Last night the Reverend Rick Warren questioned Barack Obama and John McCain at California's Saddleback Church. Post forum coverage at CNN was hosted by network chief national correspondent John King.
He began by asking CNN senior political analyst Candy Crowley and network congressional correspondent Dana Bash for their impressions. Crowley found McCain to have been "very direct" while Bash observed the GOP candidate addressed the audience rather than Warren. Both stated that Obama was "nuanced" in his answers.
When King asked Bill Schneider, another CNN senior political analyst, for his take on the event, the word of the day shifted from nuanced to thoughtful:
SCHNEIDER: Each candidate used the opportunity I think to showcase his strengths. Barack Obama's answers were complex, thoughtful, very subtle. He stretched the theme of unity. He wants to be a unifier. And he stood by his principles on issues like abortion and gay rights. But he was respectful of people who disagree with him and said he would listen to people on the other side.
King later addressed a question to another guest:
KING: Tony Perkins, there perhaps as much as any question, the stylistic difference between these two men. More of an assertive, defiant, I will get evil from John McCain, and a more thoughtful, subdued answer from Barack Obama. Is one right and one wrong or are they just different?
Then we heard from yet another CNN senior political analyst, David Gergen:
GERGEN: In some ways, John McCain's night -- I think this is one of the issues at this point that will trouble people on the progressive side of politics and even perhaps some in the middle -- is he too forward looking on the use of force and sort of going out and looking for and beating back trouble in the world? Do we need someone who is more thoughtful, wants to work with others, a little more humble, not quite as self-righteous. And I think that's going to be a big, big question for voters.
Minutes later, Gergen again described Obama as thoughtful, just in case we missed it.
Also participating in the discussion was Roland Martin. He was identified as a mere CNN political analyst, but demonstrated he's definitely ready to move up in the organization:
MARTIN: John McCain keep the personal stories going, also toe the line from appeal to evangelicals, but also be very mindful of independents. Senator Barack Obama cut the long winded questions. His best segment tonight frankly was the last one where he gave the short, snappier answers where he was much more clear. He was still thoughtful. But also emphasize character, his family, his children, drive that home. That's going to be critical as opposed to relying just on issues.
That Obama is just so darn thoughtful. This isn't just CNN's judgment. Over at MSNBC, political director Chuck Todd noted that "every Obama answer was certainly thoughtful enough. . . " San Francisco Chronicle political writer Carla Maninucci writes that Obama "appeared more thoughtful and comfortable discussing faith and domestic issues, exploring with relish the issues and moral dilemmas with Warren." Dan Glaister, Los Angeles correspondent of the UK Guardian, reports: "Where Obama was thoughtful and cautious, McCain was abrupt - so abrupt in fact that his short responses meant he got to answer more questions in his hour than his rival."
I watched the forum and would describe many of Obama's responses as vague. Thoughtfulness, like beauty, apparently is in the eye of the beholder. At CNN and in other mainstream media outlets, they all behold it the same way.





















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Thoughtful of mush
August 17, 2008 - 11:37 ET by Mulligan22I found it uncomfortable to watch Obama. He just comes across as dull. He piles on the words when a short answer will do. In the end he says little. He appears to to be an amateur at this. Funny how he expressed Clarence Thomas not fit for his job. Mr. Obama, pot meet Kettle.
Bingo
August 17, 2008 - 12:23 ET by GregEYou said it right here..."He piles on the words when a short answer will do." Kinda like essay questions in school when I really didn't know what I was talking about. Just add fluff and supposedly the answer is more "thoughtful." That stood out to me, coupled with his trying to dance all over issues so as to not have to appear have strong core values. (Something Bush has always been called "stubborn" about)
And on Clarence Thomas, very interesting indeed. Now he can say "See, I'm not about race, I went negative on the black guy, so there!"
