Though members of the mainstream media seem to have noticed in recent days that the radical, thoroughly corrupt left-wing group ACORN exists, the MSM are still accepting ACORN's word that it is strictly nonpartisan.
Nothing could be further from the truth.
While the MSM continue to churn out stories about alleged "voter suppression" (yes, it exists, but it is a pretty minor thing, especially when compared to ACORN's widespread electoral fraud), ACORN's interim organizer in chief Bertha Lewis has removed any remaining doubt about which political party ACORN supports.
Lewis is featured in a video posted on YouTube by an ACORN affiliate,Working Families Party. Says Lewis:
I want to thank everyone out there for defending ACORN against the scurrilous right-wing attacks and smears. That’ll teach them to attack a community organizer. [...] Look, when organizers get attacked we do what we do best: we organize and we vote. And if you live in New York there’s one more simple thing you can all do to help ACORN: vote for the community organizer Barack Obama on the Working Families Party ballot line. [...] Voting for Barack is good but voting for him on the Working Families Party line is better. Vote change like you mean it, people. Don’t get lost in the Democratic sauce. [...]
How long before the MSM starts looking into this new revelation?
(For more on ACORN, see "ACORN: Who Funds the Weather Underground's Little Brother?" by Matthew Vadum, Foundation Watch, November 2008, and "In a Rotten Nutshell: Everything You’ve Ever Wanted to Know about ACORN," by Matthew Vadum and Jeremy Lott, Labor Watch, November 2008)
(This post is based on a Capital Research Center blog post available here. Hat tip to CRC's James Dellinger.)
—Matthew Vadum is Editor of Organization Trends and Foundation Watch at the Capital Research Center.
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I thought fusion parties
October 29, 2008 - 15:25 ET by HockeyKidI thought fusion parties were ruled unconstitutional by the SC. What's this "Working Families Party" nonsense?
Martial Law?
October 29, 2008 - 15:32 ET by MinutemenIn the face of evidence of massive voter fraud, should President Bush refuse to recognize the election or surrender the Presidency based on insurrection? Further, should he declare martial law in Washington, D.C., beyond Inauguration, if the matter is not resolved?
electoral fraud?
October 29, 2008 - 16:24 ET by nicholas nicklebyHi Matt,
I must have missed this, so, as a late-comer to the party, I'm hoping you can fill me in: what proof has been produced that ACORN is involved in electoral fraud?
I asked this question once before, and someone pointed me to this Malkin piece ( http://michellemalki... ) about students registering to vote in Ohio, though they don't live there permanently, which is fraud of a sort--but notice that she tagged it "ACORN watch" and it doesn't actually have anything to do with ACORN.
Also, it seems important to recognize the difference between voter fraud (what you say is happening) and voter registration fraud (what has been happening)--just because you register Mickey Mouse, doesn't mean he'll get time off from work to show up to cast a ballot.
Also, it seems important to note that ACORN is legally required to turn in all the registrations it receives, but to separate out the ones it thinks are fishy. (So, I remember a CNN report that noted that there were 2100 fishy registrations in one pile given to the election commissioners--though CNN didn't seem to realize that that was probably the pile marked "fishy.")
So, yeah, when you write "ACORN's widespread electoral fraud," I'm not sure what you mean. Any actual evidence of ACORN's involvement in actual voter fraud (as opposed to Malkin's piece that has nothing to do with ACORN) would be appreciated.
reply to nicholas nickleby
October 29, 2008 - 16:34 ET by Matthew VadumThanks for your comment. I have dealt with all those arguments in my lead, approx. 11,000-word profile of ACORN available here.
Filling out a voter form fraudulently is a crime whether a ballot is cast or not, notwithstanding the self-serving comments of Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr. and former MoveOn.org bigshot Tom Matzzie. So says the FBI in my profile. See my many blog posts on ACORN at http://www.capitalre....
You also seem to assume that ACORN is acting in good faith. Not so, I write in my profile.
—Matthew Vadum is Editor of Organization Trends and Foundation Watch, two monthly newsletters published by Capital Research Center
Thanks Matt!
October 29, 2008 - 20:19 ET by nicholas nicklebyAm reading article now--I usually come only to NewsBusters for conservative news, and tend not to follow links too often. Thanks for the (re-posted) link.
