NewsBusters Interview: Karl Rove Slams Lefty Blogosphere, Talks Media, Praises iPhone

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By Matthew Sheffield | March 21, 2008 - 10:44 ET

Are liberal Democrats less likely to have social lives than conservatives?

According to Karl Rove, the answer to that question is yes. The Republican guru all but made that argument explaining why he thought liberals are more likely to be on the web than conservatives.

"I hate to sound sort of diffident about it but it strikes me that a lot of people on the right have got active lives and are doing other things," Rove said. "The idea of spending a lot of time on the internet and taking their talents and displaying them there is not something [conservatives] really do."

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Still, Rove said that he would like to see more righties on YouTube and elsewhere, counteracting what he said was a greater emphasis on public relations on the part of Democrats.

The former White House deputy chief of staff also talked blogs, telling NewsBusters his favorites include Wall Street Journal columnist James Taranto, National Review's Corner, mixed with a dash of "objective" media like the New York Times and the Washington Post along with blogs such as Instapundit and Power Line.

We also talked a bit of personal tech as Rove waxed rhapsodic about his new Apple iPhone. Looks like Rush Limbaugh is going to have to make room for another famous conservative who likes Apple products.

Full transcript of my interview with Karl Rove is below. Read it or download it in MP3 format for your music player:


NB: Thanks for joining us today. I'll start off with a media and political question. I've noticed that we see a lot of wealthy conservatives who do not tend to invest in media whereas wealthy liberals tend to be more likely to do so. Why do you suppose that is?

ROVE: I think wealthy conservatives are busy investing in profit and job creation and enterprise and wealthy liberals, many of them either from the media industry themselves or from-they recognize the value of communications and are more ready to put money into a less profitable enterprise, namely the media.

NB: Is that something you'd like to see changed then?

ROVE: Oh sure. But the problem we face as conservatives is that our lives are not completely absorbed in politics. We tend to have other enterprises and charitable efforts, particularly philanthropic, that we love to be involved in and be committed to and as a result, it leaves us less time and less treasure to pump into politics. That's why, contrary to popular opinion, we tend to get outraised and outspent in elections as we were in both 2000 and in 2004 now.

Now, granted, a lot of the advantage is compulsory contributions from union members but nonetheless, it's a sign of how the other side takes advantage of its strengths.

NB: It wasn't always that way, though, was it? I mean you guys did a pretty good job of outraising the opponents of President Bush.

ROVE: Not really. Take a look 2004. If you, Kerry-I mean Bush-Cheney raised a lot of money, but not a heck of a lot more than Kerry-Edwards. The RNC by a pretty good margin outraised the Democratic National Committee but if you then add in the Democratic and Republican 527 groups, the advantage swings dramatically to the Democrats. And in 2004, they outraised us and outspent us by $121 million. And that's taking into account, which you really can, what the unions do which, unless they tell us, is hidden from public view.

NB: Let's get some more media questions. So what's your media diet like nowadays?

ROVE: You mean on an ordinary day?

NB: Yeah.

ROVE: I get Mike Allen's overnight summary from Politico, I cruise RealClearPolitics.com, I get Taranto from the Wall Street Journal, I visit the Corner. I check Drudge, I check Fox News, I have a list of favorites that I sort of thumb through if I've got the time. I obviously read papers, the New York Times; the Wall Street Journal; when in Washington, the Washington Post if not, I get it online. I check out, most days, Instapundit, Power Line, Hugh Hewitt. Occasionally I'll dip into Just One Minute or visit the Captain's Quarters, I check out Michael Barone's blog, and I look forward to getting Opinion Journal, and I get the NCPA summary. And I also get a news summary, a news clip early in the morning of all the clips.

NB: So you do read the physical paper? That's interesting. Now what about-

ROVE: Is that so rare any more? I've never figured it out.

NB: Well, I guess it could be, I am just a blogger and highly abnormal that way. That's highly possible.

