have to be folded in order to make way for the cuts she advocates int he force if combat power projection were still the goal of the force.

The issue of the defense budget and whether it should be cut or expanded is a serious issue that stands on its own,

Indeed.  But others positions must be made relevant to their own participation.

and one could reasonably come to the conclusion that it needs to be cut and still fly on military planes.

Fine.  Then the first air craft fleet cut should be the VIP wing that services politicians.

Personnally, the force would not miss it since we all are used to flying in the cargo holds of transport aircraft.  I wonder if Ms Pelosi would be willing to stand in line at the Spaceavailable desk at Andrews for 14 hours to catch a 22 hour flight to Travis.  You of course realize that when WE fly space available we have to land at other bases not on OUR itinerary.  She should join me in the my next Space-A flight.

I assume that your mention of Pelosi's district having "sought to hurt the DOD" is a reference to policies such as banning recruiters from high schools,

Partially, though the un-debateable level of anti-military sentifment that oozes from her district need not limit itself just to that argument.

Nor her votes which can only be characterized as anti-military in the past.

which is also a serious issue that stands on its own,

No, that one is so emotionally driven on the left and bereft of logic that it does NOT stand on its own.

and one which a politician can take any position on and still fly on military planes.

only if that politician is willing to provide their own pilot, flight crew, maintenance crew, and staff to prepare the air mission.

Other wise the personnel would not be avaialbe to perform the mission since the policies would prevent their accession into the military.

One could legitimately agree that the military has a proper role in guarding high-ranking government officials, but not recruiting in high schools.

Not a logically pespective.  Are high schools to be immune from all positions of thought or not?

And the argument is not simply that of the high school recrutiment since the recrutiing stations in pelosi's district have been under assault from her contituency itself.

I think I shall award myself a "SHACK" for that.

 

Well, Hastert was the

Well, Hastert was the Speaker of the House and he flew back and forth from Washington and his Illinois district.

Plus, Office of Interparlimentary Affairs director Kay King speaks on the behalf of all members of Congress who need to go on a trip, Democrats and Republicans.

That's not proof

It's okay.

We know those of you on Nanny's staff are just as stupid as she is.

No worries.

 

I hope he fails, too.

 

 

I believe it is proof that

I believe it is proof that Republicans did the same thing as Nancy Pelosi when the former Republican House leader Dennis Hastert flew on military planes.

So?

AND BOTH of them, as well as ANY future Speaker, should fly coach so they can deal with the rest of the hoi polloi 

I presume that your primary form of communication is in fact English as conveyed in Latin letters???

"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)

you are missing the point

this is the leader of the same political party who had a senator grill auto executives on the very same topic.  besides that, she's as dumb as a bag of hammers.

 

swing hard in case you hit it.

I bet you are referring to

I bet you are referring to Rep. Brad Sherman or possibly Rep. Gary Ackerman. Of course, that was their opinion. The same Democratic Party that had members criticize the auto execs' corporate jets also had members defending the auto execs for being unfairly treated, compared to the financial institutions being bailed out. I haven't found any quotes from Pelosi herself criticizing the auto execs over corporate jets.

By the same standard the Republicans could be called out if they fly on military jets because Sen. Kit Bond said auto execs should consider selling their corporate jets.

A modest proposal

If she's shuttling back and forth to ther district or otherwise engaged in domestic travel, she can do what the rest of us poor shlubs do.

Fly commercial.

In fact, why doesn't she fly coach?  Or economy class as it is now called? 

This goes for ALL members of Congress.    

"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)

I think that was the Bill

I think that was the Bill Livingood's idea. (And before him, the Bush administration.) According to them, the Speaker is such an important government figure, security demands the Speaker fly back and forth on a miliary plane.

Those icky masses

Screw that.  Other than being in line of succession, the Speaker is just another Congresscritter.  The Constitution doesn't even identify what powers the Speaker should have ("The House shall chuse its Speaker"). 

I don't care if it was/is Pelosi, Hastert, G-------, Foley, Wright, O'Neill, or Albert, or whoever.  Let them fly commercial with those icky masses they claim to represent.   

"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)

Uns... She won't take the

Uns...

She won't take the regular route because....

It's been reported that she feels there are people out to get her (inferring assassination) because she is in line to be Prez.

Talk about LOL hilarious!

Nancy wants a BIGGER plane

According to the article, Ms. Pelosi wants a BIGGER plane, not a plane.  While she teams up with the Administration to cut the military budget by 20%.  They ought to give her a balloon and tell her that she has enough hot air to reach the moon! 

