Bloggers Untrustworthy, Threatening to MSM, Journalist Panel Concludes

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Stop the presses!

After Rathergate, the New Republic's Scott Thomas Beauchamp scandal, the protracted coverup of the John Edwards affair story, the ongoing refusal to challenge Barack Obama's claim that terrorist William Ayers was just "some guy" in his neighborhood, and Matt Drudge's history-changing decision to break the Monica Lewinsky story after mainstream media outlets refused to report it, it's clear that bloggers, many of whom spend their time fact-checking stories disseminated by the mainstream media, represent a threat to the mainstream media.

That's the shocking conclusion of a panel of journalists at a National Press Club forum at Johnson & Wales University.

"I think citizen journalism is grossly overrated," says Robert Whitcomb, the Providence Journal's editorial page editor. "It's great for parts of the media to save money. But as rigorous journalism for informing the public, much of it stinks; it's terrible. Many of the citizen journalists have large axes to grind."

And MSM journalists don't?


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eyes

  In computerland, when we get stuck on a problem, we would call in other people. The more eyes looking at a problem the better. You get a different perspective to attack a problem.

  With bloggerland, we get millions of eyes looking at a problem. One of those says "hey, did anyone think of this?" Might be a blogger, might be a commenter. Then it works it way up the chain of bloggerland.

  Yes, the msm is threatened, they no longer have total control of the narrative. 

Sincerely,

a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.

The big three networks

The big three networks should just go back to what they know best: Fake Emergency Room Somewhere, Fake Crimelab Somewhere and Fake Police Station Somewhere.  The Fake News Room just isn't working out. 

"Fake News Room "

FNR?  Is that a new MSM news station?

Yeah. Like The Mary Taylor

Yeah. Like The Mary Taylor Moore Show, The Katie Curic Show,  The Murphuy Brown Show and The Brian Williams Show.  

Journalism is dead. The MSM killed it.

-Dave

Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then campaign against them-Rick Roberts

damn right!

yeah, we're dangerous all right!  The talking heads better look out or their jobs might just disappear.  We take you now to a newsroom in a large television network somewhere in New York City, where the president of the network is saying, "We've got to protect our phoney baloney jobs, gentlemen!!!".      Ha-rumph!!

"Many of the citizen

"Many of the citizen journalists have large axes to grind."

And MSM journalists don't?

Priceless...  the MSM hates the fact that they actually have to do their job now that there is an alternate base to keep them honest.  They all think that merely putting their thoughts down on paper somehow makes them impervious to scrutiny.

 

*grin*

I guess it just goes to prove that one doesn't need an elitist education and a liberal bent to be a "journalist".  One only needs a multimillion dollar contract to believe they are a journalist.

I wonder how long till one of these scared little losers tries to bribe a politician to include the interwebs into the "fairness doctrine"?

MSM is losing this war. A media revolution is happening, but its not the screechy libs who are in charge of THIS anarchy, it's the majority of us; gun-toting, uneducated, religion-clinging, walmart shopping, real Americans.

On a future note, maybe Olbermann can get a job - if one of los illegales doing the jobs that no Americans will do, gets deported.

 

"I've now been in 57 states -- I think one left to go." ~ Barrack Hussein Obama ~

"You cannot go to a 7-11 or a Dunkin' Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent.... I'm not joking." ~ Sen. Joe Biden

*grin*

"I wonder how long till one of these scared little losers tries to bribe a politician to include the interwebs into the "fairness doctrine"?"

Never happen. Just like the "Fairness Doctrine" (a name right out of the prophetic "1984"), it will only silence media where the right has an advantage. Not the alphabet networks, not the taxpayer extorted NPR and PBS, not newspapers, not other publications. Those are already firmly in the grip of the left.

Likewise the internet. It has been noted elsewhere but needs to be re-emphasized - the vast majority of the astroturfing, the unsupported smearing, the rumors, the vile, despicable and the nasty, are coming from the left end of the net. They have a huge advantage over the right on the new electronic media.

They may come up with internet policing mechanisms that favor the left, but they can't stop us now.

