Et Tu, Noonan?

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After sounding cautiously, perhaps nervously optimistic in today's column about John McCain's choice of Alaska Governor Sarah Palin as his vice presidential running mate ("A Clear and Present Danger to the American Left," September 3), Wall Street Journal columnist Peggy Noonan performed an abrupt about-face in front of a live NBC microphone later in the day, apparently unaware she was being recorded. "It's over," Noonan said, apparently referring to the chances of the McCain Palin ticket sweeping to victory in November. (Link to NBC video clip)

Here is a transcript prepared by Frank James of the Chicago Tribune's blog, The Swamp:

MURPHY: You know, I come out of a blue, swing-state governor world. Engler Whitman, Tommy Thompson, Mitt Romney, Jeb Bush, I mean, and these guys, this is all like how you win a Texas race, you run it up. It's not going to work.

NOONAN: It's over.

MURPHY: Still McCain can give a version of the Lieberman speech to do himself some good.

TODD: Don't you think the Palin pick was insulting to to Kay Bailey Hutchison?

NOONAN: I saw Kay this morning.

MURPHY: She's never been comfortable about that.. I mean

(Someone says something unintelligible.

TODD: Is she really the most qualified woman?

NOONAN: The most qualified no. I think they went for this excuse me political bull---- about narratives...

TODD: Yeah, they went to narratives.

NOONAN: Everytime Republicans do that, because that's not where they live and it's not what they're good at, they blow it.

MURPHY: You know what's really the worst thing about it? The greatness of McCain is no cynicism

TODD: and this is cynical. And as you called it gimmicky.

MURPHY: Yeah.

TODD: Thanks guys.

MURPHY: See you later.

The TV chat came after Noonan's column appeared in the WSJ today. In the column, Noonan wrote:

The choice of Sarah Palin IS a Hail Mary pass, the pass the guy who thinks he has a good arm makes to the receiver he hopes is gifted.

Most Hail Mary passes don't work.

But when they do they're a thing of beauty and a joy forever.

***

Gut: The Sarah Palin choice is really going to work, or really not going to work. It's not going to be a little successful or a little not; it's not going to be a wash. She is either going to be magic or one of history's accidents. She is either going to be brilliant and groundbreaking, or will soon be the target of unattributed quotes by bitter staffers shifting blame in all the Making of the President 2008 books. Of which there should be plenty, as we've never had a year like this, with the fabulous freak of a campaign.

More immediately and seriously on Palin:

Because she jumbles up so many cultural categories, because she is a feminist not in the Yale Gender Studies sense but the How Do I Reload This Thang way, because she is a woman who in style, history, moxie and femininity is exactly like a normal American feminist and not an Abstract Theory feminist; because she wears makeup and heels and eats mooseburgers and is Alaska Tough, as Time magazine put it; because she is conservative, and pro-2nd Amendment and pro-life; and because conservatives can smell this sort of thing -- who is really one of them and who is not -- and will fight to the death for one of their beleaguered own; because of all of this she is a real and present danger to the American left, and to the Obama candidacy.

She could become a transformative political presence.

Perhaps Noonan decided after the column was published that the Palin experiment is "really not going to work." Or maybe that's what she's believed all along.

Whatever her reasons for writing one thing and saying another, Noonan, conservative or not, needs to explain herself.

(Note: This blog post contains the personal opinions of the author and does not reflect the views of his employer.)

Post Script 8:30 p.m.: Peggy Noonan offers a mea culpa after the fact. She says her on-air words were misconstrued. She now says that WSJ editors have allowed her to amend her post and change the headline to "Open Mic Night at MSNBC." The new top portion of the post reads:

Well, I just got mugged by the nature of modern media, and I wish it weren't my fault, but it is. Readers deserve an explanation, so I'm putting a new top on today's column and, with the forbearance of the Journal, here it is.

Wednesday afternoon, in a live MSNBC television panel hosted by NBC's political analyst Chuck Todd, and along with Republican strategist Mike Murphy, we discussed Sarah Palin's speech this evening to the Republican National Convention. I said she has to tell us in her speech who she is, what she believes, and why she's here. We spoke of Republican charges that the media has been unfair to Mrs. Palin, and I defended the view that while the media should investigate every quote and vote she's made, and look deeply into her career, it has been unjust in its treatment of her family circumstances, and deserved criticism for this.

