Open Thread: Herman Cain Suspends Campaign
Republican candidate Herman Cain is suspending his bid for the Republican presidential nomination to avoid continued news coverage of allegations of sexual misconduct that is hurtful to his family.
“I am suspending my presidential campaign because of the continued distractions and the continued hurt caused on me and my family,” Cain told several hundred supporters gathered at what was to have been the opening of his national campaign headquarters.
Cain’s announcement came five days after an Atlanta-area woman claimed she and Cain had an affair for more than a decade, a claim that followed several allegations of sexual harassment against the Georgia businessman.
“But because of these false and unproved accusations, it has paid and had a tremendous painful price on my family,” Cain said, with his wife, Gloria, standing behind him on the stage.
The liberal press, which covered up and defended for Bill Clinton and John Edwards, has taken another Republican scalp. What are your thoughts?
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my thoughts are...
Submitted by MidAmerica on Sat, 12/03/2011 - 5:21pm.
This sad episode for Mr. Cain could have been prevented if he had really sat back before he began and said to himself "Is there anything in my past that can be used against me?". If there is, then the candidate better be prepared ahead of time to deal those issues in a politically manageable way. I'm sure in business Mr. Cain did not just wing it when making long term plans. Running for office takes the same amount of long term preparedness.
What really ended the Cain campaign is not the allegations but his own responses to them. What the allegations showed is that he's not ready for the big ring. I like Mr. Cain but the country and the world are in desperate need of experienced leadership right now. This country has already tried amateur hour in the Whitehouse. We need to get back on track.
Well put, MidAmerica
Submitted by Galvanic on Sat, 12/03/2011 - 6:09pm.
I agree with you.
Cain seemed very unprepared for this campaign. Beyond his responses to the allegations, he seemed too dismissive of legitmate questions about foreign policy, giving the impression that he's not knowledgeable of international affairs.
Nice guy with an impressive record, but un-Presidential.
I agree.
Submitted by BBallleaper on Sat, 12/03/2011 - 6:51pm.
I never supported him, but then I don't support any of the GOP candidates. Is this the best America has to offer to combat this communist government? I don't want pizza! I want filet mignon,...and the GOP cafe doesn't currently have it on the menu! Still starving for Conservative ideals, ability, experience and leadership. And it doesn't appear that I'll be dining any time soon!
BBallleaper.....We rarely have an opportunity in our
Submitted by Rush Fan on Sat, 12/03/2011 - 8:54pm.
lifetime to vote for a perfect candidate. Most of the time, it comes down to choosing the best of two deficient candidates. I would hope that when you make your final decision, you will vote for the Republican nominee. Do you really want the inexperienced Socialist disaster in the White House to have four more years to wreak havoc?
Mid America.....Let me add my agreement as well to
Submitted by Rush Fan on Sat, 12/03/2011 - 8:47pm.
your lucid post. Personally, I like Herman Cain, although I did not believe he was our best qualified candidate for the presidency. But by Cain entering the race, it helped to diminish somewhat, for those who label themselves independents, the racist label that the Left, including the Leftist mainstream media, has associated with Republicans. Of course, a Republican Black man as a candidate had no affect on the lunatic Left, who believe that an individual, regardless of the color of his skin, is not really Black if he is a Republican.
Hi all
Submitted by MidAmerica on Sat, 12/03/2011 - 9:11pm.
As annoying as the media double standard is they actually did us a favor in this instance. Cain is not out because of media bias. He's out because he is not a trained politician. Running for the Whitehouse is not a place to START a career in politics. As I said above it is not the allegations that stopped Mr.Cain but his responses to them.
Media bias and double standard did not do in Cain. The bias and double standard is the lack of any scrutiny of obama.
So you want a trained
Submitted by Martin2717 on Sat, 12/03/2011 - 10:21pm.
So you want a trained politician in the WH? See, that's the problem with DC today. Too many politicans that don't give a crap about want the public wants. At the end of the day, it's we the people that decide their fate. Not the media. How else did you want Cain to respond the way he did to these ridiculous allegations with virtually a lack of details? I'm not accepting the double standard. That's the problem with a lot of conservatives that do. This garbage has got to stop.
Cain:
Submitted by bkeyser on Sat, 12/03/2011 - 5:22pm.
Either he did these things (or some of them to some degree) and he doesn't have the integrity to admit to them - and therefor shouldn't be president- or he's innocent of all of these charges and we're seeing the effect of the progressive smear machine. I suspect probably a little of both, since he hasn't fought these allegations with much fervor. The last one would have been quite easy: Show me the text messages. If he was innocent, and simply helped her with financial issues as he claimed, the text messages would have likely indicated such.
He wouldn't have won the nomination regardless, so his role now should be relative silence though the first couple of primaries, then maybe endorse one of the remaining two or three candidates - but only with their blessing.
