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By Matthew Sheffield | April 10, 2008 - 07:34 ET

An early morning start to your day. Posts may be sparse today as NewsBusters staffers attend the 21st annual "DisHonors Awards," the MRC's fake award show that pokes fun of the worst examples of media bias in 2007.

The nominees are here.

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OMG....took a quick peek at

OMG....took a quick peek at the nominees, and the first thing I read is this from the "America Makes Us Sick" winner (emphasis added):

We pay the soldiers a decent wage, take care of their families, provide them with housing and medical care and vast social support systems and ship obscene amenities into the war zone for them, we support them in every possible way,

Gee, and there I thought we had soldiers who were living on the edge of destitution, families on food stamps, substandard housing, breaking up families, they are the underclass who are incapable of doing anything else.....when all along we have been treating them like royalty, supporting them in every possible way!!!

ROFLMAO!!!!

Big news in Cali

 

LAT: Ovitz tells of hiring Pellicano. Full of sordid details. Didn't HRC deal with Pellicano? My memory is a little fuzzy on the matter.

Diane the liberal talking head....

GMA this morning had an interview with Colin Powell. At one point he said (paraphrasing) "We cannot maintain the troop levels where they currently are. There will have to be some draw down. However, we cannot just pull our troops out immediately either. All three candidates know this." Diane (I can't stand to listen to her) Sawyer jumped on the 'cannot maintain current levels' and pressed Powell on why he didn't force McCain to 'admit that to Amercia' but didn't even touch the other side of what Powell said about not being able to pull out immediately. If she even pretended to be anything but a screaming liberal, she would have asked Powell why he didn't 'force' Hellary and Obama-lama-ding-dong to admit that they couldn't pull troops out immediately like they have been saying.

It wasn't bias, but it sure was stupid.

This morning I accidently caught the Today Show and Matt Lauer was interviewing a female teacher who was assaulted by one of her students in the classroom.  They showed the video of the attack and Lauer actually said (paraphrasing), "I see you had trouble viewing this video.  It's tough seeing someone violate your personal space isn't it?"

No kidding Matt.  I bet you'd sure enjoy watching a video of someone beating the crap out of you.

(sigh)

Didn't someone have video of MATT cheating on wife?

Bet he didn't like watching that video of him with another woman, did he?  Where do these "amazing questions" come from?  I do some sports on radio and TV and hope I never ask such stupid questions!

Matt... Should have asked

Matt...

Should have asked the Teacher "don't you sometimes wish you could take a baseball bat to school with you and club the first kid that get's near you"?

Sorry Matt, I have a more reality based view of things. 

"Abstain from McCain"

  He wasn't a violator

  He wasn't a violator of her personal space.

He was an "entrant." 

 MSM - shaping all the perceptions you need to believe.

...YAWN!...

"Forecasters Predict Busy 2008 Hurricane Season!"

Um...deja vu, anyone?

"Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war"  - Shakespeare

I am sure if the Warmmongers

I am sure if the Warmmongers say it every year before the upcoming season. It will come true sometime. Then they can say "See, I told you so". I forgot what their excuse was for the lame last season.

But, but... Helen

This time they really, really, really mean it! Really! ;-)

They're serial.  "An

They're serial. 

"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last."  - Sir Winston Churchill

fly-over country just

fly-over country just checks the farmer's almanac

it's been freakishly accurate for over 100 years

Totally serial.

Totally serial.

I'm no genius but this statement

Their seasonal forecasts have met with varied success in the past few years...

seems to conflict from the their last three years of predictions and reality that are posted in the link.  Maybe my idea of "varied success" differs from theirs.

 

Apparently "varied success"

Apparently "varied success" is the euphemism for "failure."

Just as no one expects the

Just as no one expects the Spanish Inquisition, none of these prognosticators could have anticipated the Karl Rove weather machine.  You have to cut them some slack. 

"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last."  - Sir Winston Churchill

 Someone please remind me,

 Someone please remind me, if we get very few storms (as in the last couple of years) that means global warming, but if we get a lot of storms that (also) means global warming? Just want to make sure I have my "fact's" straight.

 

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

Exactly.  It's very

Exactly.  The problem is very complicated.  Just remember the solution is to take all your money and send it to algore.  And turn off all your lights and stop driving your car.  The electricity will be required to power his mansion and various townhouses and the gas can be used to power his jets and limos.  The solution is really very simple, peasant.  Al knows best ... the debate is over.

