CNN: Overseas There's 'An Awful Lot of Skepticism About Sarah Palin'

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With Barack Obama losing his lead in a variety of polls, CNN anchor John Roberts on American Morning today decided to look elsewhere for encouragement.  He and CNN London correspondent Becky Anderson, with the bottom of the screen announcing, "The world wants Obama," looked at a BBC poll showing that, at least among foreigners, Obama is still a superstar:

ROBERTS: It has been said that politics is a popularity contest. And according to a new BBC Poll, Barack Obama is more popular among people overseas. CNN's Becky Anderson is looking at the poll results for us this morning. She is live right there by Carnaby Street in London.

Good morning to you, Becky.

BECKY ANDERSON, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Good morning, John.

You're absolutely right. An overwhelming majority of the 22,000 people who are polled across 22 countries around the world favor an Obama presidency. Now, let's be honest. Obama did have an advantage going into this campaign as far as the rest of the world is, was and will be concerned, John. It's anybody but Bush. And by dent of association, therefore, anyone but John McCain.

So, let's take a look at these numbers, shall we. And see what's surprising about them. What isn't surprising is you get something like an 82 percent approval rating for Obama. In Kenya, for example, is where many of his siblings, step siblings, members of his family live. They like, know Obama. They like him, they know him, and know a lot about him, and they want him for presidency.

Perhaps more surprisingly, John, is when you look at the numbers from NATO allies. For example Canada, France, Germany, good approval rating of over 50 percent for Obama. And these are people who dealt with the Bush administration in the past and are looking for international affairs, foreign policy and experience in both of those. So, that's where perhaps the numbers are a bit more surprising.

Anderson then mentioned that in 2004 Monsieur John Kerry also enjoyed substantial foreign support, although not quite as much as The One.  The report continued: 

ROBERTS: So, Becky, overseas, President Bush has got very long coattails that John McCain seems to be attached to. But here in the United States, John McCain is presenting himself as an agent of change now. He's going back to that maverick attitude that he had back in the year 2000, and it's starting to work among some independents. Is there anything he can say to change opinion worldwide?

ANDERSON: It's interesting, isn't it? I wondered whether there might be, a few weeks ago, until he took Sarah Palin on to the ticket. That's been interesting to see people react to Sarah Palin and John McCain as an item, because there's an awful lot of skepticism about Sarah Palin.

When you hear words like creationism, when you hear words like -- or phrases like, I don't support the arguments for global warming, for example, it's arguments like that and it's a Sarah Palin ticket, I think, which is, to a certain extent hurting John McCain.

There really isn't very much, it seems, that he can say or do at this point, even on foreign policy interestingly enough -- John.

ROBERTS: We should point out, though, that only people in the United States, people who are Americans, get the opportunity to vote. But it's interesting to look at that worldwide opinion. Becky Anderson for us this morning. Becky, thanks very much.

Roberts's question asking if there's anything McCain can do to change foreign opinion is revealing.  In a world that harbors substantial anti-Americanism, why should a candidate for the United States presidency worry about the paper tiger of overseas opinion?

According to Anderson, the deal breaker for McCain was when Sarah Palin joined the ticket.  Foreigners may not have cheered, but Americans certainly have.  Perhaps, like some in the mainstream media here, people overseas object to her not having traveled to Europe or not even appearing on "Meet the Press."

Concluding by pointing out that only Americans get to vote for president suggests Roberts must not have much respect for his viewers' intelligence.  That's rather common knowledge.  Or maybe it just annoys him that foreigners can't help determine our elections.  


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Obama

"The world wants Obama,"

Fine by me.  Do they have an address we can ship to?  I'll pay freight.

Go MU!

Return to sender

Do they have an address we can ship to?  I'll pay freight.

A generous offer, but I think they want him messing up the US, not their countries.

allow me to love

allow me to love America

one world under BHO?? USA  is just the 1st??

this would be funny, if i was sure  he is not a Radical Muslim.

 

damn, i must admit the MSM

damn, i must admit the MSM truly is supporting the Repubs now everyday, albeit completely un-intentionally...

we really don't want to know WHAT ELSE is "popular overseas" thanks anyway pollsters 

Journalism is the opium of the liberals

Maybe obama should run for

Maybe obama should run for president in Europe somewhere.