Baffling
August 17, 2008 - 12:31 ET by Jerry MackThis is called baffling them with B.S.
Yet another reason Sen. Obama will lose...
August 17, 2008 - 11:38 ET by JWFLess than a third of Americans have college degrees.
They want a President who can tell them how to get from point A to point B in a clear concise way.
Do they want a President that is complex and thoughtful and very subtle and subdued?
Historically, it has been a President that speaks softly, carries a big stick, and let's the buck stop there.
Very direct, assertive, defiant, too forward looking on the use of force and sort of going out and looking for and beating back trouble in the world? I did not know Ronald Reagan was running. I thought he had reached his 2 term limit and besides he has died. Ah, ok, I will still vote for him. They convinced me.
College degrees
August 17, 2008 - 11:45 ET by Michael M. BatesLess than a third of Americans have college degrees.
I don't know that having a college degree helps to cut through the BO jive.
I did not want to dilute my point.
August 17, 2008 - 11:59 ET by JWFIt seems a college degree comes ready made with a head full of propaganda now a days. They are churning out navel gazers who want sublety and nuance and subduction and complexity.
That is why they buy the Obama hype.
I am a fan of teh Mr. Bates. Like your stuff sir.
Dilution
August 17, 2008 - 12:01 ET by Michael M. BatesThey are churning out navel gazers who want sublety and nuance and subduction and complexity.
Not to mention $80k a year to start.
Gracias.
At great risk of getting further stuck...
August 17, 2008 - 12:35 ET by JWFAt great risk of getting further stuck in the mud of overgeneralization, I shall attempt to wade a little further.
Do the 2/3's of voters without a college degree want a President that is complex and thoughtful and very subtle and subdued?
Further refinement -
They (the collegres) are churning out (a lot of, but not all) (liberals with liberal arts degrees type) navel gazers who want sublety and nuance and subduction and complexity.
If Mr. Bates has a liberal arts degree, I am just going to wrap it up and go to bed now.
Boy did I bungle this one, not only did Mr. Bates think I was saying the opposite of what I was trying to say but I managed to insult him in the process. Good job JWF! Time to walk the dogs and do some navel gazing yourself.
Insulting, JWF
August 17, 2008 - 19:29 ET by Michael M. Bates. . . .but I managed to insult him in the process.
Trust me, it takes considerably more than that to insult me.
I appreciate your insightful comments.
I have the fix!
August 17, 2008 - 13:01 ET by JWFIt is called butter.
The colleges and universities I refer to are the type listed in David Horowitz' books, and the type that would employ the Noam Chompskies, William Ayers, and Ward Churhills.
I was most decidedly not referring to Mr. Bates' alma mater, (name college here), which is a fine fine wonderful academic institution!
Ward Churchill. Hmmm. I
August 17, 2008 - 13:58 ET by celatorWard Churchill. Hmmm. I think I saw him cleaning out the grease pit at a local diner recently.
The major media report only half the news. Why are they surprised they have only half the potential audience?
Speak for yourself
August 17, 2008 - 13:01 ET by hungarianfalconThere are plenty of us college-degree types that get sick of the hot air real quick. Some of us even have Ph.Ds.....
What it all boils down to is this:
For one party, an empty promise of "change" is enough to secure the nomination (unless Hillary has some real mojo up her sleave). For the other party, there must be some substance to that promise. The question is will one party's satisfaction w/an empty promise outweigh the demands of substance out of the other party.
HF
More butter
August 17, 2008 - 13:55 ET by JWFMy abject apologies for my over generalization, Mr. Hungarianfalcon.
I am also very assured the alma mater of Mr. Hungarianfalcon, (name college here), is a most fine and distinguished academic institution.
Don't forget that from
August 17, 2008 - 21:58 ET by Kenny BunkportDon't forget that from kindergarten through college graduation, students are hammered with "moral relativision". Being "educated" means that you examine all sides of the argument. You must go into each disagreement with the understanding that every viewpoint has the same legitimacy*. Moral certitude is something that only backwards religious freaks engage in.
