Bill Cunningham, the Ohio talk radio host whose remarks about Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama were deemed too "caustic" by the nation's media and John McCain is speaking out against the Arizona senator now.
"John McCain threw me under a bus -- under the Straight Talk Express," he told CNN in an interview, referring to McCain's pretentiously named campaign bus.
Cunningham also said that he regretted the fact that McCain was on track to become the Republican nominee.
"I've had it up to here with John McCain. I'm joining Ann Coulter in supporting Hillary Rodham Clinton" over McCain since the latter "ought to attack Democrats and quit attacking conservatives like me."
Cunningham also defended his decision to repeatedly reference Obama's middle name Hussein:
"I have nothing but respect for my Muslim brothers and sisters," he said. "The ones who oppose that particular name, they're the ones with the problem, not me. His name is Barack Hussein Obama."





















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Time to pull the rug out...
February 27, 2008 - 13:53 ET by vrwc13...we need to rally the party in Texas!
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Remember the Alamo! Huckabee/Hunter '08
i'm afraid john is our boy
February 27, 2008 - 14:52 ET by TruthMongeri'm afraid john is our boy now, no refunds or exchange
yee-fricken-ha
Haven't seen the Fat Lady
February 27, 2008 - 14:53 ET by vrwc13Haven't seen the Fat Lady singing yet, have you?
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Huckabee/Hunter '08 - the "Miracle Men"
everywhere i
February 27, 2008 - 15:08 ET by TruthMongereverywhere i go
mc's popularity is one of my top five mysteries of life now
mc's popularity is one of my top five mysteries of life now
February 27, 2008 - 15:13 ET by vrwc13...his popularity is either:
- the dems see him as one of their own
or
- the dems see him as easy pickins, i.e. they have got "stuff" on him...
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"We just can't trust the American people to make those types of choices.... Government has to make those choices for people" -HRC
TM... He's not my boy.
February 27, 2008 - 14:57 ET by bigtimerTM...
He's not my boy.
well mine neither i
February 27, 2008 - 15:07 ET by TruthMongerwell mine neither
i suggest a Romney/Thompson write-in
pardon my cynicism but good luck with that
Free speech?
February 27, 2008 - 14:04 ET by iveseenitallWouldn't it have been refreshing if the "Conservative" John McCain had defended free speech, instead of attempting to stffle it? Does anyone get it? McCain , a presidential candidate, is telling Americans what they can and cannot say! The nation, as we have known it, is in deep soup, folks.
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people pecefully to assemble, and to petition the Government for redress of grievances.
When was this repealed???
NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"
iveseenitall
February 27, 2008 - 14:28 ET by candanceBut...but...you don't understand....McCain can win, he really can, and that's all that matters! We can do without free speech! We can all learn Spanish! We can watch conservatives snuffed out of public discourse! It's better than having a Democrat in the White House!!!!!!!
Between McCain and Free Speech
February 27, 2008 - 23:04 ET by dios PrometheusI concur.
If the choice is between McCain achieving his egotistical dream of becoming President and my free speech, I will throw McCain under the bus and take my free speech.
For McCain is but a few moments in history, but a people's right to free speech should be forever.
Ditto that for me.
February 27, 2008 - 23:11 ET by bigtimerDitto that for me.
»→ That's what he gets
February 27, 2008 - 13:56 ET by Cool ArrowHow dare he call Barack Hussein Obama by his real name.
Doesn't he know the preferred title is "Messiah"?
♣ a seal
its his name!!!!!
February 27, 2008 - 13:58 ET by seaniepI keep having this "discussion" with obama supporters who get upset and call it childish when someone mentions that his middle name is hussien . . .
IT IS HIS NAME!!!!!!!!!
What's John McCain's middle
February 27, 2008 - 23:57 ET by cleverpigWhat's John McCain's middle name?
Be honest now, how many of you had to look that up?
That's why it is childish to use his middle name. He doesn't refer to himself using his middle name, so there's no reason the rest of us need to either. We all know which Barack Obama you are referring to!
Don't you want to know...
February 28, 2008 - 00:01 ET by MightyMouthwhy his parent(s) named him Hussein? Why not Mohamad?
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
I just posted on this about
February 27, 2008 - 13:58 ET by DCC1I just posted on this about 5 mins ago on the open thread, but I will repost because I think it is relevant.
http://ap.google.com...
"McCain wasn't on stage or, he says, in the building when Cunningham
made the comments, but he quickly distanced himself from the radio talk
show host after finishing his speech. McCain spoke to a couple hundred
people at Memorial Hall in downtown Cincinnati.
"I apologize for
it," McCain told reporters, addressing the issue before they had a
chance to ask the Arizona senator about Cunningham's comments."
How can he be this weak? Does Hillary or Hussein say they are sorry
when someone slams McCain? NO they say they have nothing to do with it,
and that person can say what they want.
Why is Hussein off limits anyway? It IS his middle name!
Let me get this straight, things off limits to talk about Obama:
His Name
His background growing up
Drug use
His political votes while a state politician
Possible Ties to Al Qaeda donors
Corruption ties to donors
His Patriotism
His stance on radical Islam
ect...
McCain WAKE UP! We Americans have things called rights, and free
speach, you don't have to apologize for things others said! Besides
that, maybe you should ask some of these questions yourself!
Things we can talk about:
Change
Hope
Terrorists want change too
Didn't McCain also say he
February 27, 2008 - 14:27 ET by motherbeltDidn't McCain also say he "took responsibility" for it? So what was HIS punishment, if he was responsible???
Jeez, Janet Reno "took responsibility" for Waco and Elian Gonzales; what consequences did she suffer?
