Piers Morgan to Santorum: Your Views 'Are Bordering on Bigotry, Aren't They?'
Wednesday on CNN's Piers Morgan Tonight, Morgan interviewed GOP presidential candidate Rick Santorum. The host spent considerable time on Santorum's views on homosexuality. Confirming the candidate is a Catholic, Morgan asked if he believes homosexuality is a sin. Santorum stated he subscribes to his Church's teaching that it is. Morgan asked how Santorum would react to learning one of his sons is gay and after listening to his response:
MORGAN: I guess one of the reasons it's troubling and difficult for people to come out is because of the level of bigotry that's out there against them. I have to say that your views you espoused on this issue are bordering on bigotry, aren't they?
So an orthodox Roman Catholic who adheres to his faith's determination that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered" borders on bigotry. Not Morgan, however:
MORGAN: Well, I'm a Catholic, too. I just think, unfortunately, we're in a different era. We're in a modern world. And the fact --
Morgan didn't say why he thinks it's unfortunate we're in a different era or why he claims to be a Catholic while rejecting Church teaching, but he didn't really need to. Fellow CNN anchors were prepared to do the heavy lifting.
On today's American Morning, a clip was played of Santorum saying, in part, "Piers Morgan called me a bigot because I believe what the Catholic Church teaches with respect to homosexuality, I'm a bigot." Anchors Carol Costello and Ali Velshi were not going to let that go unchallenged:
COSTELLO: In all fairness Piers did not call Santorum a bigot but said we live in a different era and views about moment sexuality (sic) have certainly changed.
VELSHI: That was their point of disagreement where Piers said, I'm also Catholic and I think these views should evolve. Rick Santorum says I don't think that's true. But that was the extent of it in the interview. So if you didn't watch the interview, you just watched that second part, you may think it was a different interview.
Ah, so the Church's views on homosexuality should evolve because Piers Morgan believes they should. Someone had better get the word to Pope Benedict XVI pronto. At the same time, perhaps Costello can explain how saying someone's views border on bigotry isn't the same as saying he's a bigot. Don't tell me there's a strict constructionist at CNN, even if it only pertains to grammar.
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Sin
Submitted by Curly on Thu, 09/01/2011 - 3:31pm.
Sin hasn't changed since Adam and Eve. Modern world be damned.
Was God unavailable to comment?
Submitted by Red Jeep on Thu, 09/01/2011 - 3:32pm.
What a good example of liberal thinking. Nothing is concrete and everything is flexible. To Liberals our Constitution and Bill of Rights should be flexible documents to meet modern day whims and so too should the teaching of God and Churches.
It's all relative, doncha no?
And this has to do with being president...
Submitted by Radical1979 on Thu, 09/01/2011 - 3:35pm.
how?
Liberal speak
Submitted by egw1969 on Fri, 09/02/2011 - 9:31am.
They don't want anyone in that office that believes in God. If you believe in God then homosexuality is a sin, but if you don't then being gay is just how you where born and not a choice.
Arrogant
Submitted by Restless Legs on Thu, 09/01/2011 - 3:43pm.
I started to watch this interview last night, but Morgan was so condescending and "holier than thou" that I couldn't stomach watching much of it. Liberals think they are smarter than everyone else and therefore think they have the right to set the standard for what is "moral." If you disagree in any way, you are a "bigot." Yawn.
I guess it goes back to what
Submitted by athoughtor2 on Thu, 09/01/2011 - 4:17pm.
I guess it goes back to what your defiition of bigot is. if your views are almost bigotry therefore you are almost a bigot. either you are or you are not.
but it's ok for libs to have views on the church and treat Catholics as human punching bags... isn't that bigotry Piers?
Is Piers Morgan's weird views supposed to trump The Pope's,
Submitted by lrgon on Thu, 09/01/2011 - 4:00pm.
the Catholic church and saint Paul's words in Romans I by simply saying that his is the "modern" view on queerity and that setles that? What this discussion was about centered on theology and one would expect the round to go to the one who holds closer to the church's teaching.
Santorum and Christine O'Donnell had better brush up on their theology and debating skills since this lightweight Piers (it rymes with queers) seems to be getting the best of these two.
For them to allow this CNN clown to use "bigotry" against them as a semantic weapon when all they are doing and believing in is the true Church's teaching that this dispicable style of living will only lead to perdition!
The Church's position on
Submitted by rbosque on Thu, 09/01/2011 - 3:59pm.
