Open Thread: Democrats Against Obamacare?
Even though it was their party who rammed Obamacare through Congress, a number of congressional Democrats are publicly airing their own misgivings about the medical regulation law.
Are such misgivings related somehow to the fact that the U.S. Supreme Court might overturn the law?
An increasing number of Democrats are taking potshots at President Obama’s healthcare law ahead of a Supreme Court decision that could overturn it.
The public grievances have come from centrists and liberals and reflect rising anxiety ahead of November’s elections.
“I think we would all have been better off — President Obama politically, Democrats in Congress politically, and the nation would have been better off — if we had dealt first with the financial system and the other related economic issues and then come back to healthcare,” said Rep. Brad Miller (D-N.C.), who is retiring at the end of this Congress.
Miller, who voted for the law, said the administration wasted time and political capital on healthcare reform, resulting in lingering economic problems that will continue to plague Obama’s reelection chances in 2012.
Rep. Dennis Cardoza (D-Calif.) also criticized his party’s handling of the issue, and said he repeatedly called on his leaders to figure out how they were going to pay for the bill, and then figure out what they could afford.
Cardoza, who like Miller will retire at the end of the Congress, said he thought the bill should have been done “in digestible pieces that the American public could understand and that we could implement.”
The most recent wave of misgivings from Democrats began with Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass.), who told New York magazine that Democrats “paid a terrible price for healthcare.”
Frank said Obama had erred in pushing the legislation after GOP Sen. Scott Brown’s January 2010 victory in Massachusetts, which took away the Senate Democrats’ 60th vote.
Most of the second-guessing has come from retiring members such as Frank and Sen. Jim Webb (D-Va.), who this week predicted the law will be Obama’s “biggest downside” heading into the November elections. Such members can afford to be more candid in speaking their minds without offending their leadership, but are also likely to reflect the feelings of other lawmakers in the House and Senate.
The fact that so many retiring members are airing grievances with the law and the dirty way that it was passed in the middle of the night via all sorts of legislative chicanery is surely an indicator that many members running for reelection feel the same way.
- Matthew Sheffield's blog
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This quote from the piece is quite interesting
Submitted by Matthew Sheffield on Fri, 04/20/2012 - 9:43am.
I didn't want to take too much of it in my excerpt though so left it out:
His media will do their best
Submitted by motherbelt on Fri, 04/20/2012 - 9:57am.
His media will do their best to make sure that's not the case.
Popular?
Submitted by jon_torlin on Fri, 04/20/2012 - 10:02am.
I love how they are more concerned about how "popular" something is versus how right, or in this case, how wrong this law is since it violates the 10th amendment.(along with the 4th and 5th and 8th amendment by virtue of the things it has in it like being able to take money from your bank accounts, punish you for not having the insurance, abuse of the government, and so on)
Makes me sick every time the dems give some sort of line of BS like that.
-Jon
It is Constitutional under the Commerce Clause
Submitted by ArcherB on Fri, 04/20/2012 - 11:30am.
The Constitution grants the power to the Federal Government to regulate interstate commerce. This is what makes Obamacare legal. Of course, if you don't have health insurance, you would not normally be regulated under the Commerce Clause. That is why Obamacare forces you to purchase insurance. Now that you have insurance, you fall under federal regulation via the Commerce Clause. It's actually quite simple.
(Yes, I'm being sarcastic)
"To send men to the firing squad, judicial proof is unnecessary."
--Ernesto "Che" Guevara
Ooohh
Submitted by Boudin on Fri, 04/20/2012 - 11:35am.
I thought it was under the health and well being "clause"
???
Submitted by Galvanic on Fri, 04/20/2012 - 12:57pm.
Obamacare comes in under the "Santa" Clause --- if you want something, the Federal government will provide it to you, and you need not worry 'bout where Santa got it from.
I like the sarcasm, but...
Submitted by c5then on Fri, 04/20/2012 - 11:43am.