Yeah, he couldn't do too

Yeah, he couldn't do too much more harm over there.   ;^)

 

"... smells like... victory." - Robert Duvall

Europe doesn't need O-Force One

I'm afraid Europe is off the ship-to list, people. We'll have to think of another continent.

Most of Europe already has a cradle-to-grave government handout system in place, and a radical Islamic-appeasing policy in place as well.

 

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Governor Palin Get Your Gun

 

That's why he'd be such a

That's why he'd be such a good fit for them, Shy.

He'd be... <sigh>... home!

 

"... smells like... victory." - Robert Duvall

Homeward Bound

Indiana Joe...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs_YQ6JuNpA 

Maybe this could be the Ears/Plugs'08 swan song in November?

 

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Governor Palin Get Your Gun

 

or he could win the

or he could win the tora-bora region in a heartbeat... 

Journalism is the opium of the liberals

That wouldn't work well

As most European countries are electing pro american and pro BUSH leaders.

 

 

Palin has accomplished great things, while Obama has continued to make empty promises that the world owes you a living.

It just KILLS these people, too!

"We should point out, though, that only people in the United States, people who are Americans, get the opportunity to vote."

Gee, thanks for reminding us, MSM. Because, y'know,... we're STOOOPID!!! What unbridled, insane, arrogant hubris! 

Who cares what "the world" thinks? What does that have to do with our election? Remember, it's a crime, a sin, for us to "interfere" in the "internal workings" of other governments.

This really does keep getting better and better every single day. They just can't stop drinking the kool-aid!

 

"... smells like... victory." - Robert Duvall

IJ....ditto!!

took the words right out of my mouth.....spot on!!! 

"If a man does his best, what else is there"?

General George S. Patton Jr.

Drinking problem, Indiana

They just can't stop drinking the kool-aid!

Or stop mixing up a new batch every day.

We should point out,

We should point out, though, that only people in the United States, people who are Americans, get the opportunity to vote.

Which leads me to ask what I asked before, when they published a poll saying Europeans wanted Obama to win:

Why the Hell even go over there and do a poll!!!

Do they think any American is going to change his/her vote because of this?

All they care about is having one more reason to badmouth Republicans.

 

Obama is popular overseas? Who gives...

...the south end of a north bound horse what these morons think?

Once again, the MSM falls right in behind the aftermath of Osama Bama's "World Appeasement Tour".  

Yep, just like the old sci/fi movies when the aliens were moving in, the battle cry was "maybe we can communicate with them" - then they were blown to smithereens!  

Good to see Osama doing so well in the 57 states of Europe!

"The sun's not going down, the horizon's moving up!" - Firesign Theatre

"Can't we all just get along?"

Ack, ack, ack ack ack

ZAPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP

Mars Attacks

And in addition to that, Prester John...

It will soon be at a theatre near you!

"The sun's not going down, the horizon's moving up!" - Firesign Theatre

Clearly his overwhelming

Clearly his overwhelming poularity in Germany is paying big dividends for his US campaign this fall so far... oh wait... nevermind.

 

"Look, when Keith anchors, he plays it straight down the line.”
-MSNBC President Phil Griffin

http://www.xanga.com/mikeknaj

...euroappeasers hate

...euroappeasers hate Bush, salivating at the thought of an Obama lapdog - controlled by the EU...

plays well with the MSM/DNC apparently

and they say Bush is out of touch and lives in a bubble

OMG 

Journalism is the opium of the liberals

The world wants Obama?

That's fantastic! Let him run for office in some other country, then.

Really reaching now...

This is hilarious. There must be war rooms of liberals sitting around all day brainstorming for anything they can possibly use to prop up Obama. As far as I'm concerned, Obama can be King of the world... He just can't be President of the United States.

How Does NK Feel?

What ever happened to 'CHANGE'?

JDW


DAILY WAVE

These polls are rubbish and

These polls are rubbish and trash as the world does not vote WE DO.

 

Our TV personalities to even discuss it is ludicrous.

That adds up to zero

That adds up to zero electoral votes.  What a waste of time.

an observation

The vast majority of people all over the world who are in situations that they would prefer to be different, either economic or political, would like to come to the USA to make that change. It's mostly because we are so different from the majority of the world. Compared to most other countries, people do have the ability to do anything that they want to here, they are treated well and respectfully by most and there is generally no stigma associated with who your ancestors were. Given the chance, at no cost to them, most people would jump at the opportunity to come to America and start a new life.