When the segment was over and MSNBC was in commercial, Todd, Murphy and I continued our conversation, talking about the Palin choice overall. We were speaking informally, with some passion -- and into live mics. An audio tape of that conversation was sent, how or by whom I don't know, onto the internet. And within three hours I was receiving it from friends far and wide, asking me why I thought the McCain campaign is "over", as it says in the transcript of the conversation. Here I must plead some confusion. In our off-air conversation, I got on the subject of the leaders of the Republican party assuming, now, that whatever the base of the Republican party thinks is what America thinks. I made the case that this is no longer true, that party leaders seem to me stuck in the assumptions of 1988 and 1994, the assumptions that reigned when they were young and coming up. "The first lesson they learned is the one they remember," I said to Todd -- and I'm pretty certain that is a direct quote. But, I argued, that's over, those assumptions are yesterday, the party can no longer assume that its base is utterly in line with the thinking of the American people. And when I said, "It's over!" -- and I said it more than once -- that is what I was referring to. I am pretty certain that is exactly what Todd and Murphy understood I was referring to. In the truncated version of the conversation, on the Web, it appears I am saying the McCain campaign is over. I did not say it, and do not think it. In fact, at an on-the-record press symposium on the campaign on Monday, when all of those on the panel were pressed to predict who would win, I said that I didn't know, but that we just might find "This IS a country for old men." That is, McCain may well win. I do not think the campaign is over, I do not think this is settled, and did not suggest, back to the Todd-Murphy conversation, that "It's over."

However, I did say two things that I haven't said in public, either in speaking or in my writing. One is a vulgar epithet that I wish I could blame on the mood of the moment but cannot. No one else, to my memory, swore. I just blurted. The other, more seriously, is a real criticism that I had not previously made, but only because I hadn't thought of it. And it is connected to a thought I had this morning, Wednesday morning, and wrote to a friend. Here it is. Early this morning I saw Texas Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison, and as we chatted about the McCain campaign (she thoughtfully and supportively) I looked into her eyes and thought, Why not her? Had she been vetted for the vice presidency, and how did it come about that it was the less experienced Mrs. Palin who was chosen? I didn't ask these questions or mention them, I just thought them. Later in the morning, still pondering this, I thought of something that had happened exactly 20 years before. It was just after the 1988 Republican convention ended. I was on the plane, as a speechwriter, that took Republican presidential nominee George H.W. Bush, and the new vice presidential nominee, Dan Quayle, from New Orleans, the site of the convention, to Indiana. Sitting next to Mr. Quayle was the other senator from that state, Richard Lugar. As we chatted, I thought, "Why him and not him?" Why Mr. Quayle as the choice, and not the more experienced Mr. Lugar? I came to think, in following years, that some of the reason came down to what is now called The Narrative. The story the campaign wishes to tell about itself, and communicate to others. I don't like the idea of The Narrative. I think it is ... a barnyard epithet. And, oddly enough, it is something that Republicans are not very good at, because it's not where they live, it's not what they're about, it's too fancy. To the extent the McCain campaign was thinking in these terms, I don't like that either. I do like Mrs. Palin, because I like the things she espouses. And because, frankly, I met her once and liked her. I suspect, as I say further in here, that her candidacy will be either dramatically successful or a dramatically not; it won't be something in between.

But, bottom line, I am certainly sorry I blurted my barnyard ephithet, I am certainly sorry that someone abused my meaning in the use of the words, "It's over", and I'm sorry I didn't have the Kay Baily Hutchison thought before this morning, because I could have written of it. There. Now: onto today's column.

***

—Matthew Vadum is Editor of Organization Trends and Foundation Watch at the Capital Research Center.


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A Threat

Don't think that only Democrat women a threatend by Palin. When a star is born - watch out.

Noonan is just as out of

Noonan is just as out of touch as the rest of them.You think she shops at Wal-Mart for work boots?Uppity.Move along.

 

Do you have to "shop at

Do you have to "shop at Wal-Mart" to be with it?

Bal

If you prefer K-Mart Bal it is ok.

Great.....now Noonan is a phony too???

I'm going to withhold judgement until she explains herself.....if thats possible.  Geez.....first BOR, now Noonan?  WTF???? 