Good luck Mr. Cain. It seems it's awfully hard to break into DC at that level as an outsider.
his lawyer did request the texts
Submitted by dmacleo on Sat, 12/03/2011 - 5:36pm.
but was unable to force getting them.
Yeah, I heard that
Submitted by bkeyser on Sat, 12/03/2011 - 5:54pm.
Text massages are a two-way street, however. If Cain replied, they could have offered their replies. If not, they could have shown her to be a serial harasser. Instead, they chose to end the campaign.
I may be wrong
Submitted by dmacleo on Sat, 12/03/2011 - 7:10pm.
but I think he had only replied to a very small percentage.
can't find the link on that now though.
but if getting a ton anyways (I am sure being on the road as candidate leads to lot of these) his logs may not have gone back far enough.
I waited for Cain's responses to the allegations, . . .
Submitted by Galvanic on Sat, 12/03/2011 - 6:14pm.
. . . and they were weak. If he is innocent of all this, it should be a one-day story. But today's announcement suggests that the allegations are partially or wholly true, and showstoppers.
I think its likely that Cain
Submitted by redfish on Sat, 12/03/2011 - 7:20pm.
I think its likely that Cain was friendly to women without actually going over the line. At any rate, even if he is innocent, his decision to suspend the campaign may also be due to the fact that he thought he lost momentum and didn't want to split the anti-Romney vote. He may be looking to be Newt's VP choice.
There are few who would run for office, I am sure, who are---
Submitted by matthewdean on Sat, 12/03/2011 - 5:29pm.
without flaws.
Until such time as conservatives and Republicans are willing to fight back using the methods the Lib-Dims have found to be successful, they are using a wet noodle as a weapon in a knife fight.
Hell, I would be happy if they would just make an attempt to fight back.
MD
Couldn't
Submitted by grammajane on Sat, 12/03/2011 - 8:42pm.
agree with you more. Seems these candidates have no fight power and allow the media to spread lies and gossip until it's to late. Am wondering why Cain didn't use the legal system, if all this is untrue. It baffles me that none of them put up a fight. Newt will be next, and am sure Romney and Perry will be right behind being slammed. None of this compares to clinton, kennedy, lbj, or edwards but if the fight is refused, the media will ruin all of them.
Another notch in the MSM's belt
Submitted by 26CX on Sat, 12/03/2011 - 5:30pm.
There's nothing that Cain could have done to survive once the MSM started attacking him. Nothing. And Cain won't be the last person to go down under their attacks. My guess is that Newt will be the next GOP candidate to be taken out because he's now doing better than Romney (the media's preferred GOP candidate). Watch and see.
If they decided to turn on him, even Obama would be done for in less than a month.
As I've said before, it's the media and not the public who decides who the candidates for president will be. We're all being led by the nose.
Cain
Submitted by Jersey Girl on Sat, 12/03/2011 - 6:24pm.
This man was not qualified to be President of the United States.
Further it would have been more honest to end his campaign rather than keep himself eligible for taxpayer funds.
Jersey Girl
Submitted by 26CX on Sat, 12/03/2011 - 7:05pm.
Then why didn't the media go after his lack of qualifications to be President of the United States?
Do I detect a Freeper, Jersey Girl?
Submitted by BBallleaper on Sat, 12/03/2011 - 7:19pm.
I have been a member of Free Republic since 1998, almost at it's inception. You would think the world had ended over there. I am still at a loss at how literally hundreds if not thousands of Freepers supported Cain. It seemed to be summed up in the idea that they were not going to let Axelrod and the lamestreet media defeat them again. It wasn't so much their fervent belief in Cain as a candidate but rather that they were mad as hell at how he was so mistreated. Don't get me wrong. Every one should back the candidate of their choice but I assure you there is no current GOP candidate I support. And yes, I feel sad for my country, and isolated by the lack of choice. I assure you it is NOT a pleasant feeling to start each day with that in my craw!
With freepers like you,
Submitted by Kansasgirl on Sat, 12/03/2011 - 9:08pm.
who needs enemies.
To Jersey Girl
Submitted by Scrap Iron in Texas on Sat, 12/03/2011 - 10:50pm.
Your contention that Cain was not qualified to be president means that you believe that BHO IS qualified?
And if so, in what way is BHO qualified for ANYTHING?
Before politics (for which he was groomed for years) his experience is as a "comminuty organizer". whatever that is.
What makes you think he
Submitted by redmike on Sun, 12/04/2011 - 7:06am.
What makes you think he wasn't a natural born citizen at least 35 years old?
As for the role of the media in this sad story,
Submitted by zenman1661 on Sat, 12/03/2011 - 5:31pm.
I feel they were basically doing their job in covering a high level political figure. The problem is that some do it with too much fervor when it is a Republican and most of the press don't don't do their job much at all when it is a Democrat.
Just another nail - - -
Submitted by pbthinker on Sat, 12/03/2011 - 5:31pm.