Speaking of blogs, though, there has been a lot of talk this cycle about the left is somehow fundamentally ahead and I think people are forgetting how things were just a few years ago when it was right that was the online leader. It's not a fundamental issue. What's your take on that?

ROVE: I'm not sure I understand the question. Do I think the left has gotten an edge? Yeah, I do.

NB: You do?

ROVE: I do.

NB: And what would you attribute that to?

ROVE: I don't think they've gotten an edge in terms of the quality and the content. We still have that. I think where they've gotten the edge is that they've focused on creating a community of contributors. And as a result, they have outraised us on the internet.

Now, that's not to say that they have an overall edge. I still think the right has much better quality and quantity. And I think there's something about conservatives frankly-and the left, when it comes to their channels of persuasion, are unpersuasive. They are, most of them are hate-filled, obscenity-clogged rants of anger and hatred. And it may be good for reinforcing those who are already true and tried, but it's not good for reaching out to people who are up for grabs who might be going to the internet to find a source of information.

NB: Yeah. There's been studies of the use of profanity on right-wing versus left-wing blogs.

ROVE: Yeah, and in fact, I talked about it in a speech at Yahoo, the two studies for George Carlin's "Seven Words" and how much more prevalent they are by huge margins on left blogs.

NB: Is that partly because blogs are kind of the mainstream media of the right? Or is just that we're more civilized people?

ROVE: You know, I don't know. But I think it's that maybe the left believes that this is appropriate language for communication, I don't know.

NB: If you could magically wave a wand and somehow get the right up to speed on the internet, what would you say are the two biggest areas you would fix?

ROVE: One is the, and I don't know how to do it, I know smart people are thinking about this, but is to create a greater willingness among conservatives to pump resources into issue or candidate activities that are critical at the moment. The second thing is that I would hope that-look we've got a lot of creative people on the right and I hope that we would use, and that those people would become more conversant, comfortable, and eager to provide visual content for the internet. A lot of people get their information by what they see and what they hear, and the internet gives us a terrific way to go about using this channel for things that people can see and hear, and not just read.

NB: That's funny you mention that. We just launched a comedy show called NewsBusted which has really become quite popular on YouTube. Our friends at Hot Air have done some great stuff as well. So I definitely would agree that there's a market as the numbers have shown. So why isn't there more of this? Is the right just not interested in that type of stuff?

ROVE: You know, again, I hate to sound sort of diffident about it but it strikes me that a lot of people on the right have got active lives and are doing other things and the idea of spending a lot of time on the internet and taking their talents and displaying them there is not something they really do. But I'd like to see more of it, very creative conservatives using the internet for those purposes.

NB: All right, I've got just one more quick question for you. Last time I saw you, you'd just gotten an iPhone. How's that working out for you?

ROVE: I love it. My life has changed. I have a shred of coolness. I've got my 3,500 people in my addressbook on the phone, I can sync my calendar. I keep track of my modest little stock investments. I can check the weather of my house in Washington, my house in Florida, my boy at school, my hunt-lease in south Texas. I can surf the web, I'm just--I get part of my email there.

I mean it is just shocking how much better, how much more productive I am. I no longer carry around a giant address book, if I don't have my calendar close at hand, I can quickly check it out of my-- I don't have to carry, I used to carry several notecards, now it's just as easy to scribble on my little notepad, I can take photographs and forward them on immediately, it's just remarkable.

NB: All right. Well it sounds like Steve Jobs should call you up as a spokesman.

ROVE: There we go, there we go. And not only that, I also have the Mac Book Air which is really cool. Even my wife is jealous of my MacBook Air.

NB: Ahh, well it sounds like you'll have to get her one then.

ROVE: No I don't, no I don't. I'm the only cool one in the family with a MacBook Air.

NB: Well all right. Thank you for joining us.

—Matthew Sheffield is Editor of NewsBusters.