***Later***
Okay, I see the claims about the radicalness of the group and its corruption (or the corruption of several of its people), but I'm still not seeing "widespread electoral fraud" proven as a systemic issue--i.e., out of 10,000 registration workers, 829 is an 8% problem, for which one might come up with an 8% solution (rather than, as some commenters here have written, calling for an insurrection).
Or let's put it this way: we accept the possibility of rogue actors in our campaigns/organizations, whether it's self-scaring Ashley Todd or Holtz-Eakins holding up the BlackBerry as an example of a McCain accomplishment (dismissed by the McCain campaign as a joke) or Carly Fiorina saying that none of the candidates had the experience to run a company (and where is Carly these days?).
I mean, we accept the possibility of rogue actors going off script, and not following the talking points/orders. So why is it that when ACORN seems to suffer from rogue actors, some conservatives see conspiracy. What's that old saw, "don't blame on malice what you can blame on incompetence"?
For instance, I notice that, on page 6 of the pdf, you list two examples of voter improprieties in Nevada: a raid on a Las Vegas office and Clark County reporting phony registrations. Now, if your reader did not know that Las Vegas was in Clark County, they might imagine this as two unrelated incidents, when, really, it's two stories--well, one story, really--about one office. Now, you don't point out here that Las Vegas and Clark County are related, but I don't attribute that to a desire on your part to inflate the number of examples, and make ACORN look worse. In other words, I don't think you're maliciously spinning the material.
Similarly, you note Clinton's 2006 speech lauding ACORN, but you don't note McCain's 2006 speech lauding ACORN, when he spoke at an ACORN-co-sponsored rally ( http://www.youtube.c... , McCain speech around 1:55). I don't think you're leaving out that information because you're intentionally biasing your exhaustive report--I think, "hey, these things happen sometimes."
Now, while voter registration fraud is a crime, I still think that "electoral fraud" is rather a broad way to describe it, on your part, since, while ACORN workers may be guilty of voter registration fraud, there are, as of yet, no proven instances of fraudulent ballots cast due to ACORN. (And, as previously stated, ACORN is required by law to turn in all ballots it receives.)
But I'm not going to claim that you're--with malice aforethought--intentionally being biased by saying "electoral fraud." Of course, if the options are "malice" and "incompetence," you might prefer malice.
»→ Incompetence aforethought?
October 29, 2008 - 20:23 ET by Cool ArrowNicky, please explain how incompetence aforethought would be instrumental in achieving ACORN's goal.
Sheesh.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
did I say that?
October 29, 2008 - 20:48 ET by nicholas nicklebyIncompetence would seem to be, definitionally, without thought--not aforethought at all.
In my post above, Cool, I'm questioning whether there's been sufficient proof put forward to prove that ACORN's workers are following a nefarious plan orchestrated by the top officials (malice), or if ACORN has the fairly common organizational problem of occasionally hiring bad workers (incompetence).
»→ Occasionally?
October 29, 2008 - 21:25 ET by Cool ArrowYeah, 1/3 of the ACORN Voter Registratioins presented in Ohio are faulty, and you use a word like "occasionally"
How agout 1/3 of cars manufactured blowing up when you turn the key? Feeling comfortable about that idea?
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
math
October 29, 2008 - 21:52 ET by nicholas nickleby829 / 10,000 = 8% of workers.
If you get 8% of the questions wrong on a test, you'll still get a 92%, which is an A or an A- in most schools--not too shabby. (But definitely not perfect.)
Now, if those 8% of workers produce 33% of your product, then you have some people who are very busy doing a bad job. (It is, after all, easier to make up registrations than actually to do the job well.)
8% is HUGE.
October 30, 2008 - 09:59 ET by KarmaWhen less than 1% error/fraud can have devastating results on the lives of 50% of the population, you belittle the number? We don't expect perfection, but should at least strive for it. We DO expect honesty and will not settle for even 99% in that regard. You obviously support fraud and dishonesty if you believe...aww, shucks, it's ONLY 8%.
No representation, without taxation!
»→ It's OK Karma
October 30, 2008 - 10:07 ET by Cool ArrowNickles is obviously happy with the tabulation of Florida in 2000, and he'll be just as happy when McCain wins.
And we won't even cheat.
math, revisited
October 30, 2008 - 13:39 ET by nicholas nickleby8% of what? 8% was the number of bad workers ACORN has fired for turning in bad work. Does that mean that there are 8% fraudulent votes in this election.