The Church's position on homosexuality doesn't change if you decide to become a liberal. It's Morgan who is mocking the Church and it's teaching.
Funny how Obama's religious views weren't challenged by this dope.
Yeah, it never changes
Submitted by buttercup815 on Thu, 09/01/2011 - 4:05pm.
The Catholic Church's postion on homosexuality never changes as long as there are lots of those young choirboys around.
"Dig" Grade...C-
Submitted by Red Jeep on Thu, 09/01/2011 - 4:27pm.
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Gosh buttercup
Submitted by tjc-illinois on Thu, 09/01/2011 - 5:06pm.
what could you possibly mean by this comment?
'Well, to tell the family secret, my grandmother was Dutch." Bart
It's just a dig as Red Jeep sez.
Submitted by buttercup815 on Thu, 09/01/2011 - 5:30pm.
I've never been fond of the Catholic Church. When I was young I was basically an atheist, but the love of my life wanted to get married in the Catholic Church. Now the priest insisted that before he would marry us, that I would have to go through what amounted to an Inquistion. In the end I promised before a God I did not believe in that I would raise my children in the Catholic faith..which I did..they turned out fine. No regrets..except for the Inquistion part.
An Inquisition? Hmmm...they
Submitted by Liberallies on Thu, 09/01/2011 - 10:32pm.
An Inquisition? Hmmm...they ask you simple questions such as, "Are you marrying out of your own free will or are you getting married to run away from something?" Yes, the Roman Catholic Church also asks you that if you are going to be married by the Church, that the kids be raised Catholic.
It is hardly an Inquisition unless you feel the need to lie. The questions are simple and it doesn't take more than 10 minutes to answer them.
and nice dig on the Church. It never stops, does it, attack the Church for the .001% of priests who committed a horrific crime while you stay silent about the public schools in the USA who have superintendents, principals and unions covering up for countless of pedophiles in the public schools who call themselves teachers.
The Church becomes more worldy, and those who demanded that it become more wordly attack Her for being more worldly. I hope the Church officials learned, don't do as the world asks you to do, do as God ask you to do.
Liberallies, about the Inquistiion thing
Submitted by buttercup815 on Fri, 09/02/2011 - 11:36am.
One of the questions the priest asked me was "What church do you attend?" I said "I don't" and he said so you're a nothing! Kind of thing you never forget. But since I was in love with my future wife, I sucked it up and didn't get angry..but that kind of insult stays forerver.
wait
Submitted by kata on Fri, 09/02/2011 - 11:42am.
ok I am coming to the party late here. Hopefully you'll indulge me. Why were you trying to get married in the catholic church if both of you weren't catholic? If you don't actually believe in the tenets of the church - then it's nothing more than playing dressup.
buttercup815, Well, I was
Submitted by Liberallies on Fri, 09/02/2011 - 11:49am.
buttercup815,
Well, I was not there, thus I am unsure if you are being honest or not. When I married my wife they asked both the same questions they asked you. Like I said, it is hardly an Inquisition.
And talk about holding a grudge!
Maybe the priest did tell you that you are nothing or maybe you interpreted the words that were told to you as such. But as someone who attempts to practice his Catholic Faith, I can assure you that the Roman Catholic Church, God, would never consider you nothing because you do not attend Church.
However, I will tell you this, priests are human and they make mistakes, they are capable of committing all types of sins just like you and me.
AND there are priests who do get frustrated at secularists and atheists who attack the Church right and left, but don't mind using Her when it suits their personal purposes.
I am glad you are married by the Church, but getting married by the Church means much more than simply using the Church and attending, as too many Catholics do, Mass on Easter and Christmas.
Anyways, I am sorry you had a bad experience. Maybe you should voice your discontent with a priest that you trust and take it from there.
Well in the end.
Submitted by buttercup815 on Fri, 09/02/2011 - 12:00pm.
Things worked out pretty well..my kids are all well adjusted. But I just can`t help thinking I would like to find that priest and tell him that I am NOT an `nobody``
-grudge holder buttercup
priests are human
Submitted by Agnostic on Fri, 09/02/2011 - 12:05pm.
not only that but they are just as varied in personality as humans outside of Catholicism. In this case - some are more amiable or at least less terse in their expression.