"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last."  - Sir Winston Churchill

Exactly

It's exactly like CO2 emissions being blamed, in the 70's, for the then-coming ice-age, and now for the coming ice-melt (which has apparently already stopped, and we're cooling back off...).

Fascism is a religious conception in which man is seen in his imminent relationship with a superior law and with an objective will that transcends the particular individual - Mussolini

And we're too dumb to

And we're too dumb to understand it anyway, so as hunter says above, just shut up and send your money to Algore!

Sniff sniff

*wipes single tear of joy from eye*

 

POWELL: BACKSTABBING MODERATE (he always was)

COLIN POWELL, BACKSTABBING MODERATE (he always was)

EXCLUSIVE: Powell Praises Obama, Fears Afghanistan Growing ‘More Difficult’ Than Iraq
CRAWFISH NOTE: If there was ever a doubt about the
uselessness of trying to bringing mushy moderates into GOP leadership,
its gone now. Here we have Powell (again) undermining “his” Party.
Praises Obama? What for? His dress? His smile? His hollow fantasy
speeches?
Obama is the most liberal person in the Senate (translation: a strident
secular socialist). Mr. Fantasy is a clueless non-achiever and Powell
praises. Thanks a yahoo, Colin.
Let this be another in the litany of lessons for GOP leadership who now gutlessly do things for all the wrong reasons.
Don’t bet on the lesson taking though.
“Stupid is as stupid does” and the GOP sissy boys are loaded with that these days.

Doug Schexnayder, Ph.D. (theconservativecrawfish)

First, reelman, your link

First, reelman, your link goes to the CC blogpage, but says "not found."


Praises Obama? What for? His dress? His smile? His hollow fantasy speeches?

Agreed. Powell can only be praising him because he is the first (half)black man to have a good shot at the Presidency. Either that, or he likes Obama's policy of humiliating ourselves by negotiating with those who want to kill us.

mb/Powell

mb,

Powell praised Obama for his speech he gave after the uproar about Wright, he said while he doesn't agree with all that Wright said his speech on race was great, he said he knows all three candidates running and likes them all, doesn't know who he will vote for yet.

Precious eh?

Not the first time he has been a back-stabber anyway....IMHO.

As far as the three of the candidates he chooses, I could care less.

McCain had his little business meeting today with Bloomberg presenting him, a couple of the things he said drove me nuts, he said we need to sacrifice and conserve energy (he of all people was speaking of oil)..plus he wants the Justice Dept. to investigate the mortgage companies, there was more, I will stop here, haven't really looked too hard yet for a link...may later. 

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill

Yeah, bt, he probably

Yeah, bt, he probably thought it was cool how Obama turned the subject from his hateful pastor into a "conversation about race" which HE decided we needed to have, so that he could instruct us.

As for McCain, Michelle Malkin has a post on her blog today about his "hispanic outreach director" "Juan Freakin' Fernandez!"   as someone here likes to call him (I forget who it is LOL) speaking at Baylor tonight.

Get the duct tape before you watch the video of Hernandez with some of his "greatest hits".....

if you think Powell's a

if you think Powell's a back stabber just wait until we get frackin President McCain...

Now un-avoidably our next ("Republican") president

my favorite from last year

My favorite from last year's awards:

Runner-up for "Quote of the Year" award:

“You know, I wanted to sit on a jury once and I was taken off the jury. And the judge said to me, ‘Can, you know, can you tell the truth and be fair?’ And I said, ‘That’s what journalists do.’ And everybody in the courtroom laughed. It was the most hurtful moment I think I’ve ever had.”— Co-host Diane Sawyer joking on ABC’s Good Morning America July 12, following a report on how some people try to avoid serving on a jury.

 

How Shit Happens In the

How Shit Happens

In the beginning there was a Plan.

And then came the Assumptions. And the Assumptions were without form.

And the plan was without substance.

And darkness was on the face of the Workers. And they spoke among themselves, saying "It is a crock of shit, and it stinks".

And the Workers went unto their Supervisors and said "It is a pale of dung, and none may abide the odor thereof".

And the Supervisors went unto their Managers, saying "It is a container of excrement, and it is very strong, such that none can abide by it".