"If a man does his best, what else is there"?

General George S. Patton Jr.

She expressed her opinion,

As far as her saying it, who gives a rats arse.   Agree with her or not, move on.

As far as did they leave the mic on on purpose to catch something, who knows.

Greg....normally I dont, but there has been.....

too much so-called "opinion" from people I normally have a lot of respect for.  It flies in the face of what they suppossedly represent.  I for one feel betrayed. 

"If a man does his best, what else is there"?

General George S. Patton Jr.

Noonan

 

Shes a complete has been. Just mad because she had no input.

 

Another elitist goes down the tubes. 

As nicely as Noonan can turn

As nicely as Noonan can turn a phrase, she's not exactly the know-all and be-all of political judgement. A lot of conservatives have disagreed with some of her opinions before - at the end of the day, it's really just one woman's opinion. This "leak" another attempt designed to damn Palin, simply makes Noonan look two-faced.

McNotObama '08

Questions

Why did Murphy and Noonan think the mic was off? Did NBC set this up? The rhetorical question from Todd about "most qualified" certainly sounds like a set up to me.  Was this on the air after they signed off for a commercial break? Anyone know the circumstances?  At this point, it's easy for me to believe that the MSM is part of a conspiracy like this.

Not that that changes anything about what Noonan said.  An  opinion is an opinion. Noonan is entitled to it but she has some explaining to do.

 

Questions

I don't know, but satellite dishes used to be open mike for commercials.

Rocky & Bullwinkle '08

Noonan and BOR are both

Noonan and BOR are both stuck on the sound of their own voices.

I wouldn't spend much time

I wouldn't spend much time fretting over whether any columnist (talker) does anything...they to me are almost all soft when the going gets tough and they cave-in the first.

 

Sarah will do a fine job as someone said above me a rising star is taking place..

This reminds me of Law and

This reminds me of Law and Order when the witness changes her testimony on the stand from what she told the cops.

Well, Ms. X....were you lying then, or are you lying now?

I think her opinion and tone

I think her opinion and tone may vary somewhat with which crowd she's trying to impress.

McNotObama '08

The Elites Riot

Peggy Noonan has been so busy focusing on Barack Obama like a laser beam here recently that I'm amazed that she has analyzed the goings on of we mere conservatives.

The hoi-poloi such as Noonan, Sullivan, Dowd, et al., are obviously horrified that a real peson has aquired a chance at real power.

What is going on currently is a media riot. You've heard of police riots? Well, this is a media riot. The well-heeled gatekeepers from the Yale, Princeton, and Columbia's of the world will not let Palin pass. Their excuse  is keeping "order" much the same as those rioting policemen.

They are not going to let the trash have access to their world of priviledge and pampered excess. If you let Palin in, who knows who could be next?

They'll let Obama in because he's a Haaavard man and has been well-schooled in the ways of the ruling class. But if you someone like Palin in just because she has met some measure of nontraditional success, you open the gates to any Joe with talent. Can't do that.

Do you get it? Palin is you, dear reader, and this is what they think of you. You!!??--why they wouldn''t let someone like you within sniffing distance of what they consider their birthright--the right to govern rubes like you.

You better remember this in Novemmber.

Well said Kirk!!!!!!!!

"If a man does his best, what else is there"?

General George S. Patton Jr.

Outstanding!

That hit the nail on the head.

 

You may want to take a look at Noonan's response to the video

"...I got on the subject of the leaders of the Republican party assuming,
now, that whatever the base of the Republican party thinks is what
America thinks. I made the case that this is no longer true, that party
leaders seem to me stuck in the assumptions of 1988 and 1994, the
assumptions that reigned when they were young and coming up. "The first
lesson they learned is the one they remember," I said to Todd — and I'm
pretty certain that is a direct quote. But, I argued, that's over,
those assumptions are yesterday, the party can no longer assume that
its base is utterly in line with the thinking of the American people.
And when I said, "It's over!" — and I said it more than once — that is
what I was referring to."

http://corner.nation...

For what it's worth

One thing I've noticed the

One thing I've noticed the past few days, the piranhas have been so busy trying to tear apart Governor Palin, that they have been negligent in their hourly reports of Obama walking on water...