So, when the rest of the world wants us to pick a political 'leader' who owuld bring this great country closer to the reality of Europe, we should be very careful and ask ourselves do we really want to fit in and be part of that 'group' or should we continue on the independant course that makes America such a magnet to those who want a second chance?

 

The day that "politician" became a career choice is the day we started losing the Republic. Let's get it back! Alan Keyes '08.

Only in America

Given the chance, at no cost to them, most people would jump at the opportunity to come to America and start a new life.

So true.  A couple of family members have extensively traveled and the most common question they get is, Do you know how I can move to the US?

PERFECT!

"So, when the rest of the world wants us to pick a political 'leader' who owuld bring this great country closer to the reality of Europe, we should be very careful and ask ourselves do we really want to fit in and be part of that 'group' or should we continue on the independant course that makes America such a magnet to those who want a second chance?"

Perfectly said, c5then!

 

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Very informative and

Very informative and convincing peice of journalism. I now am 100% positive of my choice for president, If the world wants Obama, then they can have him, as America is the greatest country in the world obviosly WE are doing something right that THEY are not. My vote goes for McCain/Palin.

In Kenya, for example, is

In Kenya, for example, is where many of his siblings, step siblings, members of his family live. They like, know Obama.

and wish he might send them $10

In Kenya

In Kenya, for example, is where many of his siblings, step siblings, members of his family live. They like, know Obama.and wish he might send them $10

Or maybe let 'em sleep in the basement of his million dollar mansion on Chicago's south side.

Oh Johnny...go cry me a

Oh Johnny...go cry me a river...who gives a rats rear what the rest of the world thinks...

Nobody but you desperate losing fools in the msm who are losing their minds with fear and desperation in your melt-down mode...

Here is the latest of what Americans think...and this is going to change before the election too...in our favor...you know, the guys on the right side of life.

Btw...I see where msnbc and CNN like to keep showing Mt. as a toss-up state, if you look at the polls here...Palin/McCain are up 9 pts.

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

Next Week

Rangel will be sent to the beautiful beaches of tax free Bermuda to campaign for Obama. Gore will fly to France, Bubba will visit China, and Barney will meet Elton in London.

JDW


DAILY WAVE

JDW... I just wonder if

JDW...

I just wonder if anything is going to happen to Rangel...I wonder if he is going to step down from his committee...the repubs should be demanding this.

I saw an article on Roll Call about a lot more involvement concerning sleaze that he is getting away with...it is something else all he has got away with for years..

I may look it up later...post it somewhere here. 

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

Step Down?

Under Pelosi?

Jefferson? Biden? Reid? The swimmer? ...

Taxpayer presumed guilty until proven innocent. Rangel on the other hand...

JDW


DAILY WAVE

What the world wants for the USA? No thanks

If I were part of the liberal media, I would stifle the news that Obama is a world favorite. When you're the lone super power, the rest of the world would be happy to see you decline and even better fall. This poll speaks to how much a Pres Obama would hurt our economy, military, and national security.

Yeah ChrisMills,

Yeah ChrisMills, AND....

Going with this idiotic, WHO-GIVES-A-FLYING F- survey/poll of non-Americans harkens back to his "World Tour", which has bad connotations now. He jumped the shark with that trip, after which the mocking of him as "rock star" and his slide in the polls really kicked in.

 

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Governor Palin Get Your Gun

 

just maybe, as the most

just maybe, as the most prosperous and powerful nation on the planet, where everyone wants to move, we could really use some governing advice from other countries!!! 

Journalism is the opium of the liberals

So was Marx

"And according to a new BBC Poll, Barack Obama is more popular among people overseas."

So was Karl Marx, and look how that turned out! Can you say The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics? Sorry, BBC, we don't want America to become another failed country.

BTW, how's that Constitutional Monarchy thing working out for you? I hear that your trading in your national sovereignty for membership in the European Union. Perhaps you should ask Obama to run for President of the Counsel of the European Union come January. We all know that he’ll be available.

Obama: My job is above my pay grade

Ann Coulter had it right...