And the Managers went unto their Directors saying "It is a vessel of fertilizer, and none may abide its strength".

And the Directors spoke among themselves, saying one to another "It contains that which aids plant growth, and it is very strong". And the Directors went unto the Vice Presidents, saying unto them "It promotes growth, and it is very powerful".

And the Vice Presidents went unto President saying unto him "This new Plan will actively promote growth and vigor of this company, with powerful effects". And the President looked upon the Plan and saw it was good. And the Plan became Policy.

This is how shit happens.

Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.

This isn't just how

This isn't just how shit happens.... this just fully described the BH Obama campaign. Well, with the VP/P being the people, and the Directors being the MSM.... minor details!

Fascism is a religious conception in which man is seen in his imminent relationship with a superior law and with an objective will that transcends the particular individual - Mussolini

Dan the man 2

He has the youth vote and a load of crap

<gaia/love>SAVVVE The Whales N' Earth; conserve N' recycle !

IranianUranium<sleep>New/Infrastructure/repair?/ROFLMAO

 

Too busy being an eveeel

Too busy being an eveeel capitalist today for a proper Shrub Report®, but here are three items of absolutely zero importance for you:

 

The mighty Penguinis kicked some Canadian bacon last night.

 

In 1992, Sam Kinnison was killed by an underage drunk driver.

 

In 1982, justice was carried out as the devil herself, Barbara Streisand, was knocked out the the #1 spot on the UK album charts by Iron Maiden's "Number of the Beast". Thank you, Eddie, and co.

 

Whitewashing Katie's Performance

From CBS MarketWatch this morning: "Couric shouldn't be judged a TV-news failure". It goes on to say "Couric's show has been a ratings disaster, for sure, but CBS took a worthwhile risk". [BTW, for those of you who haven't heard, the Wall Street Journal said Wednesday night that Couric was expected to leave the post before her contract expires in 2011, the latest gloomy prediction since she took the coveted job in 2006].

Just like all liberals, if it feels good, then it's ok. I guess CBS thought that Dan Rather's attempt to smear George Bush was a "worthwhile risk" too?

Well, goodby Katie, it wasn't good to know ya. Don't let that door hit you on the way out.

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If you can read this, thank a teacher. If it is in English, thank a Soldier. - My barber

Well, TnT, we can take

Well, TnT, we can take solace in the fact that CBS will be paying painfully to honor their megabucks contract with Miss Katie until 2011....

Kind of like the TV contract version of how Robin Williams described divorce (paraphrasing): from the Latin "divorcear" which means to extract one's testicles through one's wallet ..LOL!

You gotta love it!

More Commercials

Yes more commercials at higher fees will fix that. Watching the NCAA tournament final on CBS was torture (I should have taped it) because it was about an hour of basketball and 90 minutes of commercials.

ahusser... Boy oh boy

ahusser...

Boy oh boy have you got that right about the commercials on during the NCAA games...especially the closer to the finals.

We both screamed here at times!

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill

BT

In the final I recall there was a 4 or 5 minute commercial break. Then about 1 minute of basketball when one of the teams took a time out then another 4 or 5 minute commercial break. I literally started screaming at the TV.

Anyone else having site

Anyone else having site problems? I keep freezing up, stalling, taking forever to connect and change pages, and getting a (temporary) tiny font....

Can;t PM the Masthead...they are busy today...LOL...not that we deny them their fun; they deserve it! 

I was yesterday, but seems

I was yesterday, but seems to be better today. 

 

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

mb, Not those problems today

mb,

Not those problems today - not yet, anyway. I've been having problems the last several weeks, with the pages shaking/jumping and the text changing from rich to back again, sometimes losing the comments I'm typing in the process.

Yeah, MB, lots of problems

Yeah, MB, lots of problems earlier today. Got weird crash notices around noon, telling me the server must be down if I couldn't log in. LOG IN??? I couldn't even get to any part of NB, let alone log in.

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If you can read this, thank a teacher. If it is in English, thank a Soldier. - My barber

Connection problems most

Connection problems most of the afternoon.

Jer

A florist goes to a barber

A florist goes to a barber for a haircut. After the cut he asked about his bill and the barber replies: "I'm sorry; I cannot accept money from you; I'm doing community service this week". The florist is pleased and leaves the shop.

Next morning, when the barber goes to open, there is a thank you card and a dozen roses waiting for him at his door.