He's been hanging around liberals too long....they think saying that one "takes responsibility" for something, with no consequences, actually means something.
What's next?
February 27, 2008 - 14:30 ET by ChrisMillsYup. And soon we won't be able to talk about the following:
Obama's proposals to bankrupt our country
His liberal voting record
His lack of preparation
Why we shouldn't vote for him
That we won't vote for him
That he isn't the messiah
That he isn't the Almighty
That he didn't create the world in seven days...
ears
February 28, 2008 - 14:17 ET by seldumondeYou forgot one thing, his ears. Remember when he made that comment to Maureen Dowd a while back.
This guy thinks he's the messiah and beyond reproach, and the media is willing to go along. And the Republicans are too cowardly to attack as they might be smeared as "racist". Truly terrifying.
Like I posted yesterday if
February 27, 2008 - 14:01 ET by bigtimerLike I posted yesterday if you get the chance to listen to the interview on CNN with John Roberts...listen to this with Cunningham...by then I was so angry as I followed this since it started breaking yesterday...I could not see straight.
McCain didn't just throw Cunningham under the bus....he threw a lot of us who were even thinking of holding our noses and voting for the RINO if he named a conservative as a VP...well not me...won't be happening....no way... no how.
Do not blame us if he loses...blame the candidate..such as he is...who has been forced down our throats as it is in the first place.
If that makes me an angry right wing conservative...well that is just what I am...and proud of it.
BT, When did you become
February 27, 2008 - 14:04 ET by LeonBT,
When did you become so demanding of a conservative president?
You've been supporting (aka apologizing) for a non-conservative, big spending, big government, president vehemently for the past 8 years.
Why the sudden change in ideology?
Listen Little One... I am
February 27, 2008 - 14:08 ET by bigtimerListen Little One...
I am no mood for your trollin' with me today...
You obviously haven't read everything I have posted for as long as I have been on here with criticism of Pres. Bush when I felt there was some deserved..or you are intentionally trying to piss me off...which is your normal thing to do....
Lay off of me and go bug somebody else.
BT, Criticism of
February 27, 2008 - 14:11 ET by LeonBT,
Criticism of Bush?
Ha.
Riiiiiight. There was no criticism of Bush around here until it became impossible to deny his lack of conservatism.
It makes me to chuckle to watch all of you Bush apologists now clamoring for a conservative president. Whining b/c McCain isn't conservative enough. It's a shame you weren't demanding this level of conservatism in 2004. You might not be stuck with McCain now if you had.
PS you don't have to reply to me. Don't bug you? Am I interfering with your daily 12 hours of television viewing? If so, I apologize! haha.
Get lost hater.
February 27, 2008 - 14:17 ET by bigtimerGet lost hater.
BT, It's all true.
February 27, 2008 - 14:20 ET by LeonBT,
It's all true. You've been supporting a non-conservative for 8 years.
Now you want a conservative?
Well, isn't that special.
hater...Worry about your own
February 27, 2008 - 14:21 ET by bigtimerhater...Worry about your own side of the aisle.
BT, I have nothing to
February 27, 2008 - 14:24 ET by LeonBT,
I have nothing to worry about.
I dislike Hillary. She has no chance to get the nomination.
I like Obama. He will get the nomination and then win the general election.
It's all sunny days ahead for me. My side's all wrapped up.
Go out and get you some sun
February 27, 2008 - 14:26 ET by bigtimerGo out and get you some sun hater...
...don't forget your shovel and pail for the sandbox.
Ha BT, You might want to
February 27, 2008 - 14:28 ET by LeonHa BT,
You might want to heed your own advice.
All that tv you watch is rotting your brain.
Inciting rampant delusions of grandeur
My side's all wrapped up.
February 27, 2008 - 14:27 ET by vrwc13...you referring to his recent picture? The one of B HUSSEIN Obama?
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Men stumble over the truth from time to time, but most pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing happened. -Winston Churchill.
V, Good one I
February 27, 2008 - 14:37 ET by LeonV,
Good one I guess.
But all that picture makes me think of is all those weird outfits Bush puts on everytime he goes to Africa. Seems to be the standard operating procedure over there.
You come to visit, you wear our wacky gear.
Dancing with Trolls
February 27, 2008 - 14:31 ET by nofatebt: Oh, yeah! Go girl. Leon is an idiot and clueless besides as to what constitutes a conservative. He's not worth the time it takes to reply. When I got off work yesterday and sat down with Mrs. nofate to watch the news and they said McCain had issued an apology for the "trashing" of Hussein Ubama, not knowing anything else about it yet, a major "expletive deleted McCain" came out of my mouth, and it went downhill from there as I learned more about what happened. McCain is at least as conservative as Olympia Snow or Arlen Specter. Zell Miller is to McCain's right. McCain's nose is neither left nor right of Teddy Kennedy but right behind him smelling the way the wind goes. I could get really graphic here, but you get my drift. He is a sellout and to stand up there and call himself a conservative is a travesty of the english language on a par with liberals calling themselves by the name "liberal"- which many are now ashamed of.
And Leon- you suck! Nothing personal, just the facts. I follow the goings on here and you are on a par with the infamous banned troll "hater". Go peddle your lunacy somewhere else. Idiot.
"The future is not set. There is no fate but what we make for ourselves."
michaelyon-online.com
Hey nofate... Long time
February 27, 2008 - 14:34 ET by bigtimerHey nofate...
Long time no see old friend...
I filled my husband in yesterday when he came home and told him what had happened as the day progressed with McCain ect...this was right before the interview with John roberts...we were both going YEAH! and calling McCain names here that I can't say either...
I have had my fill...period.
RINO RINO RINO...with friends like him, who needs enemies.
Btw...Leon the little one is hater.
Hater?