As an outsider that has some experiences working with various church administrations it has always been my impression that the priests that do the most physical work in their involvement with the community are the happiest and best capable of dealing with the public in a gracious and open manner. Those that seem to be less involved (hands-on) have usually come across as condescending and sometimes arrogant. But people are different and there is no shortage of varieties in personalities in any large group.
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Agnostic, Well said! I
Submitted by Liberallies on Sat, 09/03/2011 - 9:41am.
Agnostic,
Well said!
I think people forget that priests are humans full of all the good things and bad things that all humans are filled with. Some have bad tempers, some are the nicest and most incredible individuals one can find.
A friend of mine and I always joke about the parish we attend and the difference of character and demeanor of the priests who hear confession. There is one who you can tell him whatever, no matter how big or small the sin, the priest is patient, quiet, serene, gives you advice which is short and to the point.
Then there is another priest which you could have done the smallest and silliest thing, but the priest is loud, comes across as very upset at you it is like the wrath of God comes through his confessional.
I have seen it so frequently, when a priest or a Catholic makes a mistake, people will blame the whole Church for it and forget that the Church is much more, WAY more than that individual that might have hurt you.
and I think Model, is right. The priest more likely ment that Buttercup was non-denominational.
We live in a world where we take everything way too personal! (I include myself in this).
Buttercup
Submitted by Model850 on Fri, 09/02/2011 - 4:59pm.
I wasn't there so I don't know the tone of voice used by the priest, but when I read "...he said so you're a nothing" my immediate interpretation was, "So you're not a Baptist or a Lutheran or an Episcopalian or any denomination. You're nothing."
Maybe he just was emphasizing that you claimed no denomination -- you are "nothing" -- but worded it awkwardly?
As I said, I didn't hear the tone of voice. And by the way, I am not Catholic so I have no ax to grind trying to defend a priest's actions.
Zippers never misses an opportunity.
Submitted by SickofLibs on Thu, 09/01/2011 - 5:22pm.
Except while he's on "hiatus."
That's a stupid comment, the
Submitted by rbosque on Thu, 09/01/2011 - 6:18pm.
That's a stupid comment, the Church doesn't condone homosexuality. If a priest engaged in it then he sinned lake anyone else.
Well maybe
Submitted by buttercup815 on Thu, 09/01/2011 - 6:28pm.
It doesn't condone it..but sure does spend a lot of effort to cover it up!
http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/catholicchurchscandal/Catholic_Church...
Buttercup?
Submitted by Denny Crane on Thu, 09/01/2011 - 8:51pm.
Your trolling tactics are horrible, please go back trollie elementary school and come back in a few dozen years when you gradumate from at least the 6h grade. Please give the computer back to your aunt Steve. You can have it back when you learn how to troll properly.
Maybe you could even learn how to link properly, seriously? Political humor about dot com? My nine year old even thought that was a lame attempt.
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Buttercup, So did you raise
Submitted by LAM SON 719 on Fri, 09/02/2011 - 12:26am.
Buttercup,
So did you raise your gerbils to be catholic?
News flash for the libs
Submitted by katiejane on Thu, 09/01/2011 - 4:02pm.
The RCC pays more attention to what the Pope espouses as doctrine than to what a bunch of wannabie Catholics think the rules should be. Don't like what the Church believes? Become an Espicopalian.
I'm reminded of the trip
Submitted by celator on Thu, 09/01/2011 - 4:33pm.
I'm reminded of the trip Crackpot Pelosi made to the Vatican a while back to lecture the Pope on abortion. Liberal hubris and ignorance, all in one package.
Everything is OK, as long as you don't hurt anybody else.
Submitted by Kingfish17 on Thu, 09/01/2011 - 4:28pm.
Morgan would probably subscribe to the "Do whatever you want to, as long as you don't hurt anybody else" school of thought. This attitude may work to some degree in a strictly libertarian, secular sense, but this attitude has never been embraced by any religion. All religion has some morality components. Even the Ten Commandments comprise some exclusively moral ones, and if broken, would effect no one but the individual doing the breaking, (and that individual's relation to God, of course). Should some of the Ten Commandments evolve, because they are only "moral" in nature?
If Santorum was faster on his feet, he should have pointed out that America got past the election of a Catholic as President back in 1960, and that if elected President, Santorum's religious views would in no way effect how he would uphold the laws of the land, unlike Obama, who chooses to ignore laws that require deportation of illegal immigrants, among a host of others.
And unlike Obama, it's doubtful that Santorum would base his entire Presidency on preaching the opposite of the 10th Commandment: “You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's.”