Obama is merely showing that he is an educated man that rightfully doesn't have strong convictions.
*unless you believe abortion is wrong, everyone has the right to own a gun, or clever and ambitious people deserve to earn more money than slow and lazy people.
A gun in your hand beats a cop on the phone.
Deciphering Liberal Speak
August 17, 2008 - 11:46 ET by UpwayMcCain stammers: Confused
Obama stammers: Thoughtful
Confused vs, thoughtful
August 17, 2008 - 11:50 ET by Michael M. BatesBut, but. . . . they're CNN senior political analysts so they must know what they're talkin' about, right?
Obama "appeared more
August 17, 2008 - 11:46 ET by gopsteveObama "appeared more thoughtful and comfortable discussing faith
and domestic issues, exploring with relish the issues and moral
dilemmas with Warren."
More "thoughtful" than McCain. If McCain answered like that, it would be that he was "hesitant" or "distracted."
Also, BO completely dodged the "when does life begin." question, the msm must have missed that.
Also, on the "Evil" question, BO took his usual shots at USA while answering.
Obama's answers
August 17, 2008 - 11:51 ET by Michael M. BatesI liked the one about whom he'd depend on for advice. I guess typical white persons like Granny have a purpose after all.
your comment.
August 17, 2008 - 13:42 ET by Uncle DonGood work on this one...I yelled the same thing at the TV when he said it (good thing I was alone)....
Mature
August 17, 2008 - 11:49 ET by iveseenitallMcCain came across as mature and quite comfortable in stating his principles. Barry, as usual, come across as a political hack who will bend with the politcal wind. He seemed not quite "old" enough to have formed many principles at all. Nonetheless, the answers he didn't need to be "thoughful" about were that the one he admires most ( and is a key advisor ) is his wife, Affirmative Action Michelle, and that he would never have Clarence Thomas on the Supreme Court. Overall, the choice for POTUS was made starkly clear last night.
NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"
Barry's principles
August 17, 2008 - 11:54 ET by Michael M. BatesHe seemed not quite "old" enough to have formed many principles at all.
Well, he is only 47. Give the kid a little time. By the end of his second term, he'll have it all together. Maybe.
Old men often shoot from the hip
August 17, 2008 - 13:33 ET by docband deliver chaos....The world has changed dramatically...we have many years of those hip shots...We need someone who will listen and then act....
I got the impression that McCain had the questions before the forum..He seemed to answer some questions before they were asked!!!
hack's-- well, we have the clintons whose star is waining and we have an old grey goat that has only had one job and it was financed by his father-in-law--the second one...graduated at the bottom of his class as a legacy, and is a true war hero of 45 years ago!!!!
Tinfoil hat alert
August 17, 2008 - 19:36 ET by Michael M. BatesI got the impression that McCain had the questions before the forum..
They were posted behind the grassy knoll.
I did'nt see the debate
August 17, 2008 - 11:50 ET by Paul Gso..really who 'won'?
Who won the "debate"
August 17, 2008 - 11:59 ET by Michael M. BatesMight have to wait for Chrissy Matthews to tell us tomorrow. I'll bet he's tinglin' away already.
Paul - McCain won by a lanslide
August 17, 2008 - 12:06 ET by Dee BunkObama appeared to do well until McCain contrasted Obama's long winded non answers with quick, strong, knowledgeable and honest answers.
McCain came off better in every way.
really...
August 17, 2008 - 12:36 ET by Paul GI didnt see it i want an honest opinion...did Mcain 'win' did Obama look 'good' I dont know ? Is the MSM gonna spin this? did Mcain hit it?
Paul G...McCain hit it
August 17, 2008 - 14:11 ET by bigtimerPaul G...
McCain hit it out of the park...
...and I am no McCain supporter.
Beleive me Obama hurt himself in this....there will be ads used by the repubs of some of his blathering drivel.