What was the title of her last book? "If Democrats Had Brains, They'd Be Republicans".  Well if Europeans had brains, they'd be Americans.  I'm sick of hearing "Bush squandered all the good will post 9/11.....".  The "world" pitied (i.e., "good will") us because on that day the US was a wounded puppy.  Well, that didn't last long and when the US went on the offense the "good will" (i.e., pity) was suddenly "squandered".  Now, we have two pit-bulls, one with lipstick - I'm surprised at "12%".

Most of the Europeans who

Most of the Europeans who had brains did in fact become Americans and thus removed themselves from the local gene pool. Evolution works on long timescales, so it'll take a while for the recovery.

"An overwhelming majority

"An overwhelming majority of the 22,000 people who are polled across 22 countries around the world favor an Obama presidency."

Who did the poll anyway?  I never heard of 22,000 people being polled.  Over what period of time did it take to accomplish this?

BTW...........  YOU CAN HAVE HIM!!!!!!!

Funny given how most of

Funny given how most of these people wouldn't vote for someone of African descent in their own countries.

More Stupid Journalism Tricks

Hey, MSM: The world doesn't vote for our President!  This is just another stupid journalism trick, an act of desperation by an arrogant media that has long supported uber-liberal candidates (McGovern, Carter, Mondale, Dukakis, Clinton, Gore, Kerry, and now Obama).   

Who the hell cares what the

Who the hell cares what the Europeans or anyone else thinks. When Barry runs for the president of the world, Their imput might matter.

Yea, let's listen to the failures of leadership

"Perhaps more surprisingly, John, is when you look at the numbers from NATO allies."

Sorry CNN, but I don't think that I really want France, Germany, and the rest of Europe to pick our leaders for us. After all, we seem to keep pulling their collective asses out of the fires of history every generation or two.

If the Europeans want Obama, then it's obvious that WE DON’T, as European history doesn't speak well for supporting successful leaderships! Remember WWI and WWII? Remember the centuries of warfare the Europeans seemed to enjoy. Remember the starvation, the despair, the suffering, the mass starvations, the plagues, the death that the leaders of Europe have inflicted on their "subjects" since the dawn of civilization? This is the type of leadership favored by Europeans.

America has done more in the last 100 years to advance and protect human life and expand general prosperity than the rest of the word has accomplished in the last 5000 years, especially Europe. If I were Obama, I'd distance myself from the Europeans as much as possible.

Obama: My job is above my pay grade

Now, that's a good sign ...

Now, that's a good sign ... considering most Euro-types loved Stalin & Hitler. 

The world is jealous of USA

Of course they would love to see Obama. They want the USA to fail and become socialistic like them. Obama will lead to that.

EU....PU

I wonder what Reagan's poll numbers were overseas in 1980? Of course they're skeptical....they only hear the MSM. I'd be skeptical, too.

We should point out,

We should point out, though, that only people in the United States, people who are Americans, get the opportunity to vote. But it's interesting to look at that worldwide opinion.

No its not. It just gives you liberal types something to talk about.

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

Well shoot...

....if Paolo, Hans, Jacques, Sven, and Pavel want Obama to be president, I guess I'm just going to have to change my vote, now, aren't I?

"We're Americans.  With a capital A, huh?                    
You know what that means?  Do you? That means that our forefathers were kicked out of every decent country in the world."

--Winger (Bill Murray) in "Stripes"

Amen to that.

 

Obama vs. McCain

What to people REALLY think about Obama and McCain?

 Take our survey and help us find out...

 http://sitemaker.umich.edu/jginges2

In the interest of fairness...

I am going to poll the moth population under my porch light tonight.

It's just as important as this euro-poll, actually more so, because they are AMERICAN MOTHS.

ps: Hey Europe, enjoy that sharia law thing, K?

One Voter's Perspective

I consider myself a deliberate moderate.  I'm not as socially conservative as some on the right are, but I am certainly not as liberal economically as the left is.  But I think given what has transpired in the last 30 years, the need for intelligent regulation of business is obvious.  I'm an idealist, but I temper my idealism with rational thought about how well-intentioned actions impact the real world.