February 27, 2008 - 14:57 ET by nofateHey, bt. Do we know for sure he is hater, as in has a techno type found his IP to be the same or something like that? All I know is he seems to be a slightly toned down version, i.e. not quite as vitriolic, in order to slip under the radar of the board censors. But other than that, his tactics are the same: divert attention from the subject of the blogger's post as quickly as possible, P.O. as many commenters as possible, take the discussion to the lowest level possible and in as many different directions as possible in order to take up space and make it difficult for readers to follow the true direction of the discussion of the posters blog. In other words, keep the pot boiling as rapidly as possible. Sometimes the comments can naturally take a different direction, but if it is readers taking a logical turn, that is one thing. This Leon troll idiot is purposely driving the debate using rage as the steering mechanism and nearly every time he shows up, it works.
For me, now that we're sure of what is going on here, non-response is the surest way to shut him up. He is bored by unresponsiveness. He may or may not be the original hater, but his fascist/socialist activist tactics are certainly the same.
As for McLame, as Levin calls him, the only light I see is for him to miraculously get elected with Romney, Hunter, Thompson, or someone like that as veep and let nature take its course. But I tend to prefer living in the real world, so I'm thinking that this time around, we are screwed! We have to start identifying and supporting true conservatives like Bobby Jindal, because, for true Reagan conservatives, the future is where we need to be directing our efforts. After the next 4-8 years, I have a sense that there are going to be a lot of potential new converts out there if we are in a position to offer them a platform and a leader.
Take care, bt.
"The future is not set. There is no fate but what we make for ourselves."
michaelyon-online.com
Nofate, Your lack of love
February 27, 2008 - 14:39 ET by LeonNofate,
Your lack of love for me brings a single tear to my eye.
Hating strangers isn't weird or unhealthy at all, so by all means, continue wasting your psychic energy on someone you've never met and will never meet.
Again, the NBs are Bush apologists. Bush is not nor has he ever been a conservative. Now you want a conservative. Well, you created this Republica-type of moderate weakling with Bush and now you have to live with it. Tough.
nofate knows who you are
February 27, 2008 - 14:43 ET by bigtimernofate knows who you are hater...he knows full well, as you very well know or have a short memory...when it is convenient.
"Hating strangers isn't
February 27, 2008 - 15:38 ET by nofateSo far, out of the 81 comments shown in the counter @ this moment, you have nearly 20% of the comments (19.8%). Not one is truly constructive, but is rather intended to anger readers into getting into a knock-down drag out with you, thereby taking up space and mis-directing the subject at hand. If you think that being here is "wasting your psychic energy on someone you've never met and will never meet", then why do you bother with us?
I don't hate you, I just want you gone, banned, whatever. You contribute nothing positive to this site, unless learning to trade jibes with you can be considered positive. And that is your intent- to try to keep people so P.O.'d that they lose sight of what is true. If you can bring us down into the muck in which you wallow, you consider your mission a success. And it is a mission with you. I don't hate you, but I do hate the idiotic ideas you represent. You will use any sort of deceit to accomplish your mission and as far as I am concerned, you serve no useful purpose on this forum. Go back home to KOS or HuffPo. But that would make your mission unsuccessful, wouldn't it? So you will hang around spraying the site with liberal bomblets trying to get things off track as long as the administrators allow it. If they do ban you, I'm sure you will be back in another form.
Leon=Troll.
"The future is not set. There is no fate but what we make for ourselves."
michaelyon-online.com
Nofate, I fail to see how
February 29, 2008 - 11:05 ET by LeonNofate,
I fail to see how it's so outrageous of me to point out that it's funny that all of you Bush apologists that have supported him lockstep, even his numerous liberal moments, are now whining and crying that McCain isn't conservative enough.
This is a political discussion forum and this is a valid point. You've apologized so much for Bush's non-conservative moves that you can't backpeddle anymore and you're now stuck with McCain.
Again, tough. You made your bed, have fun lying in it.
I'm no McCainiac by any means.....
February 27, 2008 - 14:03 ET by Missouri Conservative...but Bill Cunningham is one who gives conservatives a bad name. He shouts, yells, and shows zero intellect when articulating conservatism - just talking points....frankly, he's the polar opposite of Mr. Buckley (God rest his soul).
"women and minorities hardest hit"
So because you think his
February 27, 2008 - 14:07 ET by DCC1So because you think his words are to harsh, and you don't like his personallity, you don't support his right to freedom of speech.
Savage has a good quote for this,
"When they came for Savage, you said nothing because you didn't like Savage, when they came for the next angry conservative, you said nothing because you didn't like them either, when they came for you, there was no one left to defend you, because you didn't like them"
This is a slippery slope my friend.
Terrorists want change too
I love Cunningham and
February 27, 2008 - 15:16 ET by goldbarI love Cunningham and Savage. They ought to make them them the spokesmodels of the conservative party. They can hang them self with their free (hate) speech.
What a coincidence, that's
February 27, 2008 - 15:20 ET by Chris NormanWhat a coincidence, that's why we kind of like you and your ilk, too!
gb... Have you and leon
February 27, 2008 - 15:20 ET by bigtimergb...
Have you and leon met?
Good friends yet?
Two or three trolls are better than one I suppose.
BTW, today's conservatives
February 27, 2008 - 15:32 ET by goldbarBTW, today's conservatives should take a page from the late William F. Buckley's playbook--be intelligent, eloquent and reasonable, rather than brash, reactionary and deceitful.
gb... I don't need a
February 27, 2008 - 15:35 ET by bigtimergb...
I don't need a leftist troll here telling me how to behave on any given day...especially a bad one.
I did not know Buckley was a conservative.