No; just to remind you:
8% of bad workers = 0% fraudulent voters
That's the part of the equation that seems to be misunderstood by conservatives warning about ACORN as a threat to the fabric of democracy. Yes, it's a shame that you sometimes can't hire people to do an honest day of work. But that doesn't mean that there are going to be any fraudulent votes cast--just because Mickey Mouse (occupation: steamboat captain) gets registered, doesn't mean he'll show up to vote!
Good question.
October 30, 2008 - 14:11 ET by Karma8% was the number of bad workers ACORN has fired for turning in bad work. So what is the percentage of bad workers who were not fired? What is the percentage of other ACORN workers who turned in bad work?
x% fraudulent registrations = y% possible fraudulent votes (work on that one mr. math)
It has nothing to do with hiring someone to do an honest day of work. I would prefer they just napped in the breakroom and get paid as opposed to doing actual harm to the fabric of our society as they are doing.
I could care less if Mickey Mouse and the whole pack showed up to vote as long as I was confident the freaking rats were not registered.
No representation, without taxation!
I think they prefer the term "Mouse-Americans," not rats
October 30, 2008 - 15:28 ET by nicholas nicklebyhey Karma,
you do realize, that, as x and y are two separate variables in the equation you gave, there is no definite relation between them. I mean, x can be 100 and y can still be 0, which would give us
"100% fraudulent registrations = 0% possible fraudulent votes"
(Just to be clear, I'm not arguing that that's the situation, only pointing out that that is a possibility with the equation you gave.)
Look, it's possible to register a phantom voter--it's illegal, but it can be snuck through. And, yes, being registered is a precondition to vote--but it is, as the philosophers say, not sufficient. The philosophical phrase to keep in mind here is "necessary and sufficient"--it is necessary to be registered to vote, but it is not sufficient: you still need to show up and present ID.
And Mickey can't do that.
Good evening Nick
October 30, 2008 - 15:42 ET by cocodrie8% got fired. That means 92% got away with fraud.
Hey
October 30, 2008 - 15:46 ET by bigtimerHey coco...
...snicker...snicker...
...that was a good zinger.....
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
BT
October 30, 2008 - 15:58 ET by cocodrieSad and disturbing that it's 110% true.
coco... I know, I
October 30, 2008 - 16:09 ET by bigtimercoco...
I know, I know...that is part of the reason I have to take a break from here once in awhile....I am so angry and frustrated with what all the left is getting away with with the aide and encouragement of the leftist msm to-boot...
God help us on the 4th...I pray for this country...we are going to need a miracle and Gods help...big-time.
I am so glad our cousins from Ak. are coming down to see us all pretty soon...it is going to be great talking to them and catching up with the latest from Alaska and talking politics...it most likely will be after the election too...I hope we all are smiling while chattering...lol.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
BT
October 30, 2008 - 16:19 ET by cocodrieFirst voted in 1960, been following elections closely ever since.The MSM has been driving things downhill, but I'm praying that we have hit bottom and will begin improving with the help of news sites like this one.
heh
October 31, 2008 - 15:07 ET by nicholas nicklebyhey coco,
I was waiting for that one--I mean, absence of evidence (of fraud) is not evidence of absence (of fraud), as my bio teacher liked to point out. So, yeah, 8% fired means an unknown percent of bad workers might still be there. My point, however, is just that bad registrations don't ipso facto equate to bad votes.
And I feel the conservative impulse to skepticism might be taking an irrational turn around now. I mean, I approve of skepticism towards the media (especially since most media outlets are owned by giant corporations that have economic interests--for instance, MSNBC is owned by NBC which is owned by GE which makes guidance systems for weapons, so GE makes money off of war), but skepticism can get out of hand. First, people here doubt the polls; then, if Obama wins, you'll doubt the legitimacy of the election; and eventually, you'll start to doubt the evidence of your own senses.
(If anything has really made Bush a lame-duck president, it was the spectacle of him flying in to land by a "Mission Accomplished" sign--a sign which reality proved to be utterly false. This seems to be a problem currently with some conservatives, who are building up sand-castles about what the world is, sand-castles that are utterly at odds with the ocean-tides of reality, coming to sweep away these ideologically-defined images of reality, if you'll pardon me extending the metaphor.)