Anyhow, having laid out a very brief outline of my political leanings, I'm left with a difficult this election.  Neither candidate fits my beliefs exactly, but I frankly fear the economic socialism of the left more than I do the social conservatism of the right.  Honestly, I don't think the right can really get what it wants, at least its more extreme views, and that makes me less nervous about a Republican president.Early on, I admit, I kind of bought into the Obama personality cult, but as the campaign has progressed, I realize that while he may be a good person to have a beer with, he's not the right person to be President of the US.  He doesn't seem to react well under pressure, and his mantra of "change" is very hollow since his version of change is just typical Democratic Party talking points.  And whatever happened to the "uniter" tag he had?  What has he done to bring the country together?  Hogwash.  Anyway, here are some random thoughts on this election:

1.      The media is disgustingly biased.  The View rips McCain and questions his "reformer" credentials but never gives Obama the same scrutiny about his "change" platform.  The media rips Palin for daring to be religious, for going to a "certain" kind of church, but gives Obama a pass on the hate-filled church he went to for years.  The media questions Palin's experience, but does no equal digging into Obama's "resume" of community organizer and 3-year Senator without any executive experience.  Charlie Gibson and the NYT can't wait to make Palin look bad, and when given the chance to interview Obama, they ask him how he puts up with the RNC attacks instead of pushing him to give specifics on his "change" platform.  I can go on and on, but the evidence is clear.  The left knows it and they don't even try to dispute it anymore.  They are just happy that the MSM is on their side. 

2.      Palin seems really well put together.  And if, like me, you might be worried a little bit by her social conservatism, I suggest you look at her record.  Look at how she has governed.  It seems clear based on that record that she doesn't push government intrusion into peoples' personal lives.  That, of course, is a rational objective review of her.  Contrast that with the so-called "pro-women" libs who are foaming at the mouth to discredit her.  Apparently "firsts" only count if they are liberals.

3.      McCain seems to be an honorable man, and would make a good president.  BTW, remember not that long ago when he was the darling of the MSM because he was the "maverick"?  Remember how excited they were that he might run with Kerry?  That all ended when he became the Rep nominee for president.  Remind you of Bush's "they are either with us or against us" approach that the lib media panned?

4.      We need real leadership to deal with the financial crisis in this country.  Sorry, but I happen to think a former POW who has championed many pieces of important legislation is just a little more of a leader than a "community organizer".  I cannot believe that we would even seriously debate that.

Anyhow, as of today, I'm in McCain's camp.  I don't see myself changing because if there is one thing I can't stand it's blatant unfairness, and the media's ridiculous, biased, fawning, campaigning efforts on Obama's behalf really cannot be allowed to succeed.  That would be the end of objective journalism - and thus TRUE freedom of the press - in this country.

 

Question

Do  you see McCain or Palin running on Social Conservatism?

Both of them want to reform Washington, lower taxes and make it easier to get in and stay in business.

You make good points just adding something.

Palin has accomplished great things, while Obama has continued to make empty promises that the world owes you a living.

Well, to be fair, part of

Well, to be fair, part of the RNC platform is explicitly anti-gay marriage and for overturning Roe v. Wade.  I don't think gay marriage ever will - or should be - a federal issue, but it still bothers me that they push this stuff.  I'm not 100% certain I'm for "marriage" as defined, perhaps more of a "civil union" kind of guy, but still, the Rep gay-hating bothers me.  (I'm not saying everyone who opposes gay marriage is a homophobe, but that philosophy is obviously the main reason this is in the platform.)  I give this view a 0% chance of having any impact at the federal level, however.

Given the ability to appoint several justices, however, Roe v. Wade *could* be overturned.  I think both the pro-life and pro-choice positions are equally extreme, but I'm not in favor of turning this back to the states.  I understand the arguments on both sides, but I don't think this issue is worth tearing the country apart.  There are a lot more important issues, IMO.  Regardless, I think McCain is moderate in the extreme and is not likely to put any obviously anti-Roe/Wade people on the court, and as pro-status quo as the Supreme Court usually is, I don't see them ever taking this step.  Which is why I said IMO this social conservatism is unlikely to ever become law.

And, no, I don't hear either McBain (sp intended) or Palin talking this stuff up, but it is part of the platform.  I agree with you that they are running on reforming Washington, and lowering taxes, both of which are good things.  But I have heard this before.  I want to see reduced spending ALONG with tax cuts.  No one, even Reagan, ever did that.  So I am hoping that McCain comes through on this.  Obama doesn't even mention this, so there is no chance of him pulling it off.