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Kingfish, well said, it
Submitted by Liberallies on Thu, 09/01/2011 - 10:37pm.
Kingfish,
well said, it drives me crazy that too many in the GOP and Tea Party, when they go on interviews, do not think faster on their feet.
I know what you mean, but in
Submitted by ant on Fri, 09/02/2011 - 12:27am.
I know what you mean, but in their defense, it is hard to respond to statements that are just so.......bizarre. One example I noticed the other day;
A reporter ask the Governor (I believe) of New York about an intoxicated illegal immigrant with a past of DUI's that hit, dragged along, and then backed up over a citizen on a motorcycle. The answer basically, was, "Well, he would have been drinking and driving if he wasn't an alien, this is a DUI case, not an immigration case." Seriously, being forced to debate such a statement is insane. It's worse than Newspeak, it's other-worldly.
BTW, Morgan's "we live in the modern world, times change.." BS sounds like something right out of the devil's handbook.
Ant, While I can see and
Submitted by Liberallies on Fri, 09/02/2011 - 11:51am.
Ant,
While I can see and agree with your point. I think that these Righties have to think faster on their feet and answer like I have heard some good Right wingers answer the media, "Well, I do not accept the premise of your question. However..." and they turn the whole interview around and show the Leftist media personality that they are Liberal hacks.
Cheney's daughter is awesome at doing this and eats the media people alive!
A good retort(and true too)
Submitted by KornKing on Thu, 09/01/2011 - 4:27pm.
Well Piers, at least with you, your views don't border on stupidity, they done crossed that line.
Let the Truth sink in, Velshi
Submitted by Galvanic on Thu, 09/01/2011 - 4:31pm.
VELSHI: "So if you didn't watch the interview, you just watched that second part, you may think it was a different interview."
Pardon me, but airing convenient pieces of interviews out of context is CNN's trademark.
Piers Morgan now qualifies as
Submitted by motherbelt on Thu, 09/01/2011 - 4:35pm.
Piers Morgan now qualifies as a "devout Catholic."
a "devout Catholic," mb
Submitted by Mike Bates on Thu, 09/01/2011 - 5:02pm.
Putting him on the same level as Teddy Kennedy. Don't know how many times I've heard the Kennedys referred to as devout Catholics.
I am confused
Submitted by John21 on Thu, 09/01/2011 - 4:37pm.
How can a bigot like Piers Morgan ask such a question of anyone? He does fit in well with the rest of the CNN crew though.
Piss Morgan, Bigot-in-Chief
Submitted by Motormouth KOS on Thu, 09/01/2011 - 4:44pm.
Just think how this vitriol is going to rise.
We're still 14 months away with no clear opponent for President Downgrade's brownshirts to attack
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Your views walk like bigotry and talk like bigotry
Submitted by CO2Maker on Thu, 09/01/2011 - 5:14pm.
... and even border on bigotry.
But in fairness to Piers "Fired for Editorial Misconduct" Morgan, he didn't say Santorum was a bigot, eh?
Santorum has a moral compass,
Submitted by ForeverOnTheRight on Thu, 09/01/2011 - 5:48pm.
Santorum has a moral compass, morally discerning. Human sexuality intrinsically is a moral issue, thus homosexuality is a moral issue. If you are intolerant or do not accept a moral failing/ sexual dysfunction are you a bigot? I have no evidence that Santorum hates homosexuals, that alone disqualifies him as a bigot.
Sexual preference may not be
Submitted by deerjerkydave on Thu, 09/01/2011 - 5:58pm.
Sexual preference may not be a choice, but sexual behavior most certainly is a choice. Sexual behavior, as outlined in the Bible, is only to be used within the bounds of marriage between man and wife. It doesn't matter whether you are gay or straight, if you're not married then you are expected to abstain from sexual behavior.
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"The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the Federal Government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State Governments are numerous and indefinite. -James MadisonI imagine Peirs will appear
Submitted by Dan The Man 2 on Thu, 09/01/2011 - 6:31pm.
I imagine Peirs will appear before Jesus and say "Lord, Lord" and Jesus will say "I knew you not"
Morgan is a deranged brainwashed fool
Submitted by russedav on Thu, 09/01/2011 - 6:38pm.
whose irrational notions about calling perversion normal are refuted by "The gay invention" at http://touchstonemag.com/archives/article.php?id=18-10-036-f with modern decimation of our morals jurisprudence by fascist pervert Kinsey exposed at www.DrJudithReisman.org.