This is just another nail, in the coffin of the MSM. Whether this is true or not, the burden of proof seems to be so much lower, for the press to do a story on a Republican than it is on a Democrat. Just look at what it took for the MSM to print anything about John Edwards!!!
Republicans will never get the same coverage as Democrats to they might as well either toughen up or stay out. If Romney were more Conservative, he'd be getting the same coverage but he's the MSM's favorite Republican so they just aren't digging yet. They will, when it's election time and their favorite candidate needs their assistance. Until that time, they want to make sure they get the candidate they feel will be the easiest to beat and also, if it doesn't happen, they can live with at the same time and for them, that candidate is Romney.
There has to be a kernel of truth to this last one or Cain would be suing. I know, if I hadn't done anythiing, I'd have these people in court so fast their heads would be spinning. The fact that they're not indicates to me somethings' up.
There is a lot going on
Submitted by ricklail on Sat, 12/03/2011 - 6:04pm.
There is a lot going on between John Edwards and the courts right now but the MSM is not reporting it. His woes are in the news here at least once a week. They are still covering his sorry arse
Sorry Mr. Cain
Submitted by Caringwhiteguy on Sat, 12/03/2011 - 5:34pm.
The best term I can think of for your comments today is "Weasel Words".
Cain dropping out does
Submitted by MidAmerica on Sat, 12/03/2011 - 5:43pm.
Cain dropping out does not help obama, dems or the media in the long run. It actually helps the challenge against obama. We could use a couple more candidates dropping out. Having too many candidates who are too evenly supported just leaves the Republican race a constant public brawl, Republican against fellow Republican.
The media have now officially
Submitted by ex buff e-dub on Sat, 12/03/2011 - 5:57pm.
The media have now officially completed their transition from reporting to biased commentary to advocacy to activism.
Best of Luck to him
Submitted by Sue963 on Sat, 12/03/2011 - 6:03pm.
I agree with Mr. Cain's decision but would like him to do one more thing. If these charges are false, as he states, then he needs to fight them to the bitter end now. Mr. Cain can draw the line in the sand saying that if you make false charges you will pay dearly for that decision. Otherwise, the lesson the media and the opposition has already learned is to use character assassination and use it often, and they win by default, and now they can hang another trophy on their wall of lies.
I understand Mr. Cain's
Submitted by LinTaylor on Sat, 12/03/2011 - 6:16pm.
I understand Mr. Cain's decision and can certainly sympathize, but I'm definitely going to miss his presence in the campaign. I only hope that these issues get sorted out in time for him to re-enter the race.
As for the MSM, now we get to endure the smug bragging from the likes of Brian Williams and Chris Matthews as they act like they were responsible for bringing down some kind of reprehensible criminal as opposed to engaging in a campaign of libel designed to help one of the worst Presidents we've ever had stay in office for another four miserable years.
If he is out of the Presidential run
Submitted by Tidy Bowl Man on Sat, 12/03/2011 - 6:18pm.
What about a Vice-Presidential run. Who would he complete on a Republican Ticket?
The mark of Cain
Submitted by celticman on Sat, 12/03/2011 - 6:29pm.
Cain was never ready for prime time. He never bothered to establish an organization nationally, only a book tour. He never bothered to develop a platform, only 9-9-9 over and over again. He never showed any leadership, despite his experience. He has developed a pattern of helping needy women. Why do they feel they can come to him so brazenly for help, why does he give in. This last one he admitted knowing foe 13 years, giving money to, without his wife's knowledge or consent. Something is hinky there with just the facts on file, much less any deeper digging.
He was not a conservative anyway- wanted to give government MORE power to collect a VAT tax on each level of production, collect a sales tax nationally, as well as an income tax- imagine the IRS in charge of that! He supported the bail outs, and never even had an advocacy record for anything before entering the race.
Not a VAT.
Submitted by Bumr50 on Sat, 12/03/2011 - 6:52pm.
The fact that you refer to the national sales tax as a VAT invalidates anything else that you said.
Do your homework and come back later when you're prepared to do more than discredit a candidate in favor of someone else.
It's a consumption tax. Google it.
never understood how the VAT stuff got started
Submitted by dmacleo on Sat, 12/03/2011 - 7:19pm.
but it took hold, unfortunately.
Michelle Bachmann.
Submitted by Bumr50 on Sun, 12/04/2011 - 9:14am.
Well, Bachmann took it upon it herself to criticize Cain's plan at a debate, going so far as explaining exactly how a VAT worked...
Some people just don't bother to research these things before jumping to conclusions, and NO ONE on stage or in the media took her to task for it. They were more than happy to call it a VAT. Most of them don't know the difference anyway.
I've been extremely disappointed in Bachmann. I was an early supporter, but she has beclowned herself on several occasions now.
Some people are willingly blind when it comes to economics. I actually called the Beck show one day because they kept referring to Cain's sales tax as a VAT, and after a short discussion they informed that they don't "buy" that they already pay imbedded federal taxes in everything that they purchase. Like they don't exist.