90% agree

I'll break a few things down here.

I don't think gay marriage ever will - or should be - a federal issue,
but it still bothers me that they push this stuff.  I'm not 100%
certain I'm for "marriage" as defined, perhaps more of a "civil union"
kind of guy

Societal structure demands typical "normal" relationships.  I don't think it should be the federal government that explicitly dictates such behavior, but let's be perfectly honest.  Part of the reason the Roman and Greek empires fell was because of their abnormal sexual behavior that didn't create a strong cohesive family unit.

Abortion is related to this.  I don't think it should be banned outright, again that is not the job of the federal government according to the constitution.  Roe Vs. Wade should be overturned and turned over to the states.  Some states (like Illinois) will put no restrictions on it.  Some states will outright ban it.  Some will find a happy medium, that serves common sense and science.  

Would you say that the constitution protects an individual's right to life?  Well, scientifically the baby in the womb is an individual some time after the 11th week.  That is when the brain and heart are fully functioning.  But again let's be perfectly honest.  The baby is a human from the moment of conception, at that point it's not like the individual is going to turn into a giraffe, or a zebra or a rock.

Where I do agree with you is that Social Conservatism like it's hyper liberalism aim to change the federal government to meet their own aims.  I disagree with this movement.

I really REALLY hope that McCain and Palin follow through with their statements of reforming government.  We know what we'll get with Obama, a marxist who wants MASSIVE increases in the size and scope of government.  We don't want that, regardless of our agreements or disagreements on social conservatism.

Palin has accomplished great things, while Obama has continued to make empty promises that the world owes you a living.

Social conservatism

1.      On homosexuality, I will tell you that I have known quite many gay couples in my life and many (perhaps most) have a more normal, nurturing, moral family structure than some straight couples.  I'm more concerned about morals slipping that have a direct impact on how society functions as a trusting, caring, efficient unit.  Typical classical virtues such as honesty, integrity, responsibility, love, etc (see Aristotle for more).  I think you'd be hard pressed to show that homosexuality brought down the Greek Empire, especially since it existed from the beginning of Greek society.  I think we'd all agree that pederasty is wrong because of the ability to consent on the part of the youth, but for two consenting adults, I don't see a problem and never will.  Free choice, and this choice should not be discriminated against by society.  In actuality, there should not be any government special status attached to marriage IMO, which would make this debate moot.  All should be treated equally by the law.

2.      I will agree that abortion should be illegal after a certain time, and that time is when the fetus develops a functioning brain and brain activity starts.  While I understand that argument that the human embryo at conception has the ability to become a "full" human being, it is not yet by definition a "full" human being, and that does not trump a person's right to do what they choose with their body IMO.  I think the point where society draws the line is highly debatable, but I think the idea that a person should have a right to do what they want with their own body, all the way up to (and not including) the point that it infringes on a conscious human life, ought to be protected by the constitution.  That would be easily covered under the 9th Amendment, where a British right to privacy can be inferred in the American constitution.  And this view really isn't reflected by either the pro-life or the pro-choice positions (e.g. partial birth abortion, born alive legislation, complete illegalization of abortion, etc.)

Regards,

CC

Debate, etc

I've enjoyed the debate too, but the key is to try to be open minded and not to be condescending.

1) While you make some good points there, it still has a huge hole which is connected to point 2)

Would you say that European and Russian societies largely accepted abortion and homosexuality?  Look at them now, they have HUGE negative population growth and will soon be replaced by "stronger" family based cutlures like Islam.  (now I don't agree with the Islamic culture, but it does have stronger family values).

If the greeks celebrated heterosexuality and having large families the way we Americans USED TO, don't you think their culture would still be around?  Part of what makes a culture continue to be around, is the large family unit.  And while ANY human being is capable of showing love, only one type (heterosexual) of family unit is capable of continuing society.

Am I wrong?  I think the evidence is pretty clearly laid out in the declination of cultures in Europe that have more openly embraced abortion and homosexuality.

as per the fetus, the "consciousness" argument is also sort of weak.  Would you say that someone in a coma is "not conscious", because atm they are not able to speak for one's self interest?  No one would seriously suggest we start killing off people in a coma because they can't "think".  