One that comes to mind is the issue of when life begins....Obama hurt himself real bad... saying that this was way above his pay-grade...among other things...
Ya' gotta' love it.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Shuster
August 17, 2008 - 11:52 ET by Gat New YorkThoughtful?
It would be good if you could cue up the Shuster comments immediately after the forum and before Axelrod could come up with talking points for surrogates like Crowley.
Shuster agreed with Buchanan that McCain came out the clear winner and Obama did not do a good job.
My concern is that in the real debates the so-called moderators will be stacked against McCain and will be helping Obama.
Shuster
August 17, 2008 - 11:57 ET by Michael M. BatesShuster agreed with Buchanan that McCain came out the clear winner and Obama did not do a good job.
Sorry I missed that. By the time I flipped over to MSNBC, they were already running another gals in prison documentary or whatever those are.
By the time I flipped over to MSNBC . .
August 17, 2008 - 17:25 ET by Gat New YorkYou can't have you wife controlling the remote control:)
Remote control
August 17, 2008 - 19:38 ET by Michael M. BatesYou can't have you wife controlling the remote control:)
No one comes between me and my trusty ol' remote!
OMG
August 17, 2008 - 13:37 ET by Texndoc"Shuster agreed with Buchanan that McCain came out the clear winner and Obama did not do a good job."
Dare I hope? Olbermann's "Worst Person in the World" for Monday night? No, not if Buchanan said it first and he was somehow tricked into agreeing.
Olberman is now going to
August 17, 2008 - 17:23 ET by Gat New YorkOlberman is now going to have to kick off Shuster from his progam.
GNY.... My concern is
August 17, 2008 - 19:01 ET by bigtimerGNY....
My concern is that in the real debates the so-called moderators will be stacked against McCain and will be helping Obama.
Come on now...that's a given.
By the way...as far as I am concerned, other than illegal immigration, which for me is of the utmost importance... this was as good as any of the so-called real debates that are upcoming, knowing who and what are sponsoring and moderating them.
One thing about it...we'll be able to look at he left-wing blogs and see what they think....lol.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Gee, I wonder where the
August 17, 2008 - 12:01 ET by gopsteveGee, I wonder where the unbiased journalist / newsman Olbie will come down on this.
He's just so unpredictable!
Olbermann
August 17, 2008 - 12:03 ET by Michael M. BatesGee, I wonder where the unbiased journalist / newsman Olbie will come down on this.
Regardless, it's gonna be Bush's fault.
left wingers thoughtfulness and nuance always leads to
August 17, 2008 - 12:03 ET by Dee Bunkfar left positions that are 100% predictable so how can they be so thoughtful and Nuanced?
Thoughtfulness and nuance
August 17, 2008 - 12:06 ET by Michael M. Bates. . . so how can they be so thoughtful and Nuanced?
Maybe I'm just not thoughtful enough to figure it out. Obviously my problem, not theirs.
Nuance
August 17, 2008 - 12:15 ET by BlondeNuance: (1) Code word for a light-as-air waffle, covered up with treacly-sweet syrupy words, meaning precisely nothing. But which liberal pols can interpret as being wonderful, thoughtful, and insightful. (2) Unaldulterated c**p.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Watch your language, Blonde
August 17, 2008 - 12:17 ET by Michael M. BatesCould you send your dictionary to CNN? They desperately need it over there.
Oops
August 17, 2008 - 12:25 ET by BlondeSorry about that language, and imagine, my mum's sitting right here, too! Getting the soap...
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Good definition Blonde!
August 17, 2008 - 12:21 ET by Dee BunkIt sounds like you saw the debate from a post elsewhere. Did it change your opinion of McCain? It did mine. I feel a lot better about him now and a lot better about voting for him. Of course I'd still rather have a full fledged conservative, but the contrast couldn't have been stronger between the two.