When Congress authorized HMOs back in the 1980s, they specifically made health insurance NOT interstate commerce. They forced all the health insurance companies to create subsidiaries in each state that they wanted to do business in. This is why you can't buy your health insurance from a Kentucky company if you live in Ohio.
So by law, health insurance does NOT fall under the commerce clause, because it is not inter-state.
NONE of the media are reporting this little fact.
Madison and Jefferson and Franklin built a Republic - Roberts killed it!
Ahhh, here we go
Submitted by IgnatzJFahrquar on Fri, 04/20/2012 - 1:06pm.
Someone polluting the topic with facts.
;-)
Democrats are running for their lives
Submitted by Blonde on Fri, 04/20/2012 - 10:15am.
If I were running against any one of these democrats who voted for O-care, that would be front and center of every campaign appearance and advert.
Democrats like Claire McKasgill are back pedalling as fast as they can, to distance themselves. And as the further "costs" of O-Care come out, and the uber-restrictive choices (can you say death panels?) also come to the fore, even former proponents will rethink their position.
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
For Sale
Submitted by bkeyser on Fri, 04/20/2012 - 9:53am.
Someone suggested this should be the site for the Obama Presidential Library.
+1
Submitted by IgnatzJFahrquar on Fri, 04/20/2012 - 11:31am.
Although, this may be more appropriate
...or this?
Submitted by vrwc13 on Fri, 04/20/2012 - 4:29pm.
..may be more fitting.
v
“I didn’t see no ’tissue’; I just saw a child.” - October Baby
The burden of life is from ourselves, its lightness from the grace of Christ and the love of God. - William Bernard Ullanthorne
Political cowardice
Submitted by Tomorama on Fri, 04/20/2012 - 9:55am.
Matthew to me this epitomizes EXACTLY what is wrong with our system nowadays.
They are all free to talk NOW because they are leaving their offices, where the hell was this courage when it came time to pass this POS?
Nothing but cowards who know are speaking out as it is "safe".
Not that either side has a grip on cowardice either.
I always say do away with a D or an R and we vote for who has the best FN ideas.
We need to pas it to know...........
Submitted by Tomorama on Fri, 04/20/2012 - 10:00am.
By the way - MANY on the right side of the aisle said this as well:
"the bill should have been done “in digestible pieces that the American public could understand and that we could implement.”
Pre-existing conditions were one of a FEW good ideas that everyone agreed on.
Portability, buying across state lines etc, etc.
But nope, the Dems had a mandate where 30 percent of the people wanted this FN monster.........................................
It's still wrong
Submitted by jon_torlin on Fri, 04/20/2012 - 10:05am.
There were far too many things wrong with it, but the underlying part of it, which was the "mandate" which is illegal, kept getting pushed through no matter what.
The whole damn thing needs to be scrapped, but what needs to happen is nothing like this is ever allowed to occur again, anything that violates the amendments in any way shape or form needs to be tossed out without a second thought. This thing violated at least 3 amendments(4th, 5th, and 8th).
-Jon
Obamascare and Political Careers
Submitted by Galvanic on Fri, 04/20/2012 - 10:03am.
The criticism we now here comes from gutless Democrats who didn't have the common sense and courage to buck Reid and Pelosi. Instead, they went along with it, and now that they will no longer depend on the financial support from those powers that be to run for re-election, they want to distance themselves from it.
For my senator -- Jim Webb -- his silence at that time was disheartening. A man who exhibited great courage on the battlefield couldn't stand up to Harry "Milktoast" Reid. His reputation is forever tarnished.
Hopefully, the Supreme Court will kill this monster created by post-2008 election hubris and Leftwing lobbyists -- it may be our last resort.
Senator Webb
Submitted by Model850 on Fri, 04/20/2012 - 4:47pm.
Webb is also my senator, and it is infuriating trying to contact his office about anything.
I've emailed him several times (using the "official" contact form at the senate.gov site) and all I ever get back is the boilerplate "thank you for contacting blah blah blah." Not once has a reply form his office actually addressed the points I raised. At least Warner's office makes an effort to mention the subject of your email.