Later, a cop comes in for a haircut, and when he goes to pay his bill the barber again replies: "I'm sorry; I cannot accept money from you; I'm doing community service this week". The cop is happy and leaves the shop.

Next morning, when the barber goes to open, there is a thank you card and a dozen donuts waiting for him at his door.

Later, a Republican comes in for a haircut, and when he goes to pay his bill
the barber again replies: "I'm sorry; I cannot accept money from you;
I'm doing community service this week". The Republican is very happy and leaves
the shop.

Next morning, when the barber goes to open, there is a thank you card and a dozen different books such as "How to Improve Your Business" and "Becoming More Successful".

Then a Democrat comes in for a haircut, and when he goes to pay his bill
the barber again replies: "I'm sorry; I cannot accept money from you;
I'm doing community service this week". The Democrat is very happy and leaves
the shop.

The next morning when the barber goes to open up, there's a dozen Democrats lined up waiting for a free haircut.

Ain't it the truth.

Ain't it the truth. LOL>

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If you can read this, thank a teacher. If it is in English, thank a Soldier. - My barber

School Choice for Muslims

great example - thanks!

great example - thanks! These American Muslims really need inter-faith community partners to help them avoid this

otherwise this is what can happen when we leave them alone:(

You have to be pretty

You have to be pretty stupid not to know how to work a flag pole.

I believe it could possiblt be true in this case.

"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last."  - Sir Winston Churchill

If he is so stupid he can't

If he is so stupid he can't work a flag pole, what is he doing in charge of a school???? Cut off their public funding. This is nothing more than a muslim indoctrination center.

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

Why does the Minnesota

Why does the Minnesota Department of Education allow this sort of religious activity at a public school?

That's a damn good question, and one that I think should be pursued relentlessly, until an answer if provided.

As for their contention that inspections take place on a "complaint" basis and there have been no complaints since 2004, maybe that's because the Muslims who send their kids there are quite satisfied, and most other people are not aware of what's going on there!!

delete double post  

delete double post

 

That cemetary workers

That cemetary workers feeling the pinch story is my all time favorite! lol.  I use it constantly as an example to explain media bias to others.

That cemetary workers

That cemetary workers feeling the pinch story is my all time favorite! lol.  I use it constantly as an example to explain media bias to others.

Elton John

First off I am tired of people that don't live in this country talking trash about us. Elton John called everyone that does not support the Hildabeast a misogynist-a woman hater. What a hypocrite. He loves men. He married one. So he must hate women.

 

If you ain't the lead dog, the scenery never changes.-Lewis Grizzard

Conversely, would detesting

Conversely, would detesting Elton John make you a misogynist, too?

→ Excuse me Matthew

Rather than "worst examples of media bias in 2007", don't you mean "the most blatant examples of media bias"?

In other words, "excellent examples of media bias"?

OK, I knew what you meant.  Never mind.

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Hot Air: Most of Dan Rather's Lawsuit Tossed Out

Supposedly the only remaining issue that the Judge said was a legit beef was how C-BS "used" Dan's talents in the last few months leading up to his "retirement".

Mary Mapes could not be reached for comment. Neither could Media Matters.

Living in PA, we are being

Living in PA, we are being deluged with Barack Obama ads (HRC, not so much).

I just heard one that said, among other things, that Obama led the way on alternative energy....

Does anyone have any idea what he did to actually LEAD???? 

That would be propeller head hats and pinnwheels

Carbon Credits Smoke'em if you got'em!

 Obama an empty promise of nothing.

About 80% of the

About 80% of the commericals I am seeing/hearing on local tv/radio are Obama ads. I even heard a Ron Paul ad this morning, which made me chuckle.

I only heard 1 McCain ad (this week, actually) - not as if he needs to run ads or anything.

The "we need more white people" fiasco that the Not-Ready-For-Prime-Time-Player's people committed at Carnegie-Mellon is actually sticking. Local radio and newspaper was covering it. I do not watch local news, so I cannot say about them.

Obama is in trouble, regardless of what poll comes out telling otherwise. Other than NC, I do not think The Hopeful Changer will win another state. I could be wrong, however.

Run, Hillary, run!

 

 

I only heard 1 McCain ad


I only heard 1 McCain ad (this week, actually) - not as if he needs to run ads or anything.