Hi Dee,
August 17, 2008 - 12:29 ET by BlondeActually, I slept through it, but caught a couple of clips, later.
My reaction, and definition of nuance, was in response to Bambi's "above my paygrade" remark. After all of that blather, from "ethical to scientific", and I believe he also used the word "specificity"...to a big fat "D'oh, I don't know"! But of course, he was too nuanced to say "I don't know".
Save me from Harvard lawyers!
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Too nuanced, Blonde
August 17, 2008 - 19:40 ET by Michael M. BatesBut of course, he was too nuanced to say "I don't know".
We can only hope Americans figure out the difference between nuance and nonsense before November.
Feeling better, Dee
August 17, 2008 - 19:52 ET by Michael M. BatesDid it change your opinion of McCain? It did mine. I feel a lot better about him now and a lot better about voting for him.
McCain wasn't my first - or probably fifth - choice, but he's infinitely superior to the Empty Suit.
Obama the Empty Headed
August 17, 2008 - 12:04 ET by GothampcI think we saw the real Obama and he really is that clueless.
Some of the gems he uttered:
Who would you seek advice from as POTUS? My wife, my grandmother.
On abortion: "it's above my pay grade"
Is evil present in the world? Yes and we need to confront it...humbly. [Confront wasn't one of the options].
Confront not an option
August 17, 2008 - 12:07 ET by Michael M. BatesIs evil present in the world? Yes and we need to confront it...humbly. [Confront wasn't one of the options].
Well, it would have been if Rick Warren were a little more thoughtful.
Good one Michael - If Warren were more thoughtful and Nuanced
August 17, 2008 - 12:12 ET by Dee Bunkhe'd have anticipated that "confront" is the only nuanced answer that really doesn't answer anyones questions and really means absolutely nothing. ; )
Humbly Confront
August 17, 2008 - 14:42 ET by GothampcThe choices Warren gave were:
If evil exists, do we:
1. ignore it
2. negotiate with it
3. contain it
4. defeat it
Obama's choice of "confront" doesn't necessarily mean that anything is going to be done about it. I can confront you on something, it doesn't mean that I am going to be victorious in that confrontation.
What I want to point out here is that Obama got off track by talking about humility in answering the question. There is no way to "humbly" confront Osama bin Laden.
Number 4...
August 17, 2008 - 20:10 ET by Clear thinkerIs, and should always be, THE answer!
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I have another word for Obama
August 17, 2008 - 12:06 ET by 10ksnookerChildlike
Obama thinks in pounds of nothingness. People want to hear ten words of substance.
Offensive
August 17, 2008 - 12:11 ET by Michael M. BatesObama thinks in pounds of nothingness. People want to hear ten words of substance.
Doubtless BO would find this view "offensive." Everything he doesn't like is "offensive."
I hope McCain pounces on the
August 17, 2008 - 12:12 ET by gopsteveI hope McCain pounces on the abortion answer - to show how BO handles tough questions.
Subtle = Indecisive
August 17, 2008 - 12:10 ET by CobraMan"Barack Obama's answers were complex, thoughtful, very subtle."
I saw them as indecisive and evasive, just like the rest of his campaign. He never seems to take a stance on anything and stay with it. He's too much of a poll watcher, waiting for others to make the final determination of what the "right" course of action should be, which means he doesn't have much confidence in his own ability to make difficult decisions. That's not a good quality for a president. A good President needs to be strong, decisive, and stubborn in the face of adversity. Obama is none of these.
Obama's strength
August 17, 2008 - 12:14 ET by Michael M. BatesA good President needs to be strong, decisive, and stubborn in the face of adversity. Obama is none of these.
Let's be fair, CM. Barry's very strong in his belief that he deserves to control other people's lives.
Just how strong is that belief?
August 17, 2008 - 12:34 ET by CobraManThat "belief" comes from his political and public affiliations and not his personal convictions.