February 27, 2008 - 15:41 ET by vrwc13you said "the late William F. Buckley's playbook--be intelligent, eloquent and reasonable, rather than brash, reactionary and deceitful."
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Men stumble over the truth from time to time, but most pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing happened. -Winston Churchill.
leadbar... 'Reactionary
February 27, 2008 - 15:46 ET by Clear thinkerleadbar...
'Reactionary and deceitful' is the clarion call of the liberal left in this country. Please get your attack info straight.
Really?
February 27, 2008 - 15:48 ET by balboaReally?
Really...
February 27, 2008 - 15:58 ET by vrwc13liberal from Webster:
broad-minded; especially : not bound by authoritarianism, orthodoxy, or traditional forms
...sounds like "brash and reactionary" would fit.
"deceitful?"...well by my own experience, it fits liberals more often than not. Especially when it comes to rationalizing the killing of innocent children.
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vrwc... Exactly!
February 27, 2008 - 16:30 ET by Clear thinkervrwc...
Exactly!
"I did not know Buckley was
February 27, 2008 - 15:50 ET by goldbar"I did not know Buckley was a conservative."
This comment shows just how the far right has highjacked the conservative agenda to such an extreme, they no longer recognize their original platform.
Goldbar, just in case you missed it...
February 27, 2008 - 15:59 ET by vrwc13http://newsbusters.o...
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..brash, reactionary and
February 27, 2008 - 16:34 ET by R D Helm..brash, reactionary and deceitful.
I love it when the lefties among us apply the word "reactionary" to conservatives. They should know, as they are the most reactionary people on the planet.
Barack Obama has no middle name. Just ask John McCain.
These days...
February 27, 2008 - 16:37 ET by sarcasmoLefties are far from the only ones to use that term to describe conservatives, especially when it comes to the fiscal variety...
JMR
A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.
Who Do You Think You Are Fooling?
February 27, 2008 - 22:54 ET by dios PrometheusYou are obviously too immature and foolish to know that the late great Mr. Buckley was vilified and demonized as one of the most dangerous men in America in the 1962 book "Danger on the Right" by Arnold Forster and Benjamin R. Epstein, and that he was called an extremist, deceitful, a reactionary, a fascist and every other liberal-fascist epithet. It is only now that he has passed that the liberals love him, and offer him the faintest of praise. So who do you think you are fooling?
Who Do You Think You Are Fooling?
February 27, 2008 - 22:52 ET by dios PrometheusYou are obviously too immature and foolish to know that the late great Mr. Buckley was vilified and demonized as one of the most dangerous men in America in the 1962 book "Danger on the Right" by Arnold Forster and Benjamin R. Epstein, and that he was called an extremist, deceitful, a reactionary, a fascist and every other liberal-fascist epithet. It is only now that he has passed that the liberals love him, and offer him the faintest of praise. So who do you think you are fooling?
hey goldbar
February 27, 2008 - 15:26 ET by candanceSince you're obviously not interested in the point of this article or the inside baseball of Republican voters, I'll humor you.
Last night when Obama graciously accepted the endorsement of Louis Farrakhan and embraced a "Christain" pastor with obvious ant-Semite rhetoric, was that hate speech or was that smooth sailing?
"Last night when Obama
February 27, 2008 - 15:39 ET by goldbar"Last night when Obama graciously accepted the endorsement of Louis Farrakhan..."
You obviously did not watch the debate. When you answer, please provide reference to the transcript where he said this.
excuse me goldbar?
February 27, 2008 - 15:57 ET by candanceI did watch the debate. Obama was asked what he thought of Farrakhan's endorsement. He criticised Farrakhan in general but did not refuse the endorsement.
His quote:
"He expressed pride in an African American who seems to be bringing America together. I obviously can't censor him...I can't say to someone that he can't say he thinks I'm a good guy."
Hillary then pointed out that he hadn't rejected the endorsement.
Obama replied "I would be happy to concede the point."
The footage is already on YouTube so don't bother with revisionism.
Obama tried to burn the candle on both ends and Hillary called him out. That's what happened.
Please do not accuse me of making things up.
"...if the word "reject"
February 27, 2008 - 16:13 ET by goldbar"...if the word "reject" Senator Clinton feels is stronger than the word "denounce," then I'm happy to concede the point, and I would reject and denounce.
CLINTON: Good. Good. Excellent."
You made things up. Check your youtube clip again.
seriously goldbar
February 27, 2008 - 16:26 ET by candanceHe made that remark only after Hillary jumped on him. Anyone who watches that video can tell what happened. Obama stuttered and pussyfooted, wanting to denounce Farrakhan without asking him to stop the endorsement. If he had been entirely clear from the beginning, Hillary would have had no reason to speak up.
What say the shoe was on the other foot. Say Tim Russert tells John McCain that Westboro Baptist Church endorses him. McCain replies that he doesn't agree with the church's rhetoric, but "they see a likeable white guy running for president" so it's cool. Would you call that a rejection?
Russert's question of Obama
February 27, 2008 - 17:31 ET by goldbarRussert's question of Obama was like asking "How long have you been beating your wife". It clearly made him uncomfortable. I' ve also seen the same reactions with republicans who have been endorsed by President Bush. I felt he made his position clear in the end.
but why
February 27, 2008 - 17:56 ET by candanceWhy did it make him uncomfortable? If he dislikes Farrakhan as much as he claims, he would have said flat out "Farrakhan can go buzz off because I don't need him."
The point is that he made his position clear only after Hillary embarrassed him. She had the backbone to say "I made it very clear that I did not want their support." Something Obama walked around for a five full minutes.
And I love how the liberal defense for this is that Russert asked an unfair question. Obama says he "will not tolerate" anti-Semitic rhetoric, but he insists on talking about Minister Farrakhan's right to endorse a black guy....and the media is supposed to ignore this.....