Bumr50,Now Michelle thinks she should get Cain supporters
Submitted by upcountrywater on Sun, 12/04/2011 - 12:24pm.
Michelle, Is a tax gal, and all her CPA buddies need the IRS to be, complicated. Classic Bachmann...
Shove these 3 words ...9 9 9.... Oh, so very Christian of you, as you thought that was a message from the DEVIL.
As if she deserves my support,what a shallow fool.
You Didn't Build That.
I am leaning to Gringrich
Submitted by Dan The Man 2 on Mon, 12/05/2011 - 7:16am.
I am leaning to Gringrich right now. I am a Cain supporter and he disappointed me. I still support him.
the proverbial straw
Submitted by mom_rox on Sun, 12/04/2011 - 12:25am.
for me was when it was revealed that Herman Cain gave money to Ginger White without telling his wife. I could see that happening if it were a trivial amount, but the amount has not been revealed which leads me to believe that it is significant.
So, a guy gives a significant amount of money to a woman without telling his wife about it? very, very fishy.
What we have witnessed today is a...
Submitted by Order270 on Sat, 12/03/2011 - 7:26pm.
...modern day lynching--21st Century style. The media set up the tree, Axelrod grabbed the rope and the public stood around with nothing to do but kick the horse.
I feel bad for Mr. Cain. But I feel sad for America. A conniving mulatto who cries racism at the sound of a bell and in cahoots with a free press systematically destroy a viable presidential candidate with what adds up to nothing more than gossip.
It's a sad day indeed.
Well, the libs got what they wanted
Submitted by NJRightWinger12 on Sat, 12/03/2011 - 7:34pm.
They were going to get him out of the race by hook or crook! And speaking of race, gee, anyone complaining about racism here?
Here's the deal
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Sat, 12/03/2011 - 7:39pm.
If I'm Herman Cain, and none of these rumors are true, and I've just been forced to give up my dream because of their lies, . . . well, I'm also a very rich man capable of making what's left of their lives, unbearable.
And they'd never see it coming,
Is Herman Cain acknowledging illegitimate son?
Submitted by HollyW on Sat, 12/03/2011 - 7:48pm.
Apparently it was the Daily Rash story about the disabled shoe salesman in North Carolina claiming he's Herman Cain's son that drove Mrs. Cain over the edge. I guess I don't blame her. http://www.thedailyrash.com/disabled-shoe-salesman-claims-he-is-herman-c...
Goes right along with their
Submitted by celator on Sat, 12/03/2011 - 8:13pm.
Goes right along with their other stories:
"Barney Frank In Salary Negotiations For Elmer Fudd Role"
"Al Sharpton: America’s First Illiterate News Anchor",
"Former President Jimmy Carter Banned from Neighborhood Park"
"Ron Paul Hands Out LSD to ‘Occupy Wall Street’ Protesters"
"‘Occupy Antarctica’ Protester Carries On Despite -50 Degree Temperatures"
Very funny website.
Oh, man, SHUT UP!
Submitted by NJRightWinger12 on Sat, 12/03/2011 - 11:48pm.
Thats the first I heard about that, please! Come on, the man suspended his campaign, aint that enuf for you libs?
This all makes me ill. I
Submitted by amyshulk on Sat, 12/03/2011 - 8:09pm.
This all makes me ill. I briefly thought Cain was the one to back, but the more I heard him, the less I liked him for President. He said what I would say, and I expect more than that. I want to learn and grow, not be echoed.
That said, just the fact that he would buy into the sob story from Ginger White tells me he lacks judgement.
Ronald Reagan
I want to know
Submitted by bolivar on Sat, 12/03/2011 - 8:29pm.
who paid these bimbos off? It all comes down to money and they were all bottom feeding tramps who used the opportunity to "get theirs" and the latest one is Judas Iscariot in female form. Whoever paid for this should be brought to light. Don't give a crap if true or not - the scummy kind of stuff Obummers thugs are famous for is very suspicious. I don't buy the line they "had" to come out - they are paid, threatened or otherwise "convinced" to do this despicable thing.
I want to see the perpetrators excoriated like they have done to an innocent man. Character assassination is evil and scummy people don't deserve to be hidden any longer. Daylight on the whole situation would be a welcome thing now wouldn't it? You know as well as I do we will never know who did it (unless somebody actually grows a conscience).
I don't understand why all
Submitted by ricklail on Sat, 12/03/2011 - 8:32pm.
I don't understand why all this didn't come out when he ran for the senate. Not to make fun of it but it is a moo point now. I hope he sues their socks off. I still want to see the proof all these bimbos had.
They didn't have Obummers
Submitted by bolivar on Sat, 12/03/2011 - 8:38pm.