You betcha'.
October 31, 2008 - 21:22 ET by KarmaYou betcha'.
No representation, without taxation!
nicholas... Is just
October 31, 2008 - 21:39 ET by Clear thinkernicholas...
Is just another troll on the Obama payroll. I suggest ignoring him until after the election.
Obama Ain’t No Christian!
Making Fun of AGW http://giovanniworld.wordpress.com/
Nah. I'll stay with rats in this instance.
October 30, 2008 - 15:59 ET by Karma"100% fraudulent registrations = 0% possible fraudulent votes"
Are you 100% sure of your answer?
As far as your last point, you're probably right. Fake ID's are a pipe dream. Just ask those silly youngsters under the age of 21.
No representation, without taxation!
I believe that's species-ism
October 30, 2008 - 19:41 ET by nicholas nicklebyHey K,
As explained elsewhere, fraudulent registration (X) is necessary but not sufficient to produce fraudulent votes (Y), so X is greater than or equal to Y. Since X and Y show no correlation (in the sense that X can go up without Y necessarily going up), then yes, it's very possible for X = 100% and Y = 0%.
(The confusion comes in over the word "possible"--but as I said, the "possible fraudulent votes" are not merely tied to registration--they also require IDs, as you point out, and, the part that you left out, they also require bodies--that is, you have to get people who are willing to risk fines and imprisonment for a miniscule chance to change an election. This is ACORN we're talking about--they can't even hire good workers!)
I've said it before, I'll say it again: no one has ever offered proof of a giant scheme to cast fraudulent ballots. (Just look at this thread--I ask for any proof that ACORN is destroying the fabric of democracy, I get stories about unpaid taxes. Rather appropriately for the season, this is a ghost story that conservatives use to scare each other, rather than deal with the fact that the different types of conservatives--social, fiscal, libertarian, cultural--no longer get along.)
Sure.
October 30, 2008 - 22:16 ET by KarmaSure.
No representation, without taxation!
nicholas... Is just
October 30, 2008 - 22:23 ET by Clear thinkernicholas...
Is just another troll on the Obama payroll. I suggest we ignore all trolls until after the election.
THIS IS WAR!
Making Fun of AGW http://giovanniworld.wordpress.com/
to nicholas nickleby
October 29, 2008 - 20:51 ET by Matthew VadumAgain, I appreciate your comments but my article is not an indictment or a legal document. I'm just providing an overview of what I consider to be ACORN's most noteworthy misdeeds. To 'prove' every single point in the article in the sense that you are using the term would require writing a book or several books. There are only so many hours in a day.
Actually, I did write about McCain. I wrote two profiles of ACORN. The reference to McCain's past embrace of ACORN on immigration issues is in the other one. (see p. 3 of PDF)
As for examples of electoral fraud, the table is hardly exhaustive. Read John Fund's book, Stealing Elections, for more information.
You might also enjoy these more succinct articles: http://spectator.org... and http://spectator.org....
I discussed ACORN's tax improprieties on "The Roger Hedgecock Show" today.
Back work.
—Matthew Vadum is Editor of Organization Trends and Foundation Watch, two monthly newsletters published by Capital Research Center
not convinced, but willing to reconsider
October 29, 2008 - 21:20 ET by nicholas nicklebyFirst, I hope it's copacetic that I called you Matt--the internet has a way of making informality accepted, but some people like their full names, don't want strangers to call them anything else. So, hope that's ok.
Second, thanks for the links again--I don't have time to read them now (though a quick scan doesn't indicate anything in them about electoral fraud), but hopefully later I will.
Third, but again, I'm not seeing anything about "electoral fraud," which is the phrase that you used in this post, but don't have time to prove.
No offence, but John McCain in the third debate said that ACORN was threatening the fabric of democracy, so, if you actually believe that and you actually care about democracy, shouldn't you be spending every hour of the day (no matter how few) in combatting this threat to democracy? Instead, you're investigating tax irregularities and organizational corruption.
Tax irregularities and organizational corruption are bad, very bad but they are not threats to democracy, and they are not evidence of electoral fraud.
I guess, to try to state this succinctly, you claim there's widespread electoral fraud, but when I ask what proof you have of that, you give me info on tax irregularities--it's not exactly a convincing argument, Matt.