So I'd email Webb and blast him for his cowardice in not speaking up when Obamacare was pushed through, but I know it wouldn't do any good so I won't waste my time.
Not only does Obama like dog
Submitted by ricklail on Fri, 04/20/2012 - 10:05am.
Not only does Obama like dog he doesn't mind kissing a horse's ass either.
http://weaselzippers.us/2012/04/20/pelosi-this-president-has-been-so-res...
This is as pointless as crying over spilled milk
Submitted by Dave. on Fri, 04/20/2012 - 10:15am.
Our only hope now is for the SCOTUS to rip this hideous law out by the roots, because I don't think the utterly gutless repubs have the balls to repeal it - no matter how much of a majority they may have in the next congress.
What we need to be working toward is getting the federal government the Hell out of health care entirely, as all it has done is drive up the costs exponentially.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
WELL YEAH!!!
Submitted by John WI on Fri, 04/20/2012 - 10:19am.
Of course there are going to be some who are going to speak out about it.......it's an election year.
They're covering their asses so they don't get voted out.
Zimmerman bond hearing
Submitted by Radical1979 on Fri, 04/20/2012 - 10:22am.
Anyone listening to this on CNN? They're going in pretty deep for a bail hearing.
Watching it online Rad
Submitted by bkeyser on Fri, 04/20/2012 - 10:26am.
This defense attorney is destroying this investigator.
bk
Submitted by Radical1979 on Fri, 04/20/2012 - 10:29am.
can you link me the site? On principle I hate CNN. And yes, the defense guy is great, do you think he expected this?
Rad
Submitted by bkeyser on Fri, 04/20/2012 - 10:31am.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-17788230
This investigator never thought he'd have to testify; he's acting like it.
BK
Submitted by Radical1979 on Fri, 04/20/2012 - 10:42am.
Thanks, I put that in my iPhone. Now I can listen and get some of my work around here done.
I just hate it when hubby comes home and asks "So what did you do today?" and I say, umm, hung out on NB, watched the news..
Good one by the attorney, stop me if I'm wrong.... ...Zimmerman walked away from the car
Detective, no he walked towards his car.
Nice job.
Wow
Submitted by Blonde on Fri, 04/20/2012 - 10:41am.
Not much evidence about "continue to follow".
The investigator "witness who saw shadows".
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
The prosecutor is showing
Submitted by Radical1979 on Fri, 04/20/2012 - 10:53am.
the flaws of the case. Unless they have a better prosecutor to come.
I find this fascinating.
The detectives haven't looked into Zimmerman's medical records?
I object
Submitted by bkeyser on Fri, 04/20/2012 - 10:59am.
to the prosecutor continually calling the incident a "crime". That a crime was committed has not yet been established.
looks like ABC come clean
Submitted by ricklail on Fri, 04/20/2012 - 10:59am.
http://moonbattery.com/?p=10783
Zimmerman's head.
Is it just me, ...
Submitted by Newsbubba on Fri, 04/20/2012 - 3:50pm.
... or is it embarrassing that an attorney licensed to practice law in the State of Florida, gets up in front of news cameras and pronounces "temporary," tempa-wary?
He may actually have a future as a host on MSNBC, however.
obamacare
Submitted by stan25 on Fri, 04/20/2012 - 10:23am.
Need to get the lawyers out of the healthcare system too. Reform the tort laws to where anyone filing a frivolous lawsuit is subject to loser pays and make it so that the lawyers can't judge shop i.e. go somewhere that a friendly judge will hear the case instead of throwing it out. This simple action would do more to reduce the cost of health care more than anything else.
Eventually....................
Submitted by creekrat on Fri, 04/20/2012 - 10:26am.
These same cowards scurried for cover after they decided no wmd's were found in Iraq! ( even though there were)
Pel;osi is stooooopid
Submitted by ricklail on Fri, 04/20/2012 - 11:00am.