He might....he's apparently not a shoo-in yet!

I wish I could remember right now where I heard it...yesterday some twit remarked that either Obama or Clinton would face the "presumptive" Republican nominee, John McCain. LOL

Not Media Bias, But Nonetheless Funny (as in ODD)

During the fundraiser for Hillary, Elton John said, "I never cease to be amazed at the misogynist (dislike of women) attitude of some of the people in this country". So an openly gay man who prefers men accuses Americans who won't vote for Hillary of not liking women. That is ODD.

They got into it about this

They got into it about this on F&F. Video here:

http://www.redlasso....

Speaking of dishonor

While reading the news this morning, I came across this gem.  I dont know if any of you have seen this, but it is worth a look.  Another Obama "reverend" shoots his mouth off here in L.A.  If this doesn't anger the hell out of you, I dont know what will.

 http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/reverend-eric-lees-anti-semitism-a-personal-story-video/

"If a man does his best, what else is there"?

General George S. Patton Jr.

Begrunt.... Wow! That gal

Begrunt....

Wow! That gal put it all succinctly now didn't she? 

Wished I could say I was mad...but so much has happened now with all the racism from the blacks coming out, the black hatepreach, (she mentioned Meeks in Chicago too) she said it best about doing this on MLK day and MLK would not stand for this...the black gal telling her this is how they really feel, this isn't just happening here, it's everywhere, and it seems to be true...she saying Obama can put a stop to this...well my question is why would she thinks he would want to, he refused to disavow Wright, the msm goes along with all of this, they do not show any of these guys who have come out recently or been found out about recently on television, we all know they would if this was a candidate of any color that hd an R after their name...to blame the Jews like she said is them looking for someone to blame for their racist theology....like she said it is racism at it's highest.

I'm infuriated, but I'm more infuriated with the msm and the leftists supporting this rampant racist BS...including McCain...who just doesn't want to got there.

Black Nationalism worldwide is their goal, plain and simple as that...and we have a bunch of chickens who are afraid to confront this major issue all for votes.

Pathetic and despicable.

Btw..thanks for the link, it is another one that goes in my save file.

...here is another link about Wright being Muslim. 

 "Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill

When are we going to say enough?

bt,

I find it facinating that I have not heard of this anywhere, until I read it this morning.  The MSM must be working over time to keep the lid on this one.  I really feel that the average american is about at saturation point with this racial BS.  There is going to be a backlash, and its a backlash that BO could have headed off had he the b*lls to do so.  It goes directly to character and judgement, and he has niether.  He is a race pimp just like his "mentor" Wright, keeping people ignorant and angry for their own personal gain  At least this is bringing their blatant racism into the light of day for all to see.......and it is disgusting. 

"If a man does his best, what else is there"?

General George S. Patton Jr.

Begrunt...disgusting

Begrunt...disgusting indeed...

Plus I know in my post I said I wasn't mad, which what I meant was I'm not mad regarding this BS coming out...I'm mad, infuriated the msm is covering it up and allowing and facilitating this blatant racism...all for their new messiah.

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill

Spot on bt!!

Spot on bt!!! 

"If a man does his best, what else is there"?

General George S. Patton Jr.

Holy Cow! If that's true,

Holy Cow! If that's true, (and what reason would this lady have to make up something like this?) it's right out of the Farrakhan handbook!

And these are Obama's friends? I had a nun in grammar school who used to say "Show me your friends, and I'll tell you what you are." And this guy says Obama is the key...the door is now opened for them to tell "the truth."

Yikes!

God Particle

CERN scientist thinks they will soon discover the God Particle (ht WND), aka Higgs bason.

[ CERN will be using a vast particle collider. Sound familiar, like SuperCollider. IMHO, I think terminating the SuperCollider project was a HUGE mistake and a step backward for US science. ]

If conservatives are RIGHT, then liberals must be WRONG.

→ LionKing

You wouldn't be a Texan, would you?

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→ Cool Arrow

As a matter of fact, I do live in Texas now...24 years. Originally from Chicago to Davidson, NC to Texas.

Why does being from Texas matter? ... Just because it was going to be in Texas?

If conservatives are RIGHT, then liberals must be WRONG.

→ Nothing LionKing

I'm a Texan too.  The SSC was one of those political footballs that fell prey to Clinton's spoils system.