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That Macbook Air

Is awesome, and if you love technology you simply MUST go fondle one for yourself. If it were a BIT faster I'd have bought one instead of this thing (MacBook Pro 2.6 core 2 duo) but I'm willing to pay a lot of money not to ever close applications. But the Air is definitely tempting, even if I'd have put more chip & battery into it rather than making it so impossibly thin.

When I finally got to touch one, I was all mentally prepared to hate the Air's keyboard. How could it be well-done? I was pleasantly shocked instead. It's the nicest laptop keyboard I've ever felt. My request for "that keyboard but this computer" is quite common, from what I'm told.
JMR

A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.

The Iphone is the bomb,

The Iphone is the bomb, Aplle did it right.  But the rest of its stuff is hampered by proprietary junk and is not compatable with PC/intel programs.  This makes everything much more expensive than it needs to be.  I remember well the various computers starting in 1980 and on and how they all developed from proprietary and wired components to the mix and match that is todays PC, not to mention the software selction.  This makes the PC superior over any Mac.

I still have an early PC and it is funny to see the 8" 1 MB HD and 5.25" floppies.  I also have some 8" floppies and a tape drive.  Times sure have changed.

I liked the interview with Rove and watch him on FNC when he is on.  He looks sorta Ross Perotish though with his whiteboard.

Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.

8" floppies?

8" floppies?

Remember the "write-enable" tabs on those things?

 

Pledge to not support RINOs ever again!

Depends on what you're doing

For gaming I'd agree, but users like me don't care about small-motor-skills games where teenagers can always kick our butts. Every time I think about running Windows on this thing to have something esoteric like "Kismet," along comes KisMAC!! :) Aside from games, I can't think of any software I want that I can't have -- usually for free & in multiple flavors. Bill Gates is fortunate that Apple is so-good at shooting themselves in the corporate foot. :)

If/when Linux eventually become idiot-friendly enough that I'm willing to switch over, I'll do it without remorse, but IMO that's still a few years away. Apple's notebooks are great, tough pieces of tech hardware, so even in that hypothetical future instance I'm likely to be tempted to use one simply because they're beautiful & worth the money.
JMR

A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.

I use Mac, Windows, and Linux

Linux still requires some geekery to use day-to-day but once you get it down, it's imo the most powerful and flexible environment to work in.

I use a Macbook laptop because I like their keyboards. I keep Windows around purely for the applications. I actually run Linux inside of Windows usually because I have to switch around so frequently.

I think I will see if I can borrow Rove's shred of coolness now...

See if you like

That new keyboard on the Air as much as I do. I think it feels remarkably nice, and IMO it would even on a normal thickness laptop. If I had a kid, I'd try like hell to get him/her to use Linux FIRST if possible. I know it's the future.

I'm ancient enough that I kinda miss the old, heavy-duty IBM-style keyboards (which could easily double as a club, if you need a weapon!). The ONLY thing I'd change about the Air's keys is that I'd make the left half of the space bar a backspace key, and Apple is NOT going to do that for a one-person "market" like me because nobody else cares.

These days, I'm used to a laptop-only existence, but I still have my mid-'90s "NMB The Right Touch" keyboard, which had the split spacebar backspace feature. I loved it, except when I had to switch to other machines with a normal spacebar. Unfortunately, as with many things I enjoy, the rest of America didn't love the split spacebar feature, so it never caught on. Two backspace keys (with one of them located a lot more-conveniently than normal backspace) tend to improve the quality of most peoples' writing, and that definitely included mine. I spent a couple of years learning & then unlearning "my left thumb is backspace," and it sure was cool while it lasted...
JMR

A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.

Hm

I'm actually surprised that Rove never had a windows mobile device. My HTC Kaiser, on WM6.1, can run circles around the Iphone, do everything it can and more, gets 3g connection, and can actually run multiple apps (something Jobs just announced the Iphone will never do). The Iphone is more like an upgraded Razr, in that it's a fashion phone with a few bells and whistles.