Pelosi wants to amend the 1st amendment. Most of us know how hard it is to amend the constitution. This just shows how little she knows about the process. I don't think you'd get 38 states to vote for it. Before that it has to get 3/4 of the Senate to vote for it.
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/pelosi-amend-first-amendment
We need to be on guard...
Submitted by c5then on Fri, 04/20/2012 - 11:10am.
On the face of it talking about amending the 1st amendment seems foolish and even stupid. but...
Like a magician on stage...what are they doing with the other hand?
The goal is to stop corporations from having the same ability as the unions. The solution might be to propose the death penalty and then negotiate life in prison. Perhaps their real goal is to pass a law that strips corporations of legal personhood?
Madison and Jefferson and Franklin built a Republic - Roberts killed it!
We are to blame for this...
Submitted by c5then on Fri, 04/20/2012 - 11:01am.
For the past 100 years (probably longer) we have elected career politicians to office instead of regular citizens who feel the call to serve for a short time and then go back to their "real" life. It's no wonder that they are concerned with public opinion instead of "right" and "wrong". All they really care about is getting re-elected or getting elected to a more powerful, prestigeous position that pays more.
In fact it has gotten so bad, that the last Presidential election, the country picked a candidate that had zero business experience and almost zero government experience. But he said vague things that a lot of people sort of thought they liked the sound of.
Until politicians lose whenever they undermine the Constitution, or until they have to undergo impeachment proceedings or recall elections when they ignore or contradict the Constitution, this will continue because there is no down-side to it.
We have Nancy Pelosi, when asked where the Constitution authorizes the Congress to regulate health insurance (which by a previous law is specifically NOT inter-state), responding with "Are you serious??!!!".
We have John Conyers who, when asked the same question, responded with "the welfare clause".
We have a whole slew of elected representatives who think that "to regulate" something means to take complete and absolute control over it.
But mostly we have a whole generation or two of Americans who are completely clueless about their Constitution, the form of government that they are supposed to have and the responsibilites of the citizenry to keep it. They are clueless because the liberals successfully infiltrated the education system and stopped the teaching of all of it. It is easier to subvert the Constitution when the vast majority of the citizens are completely unaware of what the document says.
Madison and Jefferson and Franklin built a Republic - Roberts killed it!
Such a romantic notion
Submitted by Unsane on Sat, 04/21/2012 - 3:54pm.
Actually you lost the fight against the concept of "career politiicians" back around 1787 or so. We have had career politicians as long as we have had a country.
The problem is that this whole idea that regular citizens will answer some sort of higher calling, go into public service for about 5-10 years, and go home, is a romantic ideal that has long clashed with reality. I can't think of many names of people that have done that. I'm not saying that isn't a laudable goal; what I am saying is that it often clashes with reality.
Take the TX Legislature for example. The Legislators in this state get abysmal pay; the thinking is that it will encourage the development of a "citizen legislature". Hardly! You STILL have career politicians in Austin, and indeed, those who do run for the legislature in TX have enough financial "padding" to afford a "career" in TX politics.
And term limits aren't a cure either. The ONLY thing I have ever seen term limits do is to make a lazy electorate even more lazy. Instead of having term limits, you may as well give out a single term for X amount of years. Voters will have less incentive to vote bums out of office, for they just say "Yawn. I'll wait until the term limits force the bum out. Who cares?"
In fact, one good case against term limits is the CA legislature. See any improvement in that state's government since term limits were enacted in 1990?
Besides, term limits aren't a cure for a determined career politician anyway. They will simply move on elsewhere. Term limited out of, say, the HR (assuming Congressional term limits are enacted)? So what? Just move on to the Senate, to high state offices, etc.
Two things, I think, are the cure for this "problem":
1) An admission that "career politicians" aren't the problem: the lack of an engaged, active, participatory citizenry IS the problem. Maybe we'd have fewer "career politicians" if the citizenry got more engaged in what their elected officials are doing, be it at the school board, county commissioner's court, City Hall, State Houses, wherever. A democracy cannot effectively function without one. Bottom line: laziness is the problem.