Case in point: Reverend Wright and Obama’s former church. Not once did Obama state that, even thought he disagrees with the message that man and his church was promoting, Obama was willing to work with them to bring about that "change" he keeps touting in public. When the going got tough for Obama, he forfeited his personal conviction of "uniting for change" and bailed on people he's known for two decades. That's not an indication of a strong desire to control, that's an indication of cowardice in the face of adversity.
Pillow talk
August 17, 2008 - 12:19 ET by Rackie"Barack Obama's answers were complex, thoughtful, very subtle."
Sounds like foreplay to me. At some point though a man just has to go for it.
Go for it!
August 17, 2008 - 12:22 ET by Michael M. BatesAt some point though a man just has to go for it.
He's seduced millions of Americans so far with his light as air rap. He'll stick with it for a while anyway.
SCHNEIDER: Each candidate
August 17, 2008 - 12:13 ET by MidAmericaSCHNEIDER: Each candidate used the opportunity I think to showcase his strengths. Barack Obama's answers were complex, thoughtful, very subtle.
complex=confusing thoughtful=still making up his mind very subtle=vague
The reaon I find schneider
August 17, 2008 - 12:19 ET by gopsteveThe reaon I find schneider unlistenable is not just his bias, but he talks like he is talking to a 5-year-old when he talks to the audience.
Schneider
August 17, 2008 - 12:24 ET by Michael M. BatesThe reaon I find schneider unlistenable is not just his bias, but he talks like he is talking to a 5-year-old when he talks to the audience.
Maybe that Harvard doctorate went to his head. He needs something up there.
Talking Points Checklist
August 17, 2008 - 12:33 ET by third eyeBringing up grandmother. Check
Quoting scripture. Check
Claiming opposition to Iraq war politically dangerous.
Check
Claiming bipartisanship as having worked on campaign finance
reform with McCain. Check
Failing to mention he dropped that support. Check
Criticizing Justice Clarence Thomas for being a
novice with no background or experience. Added Bonus.
Obama's Messed Up Bible Thinking
August 17, 2008 - 15:11 ET by Gothampc"Quoting scripture. Check"
Twisting scripture to mean something else (as liberals often do). Check.
Here is what Obama said:
"I think America's greatest moral failure in my lifetime has
been that we still don't abide by that basic precept in Matthew that whatever
you do for the least of my brothers, you do for me. That basic principle applies to poverty. It applies to racism and sexism. It applies to, you know, not having -- not
thinking about providing ladders of opportunity for people to get into the
middle class."
Strangely enough in Obama's socialist thinking, he never applies this "least of..." rule to unborn children. Wouldn't one think that if you kill an unborn child through abortion, that you are doing that to Jesus, the King? Wouldn't killing off future generations be considered morally reprehensible?
To put this in Obama's terms: wouldn't killing off future generations who might find a cure for AIDS or be able to fight poverty or alleviate suffering be a bad thing?
Obama on the Bible
August 17, 2008 - 19:33 ET by Michael M. BatesWhen BO cited Matthew 25, perhaps he was alluding to the Matthew 25 Network, an Obama front group.
"Where Obama was thoughtful
August 17, 2008 - 12:34 ET by GregE"Where Obama was thoughtful and cautious, McCain was abrupt..."
Cautious? Cautious about what? Making sure not to show America what he truly believes, or making sure to appear to America that he believes something that they won't think is idiotic or Socialist?
McCain was abrupt? Yea whatever, if it was Obama answering as McCain did, the discription would have been "decisive and clear."
When a Dhimmicrat sputters
August 17, 2008 - 12:40 ET by RW_the originalWhen a Dhimmicrat sputters out ten minutes of gibberish the talking heads have to call it thoughtful and nuanced because they fear the citizens heard ten minutes of sputtering gibberish.
The Obama media cycle in 6 easy steps
August 17, 2008 - 13:04 ET by ironchefofmunchiesThis shows why Obama is in so much trouble in this election-one that he should be leading by double digits right now.