It was Hillary who made the
February 27, 2008 - 18:06 ET by goldbarIt was Hillary who made the mistake of drawing fire letting Obama reload. Had she had kept quiet, Obama would've been left flapping in the wind. She gave him an opening which he will always use to his advantage. This is why Obama would be so great as a negotiator-- he uses every word of his opponent to make his arguement, even when he has to concede a point, he still comes out the victor.
what???
February 27, 2008 - 18:15 ET by candanceI still can't believe you think Obama came out on top. He "flapped in the wind" for a full five minutes and if not for Hillary prodding him, he would have accepted the endorsement.
So now we've gone from "Obama did not like the endorsement" to "he was flapping in the wind and Hillary saved him."
I'll stick with my original point that he accepted the endorsement of a hate-speech bombthrower...and Democrats are hypocrits for asking McCain to do the opposite.
I'm sure Obama was thinking,
February 27, 2008 - 18:48 ET by goldbarI'm sure Obama was thinking, here is a religious sect who have tens if not hundreds of thousands of voters and while I don't embrace the leadership of this religion, if I don't try for those votes they may somehow go Hillary's way. It's a tricky manuever on his part. You have to take out the sheppard and keep the sheep intact. It's like having Fred Phelps endorse you. He's a nutcase, but a votes a vote. While I was satistied with his answer, he probably should have been a little more quick on the draw.
You're putting words in my mouth.
February 27, 2008 - 16:45 ET by Missouri ConservativeI never said he should be censored. It's McCain's campaign and if he doesn't want to be associated with Cunningham's rhetoric, that's his choice. I never heard McCain say that he should be silenced, he just didn't want people to think he was endorsing Cunningham's comments.
"women and minorities hardest hit"
Looks like we have another
February 27, 2008 - 14:06 ET by Chris NormanLooks like we have another candidate who lacks the fighter gene, preferring to make nice with the dems. Way to go garnering conservative support, McCain.
Under the bus?
February 27, 2008 - 14:10 ET by mustangsallySure McCain threw Cunningham under the bus, but he was shrewd to do so. McCain is trying to appeal to moderates and independants, not right-wing whack jobs. Cunningham was comming across as a mean-spirited Rush wannabe. McCain is smart to distance himself from the lunatic fringe ..
With out the 'lunatic
February 27, 2008 - 14:14 ET by DCC1With out the 'lunatic fringe', McCain will be sitting in his own house, not sitting in the white house in one year.
By the way, there are not that many luke warmers aka moderates.
Terrorists want change too
Not so smart of you here, missy
February 27, 2008 - 14:14 ET by BlondeSo, you think we NB'ers are right wing whack jobs and lunatic fringe do you?
McCain loses the conservatives, as represented by most of us here, and he loses the election. And after his latest poke in the conservative eye, I hope you enjoy the rule of B. Hussein Obama.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Blonde, But the NBs
February 27, 2008 - 14:19 ET by LeonBlonde,
But the NBs aren't conservatives as clearly demonstrated by their constant cheerleading of W in 2005 and 2006.
You are one of the most notorious Bush apologists on this site, and as such, have no right to even attempt to call yourself a conservative.
McCain doesn't need the 1% of 'conservatives' that participate on blogs like this. You're a marginal group that has little impact on his success in the election. Why do you think McCain isn't trying to pander to you people? Because he knows you don't matter. He's got the moderate conservatives, the straight moderates, and some liberals behind him. He needs you like he needs a hole in the head.
Furthermore, for all the bravado around here, I'd be willing to bet each and every one of you votes for McCain by the time you hit the booth in November. Whether you admit it or not, just remember I said that when your hand checks McCain in November.
You know what, Leon?
February 27, 2008 - 14:21 ET by BlondeI'm with BT on this one.
Bugger off. You're trolling.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Trolling,
February 27, 2008 - 14:27 ET by LeonTrolling, truth...whatever.
You're a proven Bush apologist meaning that when the rubber hits the road, your conservative principles fly out the window.
You're only conservative when convenient for your politics du juor. That's fine, just don't try to pretend otherwise.
And, to reiterate, McCain really doesn't need your support to win. The fringe elements like the regular posters on the NB will have a negligable impact on the election. Not to mention most of you will vote for him anyways.
Really, Leon the Liar?
February 27, 2008 - 14:31 ET by BlondeTry to prove that, liar.
And if you can't, I'm going to ask for your removal from the boards, here.
Your trolling is disgusting.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Blonde, Show you
February 27, 2008 - 14:35 ET by LeonBlonde,
Show you apologizing for Bush?
I won't be attempting to use the search engine. Your Bush apologism has been clear enough. I don't think it needs to be further documented.
You're going to ask for my removal for what exactly?
Sharing my observations on the Newsbusters apologizing for Bush? Or for saying that your support will not impact McCain's run?
What exactly should I be removed for?
You lose, buckwheat
February 27, 2008 - 14:37 ET by BlondeHa!
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Buckwheat? But I'm not
February 27, 2008 - 14:40 ET by LeonBuckwheat?
But I'm not black and my hair is well groomed.
I don't get the reference.
I'll be eagerly awaiting my Blonde-inspired ban. Although I won't be holding my breath! haha.
Leon
February 28, 2008 - 00:12 ET by MightyMouthYou should be banned for being yourself. But wait...conservatives allow dimwits to be themselves. Maybe you should be banned for being clueless... no... that wont work either, a full half the country is clueless. I guess you are right Leon, you should NOT be banned unless of course you post something really, really, stupid. Which, according to you, has not happend yet <eye roll>
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Hey, MM
February 28, 2008 - 00:23 ET by BlondeA little lunchtime diversion with the troll.