They didn't have Obummers deep pockets. His thug minions have done this kind of crap before - he has not run for a real election until president. He got the other candidates records magically unsealed or signatures on petitions declared invalid on technicalities. No, Obummer is scum as are all his minions. I see a hot time in eternity for him and Axlerod and all the rest of the gang......
Sadly we have seen the LSM
Submitted by Scuba Dude on Sat, 12/03/2011 - 8:38pm.
Sadly we have seen the LSM put another notch in their belt. Were Herman Cain be a Democrat this would have been swept under the rug and ignored. Remember how they "reported" on Bill Clinton?
The LSM is once again picking and choosing who THEY want for the GOP candidate.
I liked Herman Cain, I liked his message. I did not fully support 9-9-9 (mainly the national sales tax) but I felt it was something that could have been fleshed out over the coming year.
We see who the LSM wants to run against President Downgrade. Mitt Romney or Huntsman. Now that they have pushed Cain out they will be even more emboldened to start the smear machine against the rest of the candidates.
I didn't agree with
Submitted by bolivar on Sat, 12/03/2011 - 8:48pm.
I didn't agree with everything either but, he had a valid message and was NOT from DC. He resonated with real people like NONE of the current remaining cast of idiots do. Newts baggage is rotten, Mitt is a wuss with a silver spoon in his mouth, Paul is like my nutty Uncle - some like him but, cannot explain him - REALLY and as for the rest they don't stand a snowballs chance. I love Michelle Bachmann but, the LSM is even more violently rabid about a smart, attractive Conservative woman in the highest office. Look at what they did to Sarah and her family. It is shameful and they have no shame.
EXPAT anyone?
Submitted by Scuba Dude on Sat, 12/03/2011 - 8:45pm.
EXPAT anyone?
They are now going after Gingrich
Submitted by gopcongress on Sat, 12/03/2011 - 8:56pm.
Newt is next. They are actually advertising in Craigslist to solicit people to wreck Newt's bid, claiming they did the same thing to Herman Cain.
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/pol/2734105655.html
"The news and truth are not the same thing." -Walter Lippmann (1889-1974) FOLLOW ME ON TWITTER
And it will work too
Submitted by ckc1227 on Sat, 12/03/2011 - 10:00pm.
Anyone who doesn't think there's a woman waiting in the wings in case Newt is the candidate is fooling themselves.
Don't know how long it worked,
Submitted by UpNorth on Sun, 12/04/2011 - 12:19am.
but the link is dead now. I'm sure it'll appear again, worded differently.
These asshats are sowing the seeds of something that they won't know how to handle.
If anyone wants to chat about
Submitted by Scuba Dude on Sat, 12/03/2011 - 9:06pm.
If anyone wants to chat about the special on Huckabee with the candidates come over to this chat room. Keep it clean.
http://us2.chatzy.com/289283718863
The Marxist State Media is
Submitted by Dave. on Sat, 12/03/2011 - 9:24pm.
The Marxist State Media is going to pick our presidential candidate.
Again.
We’d better hope we get enough conservatives in congress who have the stones to stop Obama, as given the Dear Ruler is sitting on a $1 billion reelection slush-fund, as well as having 98% of the MSM’s support, I don’t even see a resurrected Ronald Reagan prevailing against that.
-And most certainly not the Newtered RINO or Mittens RINOmney.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
Affairs Scandal, Not So Much
Submitted by rammingspeed on Sat, 12/03/2011 - 10:11pm.
His gaffe about China. His 11 second spaceout about Libya. Case closed right there.
Just my opinion....
Submitted by TeachertT on Sat, 12/03/2011 - 10:32pm.
I liked what Herman Cain said. I wasn't really gung-ho about his national sales tax. (yeah, the federal government won't raise that up everytime they want more money. lol)
I can't see him being a V-P. Can you imagine what the LSM would say about the "optics" of that? We are already tarred and feathered as racists. They would say he was just a "house-boy", etc.
Yes, I think the media had it out for Herman. It has been amazing to watch them go from one candidate to another. There isn't even a sense they are trying to hide it. We talk about how the LSM takes these guys down, but they wouldn't be able to if the American public wasn't dumb as a box of rocks. The more I watch these proceedings the more convinced I am there is no hope. If we had an electorate who could critially think, they would recognize the LSM wasn't doing their jobs. Instead we are paying more attention to American Idol than to what our local congessmen are doing, at the local, state, and federal level. I am proud to say I have never watched American Idol :) but I am guilty of not always being on top of who is representing me locally. Of course, I live in Illinois, so my choices are very limited. It depresses me when I see and talk to so many people who are willing to give up their freedoms for some "stuff" or "security".
I am trying to do my part, and trying to raise my children to think critically to everything they hear. Be it advertisements, or a salesman. (Really, isn't a politician just another kind of salesman?)
Question, Question, Question. Don't believe everything you hear. Those are adages I try to follow. (Is that the right word, adages?)