 

Just found it surprising.

The thing that makes teh

The thing that makes teh Iphone so good is the interface and touch screen keyed to the warmth of a body.  It is also very intuitive.  I have had Windows mobile devicees and they suck asn I am no fan of Apple.  One of the other attractions is a 20 dollar flat fee verses the 50 I paid for my 3G Windows phone.

Basically the thing is a phone not a computer and it performs well doing so.  I will admit that in the store at first I did not like it, but after a few minutes I began to see the possibilities.  And I did not have to read a big manual to learn how to work it.

I would like it to view other file types other than Apple or Adobe format but nothing is perfect.  After using one for 9 months I would buy another one.

Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.

Apple products are overpriced and overrated

Apple makes trendy products that are way over priced and way overhyped. iPod? Joke. iPhone? waste of money.

You can get a better performing PC for half the price of a Mac and you need a laptop to do any real work while mobile, something a phone will never be able to replace.

The Anti 'Man-Made' Global Warming Resource

From Garage To Garbage

"Apple makes trendy products that are way over priced and way overhyped." 

Been that way since the introduction of tha Mac, and the "I know what you want and need better than you do" mentality set in at Apple.

V/R
Clyde 

"...the aspirants to tyranny are either the...men of the state, who in democracies are demagogues,... or those who hold great offices, and have a long tenure.." - Aristotle, Politics, c350BC

Apple Monopolies

I find it hilarious that I can get just about any cell phone company to give me a wireless card for internet service with my laptop while with the iPhone only works with AT&T? I will not support a product that does not let me shop around for internet service.

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Maybe it's the Texas

Maybe it's the Texas connection, but I like Karl Rove a lot. I'm so glad he's on Fox News for the election. I just wish more of the show hosts would let him finish a sentence.

The vernacular of our times

Always figured you had an English accent from that picture youve got up Sheffield. Boy was I wrong.

Hah

A lot of my ancestors do come from England. There's even a city there called Sheffield. (No relation I imagine.)

matthew -- but you will be

matthew -- but you will be pleased to hear that Sheffield, England is a tough old steel town. The first in the Industrial Revolution.

The ice-hockey team is the Sheffield Steelers.

Vote 4 change. Vote 4 anything. See Jack & Mr Shy's first campaign ad for the ONLY viable 3rd party candidate.

Well that is interesting

I didn't even know they played hockey in the UK.

Pucks in Sheffield

They do indeed. Just not to the same level as the US, Canada and Russia!


Joe Cocker
is from Sheffield originally -- just remembered that little factoid with a little help from my friends.

Vote 4 change. Vote 4 anything. See Jack & Mr Shy's first campaign ad for the ONLY viable 3rd party candidate.

Jack

How's Arsenel, Chelsea, Liverpool and Man United doing this year? (is the season over?)

 

* * * SOCKS THE CAT '08 * * *
For REAL Change

 

I'll message ya! Don't want

I'll message ya! Don't want to bore the gridiron fans! As in all my American buddies.

Vote 4 change. Vote 4 anything. See Jack & Mr Shy's first campaign ad for the ONLY viable 3rd party candidate.

3rd ... Oddy enough, I have

3rd ... Oddy enough, I have an English accent but look American!

Vote 4 change. Vote 4 anything. See Jack & Mr Shy's first campaign ad for the ONLY viable 3rd party candidate.

My impression of you is

My impression of you is Kiefer Sutherland saving the world between posting comments. :)

Matt

Matt,

You need to listen to this again, and hear how excited his voice got when you asked him about his iPhone. What a great way to end this interview. Suddenly, he became a little boy enthralled with his new toy. Very genuine and very real. How refreshing. ns

Which is why it's so hard to

Which is why it's so hard to get conservatives marching in the streets - we're all to busy working to pay for the result of liberal protests of the past...

What a putz... 

What a putz...