Who, apparently has an encyclopedic recall (note....he won't search to back up his total calumny of calling me a "Bush apologist"...natch, there are none) about everything I've ever posted here.
Which of course, if he were one eightieth as brilliant as he thinks he is, would have caused him to recollect the true meaning of my words...."You lose, Buckwheat".
My B-I-L was in the Special Forces in the early 80's. They had some sort of exercise where they had to jump into the Rockies. After said exercise, while indulging in some R&R, entered a dive bar. My B-I-L's pal sat down at the bar, and the absolutely ugliest woman any of them had ever seen walked up to him and said "You lose, Buckwheat". At which point the rest of the team hauled butt and left him there.
Leon the Loser at the bar with the ugliest woman in the universe. Kind of a pretty picture, yes? LOL.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Buckwheat
February 28, 2008 - 00:25 ET by Cool ArrowLeon, your racist bias is showing.
Why couldn't the reference to "Buckwheat" be to Buckwheat Stevenson (Say what I feel). A very apt description of Liberals.
Or Buckwheat Zydeco?
But no, you automatically assume "black"
You racist. <sarc>
Cool,
February 28, 2008 - 00:26 ET by BlondeClose, but no cigar.
See my post (above).
And of course Leon is a racist...and a liar...and a troll.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Blonde, I'm not a
February 29, 2008 - 10:59 ET by LeonBlonde,
I'm not a racist. I'd appreciate it if you didn't talk that kind of trash.
Have a little class, this isn't your favorite Florida Olive Garden.
Leon, Why do you want to be
February 27, 2008 - 14:44 ET by Chris NormanLeon,
Why do you want to be so obnoxious and immature?
Chris, I'm not. I'm
February 27, 2008 - 14:48 ET by LeonChris,
I'm not. I'm being realistic and honest.
Sorry if it hurts.
leon
February 27, 2008 - 14:54 ET by candanceI can't speak for everyone on here re: Bush because I was only 20 when he won the first time and just getting my political bearings.
In 2004 he won re-election by promising to advance conservative ideas, which he promptly abandoned about 2 hours after winning.
McCain is not even trying to suck up to conservatives. He can't seem to go a whole day without angering the base. And during the primaries when he is supposed to rally our support he's pulling these tricks - I'm looking forward to how far left he shifts come the summer.
PS I've also complained about Bush a lot and have never been an apologist for his stupid ideas.
Candance, Weird I had
February 27, 2008 - 15:01 ET by LeonCandance,
Weird I had always assumed you were much older when, in reality, you aren't much older than me. Always good to see people in our age bracket interested in politics when so many of them aren't.
I agree with what you've said except for one thing. Because of the rampant acceptance of Bush and his lack of conservative measures, conservatives are no longer the base of the Republican party. True conservatives have been marginalized and surpassed by the new, Bush inspired, moderate conservative / full moderate.
The Republican base is comprised of moderates. At least, that's what I saw I in the primaries, and I'll be willing to bet that's what we'll see in the general election.
he he Leon
February 27, 2008 - 15:10 ET by candanceWarning: Grammar Police in attack mode
...The Republican base *comprises* moderates....
I hate improper use of that word!
Okay, with that out of my system, let me reply to your point.
The GOP has been shifting left in every election since Reagan left. Conservatives complained each time, but each time they were compelled to support the party in order to stop the other guy. They were repeatedly told, "stick around and help us win, and next time it will be different!"
Now conservatives are starting to realize that next time is upon us and nothing is different. So McCain can be compared to the straw that would break the camel's back.
PS - I always imagined you older than me!
I believe both are
February 27, 2008 - 18:20 ET by balboaI believe both are acceptable, comprises, are comprised of.
no bal
February 27, 2008 - 18:30 ET by candanceCheck any online dictionary. "Comprised of" makes no more sense than "included of."
From dictionary.com: 4.be
February 27, 2008 - 18:35 ET by balboaFrom dictionary.com:
4.be comprised of, to consist of; be composed of: The sales network is comprised of independent outlets and chain stores.
Merriam-Webster:
3
: compose, constitute <a misconception as to what comprises a literary generation — William Styron> <about 8 percent of our military forces are comprised of women — Jimmy Carter>
usage
Although it has been in use since the late 18th century, sense 3 is
still attacked as wrong. Why it has been singled out is not clear, but
until comparatively recent times it was found chiefly in scientific or
technical writing rather than belles lettres.
yes bal dear
February 27, 2008 - 19:06 ET by candance"Comprised of" has made its way into everyday speech but is still technically wrong.
Yeah, made its way in for
February 27, 2008 - 20:27 ET by balboaYeah, made its way in for the past 300 years.
Bal, That's hilarious.
February 29, 2008 - 11:00 ET by LeonBal,
That's hilarious. I thought my usage was proper. Thanks for the backup.
candance...there are many
February 27, 2008 - 18:46 ET by Jercandance...there are many more serious offenses your Grammar Police should be monitoring. This one doesn't even deserve a warning ticket.
Jer
You're not kiddin'!
February 27, 2008 - 19:15 ET by sarcasmoI've enjoyed the creative apostrophe usage on this page a lot. Some people should just give up on apostrophes.
JMR
A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.
Apostrophe abuse
February 27, 2008 - 19:27 ET by JerIts time we put an end to these grammatical outrage's.
Jer
You could not grasp the possibility
February 28, 2008 - 00:04 ET by dios PrometheusSince you admit that you are under 30 you could not grasp the possibility that many people voted for George Bush because he was not Al Gore or John Kerry.