Huckabee had an EXCELLENT
Submitted by Scuba Dude on Sat, 12/03/2011 - 11:06pm.
Huckabee had an EXCELLENT forum with the Republican candidates that I hope you go to Fox and try and find the video or transcript of the show.
The setup was 3 State Attorny Generals, Ken Cuccinelli of Virginia, Pam Bondi of Florida and Scott Pruitt Pruitt if Oklahoma.
Each candidate was interviewed one at a time for 11 minutes with the AG's asking a nice range of questions,
The only ones who were not there were Huntsman and Cain.
This by far has been the BEST forum I have seen the candidates in and I truly hope that more like this are in the making. No gotcha questions by libturd journalists,
I hope Grumpy will watch it so we can see his analysis of it.
Not a debate either
Submitted by jon_torlin on Sat, 12/03/2011 - 11:14pm.
This wasn't a debate, which was a good thing, and the answers were very revealing. Even the body language was revealing. If anyone missed out on this, you missed out on a really good show.
Hopefully Fox News will have the video up soon as well as a transcript. I imagine it'll get re-run later on, but I don't know the schedule.
-Jon
were you replying to ScubaDude?
Submitted by texasborngranny on Sun, 12/04/2011 - 12:29pm.
with: 'This wasn't a debate..." since Scuba said, "Huckabee had an EXCELLENT forum..."
otherwise you're absolutely correct in saying anyone who missed it, 'missed out on a really good show.'
Not really
Submitted by jon_torlin on Sun, 12/04/2011 - 12:44pm.
I mentioned it in my subject line, but I was trying to clarify that it wasn't a debate as opposed to what it was, a forum, basically a Q&A panel.
-Jon
Huckabee's program
Submitted by Chaitealover on Sat, 12/03/2011 - 11:21pm.
will be rerun 4 times: Midnight tonight [Saturday], and 5, 8, & Midnight tomorrow [PST]
Chai
Thanks scooby and Chai*
Submitted by cajun2 on Sat, 12/03/2011 - 11:47pm.
Saw it but will be watching it again. It was the best format of any of the debates. There were no slanted questions for gotchas. This was all great questions that required answers of substance from each candidate. I can see why Huntsman didnt show up.
Each question forced the candidates to reveal a lot about themselves and their views on constitutional issues. No spin tonight.
For all NBers who still have not chosen a candidate because of Cain and Palin dropping out really need to watch this show. It was very interesting.
Whos Grumpy?
Submitted by NJRightWinger12 on Sat, 12/03/2011 - 11:45pm.
From Fox, or another network?
What? You never heard of
Submitted by Scuba Dude on Sun, 12/04/2011 - 12:20am.
What?
You never heard of Grumpy?
Well here is an example of his analysis.
Awww, shucks Scuba...
Submitted by Grumpy in Arizona on Sun, 12/04/2011 - 9:49am.
... No need to tell the world! You know how I hate publicity!
- Grump :o)
P.s.: The analysis is now finished... its just a matter of deciding on which OT to post it... Your call, and Thanks.
Your analysis, your call on
Submitted by Scuba Dude on Sun, 12/04/2011 - 9:58am.
Your analysis, your call on where to post Grump. Looking forward to reading it!!
OK Scuba… It’s posted over on the “Weekend OT”
Submitted by Grumpy in Arizona on Sun, 12/04/2011 - 10:26am.
Thought it would be better over there as it’s a more ‘generic’ thread.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2011/12/03/weekend-open-threa...
Thanks again!
- Grump :o)
As I said on another thread
Submitted by killa37 on Sun, 12/04/2011 - 12:05am.
As I said on another thread earlier today...........in todays political climate, you can be a white Democrat who has been proven to have raped, molested, and harrassed - as well as had affairs with - a number of women..............and STILL become a two-term President. But if you're a black Republican and conservative (hell, forget the 'black' or 'white' qualification!!!), you are deemed to be unsuitable to even RUN for office if you have some unprovable allegations against you..............that's just the way it is - end of story!!!
I'd like to see Cain as a cabinet member in the new Republican administration - it would make the MSM and the libs go nuts!!!
I Wish He Hadn't Withdrawn.
Submitted by Avitar on Sun, 12/04/2011 - 2:14am.
Now the MSM is going to their "Guilty! Guilty! Guilty!" dance of celibrations and anyone even speaking to him will be painted with a tar brush. He is too good of a man for that to happen to. It was done to Goldwater over nothing. It was done to Nixon over very little. It has now been done to Herman Cain. I recomend that Herman Cain gets back in the race to give himself a strong point to defend.
I Wish He Hadn't Withdrawn.
Submitted by Avitar on Sun, 12/04/2011 - 2:15am.
Now the MSM is going to their "Guilty! Guilty! Guilty!" dance of celibrations and anyone even speaking to him will be painted with a tar brush. He is too good of a man for that to happen to. It was done to Goldwater over nothing. It was done to Nixon over very little. It has now been done to Herman Cain. I recomend that Herman Cain gets back in the race to give himself a strong point to defend.