"Tax irregularities and
October 29, 2008 - 21:34 ET by MightyMouth"Tax irregularities and organizational corruption are bad, very bad but they are not threats to democracy, and they are not evidence of electoral fraud"
What alternate Universe are you living in?
There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
I don't see your point
October 29, 2008 - 21:49 ET by nicholas nicklebyMM, you quote me saying that there are different types of crimes, and that being guilty of one is not necessarily proof that you're guilty of another--for another example, just because one is an arsonist does not mean that one is also a perjurer.
I don't understand your confusion over this matter.
Nicholas
October 29, 2008 - 23:25 ET by TN MomOh for Goodness sakes....I don't have any fancy arguments and I dont write as pretty as you; but to me it is very simple:
Each eligible American gets ONE VOTE. One Voter registration. Anything more than one vote/one regristration per eligible American is fraud.
Either ACORN workers/organizers are committing outright fraud or they're very, very (stupid) unorganized. Either way it's a threat to every American's democracy. Including yours.
»→ TN Mom
October 29, 2008 - 23:40 ET by Cool ArrowNicky understands fully the concept of clogging the system with bogus registrations in order to sneak the invalid votes through.
He couldn't possibly be as ignorant as he pretends.
oh cool, a lesson from debates
October 30, 2008 - 00:02 ET by nicholas nicklebyhey CA, you know how, before the debates, each side tries to build the other up? Considering that you've never beaten me in an argument, you might want to take a lesson from them.
Because if I'm ignorant, then you must be, as Bugs Bunny might say, an ultramaroon.
»→ Sorry Nickles
October 30, 2008 - 23:08 ET by Cool ArrowYou got me. I was, indeed, trying to build you up.
It was an overstatement when I openly assumed you understood how fraudulent registrations help in concealing fraudulent votes.
I'm not withdrawing my suspicion that you are capable of understanding the concept, but I will allow you may actually be as ignorant as you seem.
Guess you out-debated me again.
Stay down Luke!
October 30, 2008 - 23:09 ET by KarmaYa got nothin'!
(come on CA, I know you can finish this thought)
No representation, without taxation!
»→ Defending the system
October 30, 2008 - 23:24 ET by Cool ArrowIt's beyond me how anybody fails to see how easy it is to vote twice with impunity.
I could do it easily, but I have a respect for the law, unlike the "nod & wink) Democrats who promote the practice of bastardizing our process.
Claims require evidence
October 31, 2008 - 13:36 ET by nicholas nicklebyIf you can provide any evidence to support your claim that fraudulent voter registrations lead to fraudulent votes, I'd love to see it. Beyond all the ad hominem attacks or jokes here, we're still left with the basic foundation of argument, that claims require evidence. And, seriously, there's been so little evidence to back up this phantom. For instance, Malkin's report on fraudulent voters--which is tagged "ACORN Watch"--doesn't actually have anything to do with ACORN: http://michellemalki... . Now, any thinking person could read this article and realize that ACORN is never mentioned, so why is Malkin tagging it "ACORN Watch"? Either she's not very attentive, or she's purposely trying to draw a connection which isn't there.
But as I said, if you have evidence, I'd be interested in seeing it.
TNM
October 30, 2008 - 00:00 ET by nicholas nicklebyYes, exactly--one voter, one vote.
Which is what ACORN is meant to do--to help register people who are eligible to vote.
If 8% are not doing their job, that's not going to help anyone--in fact, it's going to hurt ACORN most, since they're paying people who aren't doing their job.
Now, did you notice that when I asked Matt V. for proof of electoral fraud, all he offered were links to info about tax irregularities and bad administrators? See, all this brouhaha over ACORN sneaking in illegal votes--there's no proof that any "phantom" has ever cast a vote. Mickey Mouse has never voted. But Mickey the auto-mechanic, who recently lost his house--yeah, maybe ACORN can make sure that he still gets to keep his Constitutional right to vote.
Now, on the other hand, there have been quite a few cases of people being incorrectly removed from the voter rolls--which is to say that people who were eligible to vote did not get to. For instance, the Palm Beach Post found that 108 people were purged from the voting list because they were listed as felons who were no longer eligible to vote; and 996 felons were purged even though they were still eligible to vote. That's 1104 people who didn't get to vote because of voter purges.
So, I agree with you: 1 person (eligible to vote) = 1 vote.