Until the only center-right cable station, Fox, and talk radio, where the left has proven an utter failure came along, we conservatives had nowhere to go to get away from the left's propaganda. That's who they'll go after, at least initially. They can't do much about Fox without hurting all their own TV outlets, but who on the left will be hurt by the Fairness Doctrine - Air America and their 3 listeners? 

But the internet is wide open. It gives conservatives not only an alternative news source, but it gives us the ability to communicate with each other that had never existed before. It allows us the research tools to find out the truth for ourselves, something that is already proving invaluable.

Take the recent cases of the phony "rapekitgate" smears and the eswinner astroturfing video. The first was debunked because things like the annual budgets of Wasilla were online and it could be shown there was no line item for "rape kits".

And in the past, once a false story got started, it was totally impossible to trace the source. But it only took a few hours for bloggers to trace the source of a smear video to executives of a left-wing PR firm (who will soon be joining the mob under Obama's bus).   

These types of access to original documentation are unparalleled, and the genie is no longer in the bottle.

However, watch in the intermediate future for other ways the left will try to regulate the internet. Imagine having to get a license to own a computer or get internet access - to protect the public from right wing hate speech. And laws to allow anyone in preferred victim groups to legally pursue white males for being offended by something said on an internet site.

If you think this is far-fetched, you need to become acquainted with the case of Mark Stein (and many others), who has been hounded by the Muslims of Canada because he wrote a book accurately quoting the horrific statements of their own imams. The process is far more advanced up north than here, but the PC movement of the US universities has been spreading into the wider public discourse for decades, with the right always being the target.

Then it's time to settle

Then it's time to settle this. The bias you speak of is out in the open, and it can no longer be ignored. I say, bring it on. The more people see what's going on, the wider will be the resistance.

I have faith that Americans will not stand for open, blatant censorship and the shredding of our way of life. What's happening in places like Canada is not a harbinger... it's a call-to-arms.

 

"... smells like... victory." - Robert Duvall

 "However, watch in the

 "However, watch in the intermediate future for other ways the left will try to regulate the internet. Imagine having to get a license to own a computer or get internet access - to protect the public from right wing hate speech."

That is basically what I was talking about. I just said the "fairmness doctrine" to be quick and dirty way. Your post is absolutely on spot. 

"I've now been in 57 states -- I think one left to go." ~ Barrack Hussein Obama ~

"You cannot go to a 7-11 or a Dunkin' Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent.... I'm not joking." ~ Sen. Joe Biden

Journalists Untrustworthy,

Journalists Untrustworthy, Threatening to America, Blogger Panel Concludes

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help wanted...they "have an

help wanted...they "have an axe to grind:)"

Journalism is the opium of the liberals

MSM loves the net right?

Just what is Obama's agenda? What exactly is his change?  I'm sure on our computer screens we see this election at a 30,000 feet. But, when talking to people at the workplace, or over hearing conversations, there are quite a few people that do believe Palin banned books, and that Obama has a world of experience. Now, how did that happen? um. MSM.. shocker.

 Republicans at my work place are always shouted down, and made fun of to try to dispute anything. Is this the society that the liberals and Obama will bring?

 A friend of mine and a co-worker, who is hispanic; was called a racist by a fellow white co-worker yesterday because she did not support Obama, and was going to vote for McCain. The next morning they posted all pro-Obama printed out ad slogans all over her cube. She felt intimidated to take them down. I went over and ripped them all down, called my boss, and said enough is enough, get control of your employees.

What happened to American courage? We should not be intimidated. Stick to your beliefs and be strong. Sarah Palin does.

The race game seems to be fueled by the the liberals.  Why does MSNBC have a column called "Race in America"??

 What's next? Report your neighbor via website because they 'make too much money' or are 'not patriotic'.. Scary indeed.

That is disgusting behavior.....

by the so called tolerant left. To fight this you must out-disgust them - I would S*** in their cubicle if I worked there. Ha, I really wouldn't but I am imagining their reaction!

I would have left them there...

...and then would have attached a little sticker under each one that said "...is for intellectual children".

Wrong tense

"Is this the society that the liberals and Obama will bring?"

This is the society that liberals have brought.

They are the people they've been warning us about. Fascists, authoritarians, dissent-killers, media-manipulators, central-planners.