Everytime the media has a
Submitted by Rusty Shackleford on Sun, 12/04/2011 - 3:43am.
Everytime the media has a victory like this it just emboldens them to be even more aggressive with the next threat against socialism. Hunker down folks because the media's going to get even worse as we get closer to 11/2012, and all you conservatives who say "I hate the media and I don't like Sarah Palin because the media told me that she's stupid" are the reason the media can do this.
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Chris Matthews: The Joy Behar of MSNBC.
Bill Maher: The Joy Behar of HBO.
Paul Krugman: The Joy Behar of The New York Times.
I really wanted Cain, he was
Submitted by Dan The Man 2 on Sun, 12/04/2011 - 6:40am.
I really wanted Cain, he was a breath of fresh air.
My wife and I have cell
Submitted by ampul man on Sun, 12/04/2011 - 7:12am.
My wife and I have cell phones, but the only time they are on is when we are (rarely) separated.
There are times it seems, that whenever I turn mine on, I am bombarded with text messages (spam). They are not read and are deleted on the spot.
My question is, who keeps 13 years worth of messages on their phone? Are they available in cyberspace?
CNN, the Clinton News Network---Bill decides; Hill reports
Who has a 13 year old cell
Submitted by Scuba Dude on Sun, 12/04/2011 - 9:58am.
Who has a 13 year old cell phone? I myself have had at least 6 cell phones during that time and I have never transferred the text messages from one phone to the next.
old stuff from past
Submitted by jon_torlin on Sun, 12/04/2011 - 10:37am.
This reminds me of the time that this one couple supposedly had one of those cell phone recorders in their cadillac (Rush said a lot of this with HEAVY sarcasm) and recorded a cell conversation with Newt and they just felt so guilty about doing that and etc.
-Jon
The mainstream is obsessed with sex scandals
Submitted by lrgon on Sun, 12/04/2011 - 12:05pm.
and not enough attention is properly given to the nation's state of the economy were words to that effect from Ron Paul when asked about Herman Cain's alleged affairs.
Posted on the HermanCainForums.com,
http://www.hermancainforums.com/index.php/topic,1824.0.html
the site’s administrator announced his intention to switch allegiance to the Paul presidential campaign. The administrator, using the username “Constitution,” wrote:
"Now that Herman Cain has dropped out of the race my new candidate is..... Congressman Ron Paul.
Ron Paul was the only candidate that actually had remorse for how the media treated Herman Cain and the alleged affairs,..."
Good morning irgon
Submitted by cocodrie on Sun, 12/04/2011 - 12:12pm.
You failed to mention - conservatives have sex scandals, liberals have private affairs not to be made public.
Jesus Loves You so much He died for you
He also failed to mention
Submitted by UpNorth on Sun, 12/04/2011 - 12:49pm.
that he's a Paulbot.
UpNorth
Submitted by amyshulk on Mon, 12/05/2011 - 4:57am.
No need - skimming his post I saw right after his linky, the name Paul & I stopped reading :-P
Ronald Reagan
Good luck to all you Cain detractors with Mittens RINOmney
Submitted by Dave. on Sun, 12/04/2011 - 2:49pm.
You are going to need it come election day, because the Marxist State Media is going to take the Newtered RINO out next.
And once Romney gets the nod, they are going to hang him with Romneycare and his closet full of flip-flops.
Count on it.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
Maybe,
Submitted by Boudin on Sun, 12/04/2011 - 2:56pm.
I cant tell you how sick I am about these recent developments. I am now considering Santorum or Bachmann, only because they actually talk about the constitution more then the others. Perry will get a closer look as well. But dont get me wrong, I still think Obama is toast.
After last night
Submitted by jon_torlin on Sun, 12/04/2011 - 4:04pm.
I hope more and more people watch that forum/panel that was Huckabee's show last night as it gets re-played or the video linked to be watched. It's really worth the time to watch it. I almost didn't watch it myself last night(not a fan of Huckabee), just came across the announcement of the show 30 minutes before it came on and figured "what the hell" when I saw how it was going to be done, especially when I found out who was doing the questioning.
If more people see that, they can make a really informed decision.
I'm just annoyed with the fact that in some new show that came on after that (Justice or something?) where Huckabee and the AGs were guests of to offer their comments, Huckabee, RINO that he is(which is why I'm not a fan), threw his hat in with Newt and Mitt even though the AGs(and the judge hosting Justice agreed) said Perry was the one that did the best. They didn't even bother commenting on Santorum or Paul, which I thought was interesting, because they were the worst, especially Paul and I place him dead last.