"What experience and history teach is
this - that people and governments never have learned anything from history,
or acted on principles deduced from it."


G. W. F. Hegel

Eh...

Not according to MY article...I stated that Rep. Pelosi had a preference for a G5S aircraft, which (as I understand it) is the long-range aircraft used for VIP transport.  I can't really find good information on its range capabilities, but Wikipedia says it can fly 6,500 miles before a refueling stop.

 I sincerely hesitate to trust Wikipedia on ever being absolutely correct, but it sounds right...

Don't miss the importance of wanting her husband

to go with her to Iraq.

Pelosi's husband is a real estate developer and his coming with her could net him quite an advantage if he is pursing business in Iraq.

So, it wasn't just asking a spouse to come along, it was possibly giving an political insider a ticket to profiting from the rebuilding of Iraq at the expense of other firms.

At least that's more overt

At least that's more overt than having billions of dollars just >poof< disappear. 

boa.... Let's don't

boa....

Let's don't forget her raising minimum wage to all, EXCEPT to her and her husbands business/Star-Kist in American Samoa.

The employees are happy campers...just ask them.

Media...still SILENT!

FactCheck.org on NewsBusters

That's an interesting coincedence when I'm researching the anti-Pelosi claims.

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/did_nancy_pelosi_get_wage_breaks_and.html

To start, it's simply not true that Pelosi's husband owns $17 million worth of Del Monte stock, giving her a "corrupt" motive to aid the company. (Nor does he own such an interest in Del Monte's primary shareholder, Heinz, as alleged in some versions of this message.)

We traced this false claim back to a 2007 article in the conservative NewsBusters blog, which attributed it only to a single, unsupported sentence in Wikipedia's article on Del Monte. That's hardly an authoritative source. Wikipedia articles may be written or edited by any user, making the site notorious for its vulnerability to false entries, pranks and vandalism. NewsBusters editors later admitted that its claim "has not otherwise been verified" and that "there is reason to believe that the claim of such ownership interest on the part of Paul Pelosi is suspect." Actually, NewsBusters fell for a Wikipedia hoax. 

Good morning Icarus

The ownership of stock has not been disproven. It has been denied by your liberal blogs.

The large political donations to Pelosi by Del Monte and H. J. Heinz have been proven.

Jesus Loves You

FactCheck,org

is not a liberal blog. It's very much an objective fact checking website that has been quoted by the likes of former VP Dick Cheney.

Furthermore, the new goal post of saying that Del Monte Foods is a campaign contributor to Pelosi (instead of the previous goal post of the Pelosis owning stock in Del Monte Foods) is also untrue.

No "Major Contributor"


It is also untrue that Del Monte is a "major contributor" to Pelosi, or a contributor at all. The company doesn't rank among her top contributors in any year, and neither does the National Food Processors Association PAC, to which Del Monte contributes. A search of contribution records covering the last 18 years shows that Pelosi has not received any contributions of $200 or more from Del Monte or StarKist employees.

Icarus

If FactCheck.org's opinion happens to agree with the truth you have accuracy.

Too many times the truth and FactChect do not agree.

Jesus Loves You

Source evaluation

 is not a liberal blog. It's very much an objective fact checking website that has been quoted by the likes of former VP Dick Cheney.  Perhaps, but I like to evaluate my sources.  Internet sources by and large cannot be properly evaluated.

"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)

Major Misinformation

"No "Major Contributor""

No major facts here. Read the site for yourself and you'll see the disclaimer "The organizations themselves did not donate." How about those organizations that DID donate?

The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.
The US Constitution

Unless you're a fetus.
The US Supreme Court

For the very first time

For the very first time Madame Pelosi and I have something in common. I also have flown on a military plane.

I was in the Naval Reserves in the early 70s and had finished my summer cruise in Japan. To get me back to the states I was given a seat on a cargo plane (probably a C-4).

The flight was non-stop 13 hours in a folding chair. The decor was cargo nets and big wooden crates. Since I was in the front row I was 'volunteered' to serve box lunches (plain cheese sandwiches and an apple).

I suggest they provide Pelosi the exact same accomodations the next time she requests military transport.

Cooltom... Sounds good to

Cooltom...

Sounds good to me....if that did ever happened to Pop-Up in real life...we would never, ever, have to worry about her popping up again anytime soon...

At least not in our life-times.

I concur

I was in the AF and flew several times to on C130 Turboprops to TDY locations in Europe. The cargo net seating, the musty odor, the noise and the ride was unforgettable and if it is good enough for our military then it is more than good enough for POS Pelosi. Maybe the loadmaster will even let her recline on a pallet of equipment if she is nice. 