The DFW Metroplex took a pretty big economic hit.

I was just wondering if you might have been one of the thousands of people hurt by the shutdown.

♣ a seal

→ Cool Arrow ... nope

I was not personally impacted. I just thought it would have been a good thing for the scientific community.

If conservatives are RIGHT, then liberals must be WRONG.

Er, Higgs BOsonminor

Er, Higgs BOson

minor correction

Nonetheless, an amazing story.  You're right that we blew it on this one.

Let's talk about Carter's up

Let's talk about Carter's up and coming visit with leaders of Hamas. I mean really...a State Dept designated "foreign terrorist organization". It is outrageous! Just what does he think he is going to accomplish?

What he thinks he is going

What he thinks he is going to accomplish is another 15 minutes of fame.....

The leftist media is going

The leftist media is going to fawn all over this, and turn it into an opportunity to bash Bush and promote Obama. They won't say one word about how bad this organization it. In fact, one or two journalists will be invited along, and be shown all the wonderful "social" accomplishments of this mis-understood, benevolent group. The film will be shown for weeks.

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If you can read this, thank a teacher. If it is in English, thank a Soldier. - My barber

msh... Another Nobel

msh...

Another Nobel Peace Prize..or whatever prize he can get. 

He is insane...in my opinion.

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill

Randi Rhodes strikes again!

Randi Rhodes strikes again! Good Ol' SF...

On another note... I wished this guy would of run for Prez...but I have said that here many times before ages ago...oh well...the leftist Senate refused to confirm one of the best...he speaks the truth, they can't handle the truth. 

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill

You know, it's stupid

You know, it's stupid gestures like Obama refusing to wear a flag lapel pin, and no votes on minor, token bills like this that makes me shake my head. It's that inability to read the average American's heart and mind that tells me certain candidates are poorly-equipped mentally for the Office.

 

Help I'm not liberal enough!!

I hardly ever post on DU. Today was only the third thread I participated in since I joined over 8 months ago.

I try to be civil just like I do on this site. I was questioning the fairness doctrine, said I was on the fence on abortion and thought it was ridiculous to force candy away from schools.

I was taken aback by how many people called me a libertarian loser and how many 4 letter words I was called. Anyway I got banned!

You guys were right all along about hard core liberals. I would post the link that lead to my banning, but I think that might be against the rules on NB, so I don't want to get banned twice in one day:-)

Thank you Matt and Noel for allowing debate, even though you might not agree with my opinion, you always are willing to listen to my POV. I did not know how good I had it here lol

Why, it's almost as if...

There's rampant antilibertarian bias out there no-matter where ya look! Nah!!! ;)

Actually, I'm simply in an insufferably good mood tonight. (Mucho OPM from a few hours of good poker tends to do that to me!)
JMR

The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.

You were banned for having

You were banned for having an opinion?!?!@ Or engaging in a debate against almost everyone else? Wow.

But I guess that's what happens when you challange the extreme fringes of a religion. And I firmly believe that's what we brew in certain sections of this country -- people who's only objective is to get their way thru intimidiation, mis-information, coercion, subversion, and ultimately -- force.

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If you can read this, thank a teacher. If it is in English, thank a Soldier. - My barber

But notice the flavor of opinion they banned him for expressing.

Around here, the simpleminded slur against me is "liberal" even though the truth is "classical liberal," AKA libertarian. Newspeak has taken a once-proud word over, to the detriment of the English language IMO. But now there's another word...

Around there, the word "libertarian" is on its way to becoming a similar simpleminded slur against the thoughtful left, as we see from Shawn's words. This whole incident, even though it happened "over there," speaks volumes about what I've been saying for years about the antilibertarian nature of media bias "around here."
JMR

The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.

It didn't look like the

It didn't look like the banning was a result of "being someone" -- instead, it was because Shawn had an opposing opinion and he wasn't going to cave in on it after being attacked.

Holding onto an oposing position, when dealing with extremists, can lead to banishment (in the case of DU), or death/imprisonment (in the case of political/religious/gang groups).

The looney left has always been afraid of facts and logic. I wouldn't always call Shawn's arguments full of facts or logic, but when presented against DU, apparently his presentation was very threatening to them. Way-to-go, Shawn!

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If you can read this, thank a teacher. If it is in English, thank a Soldier. - My barber

But take a look at his words (and remember, this is SHAWN...)