So if anyone wants to find out the cold hard facts of their candidates, this is the show to watch. Now if they can set up a debate this way.....those candidates would get more grilled than Dave can grill a steak on his Weber. ;-)
-Jon
Jon.....I'm not a fan of Huckabee either, but I watched part
Submitted by Rush Fan on Sun, 12/04/2011 - 4:56pm.
of his show. The unique forum made it much more informative.
However, the candidate we may eventually like and want to support may not be the candidate we should vote for. The most important goal in the upcoming presidential election is to defeat Barack Obama. Nothing else matters.
Therefore, I will base my final decision on not who I like the most, or who comes closest to my conservative values, but who has the best chance of defeating Obama. That is the person I will vote for, EVEN IF that individual is a RINO, or a libertarian like Ron Paul. I believe there is no Republican, even a RINO Republican, that can wreak as much havoc on this great nation as another four years of Barack Obama.
Rush Fan
Submitted by amyshulk on Mon, 12/05/2011 - 5:07am.
Ditto on Huckabee - I tried watching his show, but didn't care for it. I DID however greatly enjoy the forum! I thought Newt actually did quite well, since I tend to think like him a bit ie: lots of Macro ideas, not so good on the micro part.
I'm with you on the gotta replace Pres. Obama part, and as much as I've said congress matters more, IF we don't run out the far lefties and install at *least* blue dogs, it WILL matter who we get.
I see Mitt as spineless, and congress will lead him by the nose. Newt has a spine of steel, and we will have more of the gridlock we have now, but blame will fall on the R's *much* harder.
At issue here is we need a leader. ALL of the possibles are C's, just of slightly differing degrees - the big question is who among them is persuasive enough to get the I's to *see* their world view and why what must be done MUST be done!!!
Ronald Reagan
Hi amy..... Although I currently believe that Romney would
Submitted by Rush Fan on Tue, 12/06/2011 - 2:20am.
attract more independents and disenchanted Democrats than Gingrich, I agree with you that I wish that Romney had Gingrich's "spine of steel." However, before this Republican horse race is over, you may see a tougher side of Romney, as he doesn't appear to me to be the type (especially the second time around) to lose this race without a fight.
Moreover, you really never know how someone is going to conduct themselves as President once elected. Who would have thought that George W. Bush would have stayed steadfast and strong in fighting the war on terror, when his Leftist critics, especially the Leftist media, constantly criticized and disparaged him?
If Mitt Romney is able to defeat clueless Socialist Obama, we will have to keep the pressure on Romney to not stray from the Conservative track. As for Congress, I also agree with you that we should work to unseat RINOs like McCain, Gramnesty, and entrenched Washington Republicans such as Boehner . We need fresh blood and fresh ideas, if we are to get this country back on the road to prosperity.
Rush Fan
Submitted by amyshulk on Tue, 12/06/2011 - 3:21am.
That's it exactly! Pres. Regan wasn't "Reaganesque" until events proved out, so all this "He/she is no Reagan" talk ticks me off!
Big picture, 2006 & 2008 was "progressive" D's taking charge and ramming their pent up ideology through, so 2010 was the pendulum swinging back at them.
This bs where 18-20% of the nation has the other 80+% dancing to their tune has GOT to stop!!!
Whether it's the TP or OWS that raises awareness - I don't much care. Just as long as they get people to *really* pay attention and decide which side has the correct path, or the surface/uninformed stop voting *until* they become more informed!
Whoever wins in 2012, will have to make *very* sure they explain why the D ideology creates/prolongs recessions/depressions, and why the C ideology *will* work before they start ramming, or we'll just yo-yo again in 2014!
So while this race has the look and feel of IDOL, hopefully there are more like me out there that finally started to pay attention and realize this is self destructive and will vote based on facts, not spin.
BTW - I now know why older people vote in greater numbers - when you are younger, work, family, etc. take up ALL your time, so you don't/can't spend any of it digging beneath the "narrative" of the day to get at reality!!!
Ronald Reagan
Russian voters deal Putin an election blow
Submitted by upcountrywater on Sun, 12/04/2011 - 3:37pm.
Guess the folks that once lived in COMMIE Russia, didn't want a re-run.
Vladimir Putin's ruling party suffered a big drop in support in a parliamentary election on Sunday, exit polls showed, as voters signaled their growing unease with his domination of Russian politics before a planned return to the presidency next year.
You Didn't Build That.
Let's be Clear...
Submitted by Santino Corleone on Mon, 12/05/2011 - 12:28pm.
Anyone of the republican candidates would be a better POTUS than Obama. Cain was lynched by the MSM, who don't even pretend to be unbiased anymore. Cain, Bachman, Romney, Newt---would govern circles around Obama and they would act in the best interest of the US (at least that would be their intention) not against it. Where are the cries of racism from the MSM, NAACP, Jesse Jackson, etc? It's all so blatantly hypocritical.
I know we will find flaws with all the republican candidates---especially with the MSM doing cavity searches---but I will vote for whomever is on the ballot vs Obama come Nov 2012 and we will all be better off if they prevail.