 

GIVE THE "O" THE HEAVE HO

Nothing better than sleeping

Nothing better than sleeping on a pallet of duffle bags under a poncho liner for a tired trooper going home.

Been there, did that.

Been there, did that. It even can be comfortable, if a bit chilly.

The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.
The US Constitution

Unless you're a fetus.
The US Supreme Court

C-17

Gimmee a C-17.  I sprawled out on the floor in one once.  Granted, it was a military transport, but since I can't sprawl out on the floor of a commercial jet, THAT was NICE. 

Besides, I am partial to C-17s anyways.   

"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)

C-5A

I'll take the C5-A Galaxy. I once took part in loading 10 Cobra's on one of those, with no disssassembly required! We just rolled them up the ramp and secured them to the tiedowns.

You could sprawl out Nancy's entire staff on the deck and still have rooms for her limousine. Oh, wait, forget I mentioned that. She'll be demanding one soon.

The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.
The US Constitution

Unless you're a fetus.
The US Supreme Court

Paul Pelosi

That's an unsubstantiated claim about Nancy Pelosi's husband, but I can give some info about Paul from a 2007 San Francisco Chronicle article about him that says a conservative group can't find any impropiety about the Pelosis.

"Paul Pelosi is subject to a much higher level of scrutiny than the normal businessperson," said Reilly, who's moved out of political consulting and into the business world. "You need peripheral vision to look at the potential conflicts."

"He's passed up a lot of big opportunities because he knew it might not look good for Nancy," Cotchett added.

The investing strategy seems to have paid off. Besides being successful financially, Paul Pelosi has avoided almost any suggestion of hooking his investment portfolio to Nancy Pelosi's growing political power.

Ken Boehm, head of the conservative National Legal and Policy Center in Virginia, spent months last year looking into Nancy Pelosi's financial records, campaign contributions and legislative records, looking for any hint of impropriety.

"There was no sign that she enriched herself personally by her official actions," he told The Chronicle last year. "She didn't cross the line as far as I could tell."

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/01/01/MNG83NB37E1.DTL

how about this fun fact about ms. two heartbeats away...

i hate her.

 

swing hard in case you hit it.

Pelosi should be forced to ride a bus that runs on bullsh*t

That way, with her aboard, they wouldn't have to make any fuel stops between D.C. and San Fransisco. 

If they add a portable toilet and a cooler full of baloney sandwiches and cokes, they wouldn't have to stop at all.  :-)

-Dave

This coup has gone on long enough. The time to put it down is NOW.

RD

Thanks for the GREAT Link!!

"When They Feel the Heat, They Will See the Light"

How true!

good call RD......earmark dubbed "poop to power"

Fox and Friends earmark of the day segment highlights Rep. Gwen Moore of Wisconsin defending what she calls "poop to power". Soon SanFranNan can put all her bulls**t to good use.  In the meantime, she can use her broom.

Considering the depth of the BS in Congress,  they have the biggest "shovel ready" project in the nation right under their noses. 

 

OBAMA............One  Big  A**  Mistake  America!

New: Pelosi caught in lie

Pelosi has been caught in a lie, she stated that she did not demand a bigger plane and there is now evidence from the FOIA dump that she did. See video also.

Pelosi: I Never Demanded a Bigger Plane: http://www.redstate....

Kay King-just who is this piece of goat dung?

Change!! Removing funding from the DC school kids and let Nancey fly as a rock star. 

BHO does not attend the MEDAL OF HONOR BALL-and does not let them know he is not coming, they wait all night.

wow this is change!! change to elitist socialism. can we survive 4 years of this!!

 

BHO- ill equipped to lead America

 

 

 

Kay King ...

... the Director of the Office of Interparlimentary Affairs of the House, as defined here.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode02/usc_sec_02_00000130----002-.html

I see no top secret security clearance

i see no military pay grade. she needs to be put in place for sure.does she keep track of all those on board who must pay back the Government for such flights.  would like to see those records. 

as we moved about, back in my day, it was a hopscotch in the netting of C130's or worse.

BHO- ill equipped to lead America

 

 

 

Pentagon on Pelosi's planes

Pentagon spokesman Geoff Morrell was asked about the story at today's briefing: “I really have nothing for you on it. . . . I mean, we provide air travel to a number of people. We provide aircraft for a number of government officials. That's how we've done things for years; it's how we continue to do things. I know of no one rendering a judgment on whether there is excessive use of those aircraft.”