But there are varying states of consciousness that one can be in, like Terri Schiavo.  Now, she required a feeding tube, but she also appeared to be cognizant of when her family was in the room.  Her family was perfectly willing to take care of her, but the state deemed that her husband had the right to take her life.

I think that the reality is that many women are forced into abortion the same way.  The man/sperm donor, doesn't want to or isn't ready to be a father and therefore pressures the woman into making a decision she later regrets.  This happens alot of the time with abortion, and alot of states made abortion illegal for this reason, in the 20's.

But let's head back to the fetus at conception now that I've covered "consciousness"  (which I think we both would agree shouldn't be left up to the state to decide.)

So you have this point of conception where the sperm and the egg combine their chromosomes to create a new, and unique life force.  At that point there IS no other possibility for that life force.  It's fate to become a human (man or woman) is sealed.  There's nothing spirtual about it, as much as the far left would like to make it so.  You can't take your skin and clone yourself, and even if you did, it wouldn't be a unique individual it would be a clone of yourself.

The reason the left pushes abortion and homosexuality is to clearly breakdown of family values.  Again we need only venture overseas to see how well the embracement of said values has nearly broken down those societies and cultures.  They have made themselves a vacuum of relativism and will be overcome in the next 30 years.  Of that there is no doubt.

Now, we may not be able to _directly_ prove that the greeks embracing of homosexuality (and to a degree pederasty) caused the downfall of their society, I will argue that it made their cultural life line weaker.  It was only the stronger cohesive family based cultures that survived those times and transmitted themselves to the present day.

Palin has accomplished great things, while Obama has continued to make empty promises that the world owes you a living.

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Mbuel, Thanks for an interesting discussion.  Most postings on BBSs now are nothing but screaming and rants.  I quite enjoy this.

 

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Mbuel, Thanks for an interesting discussion.  Most postings on BBSs now are nothing but screaming and rants.  I quite enjoy this.

 

2 things you need to know about that article

1. The MSM has reached the point where NONE of the major US poll the MSM can cite show Obama ahead.  So rather than do that, they instead cite "world" polls that are irrelevant (but allow them to not cover the fact that McCain/Palin is ahead).

2.  Just ONCE, i wish a reporter would ask these Europeans who keep blaming the US for not signing on to the global warming bandwagon why none of the EU nations are meeting the Kyoto Accords themselves.

 

Who cares?!

When the rest of the world gets the right to vote in our election then maybe I'll care what they think.  Then again, maybe not.

I'd bet that the vast majority of them don't even know what the VP's responsibilities are.

 

"Fight the good fight every moment
It's your only way"  Triumph

Kerry

http://www.guardian....

Kerry had the EXACT same numbers before the election in 2004.  Did the fact that the world fawned over Kerry help him win?  NO YOU LIBERALS.  Pull your mind out of the pretzel logic you've wrapped yourself in.  How is nominating someone EVEN MORE LEFT THAN KERRY, and EVEN LESS ELEQUENT, going to get him elected?


BECAUSE THE WORLD loves charismatic marxists?

At this point why do we trust the European's opinions on leadership anyways?

Palin has accomplished great things, while Obama has continued to make empty promises that the world owes you a living.

President of the EU

When the "citizen of the world" runs for President of the European Union, then Europe's opinion of him will matter. Since we haven't been connected to Europe at least since July 4, 1776, their opinion of any of our candidates for any office is irrelevant to me.

Honestly

Europeans shouldn't worry about what they think of the US.  Europe should be concerned about what the US thinks of them.

"Our liberties we prize and our rights we will maintain." Official Motto of the State of Iowa

maybe they'll ask us who

maybe they'll ask us who they should elect as their chiefs in charge:)? 

Journalism is the opium of the liberals

What foreigners have for us

Dear friend in the USA. 