Even shrinks, whose profession I do not respect, in view of Freudian fraud, are now regretting its removal from their list of mental illnesses, especially in view of the crass political versus scientific nature of activism by perverts to get it removed, typical for these fascist antiChristian bigots who lawlessly reject authority like Morgan does.
And a Muslim is WHO to lecture anyone on Christianity?
Submitted by drsamherman on Thu, 09/01/2011 - 8:10pm.
Ali has absolutely no room to criticize anybody on a Catholic or Christian viewpoint when his own faith encourages brutality against women, murder of "infidels" and the stone-age system of Sharia law.
Opps
Submitted by Boudin on Thu, 09/01/2011 - 8:37pm.
I am new here
U.S. Constitution
Submitted by Mary De Voe on Thu, 09/01/2011 - 10:32pm.
The U. S. Constitution forbids a religious test for political candidacy. So, why is Santorum being grilled publicly for his religious beliefs? It galls me no end that our politicians and politically correct culture cannot read our Declaration of Independence and our U.S Constitution. Haven't they sworn to uphold the U.S. Constitution? Lying under oath is still perjury even if one does not get caught.
Government has so far reached into man's conscience and man's response to the gift of Faith from God, so that nothing is sacred and beyond the intrusion, disrespect and manipulation of people who are supposed to be our public servants.
homosexuality
Submitted by Mary De Voe on Thu, 09/01/2011 - 10:45pm.
Homosexuality is arrested development. There is nothing sexual about homosexual behavior. It is assault and battery on both sides, ignoring the immortal soul of the supposed "beloved" by the "lover". It seems to me, that if Piers Morgan cared about anybody's immortal soul, he would be in favor of denying favorable status to any behavior harmful to eternal life. so, Maybe Piers Morgan is a closet atheist.
"Homosexuality is arrested
Submitted by amyshulk on Fri, 09/02/2011 - 8:32am.
"Homosexuality is arrested development" That's an interesting theory, but how do you reconcile gay conservatives?
Ronald Reagan
Pompous Lefties
Submitted by HardRightTurn on Thu, 09/01/2011 - 11:45pm.
What is the saying? something like: Judge not, lest ye be judged.
If the purpose of appearing on these leftist shows is to prove you can put up with being battered by self-righteous, sanctimonious brow-beaters, then why bother. They sure as hell don't treat Democrats that way.
To more fully comprehend the Left, one must read “Leftism As Psychopathy” by John Ray, M.A., Ph.D. Caution, it might scare you a little bit.
http://jonjayray.tripod.com/psycho.html
There's nothing more
Submitted by talkradio55 on Fri, 09/02/2011 - 10:30am.
There's nothing more despicable than a liberal trying to rewrite Christian doctrine to fit their deluded worldview. This election appears to be shaping up to be a religious war between Christianity (Catholic, Protestant, Orthodox) and the reprobates of the Left. They want to pretend to be Christian while not having to actually live any of the tenets. Us real Christians (people who believe the Bible and live its commandments) have to stand up and smite the Left (figuratively, of course) on November 6, 2012. Christians need to stand up and be counted!
I like Piers Morgan, even
Submitted by Kenyon Schraeder on Fri, 09/02/2011 - 1:16pm.
I like Piers Morgan, even though he's highly opinionated, brash, boorish, often rude, condescending and politically biased - but only because he is willing to speak his mind directly to a person, face-to-face and not just spew it to an inanimate camera lens only to flip-flop or shrink backwards afterward. As a Brit, he has both the chutzpah and the poise to do what he does.
That's a refreshing albeit small change of pace in the leftist media, even if I don't especially agree with his politics, statements or position. And unlike "Tingles McMatthews", Morgan is "intellectually honest" with his opinions in that he is ready to defend them even if he's alone in an opinion.
So, the teaching of the Church...
Submitted by Plumb Bob on Fri, 09/02/2011 - 5:21pm.
...should be dictated by the drift of public opinion, according to Piers Morgan.
This is nothing more or less than the declaration that the Church does not represent God. Mr. Morgan should stop calling himself Catholic if he genuinely believes that.
The more reasonable thing, of course, is that if the Church represents the will of God, then its opinion should not change with public opinion, but instead should attempt to influence it.
The notion that a doctrine can be true in 1600 but false in 2011 is no different from the notion that a doctrine can be true on Monday but false on Thursday.