Stop me if you've heard this before:
1) Obama goes unscripted. Says something politically stupid (when life begins is above my pay grade) that is supposed to show how humble Obama is.
2) Media tells Obama how wonderful his presentation was, how 'thoughtful' he looked, and how this is going to attract independents and conservatives.
3) Joe Public watches/hears/reads about what Obama says. Joe says "Whose pay grade DOES know? And why can't this guy tell me what HE thinks?"
4) Joe Public begins to have doubts/additional doubts about Obama for President.
5) Media takes a poll and finds Obama is STILL tied with McCain. Still can't figure out why. Keeps propping up Obama.
6) Obama campaign thinks it's doing swell because of the media echo chamber.
Tell me if this doesn't sound familiar to anybody else.
The unscripted Senator O
August 17, 2008 - 19:54 ET by Michael M. BatesObama goes unscripted.
I'm surprised Axelrod lets him make any appearance without his teleprompter firmly attached.
I'd Rather have SOME Who Knows What To DO!
August 17, 2008 - 13:21 ET by ChasvsSo answering a question about what He thinks on an issue, is above his paygrade?
Hey Obama, just what paygrade do you need to have an Opinion/Conviction/Belief?
Does he mean the poll to tell him what he should think about abortion hasn't been taken yet? Was his telepromter broken or out of sight? Didn't they cover that in his Positions to State rehearsals?
This guy is worse than an empty Balck suit. He's just so much thin air!
I'd Rather have SOME Who Knows What To DO!
August 17, 2008 - 13:22 ET by ChasvsSo answering a question about what He thinks on an issue, is above his paygrade?
Hey Obama, just what paygrade do you need to have an Opinion/Conviction/Belief?
Does he mean the poll to tell him what he should think about abortion hasn't been taken yet? Was his telepromter broken or out of sight? Didn't they cover that in his Positions to State rehearsals?
This guy is worse than an empty Black suit. He's just so much thin air!
Nuance: a very
August 17, 2008 - 13:25 ET by Roger the ShrubberNuance:
a very slight difference or variation in color or tone.
Such hatemongers!
Try this.
August 17, 2008 - 13:29 ET by RackieSay "nuance' real fast 10 times.
Ods' Blood! When you
August 17, 2008 - 14:00 ET by FoolicanOds' Blood! When you anunciate it enough times, the words "Barack Obama" just roll off your tongue! It's amazing! It's miraculous! I'm going to vote for Obama now. Thx!
Rolling off your tongue
August 17, 2008 - 19:43 ET by Michael M. BatesWhen you anunciate it enough times, the words "Barack Obama" just roll off your tongue!
And right out of my mouth.
New Ones
August 17, 2008 - 15:15 ET by Gothampc"Say "nuance' real fast 10 times."
For me it comes out "New ones". Must be the liberal secret code word for "We need new ones in office."
This is great!
August 17, 2008 - 13:33 ET by Uncle DonNew
Obama's answers
August 17, 2008 - 11:51 ET by Michael M. Bates
I liked the one about whom he'd depend on for advice. I guess typical white persons like Granny have a purpose after all.
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I screamed the same thing at the TV when he said this....
"Thoughtful" Obama
August 17, 2008 - 14:03 ET by CobraMan"Minutes later, Gergen again described Obama as thoughtful, just in case we missed it."
Thoughtful? Yep. I, too, thought Obama was full of "it."
We ended up watching this
August 17, 2008 - 14:05 ET by bigtimerWe ended up watching this last night, we were both glad we did...although it was hard not to turn it during Obmam's dull pathetic drivel...
McCain beat Obama like a red-headed step-child....
No doubt about it.
I was pleasantly surprised by the forum and Warren's way of questioning for the most part.
It was fun watching the talking heads last night afterwards.
Btw...where are all the instant poll numbers after something like this....hehehee....