Bush, in fact, did not run as a traditional conservative. He ran as new breed of conservative, a "passionate conservative" who proclaimed that he could get along with the democrats. Somewhere behind that odd phrase many of us suspected Bush was something of what used to be called a conservative democrat. Many conservatives, however, preferred a "passionate conservative" over an extremist liberal-fascist such as Al Gore or a smug leftist loon as John Kerry. And that is why they voted for him.
Now Bush's record is a mixed bag, and not the simplistic one you mock it to be. Unlike his tax hiking father who promised not to raise taxes in his infamous read my lips speech, he gave conservatives enough to support him for a second term.
Bush, however, has had plenty of criticism from both the neo-Marxists, who hate every fiber of his being, and from traditional conservatives, who have defended him when he is right and criticized him when he was wrong. Sometimes, Bush is both wrong and right on the same issue.
President Bush, however, has done damage to conservatism, just as his father did, by not governing in the Reagan tradition.
The problem with McCain, however, is that he prefers to give conservatives a pencil in the eye and nothing else, and has shown himself to be hostile to the concept of free speech, and continues to show himself hostile to it. He relishes running his big bad bus over them and this is why he will have a most difficult time achieving his egotistical dream of becoming President.
Now I actually would prefer to watch TV than reading any more of your sophomoric, ahistorical inanities, and juvenile drivel.
dP...I thamk you for
February 28, 2008 - 00:06 ET by bigtimerdP...
I thank you for that post...you said it all...for a lot of us.
leon, have you really seen
February 27, 2008 - 14:59 ET by TruthMongerleon, have you really seen NB raving about Bush's bi-partisan efforts here...? Come on...
the average conservative IQ on this site blows MENSA out of the water - you know that - so why you try this here anyway? are you on meds again?
That's mighty presumptive of
February 27, 2008 - 18:02 ET by Chris NormanThat's mighty presumptive of you, assuming that it hurts. It doesn't. All I'm saying is that you're an obnoxious and immature person - nothing else.
Personally Leon... I will be
February 27, 2008 - 14:23 ET by vrwc13Personally Leon...
I will be voting for Huckabee...
v
"Faith doesn't just influence me. It really defines me. I don't have to wake up every day wondering what do I need to believe," Huckabee says in the ad. "Let us never sacrifice our principles for anybody's politics. Not now, not ever."
Right, cause you liberal
February 27, 2008 - 14:27 ET by DCC1Right, cause you liberal trash didn't throw lieberman under the bus for not meeting the litmus test after sucking up to him 2000? And you don't repeat everything your liberal gods (Gore, Hussein) say as if it is the written word of god? Get lost you hypocrite...
Terrorists want change too
DCC, I've never liked
February 27, 2008 - 14:31 ET by LeonDCC,
I've never liked Lieberman, and in fact, I argued against his VP status b/c I thought he was a snake oil salesman. Something scummy about that guy. Furthermore, most Dems dislike him not necessarily b/c of his ideological shift, but b/c it was painful to watch him pathetically suck up to Bush like some freshman cheerleader to the senior quarterback. I never like to see a man give up his dignity like that, regardless of his politics.
Furthermore, I didn't even really like or support Gore, I just knew he was better than the perpetual failure of boy king that was the alternative.
You've now spent 8 years apologizing for the actions of a non-conservative president and now you start to whine and cry about McCain's lack of conservatism? Come on. That's pathetic.
I've never appologized for
February 27, 2008 - 14:38 ET by DCC1I've never appologized for a thing Bush has done, and I opposed Dubia ports, trade with China, his view on limited gun bans, and any other things I think he is wrong on. So what does that make me? I consider myself a independant conservative, and infact have voted liberatarian for treasurery secretary in my state nearly every election.
Can you say the same?
Did you vote for Gore 2000? Did you compromise your politcal views and vote for a guy you didn't like and a weasel?
Terrorists want change too
DCC, Than I apologize for
February 27, 2008 - 14:45 ET by LeonDCC,
Than I apologize for lumping in your with most of your fellow NBs.
I agree with your self-assessment.
And yes, I can say the same for myself. I voted for Gore but I didn't compromise my political views. Most of my dislike for Gore was of him personally. I disliked his personality, I didn't think he had the testicular fortitude to get the things done that he said he could do, and frankly, I was ready for a change from the Clintons. But for the most part, his platform was my platform at the time.
Right, Leon, your definition
February 27, 2008 - 14:38 ET by motherbeltRight, Leon, your definition of a scummy "snake oil salesman" is a Democrat that might cooperate with Republicans. You know that the proper order of the universe is for Republicans to betray their principles to dally with the Democrats. Those guys you call "moderates."
Wrong MB, I think many
February 27, 2008 - 14:42 ET by LeonWrong MB,
I think many politicians on both sides of the aisle are snake oil salesmen. Most of them are scummy regardless of political affiliation.
Party doesn't come into. A politician is a politician regardless of who he/she is lying to.
Yep.
February 27, 2008 - 17:42 ET by Missouri ConservativeI'm a rock-ribbed full-spectrum conservative (social, fiscal, & defense) who opposed McCain in the primary, but who will be voting for him come November without a doubt. Barack Obama and a Democrat congress would be a disaster.
"women and minorities hardest hit"
sally... McCain can't win
February 27, 2008 - 14:15 ET by bigtimersally...
McCain can't win without us on the lunatic fringe as you like to call us....
He is an apologizing RINO ...he apologizes to everybody who I consider the enemy for this country and lunatic critters like me disdain...
Nope, he just threw his own butt under the bus.
Lunatic Fringe
February 27, 2008 - 14:44 ET by mustangsallySorry, but you don't represent all conservatives but only a small slice. If you want to stay home in November - so be it. But the majority of conservatives WILL vote for McCain and many independents and moderates as well.