2) We need to restrict the perks our elected officials receive to one thing: a paycheck. Why do Congresscritters get a pension that is adjusted for inflation after ONE Senatorial term or three terms in the HR? They shouldn't get ANYTHING AT ALL. This aspect might force people to leave Congress sooner than they currently do.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Cartoon
Submitted by ricklail on Fri, 04/20/2012 - 11:20am.
http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/s320x320/578455_101507559022138...
Good one, Rick
Submitted by Blonde on Fri, 04/20/2012 - 11:50am.
Poor Little Bo.
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
Where is
Submitted by ricklail on Fri, 04/20/2012 - 12:21pm.
Where is Bo?
http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/s320x320/75268_3583157708...
Obama found him.
Submitted by bkeyser on Fri, 04/20/2012 - 5:05pm.
Run Bo, run.
Ha, BK!
Submitted by Boudin on Fri, 04/20/2012 - 8:07pm.
Thats great,
This is why o'bama wants a 2nd term
Submitted by ThisnThat on Fri, 04/20/2012 - 12:52pm.
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/04/20/tab-for-uns-rio-summit-trillions.... So that after the U.S. is fully compliant, he can assume the UN leadership, and thereby rule the world.
__________
“Didn't win the Medal of Honor? Didn't even serve? Then lie about it. We'll support you." — 9th Circuit Court
Is there a better symbol of willed American decline?
Submitted by upcountrywater on Fri, 04/20/2012 - 12:59pm.
Discovery’s Final Flight
Neil Armstrong, James Lovell, and Gene Cernan are deeply skeptical. In a 2010 open letter, they called Obama’s cancellation of Constellation a “devastating” decision that “destines our nation to become one of second or even third rate stature.
” Which is why museum visits to the embalmed Discovery will be sad indeed. America rarely retreats from a new frontier. Yet today we can’t even do what John Glenn did in 1962, let alone fly a circa-1980 shuttle.
You Didn't Build That.
Right, UCW
Submitted by deadeyedan on Fri, 04/20/2012 - 3:28pm.
Crushing to think we will repeat the mistake of having a hiatus from human space flight like that of the Jimma Carter era.
Ironically, the dilly-dallying of the Carter years allowed the first genuine space station, Skylab, to meet its demise through orbital destabilization and now we abandon the International Space Station with only the Russians to support it.
During the seventies it was fascinating to watch the Lamestreamers blame NASA for the loss of Skylab, claiming they should have been more aware of warnings that increased solar activity would raise the height of the atmosphere (did I hear that right - that solar variability could affect earth's atmosphere?) and cause the destabilizing that would lead to its ruin.
Of course, they ignored the fact that Carter was paralyzing NASA first by failing to continue support for perfectly good, disposable rockets that could have done the job (Thor, Titan) and then insisting on the "time and money saving" system-by-system testing of shuttle hardware rather than the tried and true component-by-component method that got us to the moon.
When systems failed tests - of course they would - they had to be dismantled piece by piece to determine which of its components failed, actually causing more delay and costing more money. Because of this nonsense the shuttle could not meet the deadline for rescuing Skylab.
There is more to it than this, but the Lamestreamers would also lack the vigilance to point out this fascinating feature of the year 2009:
Fraud in Medicare, $60 billion; fraud in Medicaid, $60 billion; fraud in the Bernie Madoff scandal, $60 billion, for a total of $180 billion. NASA's 2009 budget; $18 billion, or 10% of fraud for that year!
And did they point out the indignity of what the Obummer appointee Charles Bolden said in an al Jazeera interview? Just swallow this one, it really only takes a minute and a half to figure out where it's going:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e857ZcuIfnI
GLOBAL WARMING - authoritarian, rather than authoritative, science
ded, All that 'payload" that could have been left in orbit.
Submitted by upcountrywater on Sat, 04/21/2012 - 4:53pm.
but no, it flew back at hypersonic speeds, the plus side, that had to be lots of fun.