Orwell always knew the left was the real threat to freedom. Actually read "1984," or "Animal Farm." It was the utopian left who wrested control in those books, for our own "good."

 

"... smells like... victory." - Robert Duvall

I sympathize with your

I sympathize with your co-worker. I have McCain/Palin signs in my yard, and almost every other house on my street retaliated with Obama signs. I have had to replace my signs twice from vandalism, but I ordered several - knowing how the "other side" thinks. And, this is not a ghetto neighborhood. It is 3/4 million dollar plus (well, at least till last week, lol) homes on 1+acre plots. So, the vandals must be the elite professionals who go by while walking their dogs, or on their "power-jogs".

My daughter pointed out that we are the only family in our neighborhood that drives a fuel efficient car, opens our windows on nice days and hangs our laundry outside.  What's wrong with this picture? (Actually, it's because I am cheap, not because I buy into the MMGW hoax, but even so....)

Can you say "hypocrites"?

"I've now been in 57 states -- I think one left to go." ~ Barrack Hussein Obama ~

"You cannot go to a 7-11 or a Dunkin' Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent.... I'm not joking." ~ Sen. Joe Biden

Mazzi...if you really want

Mazzi...if you really want to get a rise out of your neighbors, build a cross, put it in your yard and put fire wood around it:-) It will drive your Obama supporters over the edge...

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

The MSM and other left-wing

The MSM and other left-wing extremists are very upset. They are losing control of news content. They are being exposed for what they are, the trenchcoat is gone.

I hope the emergency room at the hospitals are ready

  I hope they are ready when McCain and Palin win,for all those in the MSM, and the Hollywood star's will either have a nerves breakdowns or heart attacks

I hope the moving companies are ready...

...for all of the celebrities who scream that they are going to "leave the country" if McCain wins.

Wait, never mind.  If they wouldn't leave after Bush was re-elected, then there's clearly no way to get rid of them.

",,,no way to get rid of them."

Maybe it's time to bring back the concept of "exile."

;^)

 

"... smells like... victory." - Robert Duvall

News is a feast

At the table of news, the MSM has long taken the good seats for themselves, gorging on the abundance. Us bloggers came upon the scene to 'clean up'. Sometimes it was crumbs, BUT sometimes among the crumbs were nuggets of gold! WE were doing THEIR job!

As the MSM became more gluttonous (biased), they left whole plates untouched - much of which were the best stories. Today, we are forced to ask, 'did they do this intentionally?' The answer has become painfully clear - yes.

I am not surprised that 'professional' journalists are quick to minimize the blogosphere because they are obviously are threatened,  but I wonder why so many reporters have their own blog? Makes ya wonder, eh?

www.ArmchairEnergist...

Many of the citizen

Many of the citizen journalists have large axes to grind

Well yeah, I can see why you would think so when those axes are used to chop up the Disinformation Campaign you are so accustomed to snowing the public for your agenda.  Propaganda is only effective when there is no real opposition.

Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.

The only reason the "blogosphere" is a threat to the MSM...

...is because the MSM failed us a long time ago.  If they'd been doing their job, nobody would take it seriously.  The emergence of "talk radio" should have been a wake-up call.  They didn't get it.  They didn't get the Internet either.  I think when the history of this period is more objectively written in 50 years or so, "Rathergate" will be cited as the point where the MSM officially died as the official arbiter of what is news.

Maybe it will be more like

Maybe it will be more like the pebble that started the landslide. If the MSM had learned any lessons from "Rathergate," and made the appropriate changes, they may have avoided the total meltdown they're now engaged in.

But they've plunged ahead, and the impetus is unstoppable now.

 

"... smells like... victory." - Robert Duvall

The Fifth Estate has arrived

The Fourth Estate better be careful for the Fifth Estate has arrived, and in force! The MSM has long described itself as the "watchdog" of society. Now they face a new "watchdog" of their own and they don't like it. They are just as critical over being examined as the people in the public and privet sectors whom the Fourth Estate has "investigated" and "reported" on for so long. Talk about hypocrisy, they are being critically examined and they hate that, yet this is exactly what they do to others!

MSM, how does is feel to have a new-age watchdog reporting your every mistake, false report, and blatant biasness like you have been doing to others for centuries? It sucks being the hunted instead of the hunter, doesn't it? Well, you better get use to it because it's not going to stop.