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
BT, I too was pleasantly
August 17, 2008 - 15:02 ET by maggieqpublicBT, I too was pleasantly surprised by the format. (But the format would be a real McCain disaster if the questions had been selected and asked by Wolf Blitzer or Matt Lauer or Campbell Brown or Andrew Cuomo or You Fill in The Blank.) The contrast between the two candidates last night couldn’t have been more clear.
Finally, someone (Warren) asked a lot of questions about issues that are of real concern to conservatives. And we didn’t even hear one question about the candidate’s view of the Confederate flag.
Warren's Agenda
August 17, 2008 - 15:19 ET by Gothampc"Finally, someone (Warren) asked a lot of questions about issues that are of real concern to conservatives."
Yeah, but Warren stuck in some of his own agenda. Sounds to me like the US just agreed to shell out money to protect all the orphans of the world. Angela Jolie will be happy.
You make a good point. After
August 17, 2008 - 15:36 ET by maggieqpublicYou make a good point. After last night, it’s safe to say that Warren’s orphan programs/faith-based programs would receive the support of either President McCain or President Obama. Warren’s national profile just went way up. (Last night was my first exposure to this man.)
Happy Angelina
August 17, 2008 - 19:49 ET by Michael M. BatesSounds to me like the US just agreed to shell out money to protect all the orphans of the world. Angela Jolie will be happy.
I've been trying to get Angelina to adopt me for several years. Hope springs eternal.
Just ask each one of those
August 17, 2008 - 15:08 ET by maggieqpublicJust ask each one of those CNN pundits to provide a brief summary of Obama’s answers and then discuss how his views might translate to domestic and/or foreign policy.
Does reducing the need for abortions mean that Obama supports parental notification? Does Obama support teacher merit pay if the unions do not? What specific policy exemplifies Obama’s belief that evil should be confronted with humility?
Then we’ll know what thoughtful, subtle, nuanced and complex really mean to the average American.
Ummm. errrr, ummmm
August 17, 2008 - 15:31 ET by SickofLibsThoughtful = painfully slow on the uptake.
Cautious = scared shitless
Stutter Pause Uh
August 17, 2008 - 15:59 ET by jaywlObama must seem thoughtful to his, dare I say, supporters when he is stalling his answer with all manner of devices. He uses uhs, ahs, a subtle stutter, buts, and my favorite, a long sort of growl. Last night when he wanted to think about what he should have answered in response to the moment of conception question, and after the "Well, ah ah, I think" and"above my pay grade" idiocy, he really excelled trying to collect his thoughts. The best I can transcribe it is "But but but but, ah ah le le let let me let me just speak about..." Very thoughtful for the Gergens of the world. Dummies like me just don't get how beautiful the mind of Obama really is. If only I was a Vulcan I could mind meld and experience the joy that others are blessed with simply by listening to his voice. Ah! Would that it be so!
We Are Evil
August 17, 2008 - 16:18 ET by Lee BoggsObama has seen evil, and it is us.
Answering the "Evil" question, Obama said: (uhs, ahhs, you knows omitted)
"A lot of evil's been perpetrated based on the claim that we were trying to confront evil in the name of good."
"And I think one thing that is very important is having some humility in recognizing that just because we think our intentions are good doesn't always mean that we're going to be doing good."
Good intentions
August 17, 2008 - 19:46 ET by Michael M. Bates"And I think one thing that is very important is having some humility in recognizing that just because we think our intentions are good doesn't always mean that we're going to be doing good."
But "good intentions" are all the Democrats have had to offer for decades. Maybe Barry's ready to shut down the party.
Let me get back to you
August 17, 2008 - 21:20 ET by NorthCoasterwhen I think of an answer that won't get me in trouble later. For now I'll just give thoughtful answers signifying nothing.
Thoughtful
August 17, 2008 - 22:06 ET by Cool ArrowI s "thoughtful" the same as stammering for time while inventing a reply?
I ♣ my seal