Maybe it was a space "littering " issue?
The mass, that was sent aloft to orbit , had enough combined mass to build some of these launched from space.
As if NASA is working on a pressure suit to go with your yt clip, no paper work just a handshake moslemTaqiyya partnership...
One good reason to visit Hawaii next June...Could rain tho, heh heh
Here is some additional info... once in a lifetime....
You Didn't Build That.
A whore by any other name
Submitted by ricklail on Fri, 04/20/2012 - 1:12pm.
Great piece, no pun intended, from the guys over at This ain't hell but you can see it from here
http://networkedblogs.com/wFoeM
He hath sold his heart to the old Black Art
We call the daily Press.
From the The Press by Rudyard Kipling
http://www.poetryloverspage.com/poets/kipling/press.html
Here you go ladies
Submitted by ricklail on Fri, 04/20/2012 - 1:40pm.
Big Nicholas Sparks weekend in New Bern. If you are not here by now you have missed lunch with him at $250 a plate. Don't worry you can have brunch at his home on the Trent River Sunday for only $1250 a plate.
http://www.sparksevent.org/
Red carpet preview of his new movie, The Lucky One. tonight. I don't guess my wife is high enough in society to get an invite.
On 'This Week', Sunday: George Will vs Olbermann.
Submitted by SickofLibs on Fri, 04/20/2012 - 2:28pm.
I might actually watch it.
Nah, not really.
If I had a dog
Submitted by ricklail on Fri, 04/20/2012 - 2:41pm.
it'd look like the one Obama ate
http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/s320x320/574472_101506827...
A sub-thread within this thread:
Submitted by needle on Fri, 04/20/2012 - 4:46pm.
With all these Democrats -- and more likely in the future -- bailing out with respect to ObamaCare, what tack will the Liberal MSM take, if the Supreme Court overturns the monstrosity? Will MSM double down as they themselves go down the tubes? Or will they suddenly become more philosophical and circumspect about the mess they helped so much to create?
- Looking forward to the self-annihilation of the Manipulated Stories Machine.
Nothing to see here, move along
Submitted by vrwc13 on Fri, 04/20/2012 - 5:16pm.
It will become non- news faster than Sandra what's her name...
v
The burden of life is from ourselves, its lightness from the grace of Christ and the love of God. - William Bernard Ullanthorne
Ha, you have a good line there.
Submitted by needle on Fri, 04/20/2012 - 5:40pm.
However, with ObamaCare so integral with Obama, it being the center piece of his agenda, and its fate so tied to his re-election, regardless of what the Supreme Court does, I suspect that would be pretty tricky to pull off. For example wasn't Axelrod -- perhaps after snorting a line or two of coke -- saying a week or so ago that if the Supreme Court overturns ObamaCare it would energize the [Democratic] electorate?
Perhaps we could be treated to the spectacle of an intra-party dispute with some calling it a legislative abortion and some passionately defending it. I think that would be difficult for the media to ignore, besides being entertaining.
- Looking forward to the self-annihilation of the Manipulated Stories Machine.
Come on, you know this,
Submitted by Boudin on Fri, 04/20/2012 - 8:03pm.
They will use it as a campaign issue no matter what. It's either look we tried, but those rotten Repubs, or See, we told you, we can tell you what to buy,,,, do,,,,,,think,,,,,,
If they dont toss this, it will heighten the importance of the next election dramatically. What I worry is, the Court does toss it, and folks get complacent.
The proposed topic for
Submitted by needle on Fri, 04/20/2012 - 10:22pm.
The proposed topic for consideration is: what will the media do if the Supreme Court overturns ObamaCare.
Personally I cannot imagine the Progressive packed MSM moving on and just forgetting about it. If that is what the MSM were to do, then there might be a possibility of apathy, however medical costs will still be increasing and probably noticeably faster than the CPI, which would work against apathy. But it seems to me that the MSM is not going to forget about this issue for the foreseeable future; they have been hyping it for a lot longer than Obama’s last 3+ years. I think they may set up a pattern of griping about and trying to discredit any measure or set of measures that is anything less than a totalitarian takeover of our lives, which is their ultimate objective.