But it's not ACORN who is getting in the way of that by producing fraudulent, phantom voters; it's often state GOP machines who are behind purges.
Seriously, TNM, if you read through all the posts here about ACORN's fraud, you'll see that no one has actually produced any evidence that an illegal ballot was ever cast because of fraudulent voter registration.
Or just look here--Matt is a guy who seems to have researched ACORN very well, and even he doesn't provide any proof of fraudulent votes due to ACORN.
I'll like one Voter ID law, please
October 30, 2008 - 07:16 ET by mom_roxDoesn't each county/parish/borough have something similar to a provisional ballot? (I believe Chelsea Clinton had to vote via this process during the primary.)
My preference is a systematic purging - with very specific criteria -of the voter rolls. I'm also concerned about 'dead people voting'. In an area where races are tight, this type of voter fraud could affect an election.
The Axis of Taxes: Obama, Pelosi and Reid (source unknown)
will the dead rise... to vote?
October 30, 2008 - 13:45 ET by nicholas nicklebyagain, Mom, you seem to be under the misapprehension that fraudulent voter registration leads to fraudulent votes. At the risk of repeating myself, a dead man who is registered would still have to show up to vote, which is, I hope, unlikely.
But, if I'm wrong, and the dead do show up to vote, then I guess I owe you a beer.
(But seriously, the number of absentee ballots "cast" by dead people is... well, I don't know if I've ever heard of that actually happening, what case of absentee dead votes are you thinking of?
(Also, I'm with you on some sort of absolute identification requirement--maybe in the future we'll have fingerprint scanners.)
»→ Nickles
October 31, 2008 - 15:26 ET by Cool ArrowI just voted today using my valid driver's license.
I've often wondered why Democrats are so dead set against the use of a verified Picture ID.
Not really, Nicholas. I've never really wondered why the resistance.
So Nicholas
October 30, 2008 - 23:10 ET by RESTLESS 1Fraudulent voter registration does not constitute electoral fraud?
I swear, sometimes I don't see how you have enough brain cells firing to keep you heart beating.
"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
why not say "fraudulent voter registration"?
October 31, 2008 - 13:30 ET by nicholas nicklebyhey restless,
and here I thought you and I were past name-calling and ad hominem attacks.
The issue here is that Matt Vadum uses "electoral fraud" when "electoral fraud" covers a lot of things--a lot of things that he can't prove. (Seriously, look above--I ask him for proof of electoral fraud, he gives me proof of tax problems.)
This is simply a case of a conservative thinker over-playing his hand (he can prove "fraudulent voter registration," so maybe he should stick to that) in order to build up this shadow threat.
(For a real great example of this, did you see Michael Goldfarb on CNN talking about how Obama has anti-Semitic contacts. So, Rick Sanchez asks him to name a few, since Goldfarb has used the plural, and Goldfarb names Khalidi--and can't name a single other. It's like Palin saying Obama pals around with "terrorists"--using the plural when really she just means Ayers. Conservative thinkers, in trying to prevent an Obama election, have over-stated their positions, and when called to defend those positions, as Goldfarb was, end up not being able to say much.
I'll just sum up here: Matthew Vadum has written a pretty extensive piece on ACORN, I asked him for proof of fraudulent votes being produced by ACORN, and he could not offer any. Doesn't that make you guys pause and consider? If Vadum, who has researched this and is on your side (or at least site), can't defend his claim, maybe the claim is wrong.)
Goldfarb could not name Wright
October 31, 2008 - 13:37 ET by RESTLESS 1Because McCain has strict orders to not use Wright against "that one".
(BTW, the brain cells blast was in the spirit of Halloween, guess I should have put an :) behind it.)
"This liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
monster politicians!
October 31, 2008 - 14:47 ET by nicholas nicklebyHeh, in the spirit of halloween, we should ask what monsters these politicians are. Here's some ideas:
McCain = Werewolf, because he's utterly transformed from the man he once was.
Palin = Mummy, because she's wrapped up in a series of lies
Obama = Vampire, because he wants to redistribute blood--to him, wah, wah, wah! (Hmm, I think I channeled the Count from Sesame Street there.)
Biden = The Invisible Man, because where is he?
Goldfarb could not name...
October 31, 2008 - 14:59 ET by nicholas nickleby.. Farrakhan? I mean, come on, the fact is Goldfarb was left with no evidence to substantiate his claim that Obama hangs out with multiple anti-Semites, just like Palin probably couldn't name a terrorist besides Ayers that Obama palled around with, even though she used the plural "terrorists."