Asked whether lawmakers should be more sensitive about arranging these flights given the budget crunch, Morrell said, “I have no reason to assume that they aren't very conscientious about it and they don't factor all those things into their decision-making.”

Source:   http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2009/03/pelosi-aides-pl.html

 

Furthermore, "[Kay King's comments to the DOD] came in reference to planes available for bipartisan trips by congressional delegations -- not the speaker's personal travel."

There's nothing specific about Pelosi, beyond King referring to "the Speaker" in Pelosi's position as the leader of the House.

 

Pelosi

Jessie R. Hamby        Nancy Pelosi is a PIG! She destroyed California. She needs to be removed from office.

Give her a C-130

Give her a C-130. I flew on one of those from Minneapolis, Minnesota direct to Corpus Christi, Texas, a distance of over 1200 miles without a refueling stop. That's plenty of range, don't ya think? If it's good enough for the troops, it should be good enough for Nancy.

The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.
The US Constitution

Unless you're a fetus.
The US Supreme Court

C-130...I grew up as an Air Force...

brat, and have also been an Air Force wife, so I spent my childhood and a good part of my adult life around all types of planes, and I think that they should give 'ol Nancy an F-15 to fly back and forth from San Fran to D.C....Just one little problem with the F-15...It's a single seater, so they'd have to strap 'ol Nancy to the wing...But, it'd get her there...

Just a thought... 

"...peace is the highest aspiration of the American People. We will negotiate for it, sacrifice for it, we will never surrender for it, now or ever." President Ronald Reagan~ January 20, 1981

Better yet, a Biplane

Better yet, let's give her a Biplane. That will not only save millions of dollars in fuel costs, it will also placate her liberal base. I mean, really, who can condemn her for "Flying Bi?"

The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.
The US Constitution

Unless you're a fetus.
The US Supreme Court

Cobra..."Flying Bi..." LOL!

Hey! That's even better! And it would thrill her constituents out there on the "left-coast!"

"...peace is the highest aspiration of the American People. We will negotiate for it, sacrifice for it, we will never surrender for it, now or ever." President Ronald Reagan~ January 20, 1981

Factcheck

Factcheck is part of the Annenberg Public Policy Center of the Annenberg School and is funded primarily by the Annenberg Foundation. This is the same foundation that funded Bill Ayers and Obama in Chicago.

Like most philanthropic organizations, they get their start from wealthy conservative benefactor industrialists, and are either taken over by liberals over the years, or the wife of the benefactor who turns out to be a far left liberal. Sadly, you can see that pattern over and over again in our country.

It might be an interesting site, but I wouldn't trust them any more than I would trust Bill Ayers, and just because a Republican quoted them when they got something right, is meaningless. Even the Buffoon in Chief might get something right now and then.

The Annenberg Foundation is

The Annenberg Foundation is the main organization, and the Annenberg Public Policy Center (which is a part of Penn) and the Chicago Annenberg Challenge (which Barack Obama was a member of the board of directors of and which Bill Ayers co-authored the original grant proposal for) are divisions of the main organization.

The APPC being a part of the University of Pennsylvania makes it kind of hard to reject. The Ivy League is respected by just about everyone, so you should listen to them more than anyone else, let alone listen to them more than Ayers.

You asserted that it was a

You asserted that it was a non-political arm.  THus disproven using the spectre of Obama & Ayers you say that it is a respected Ivy League institution with which no one has problems.

I for one, do not respect the Ivies...  I assume that I am not the only one.

My actual quote was that

My actual quote was that FactCheck.org "is not a liberal blog. It's very much an objective fact checking website that has been quoted by the likes of former VP Dick Cheney."

First of all, what I said is true. It is an objective fact checking website, and it's not liberal. Second of all, FactCheck.org is a "non-political arm", to use your words.

Obama and Ayers being associated with the Chicago Annenberg Challenge has virtually nothing to do with the Annenberg Public Policy Center at Penn beyond being a division of the Annenberg Foundation. The fact that APPC and FactCheck.org are endorsed by an Ivy League school should say everything that is needed about it's trustworthiness. I don't know how one can distrust education and knowledge, which Penn is a master at, but that's essientially what one is doing if you don't trust what the Penn people say.

Obama and Ayers being

Obama and Ayers being associated with the Chicago Annenberg Challenge has virtually nothing to do with the Annenberg Public Policy Center

Right....  And the Contras had no association with the Reagan administration.  Your position is nonsense.

The fact that APPC and FactCheck.org are endorsed by an Ivy League school should say everything that is needed about it's trustworthiness.