"I was taken aback by how many people called me a libertarian loser"

He may not be a libertarian like me, but these people know very well what ideas are dangerous to hyperspenders just as well as the Republican hyperspenders around here know. Shawn's own words make it clear to me that this is all about the bipartisan fight against anyone expressing any sort of even-vaguely libertarian ideas, which is why I said it speaks volumes. Plus I'm still in a good mood from the green paper I won last night. :)
JMR

The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.

Ok, Ok -- but see here now,

Ok, Ok -- but see here now, it looks like we have each dangerously expressed our opinion, and since they are different opinions I suggest we stop the discussion -- before Noel and Matt find out and begin the banishment process :-)

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My banning at DU

Like I said earlier I am not sure If I am allowed to link my posting there so I will post some of what I said and some of their comments back to me.


Me

'but some other things irk me about the democratic party. I do not see
how the "fairness doctrin" is a good thing. It stifles free speech.
Either you have a good product or not. If you don't get the ratings,
you should not be on the air.

Also I hate how the Liberals have
to force their opinion on everybody. If people want to smoke and take
chances with their health, let them. Or how about forcing schools to
take out candy and other sweets."

" I am on the fence on abortion"


Them

"Liberals have long been the pro-corporate, moderate weing of the
democratic party with the populists on the left, but as the country has
moved further and further right, liberals have become perceived as
being "to the left"."

"But there are those of us who still hold to
principles that place us to the LEFT of the liberals, with a very
different set of priorities."

'The difference is as stark as the difference between the neocons, paleocons, and libertarian cons like yourself"

'Honestly, I can't imagine why you even came here, naming these
unbelievably trivial issues, when we have a collapsing economy and a
decimated middle class and an endless money hole of a bloodbath war. I
can only guess you're some 12 year old who's listened to too much talk
radio or nonsense from your dad and want to antagonize the liberals.
Have you ever raised a child? Balanced a budget? Had to decide between
treating an injury/illness and eating? Done anything to contribute to
your community? You sound like a little snotnose who wouldn't know his
ass from a hole in the ground. "

'So you are "on the fence when it comes to abortion"
I see in your profile you are a male.
It doesn't f*cking concern you. Worry about your own f*cking body."

"In the case of abortion, there is nothing to discuss. SCOTUS has ruled on the matter.
Women have the right to terminate their pregnancies, end of story. As
for DC & S (there is no such thing as "partial birth abortion"),
that procedure was so rare that you could count a year's worth on one
hand. What a purely symbolic law "

My point is that that things that seem to concern you most are so petty and trivial in light of what is happening right now.

And
you can stick that "BDS" shit where the sun don't shine. Read my
Profile and Sig - I don't excuse dems who voted for POS Bush's war -
they deserve prison time almost as much as he does.

"And ther are
TONS of other posters here who have gone after dems for voting for the
IWR. My patience with your ignorant bullshit is running thin. "

"have been scrapped in the name of National Security.

You no
longer can speak out against the government, you have watched Habeas
Corpus get thrown out the window, you have seen warrant-less searches
become the norm, there are "secret courts", religious entities are now
being given taxpayer dollars, the Executive Branch is not being
challenged, and the few times it does get a challenge, they sandbag and
claim "National Security".

National ID cards are on the way,
warrant-less wiretapping is already here. Your visits to the internet
are being screened for "offensive" material, you are now considered
guilty before going to trial. In many cases, you are not permitted to
face the person that is charging you with a "crime".

What else
do you need to see to understand that it is not just Freedom of Speech
at risk here, the whole concept of a Constitutional Government is being
washed away before our eyes. The bush administration is so shallow on
substance, the only way they can survive is to obfuscate all of their
missteps and misdeeds, and then blame US for wanting to know what's
going on.

There was a time when people of this nation could
peacefully assemble and demand redress from their govenrment...try that
now. They have sunk so low, they put "plants" into the ranks of those
that are complaining, just to start trouble so the police can go in and
bash heads.

We are living in a sad state of affairs, and it is
not all of bush's making...we have failed to hold him to account, and
he has taken a democratic republic and turned it into an oligarchy
because the good people of this nation were taken in by a lying,
sniveling coward. '

Well at least i'm plenty liberal enough for you guys :-)

I wonder if I'd even last a day?

I kinda doubt it! :)