If you can't substantiate your claims with evidence, you should know better than to make the claim--esp. if you're deputy communications director--because you'll look pretty silly, sitting and not saying anything to a simple question.
(To clarify what I mean, Goldfarb should know McCain has restricted mentioning Wright, therefore he should be prepared to say something other than Wright. For instance, he didn't need to make the claim that Obama pals around with anti-Semites; he could have said that Obama pals around with radicals with questionable ties--Ayers and the Weathermen, Khalidi and the PLO. Ta-da! There's a defensible claim that avoids Wright. But no, Goldfarb is left with his mouth hanging open, catching flies.)
(Now, if we're going to talk about patterns, Goldfarb seems to have a number of failures notched into his belt; why can't the McCain campaign get better operatives? Did you just hear the interview where ex-Sec. of State Eagleburger bumbling through his thoughts on Palin, offering "I devoutly hope that [she] would never be tested" by becoming president, but that "Give her some time in the office and I think the answer would be, she will be [pause] adequate." Adequate! Damn, that's some cold praise from one of McCain's top supporters.)
»→ Hi Nickles
October 31, 2008 - 15:28 ET by Cool ArrowI just heard Gov. Richardson drop the tax cut threshold to $120k.
You guys are really plowing that field now.
BTW, Eagleberger just admitted his remark was stupid.
When will Obama admit as untrue, his claim everybody under $250k will not be adversely affected by his tax plan?
Cool.... I just came in
October 31, 2008 - 15:39 ET by bigtimerCool....
I just came in from outside and happened to catch that apology too on Fox with Varney hosting today...imagine someone really apologizing and seeming to mean it for once.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
»→ I know bt
October 31, 2008 - 15:47 ET by Cool ArrowDo you think Obama will apologize when he taxes below the threshold he promised?
Will Obama apologize as he forces jobs across the border at triple the current rate.
All these middle class Obama sycophants will be sitting around waiting for the next tax rebate wishing they still had a job.
Nick
October 31, 2008 - 15:31 ET by RESTLESS 1If you would be so kind, do not put me in the position of defending McCains operatives. They don't exactly wow me either. It is just that in seeing the video, it is pretty obvious that Goldfarb was fixated on the name Wright, but couldn't say it outright.
"This liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
totally fair request
October 31, 2008 - 16:04 ET by nicholas nicklebyhey R1,
I know what you mean about not wanting to defend some of the things "your"/"my" side says. I wish more people would stand up and say, "this republican/democrat/liberal/conservative doesn't speak for me and my kind of republicanism/democraticism(?), etc."
On that note, I'll be honest, I don't think McCain is going to win, but I think losing might be better for the conservative movement simply because I think people on the right culturally shouldn't have to vote for someone who is a RINO just because he's the only option/people on the right fiscally shouldn't have to vote for someone evangelical (i.e. Fiscal Conservative in Name Only--FiCNO?) just because he's the only option.
So, yeah, I won't ask you to defend Goldfarb; but at the same time, I think I'm right that he messed up by putting himself in a position to say, "you know, nudge nudge, wink wink." If nothing else, let's take away some lessons on debating from this year's election.
Hey, as pointed out in
October 29, 2008 - 16:57 ET by motherbeltHey, as pointed out in another thread, voter fraud is no big deal, because it is an American tradition.
Just like Chevy trucks, I guess.
And ACORN is just a "non-partisan, community organizing group that runs voter registration drives." (I think I got that right.)
I wonder how many Republicans they sign up?
Obama's Friends and Alliances
October 29, 2008 - 17:22 ET by Retired GeekBarack Obama was mentored by Communist Frank Marshall Davis, Communist writer and poet (1905-1987).
Frank Marshall Davis was identified unequivocally as a CPUSA member in a 1951 report of the Commission on Subversive Activities.
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Barack Obama carefully chose William 'Bill' Ayers who said, "Kill all the rich people. ... Bring the revolution home. Kill your parents."
In the 1960s, Bernardine Dohrn and her husband Bill Ayers were leaders of the "Weatherman" faction, which in 1969 went underground to become America's first terrorist cult.
Barack Obama launched his political career in the home of Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn.