- Looking forward to the self-annihilation of the Manipulated Stories Machine.
But not quite as fast as the speed with which H. Cain's ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Fri, 04/20/2012 - 9:55pm.
accusers disappeared once he dropped out of the race. :o)
MD
I despise those women.
Submitted by Radical1979 on Fri, 04/20/2012 - 9:59pm.
Still.
Why, as fast as those women disappeared, one would
Submitted by UpNorth on Sat, 04/21/2012 - 12:02am.
think that their stories were made-up, lying, Bovine Scatology, MD.
ANWR...10 years later.....
Submitted by motherbelt on Fri, 04/20/2012 - 5:06pm.
Former Newsbuster contributor Warner Todd Houston has a great column today at Publius Forum:
ANWR: It's been 10 years, we could have been reaping the rewards now.
Democrat Maria Cantwell in 2002:
I believe there is no way to justify drilling in ANWR in the name of national security. Oil extracted from the wildlife refuge would not reach refineries for 7 to 10 years........
Time flies, Maria....but what the hell....if we start now it will be ANOTHER 7-10 years, so why bother?
...just more smoke and mirrors from the land of OB
Submitted by vrwc13 on Fri, 04/20/2012 - 5:15pm.
...check out this.
"ANWR is a giant wildlife preserve. It is a thin crust of land floating on a giant underwater ocean of oil. A small area on the coast (area 1002) is being proposed for drilling. For size comparison, if ANWR is a football field, the drilling area is a tic-tac."
These two pictures in the article say it all:
I spent the better part of ten years in Alaska, six at Prudhoe Bay, which is adjacent to ANWR... and it looks mostly like this.
v
“I didn’t see no ’tissue’; I just saw a child.” - October Baby
The burden of life is from ourselves, its lightness from the grace of Christ and the love of God. - William Bernard Ullanthorne
No kidding
Submitted by jon_torlin on Fri, 04/20/2012 - 5:18pm.
I want to physically clobber anyone who says "oh we won't see anything for three years" or give some stupid arbitrary number. Oops, does that mean the SS will be coming for me next?
Anytime someone gives me a number that sounds like it'll take forever when I'm at work, my response is "Ok, let's get started, the sooner we start, the sooner we get done."
Simple logic.
Oh wait, these are liberals we're talking about, logic doesn't compute.
-Jon
Apparently the Dear Ruler ate Hitler's dog, and he's PO'd
Submitted by Dave. on Fri, 04/20/2012 - 10:19pm.
http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/2012/04/19/hitler-finds-out-obama...
LOL - Sorry, but I had to lighten things up a bit, as my BP is perpetually well into the danger zone these days.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
I agree, Dave....saw that
Submitted by motherbelt on Fri, 04/20/2012 - 10:40pm.
I agree, Dave....saw that yesterday and have been emailing it to family and friends. Those Hitler mashups are always good for a laugh.
Oh, and this one, since we're going to the humor..... A Bad-lip-reading video that's hard to tell it's a joke....
Good evening Dave
Submitted by cocodrie on Fri, 04/20/2012 - 10:52pm.
Thank you Dave. That told me what to cook for supper tomorrow. German shepherd pie.
Jesus Loves You so much He died for you
Uh, you're not going to believe this...
Submitted by bkeyser on Fri, 04/20/2012 - 10:58pm.
The Obama Justice Department is referring people to Media Matters for America in reference to Fast and Furious.
No. Really.
Actually, BK, I do believe it.
Submitted by UpNorth on Sat, 04/21/2012 - 12:03am.
I'm just surprised Eric the Holder didn't refer them to Kos or DU.
The story is up on Breitbart
Submitted by motherbelt on Sat, 04/21/2012 - 8:56am.
The story is up on Breitbart this AM
Get the popcorn!!