McNotObama '08

Um, Chris

They forgot to tell you.

The Obama put a foot wrong, and fell through while he was walking on the water.

What they don't want you to know is that he is now all wet.

Shaking his head like a mangy sheepdog. 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

???

TODD: and this is cynical. And as you called it gimmicky.

  ...and nominating a guy because of his skin color who has no experience at all is not a gimmick?

It's time to begin thinking of a new VP?

Sarah, we hardly knew ya'! Good luck with the speech, you need to point to left field and hit the ball out of the park! If not...see ya in the minors where you can work on the swing!Ubercon

and remember

   If McCain/Palin get elected the Washington socialites will have to endure more years in the wilderness.  They hate Bush because he goes to bed at a decent hour and there are no swanky, star studded parties for the elite 'A' listers.  The democrats always bring in the hollywood types and other 'correct thinking' fabulous people.  I'm sure Ms. Noonan is hedging her bets.  She probably wants her invitations to these occasions of sharing important chatter, glorious food and being seen with the right sort of people.  So just consider how these refined folks consider a woman who hunts moose!  Oh the vulgarity!  It's enough to give them fainting spells.

Noonan's response...

It seems the tape may have been altered to make it appear as if she said McCain is over....she was talking about something else.

http://corner.nation...

Peggy Noonan needs to turn out the lights

After witnessing one more "Conservative" acting like Bill Clinton on a beer buzz at Hooters, I have had it with Peggy Noonan.

How dare this woman talk about people stuck in the past when all she has done is ride Ronald Reagan since he gave her the opportunity to amount to something in life.

Foul language, really great example there for Catholics you were representing in cooing about both Popes.

To answer her on Richard Lugar and Kay Hutchinson.

Dick Lugar is as interesting as rock and as Conservative as a moderate.

Kay Hutchinson, God love her, she is the face of Republican past, another Senator which the ticket does not need and the face of the GOP future is Sarah Palin.

Ms. Noonan not being able to figure that out proves what a waste she is in commenting on anything Conservative. At a critical time in American history when the stakes are high, she is the soldier who goes out and lights up a cig exposing is entire company to enemy fire.
For this person to cause this mayhem now is without merit and she is now part of the problem.

Thank God Sarah Palin is going to be the topic of her brilliance in a shining light on that city on a hill which Ronald Reagan envisioned for all Americans and the world.

 

 

*HIC IACET ARTORIVS REX QVONDAM REXQVE FVTVRVS

Et Tu, Mr. Vadum?

So Mr. Vadum did her mea culpa suffice? I appreciate you posting her entire explanation. 

Unfortunately, some of the other things she wrote about in her piece will probably go unnoticed do to the "It's over." flap.

Here are some of the one's I thought were rather insightful.

Let me say of myself and almost everyone I know in the
press, all the chattering classes and political strategists and inside
dopesters of the Amtrak Acela Line: We live in a bubble and have around
us bubble people. We are Bubbleheads. We know this and try to
compensate for it by taking road trips through the continent -- we're
on one now, in Minneapolis -- where we talk to normal people. But we
soon forget the pithy, knowing thing the garage mechanic said in the
diner, and anyway we weren't there long enough in the continent to
KNOW, to absorb. We view through a prism of hyper-sophistication, and
judge by the rules of Chevy Chase and Greenwich, of Cleveland Park and
McLean, of Bronxville and Manhattan.
(e.m.)

And again we know this, we know this is our limit, our lack.

But we also forget it.

And when you forget you're a Bubblehead you get in
trouble, you misjudge things. For one thing, you assume evangelical
Christians will be appalled and left agitated by the circumstances of
Mrs. Palin's daughter. But modern American evangelicals are among the
last people who'd judge her harshly. It is the left that is about to go
crazy with Puritan judgments; it is the right that is about to show
what mellow looks like
. Religious conservatives know something's wrong
with us, that man's a mess. They are not left dazed by the latest
applications of this fact. "This just in – there's a lot of sinning
going on out there" is not a headline they'd understand to be news.

So the media's going to wait for the Christian right
to rise up and condemn Mrs. Palin, and they're not going to do it
because it's not their way, and in any case her problems are their
problems. Christians lived through the second half of the 20th century,
and the first years of the 21st. They weren't immune from the culture,
they just eventually broke from it, or came to hold themselves in some
ways apart from it. I think the media will explain the lack of
condemnation as "Republican loyalty" and "talking points." But that's
not what it will be.