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Alice Palmer met Barack Obama during meetings at the home of Bill Ayers and hand picked Obama to fill her newly vacated 'State Senate Seat'.
Alice Palmer served as an executive board member of the U.S. Peace Council, which the FBI identified as a Communist front group.
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Michael Klonsky was chosen by Barack Obama as a blogger on the 'Obama official Website'. Klonsky a former leader of 'SDS' - Students for a Democratic Society and a leader of the 'New Communist Party'.
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Tim Wheeler is a National Board member of the Communist Party USA (CPUSA), and has been a key figure in the party's Baltimore chapter since the early 1970s. He helped organize local canvassing and visibility events for Obama, and he chronicled his experiences on the campaign trail in a blog that appeared on the Obama campaign website.
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Jeremiah Wright was carefully chosen by Barack Obama to 'Mentor' him and be his spiritual guide.
Mentor Wright became famous for screaming 'God Damn America' from the pulpit at TUCC.
http://hisfacts.blogtownhall.com/2008/10/21/obamas_radical_and_communist_alliances.thtml
Obama and ACORN Partnering in Fraud
October 29, 2008 - 17:26 ET by Retired GeekThere is an old Spanish saying. “Tell me who you walk with, and I will tell you WHO YOU ARE!”
"I chose my friends carefully." Barack Obama, Dreams of My Father
Did Barack Obama chose the organizations he associated with as carefully?
The Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) is a grassroots political organization. ACORN invited Obama to help train its staff.
Moreover, Obama eventually would sit on the Board of the Woods Fund of Chicago, which gave a number of sizable grants to ACORN.
In April 2007 The Nation reported, “Today Obama continues his organizing work largely through classes for future leaders identified by ACORN and the Centers for New Horizons on the south side [of Chicago].”
1) ACORN is the largest radical group in America, with 175,000 dues-paying member families, and more than 850 chapters in 70 US cities.
2) ACORN is implicated in numerous reports of fraudulent voter registration, vote-rigging, voter intimidation, and vote-for-pay scams during the 2004 election.
In September 2008 the Board of Elections in Cuyahoga County, Ohio accused ACORN's paid workers, who had been tasked with registering as many pro-Democrat voters as possible, of submitting fraudulent voter-registration cards.
According to the Board, ACORN workers had commonly turned in separate cards with duplicate names but different addresses or different birth dates.
Other cards listed people living at an address that was not a residence. Meanwhile, the U.S. Attorney's office in Michigan indicated that it might prosecute ACORN for similar voter-registration scams in that state.
Obama and ACORN partnering in 'Voter Fraud' 'Change' and 'Hope' for America?
Obama and ACORN and Communists
October 29, 2008 - 17:28 ET by Retired Geek"...Two months later, on January 31, in this hall, we held an extraordinary national conference which established our framework for the 2004 elections.
The conference was extraordinary because of the turnout of 250 plus multi-racial, multi-national activists from states large and small across our land. It was extraordinary because of the message of leaders from other organizations who came and called upon us, that our presence was much needed as Communists.
Remember the president of NY NOW telling us she wanted to see lots of red flags at the March for Women’s Lives.
And the chair of ACORN and Working Families Party who called upon us as family to make our contribution known. Did we respond? YES, we responded!
Across the country, we rolled up our sleeves, in swing states and so-called safe states.
In voter registration drives, local races and Congressional battlegrounds. Walking precincts and working phone banks out of union halls.
In presidential battleground states from Ohio, Missouri, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin to Minnesota and New Hampshire, our folks were quickly tapped to help lead the work."
Author: Joelle Fishman, Chair,
Political Action Committee, Communist Party USA
First published 11/23/2004 18:42
Nice posts Retired........
October 29, 2008 - 17:47 ET by BEGRUNTVery thorough....thanks for the info....most I already knew....but you hit some points I hadn't thought of, or seen before. Are you new?....havent seen you before....If you are...welcome aboard!!!!
BTW.....I copied and saved your info,,,, again thanks.. :-)
"If a man does his best, what else is there"?
General George S. Patton Jr.
what the hell is the
October 29, 2008 - 17:55 ET by dark_dswhat the hell is the working families party .... seriously what is it?
did they have a convention and nominate Obama too
why does this endorsement sound like
October 29, 2008 - 21:37 ET by pmohbucka junkie supporting pablo escobar for president