 Let me introduce myself.  I am the son of a high ranked govenmental official here in Kenya.  My father traveled extensively due to his high and important rank and fathered many children all over the world.. In fact you may know my exhalted half brother who is favored by all my countrymen to win your election.  I am contacting you since you are highly recommended to share  with me 100 million dollars which my esteemed father accumulated while he was doing services for our country.  Due to the technicality that he was beheaded on totally trumped up and unfair charges I need your bank account numbers so I can transfer the money to you. Please also to show your good faith send me $10,000.00 and be assured I will send the 100 million to you.and when I get to your country we will then share it equally. Many thanks your friend and partner in good fortune Hussein B. OsBama

Dear friend in the USA

This sounds mighty good, but I need to wait until after BO gets sworn in.  I figure by then we'll all be on some very generous welfare programs and I can get that 10 grand to you.

Very Amuzing

 I like the lighthearted nature of this batch of comments. I live in a liberal enclave in South Carolina and when I comment to folks about Palin I use the following politically neutral comment - If nothing else Palin's nomination is going to make things fun.

That's like reading Marx to become an entrepreneur.

Paranoia about Palin

The never ending smear campaign as exemplified by stories like this clearly shows not just a desperation on the part of the left but that by McCains selection of Govoner Pailin he has quite effectivly moved inside Obama's and the MSM's OODA loop.  Everytime the left takes a new shot at her she has already moved out of the way thus causing each new shot to be less effective than the previous one.  This at the same time allows the McCain campaign to launch new attacks of their own before the left has had a chance to react to the previous one.  Kind of like a Syrian Mig21 caught in a turning fight with an Israeli F16.... the outcome is inevitable.  Crashing and burning in flames and not even having seen where the kill shot came from.

"A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master and deserves one."

Alexander Hamilton

Oh for the love of...!

One of two things is the case here, and I'll let you all decide for yourselves.  Either:  A)  CNN is really filled with people so ignorant, so incompetent as to not realize that "An overwhelming majority of the 22,000 people" polled are not only uninterested in what is good for the US, but are actively in favor of anything leading to a decline in US power.  We go down, they go up.  Simple, if you've got more than one neuron.  B)  The folks at CNN are fully aware of the previous, and agree with said group's desires.  In short, they're morons, traitors, or both.  My money's on the last.

"It has been said that politics is a popularity contest. And according
to a new BBC Poll, Barack Obama is more popular among people overseas."  Great.  The opinion of the folks who aren't interested in the well-being of the US might matter if they could vote here.  They can't (thank God), so they don't, now shut up about it.

Obama must be in a really bad way if his alphabet-soup PR agencies feel the need to remind us that people irrelevant to the election love him.  Frankly, I don't give a rip whether or not the rest of the corrupt world loves BO.  What is right is rarely popular, and what is popular is rarely right.

www.daybydaycartoon.... Proving that conservative comedy is very real.

"With your mind as high as Mt. Fuji you can see all things clearly. And you can see all the forces that shape events; not just the things near to you." - Miyamoto Musashi

Because the MSM does a

Because the MSM does a completely miserable job reporting foreign news, I purchased a wifi radio and routingly listen to news broadcasts from all over the world. It's the only way I have of learning what's going on elsewhere.

My point is this: While the news from foriegn countries occasionaly mentions our presidential race, they are by no means obsessed with it. They have more than enough news in their own countries to report on.

At no time, not once, have I heard disparaging remarks about Gov. Palin, nor the other candidates, for that matter. They might report such and such a candidate said this or that, and that's about it. The BBC might go in somewhat further detail, but not much.

This insane idea that foreigners wring their hands over what we do or don't do, that they like us or don't like us belongs on the trash heap. They simply don't do that. They have more than enough issues in their own countries to worry about.

The major media report only half the news. Why are they surprised they have only half the potential audience?

You are right about this, Celator...

You are right about this, Celator: our press are so hellbent on pushing their world-view that the truth either gets lost or is left out. With worldwide MSM influence and ownership; allegiance is lost. The press would claim that they only owe allegiance to the truth, but it is their truth, not the truth.

Why not poll E.T. while we're at it...

Or has the MSM already done this and discovered McCain/Palin leading among extra-terrestrials, which is why we haven't heard about it?

<sarc off>

Of course, if word got out, I'm sure John Roberts would remind us that they can't actually vote...

Gibson/Obama (6/4/08) “Is the hardest part of this behind you or ahead of you?”

Gibson/Palin (9/11/08) “So what do you do about a nuclear Iran?"

 

Polling E.T.

I think we know what would happen if they did.

 Is Obama an alien abductee?