Another Bubblehead blind spot. I'm bumping into a lot
of critics who do not buy the legitimacy of small town mayorship (Palin
had two terms in Wasilla, Alaska, population 9,000 or so) and executive
as opposed to legislative experience. But executives, even of small
towns, run something. There are 262 cities in this country with a
population of 100,000 or more. But there are close to a hundred
thousand small towns with ten thousand people or less. "You do the
math," the conservative pollster Kellyanne Conway told me. "We are a
nation of Wasillas, not Chicagos."
(e.m.)

There was also this;

The mainstream media, which has been holding endless
symposia here on the future of media in the 21st century, is in danger
of missing a central fact of that future: If they appear, once again,
as they have in the past, to be people not reporting the battle but
engaged in the battle, if they allow themselves to be tagged by that
old tag, which so tarnished them in the past, they will do more to
imperil their own future than the Internet has.

This is true: fact is king. Information is king. Great
reporting is what every honest person wants now, it's the one ironic
thing we have less of in journalism than we need. But reporting that
carries an agenda, that carries Bubblehead assumptions and puts them
forth as obvious truths? Well, some people want that. But if I were
doing a business model for broadsheets and broadcast networks I'd say:
Fact and data are our product, we're putting everything into reporting,
that's what we're selling, interpretation is the reader's job, and
think pieces are for the edit page where we put the hardy, blabby hacks.
(e.m.)

She closed with this;

Final point. Palin's friends should be less immediately worried about
what the Obama campaign will do to her than what the McCain campaign
will do. This is a woman who's tough enough to work her way up and
through, and to say yes to a historic opportunity, but she will know
little of, or rather have little experience in, the mischief inherent
in national Republican politics. She will be mobbed up in the McCain
campaign by people who care first about McCain and second about
themselves. (Or, let's be honest, often themselves first and then
McCain.) Palin will never be higher than number three in their daily
considerations. They won't have enough interest in protecting her,
advancing her, helping her play to her strengths, helping her kick away
from danger. And – there is no nice way to say this, even though at
this point I shouldn't worry about nice – some of them are that worst
sort of aide, dim and insensitive past or present lobbyists with high
self-confidence.
She'll be a thing to them; they'll see the smile and
the chignon and the glasses and think she's Truvi from Steel Magnolias.
They'll run right over her, not because they're strong but because
they're stupid. The McCain campaign better get straight on this. He
should step in, knock heads, scare his own people and get Palin the
help and high-level staff all but the most seasoned vice presidential
candidates require.
(e.m.)

 

IMHO, pretty insightful remarks. I wonder if someone at MSNBC got pissed about this: "Fact and data are our product, we're putting everything into reporting,
that's what we're selling, interpretation is the reader's job, and
think pieces are for the edit page where we put the hardy, blabby hacks."
And leaked the "editted" tape to the internet. Given that the MSM is nothing more than a manufactured opinion outlet, I would venture that Peggy's quote is akin to heresy.

Of course, the truth hurts, "It is the left that is about to go
crazy with Puritan judgments; it is the right that is about to show
what mellow looks like
.
"

In the end I hope more people will pay attention to these points, but in this day an age I doubt that will be the case. 

 

 

If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love youBut if you really make them think, they'll hate you.

Don Marquis 1878-1937

HillbillyKing, Thanks

 Thanks for "the rest of the story" Hillbilly, that was very interesting and very good. And Thank the Lord Sarah Palin knocked it outta the park tonight.

kilrod

Remember, only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you, Jesus Christ and the American Soldier

You're welcome kil.

And yes, didn't she knock it clean out of the park!

Btw, I like your tag line.

If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love youBut if you really make them think, they'll hate you.

Don Marquis 1878-1937

TODD: Thanks guys.

Yea, I'll bet. And yes Ms. Noonan you are a Bubble head.

MSNBC will stop at nothing to get their man BHO in the White House .

 

This town needs an enema! - The Joker

Why Pundits Lie

While I don't necessarily agree with what they said, it's kind of refreshing to hear pundits actually say what they think instead of keeping the party line.