Obama: My job is above my pay grade

Good point Mr. Cobraman

  Bloggers will never replace journalists. They are a threat in that they fact check journalists and relentlessly pursue stories that journalists do not deem newsworthy because of their bias. 

Sincerely,

a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.

Rambles on the media

Mr. Limbaugh nailed it when he said that the "drive by media is the only business in America that tells its customers 'Screw you'!" 

In every other business, the customer is always right and their criticisms are guideposts to corporate success.  But the media?  Their attitude is "how DARE they criticize US!!!"  And this is eventually what is going to kill them. 

I have tuned out.  My parents cannot figure out why I leave the room, or even the house, when it is time for them to watch ABC World News Tonight (as they still do religiously) when I visit them.  From the time I was 11 onwards I used to watch, then I quit in disgust when I was 21.  And they are SHOCKED when I tell them I rarely, if ever, watch television news.  I can't tell you the last time I bought a newspaper.  If the San Antonio Express News or the Houston Chronicle went under tomorrow, the media would all cry, and cry, and cry some more, but not me, for bad businesses deserve to fail, even in spite of the stupid bailout. 

Can't wait to see them all fold.

Whoever casts a vote for Obama-Biden is nothing more than a common thief.  Whoever fails to vote against them is nothing more than a moral coward.

Orwell could see live people

But if thought corrupts language, language can also corrupt thought.

George Orwell

 

MSM polluting the Air Waves for how many years? 

We tend to think of

We tend to think of "revolutionary" developments as things of the past. The discovery of fire... metal-working... flight.... There is an innate feeling that everything has been discovered. The head of the patent office wanted to close it in the '20s, I believe, because he thought there would be no more "inventions."

But if you think about it, what made the printing press such an acknowledged world-changing influence? The fact that it put knowledge in the hands of ordinary people, right? But it was only half the equation. A one-way telephone, if you will.

The internet, and blogging, has completed the equation. Now, practically any citizen can acquire, and spread, information with less and less "supervision."

Does this lead to abuses? Certainly. But, for the first time, it gives us an ability to research and disseminate "facts" on our own, with no "Big Brother" holding our hands and guiding us.

The right of a "free press" could not be fully realized until the advent of the Internet, or something like it. Until now, the old adage that "freedom of the press only applies to those who own a press" was sadly true. We were beholden to our "betters" to inform us about what was important, and what wasn't.

But not anymore. And the MSM doesn't like it.

Why am I not surprised?

 

"... smells like... victory." - Robert Duvall

Excellent points

You're right. Blogging has brought the checks and balances to the Fourth Rail where none existed before.  Blogging allows anyone to post a story, but it also allows everyone in the world to fact check and post opposing or correcting information about that post.  This is something that has never existed in the MSM before.  Information is now a two-way street instead of a one-way tube stuck down the gullet of the goose funding the press' wallet.

I always say that the person getting pulled over for a ticket is most pissed off at the cop when they KNOW they were breaking the law.  They just don't like being caught and told they were doing it and now have to pay the consequences.  The press are in this mode now.

 

"The moment you give up your principles and your values, the moment you laugh at those principles and those values, you are dead, your culture is dead, your civilization is dead. Period." - Oriana Fallaci

What insightful conclusions by the panel...

What insightful conclusions by the panel! I suppose that it would never occur to the journalists that it is they who are continuing to present an inferior product: "much of it stinks; it's terrible." It's true that journalists use our language better than most of us, use proper grammar, and construct sentences and paragraphs well. Many journalists, however, harbor the mistaken notion that their beliefs and agendas trump the truth. When they continually edit out the truth, justifying its omission with good reasons (to them), and not the real reason, what do they expect? For example, where are the Obama experience stories involving his work at Annenberg? Are journalists just stupid? Journalists go after stories that fit their worldview with a vingeance. Where are they and their editors when the stories don't fit their worldview? They are often missing.

I've never threatened a

I've never threatened a journalist in my life.  Thought about it, but have never done it.

Of course, the only true journalist I know is Paul Harvey. 

 

That which does not kill me had best render me incapable of returning fire.