Should say everything about its trustworthiness?  YOU ARE CORRECT.  But in a prejudicial manner.  To large numbers of the common man like myself, it detracts from its trustworthiness.

I don't know how one can distrust education and knowledge,

I do not, which is why I distrust Ivy education. It does neither educate nor provide knowledge.

But it (Ivy education) does inculcate an indoctrination program....

Snobbery? Or...?

The Ivy League is respected by just about everyone, so you should listen to them more than anyone else, What???

Either this is a tacit admission of your extreme snobbery, or a tacit admission that all someone needs to do is to say "I'm from an Ivy League school!" to stop you from critically thinking.

That one sentence alone throws all of your posts into question.

"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)

Like I implied just a moment

Like I implied just a moment ago in my post a little above this one, it's absurd to have critical thinking toward truth, which is what education (like that brought to you by the Ivy League) is. That's not snobbery. Rather, that seems more like sanity.

education or

education or indoctrination?  the a-priori assumptions rampant in the academy make education very difficult 

 

Who are you to tell a successful and consistently interesting satirist what he should or shouldn't do in order to get across the point he's trying to make?

I'm sorry, I just cannot

I'm sorry, I just cannot fathom criticizing the education that academy is all about. It's like criticizing truth and intelligence. Criticizing such things would mean that one is in favor of their opposites, falsehood and stupidity.

(By the way, I'm not calling you stupid. That's just the best way I know how to phrase my point about anti-academic attitudes in general.)

Icarus, Simply pointing

Icarus,

Simply pointing out that someone or some group is "Ivy League" and so should be respected is an appeal to authority and so represents a fallacious argumentative technique.

Also, given the rampant liberalism at most colleges and universities, a lot of folks on here are pretty wary of the type of education being given students these days.

And before you accuse me of being anti-academic (I know you haven't really done that, but just saying), I graduated from one of those "Ivy League" schools.

who was anti-academic?

certainly not I.  To question some of their basic assumptions is rather to improve the academic output of the academy, however as was exhibited by the flatearthers they are very resistant to change.

 

Who are you to tell a successful and consistently interesting satirist what he should or shouldn't do in order to get across the point he's trying to make?

Anti-academic

 I surely hope you aren't calling me anti-academic.  If you are, you might change your mind after a little explanation. 

"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)

Ivy League "educational" institutions are totally bogus today.

All they really amount to now is nothing more than lefty indoctrination centers that specialize in the literal and figurative castration of the once proud Amurrican male.

The only thing that seperates the Ivy Leaguers from your garden variety government-controlled community college myrmidons is the price of admission.

Of course, that fact still leads the Ivy League graduates to continue to delude themselves into believing they are something special.

The reality, of course, is decidedly different.

-Dave

This coup has gone on long enough. The time to put it down is NOW.

R D Helm, While I totally

R D Helm,

While I totally agree that the Ivy Leagues (as will most colleges and universities) are dominated by liberals (both in faculty and students), there is no way you can argue that the level of scholastic ability of a student in a top tier school is basically the same as at a bottom tier school.

As someone who has taught at a few different colleges, I can tell you from brute force direct experience, the "reality" is that there is a difference.

But maybe you have insight that I lack and can show me where I'm wrong on this.

hydro,

I realize there are exceptions, and I also realize their entrance rquirements are rather stiff (especially if you are male and reflect a lot of light) but it just seems to me the Ivy leagers are a more annoying breed of lefty than, say, those who attended UGA or some other similar institution.

Maybe its just me.

-Dave

This coup has gone on long enough. The time to put it down is NOW.

R D Helm, Not sure what

R D Helm,

Not sure what "exceptions" you mean. As I said, I have firsthand experience that says that, for the most part, students at top tier schools are better prepared and more motivated then at lower tier schools.

But call me a liar if you want.

If you want to pretend that the kids that get into good schools aren't actually intelligent and motivated, then go right ahead.

Seems you don't much believe in the idea that some folks actually decide their own future and work hard for it.

Guess you don't much believe in the central premise of capitalism.

And by the way, I'm an "Ivy Leaguer". Am I annoying you?

Snobbery

Nice try. You flat out said that we should all be listening to what the Ivy League says.  If the Ivy league says it, then it should be good enough.  According to your very own post.

Therefore, this IS snobbery.  Hence I will see what they say, and evaluate that against what my state-funded university education tells me, along with the education gotten by the act of living.  THAT is critical thinking; not taking orders from some universities that only have age and prestige going for them. 

"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)