Remember, the Regan coalition was built upon the Regan Democrats. These are folks who are conservatives, but don't necessarily want to be associated with John-the-Baptist types like Cunningham. That guy is off his meds!
gotta love it
February 27, 2008 - 14:48 ET by candanceYou just have to love the nonstop brainwashing by McCain supporters:
McCain is just like Reagan
McCain is just like Reagan
McCain is just like Reagan
sally, As a conservative who
February 27, 2008 - 14:19 ET by Chris Normansally,
As a conservative who is actually planning on voting for McCain against Obama, I'm not coming at him from a totally hostile position. I want him to win. There was a way to distance himself from Cunningham's raw rhetoric without alienating him and other conservatives. I sense a Bushian trait in him - the trait that contain a too gentlemanly attitude towards the dems and a tin ear when it comes to dealing with conservatives in his own party.
Good comparison, Chris!
February 27, 2008 - 14:35 ET by motherbeltGood comparison, Chris!
A long time ago, I read an op-ed (I forget whose) that said a RINO is always trying to prove to the Democrats that he can be reasoned with and be cordial to them. Then to prove it, he shoots one of his Republican buddies.
Sound familiar?
I don't get it, MB. The GOP
February 27, 2008 - 14:58 ET by Chris NormanI don't get it, MB. The GOP refuses to give back as good as they get - and for what? They're accused of being mean-spirited and dirty anyway. Then they wonder why the base is so disheartened and demoralized.
Nah ... I was beginning to
February 27, 2008 - 14:29 ET by Jack BauerNah ... I was beginning to think he stood a chance against O'Bambi.
But it looks like McCain is walking into a shredder that's taking him down to a Dole like defeat. With that goofy grin, my amigo.
He really has a screw loose if he still think he can continue to piss off the conservative base and make nice with his political ENEMY.
What's next? There's a rumor around that he's considering a "moderate" "democrat" governor for VP slot. Screwy.
It's probably not true, but it says a lot that's it's even surfaced.
By lunatic fringe you are
February 27, 2008 - 14:21 ET by ConservativeRexBy lunatic fringe you are referring to DK readers? Or perhaps HuffPro nut jobs? What Cunningham had to say falls under the free speech standard. I know, I know, if it doesn't agree with your Neo-Stalinist point of view it can not be articulated, but in the real world it is still free speech. If Juan wants to distance himself from it, he certainly can, he is also distancing himself from the one element of the party he is alledgely representing that can put him in the WH. But unlike you neo-Stalinist who follow lock-step behind any lib with a D to the right of their name, we do not follow our "leaders" over a cliff. Nor do we throw them under a bus, straight talk or not.
CR... Well said... thank
February 27, 2008 - 14:23 ET by bigtimerCR...
Well said... thank you.
The ones who oppose that
February 27, 2008 - 14:27 ET by balboaThe ones who oppose that particular name, they're the ones with the problem, not me. His name is Barack Hussein Obama.
Just curious, does Cunningham refer to McCain as John Sidney McCain?
Just curious, does
February 27, 2008 - 14:30 ET by bigtimerJust curious, does Cunningham refer to McCain as John Sidney McCain?
That line is getting old now boa, think of something original....
Btw...Rush is right when it came to this.
I think it's obvious my he
February 27, 2008 - 15:19 ET by balboaI think it's obvious my he says "Hussein" all the time, and that's to draw attention to the middle name, get "Hussein" in your mind whenever you think of Obama.
boa... So the hell
February 27, 2008 - 15:28 ET by bigtimerboa...
So the hell what...we are supposed to have free speech in this country...now we conservatives are being told how to think, how to talk it is getting to the point it is frightening...
We are not going to be allowed to criticise Obama in any way shape of form when the time comes...I am sick of it from the repub and the big-wig elitists who are the same ones who helped us lose in '06 with their so called strategy...including the so-called architect Rove, whom I cannot stand, haven't for years...we are being told to not even call him a liberal for heavens sakes...enough already...the PC police on my side of the aisle can go straight to hades.
Btw...Have you listened to the whole thing from Cunningham?
Hey, he's free to say the
February 27, 2008 - 15:45 ET by balboaHey, he's free to say the middle name all he wants. I'm just pointing out why he's doing it.
Yeah boa...as usual you re
February 27, 2008 - 15:48 ET by bigtimerYeah boa...as usual you re pointing out things we just can't figure out all by our lonesomes...what a guy.
You're welcome. :-)
February 27, 2008 - 15:49 ET by balboaYou're welcome. :-)
boa... I did not say
February 27, 2008 - 15:51 ET by bigtimerboa...
I did not say thank you.
OK fine Bal you've
February 27, 2008 - 16:23 ET by ConservativeRexOK fine Bal you've convinced me. We shouldn't refer to his middle name any longer. It's a red herring anyway. Which I bet at this time he wishes he wasn't stuck with by a man who abandoned him and ran back to Africa to practice his Muslim religion. I bet he wishes he'd of taken the name of his maternal people, Durham, which would be safer. But then he'd just be Barry Durham and not B. Hussain Obama, a name he can milk for any ethnic mileage he can get out of it. At any rate, what should be brought up is the fact that he has a more liberal voting record than Bernie Sanders (Soc Ver.). He would dis-arm most if not all of our security systems in place in the USA, not to mention raise taxes and freeze prices on most everything. Bal, I suppose these subjects are not off limits in a free speech country, correct?
Sure why not? You could
February 27, 2008 - 14:33 ET by DCC1Sure why not? You could call him the 3rd too, if you like, since I think his father and grandfather have the same name. Go ahead, call him Sidney for all I care, maybe that will help him with Women.. haha.
Do you think we should ban using McCains middle name? Do you think Obama should appologize if someone like Olbermann came on tonight and refered to John as Sydney??
Terrorists want change too
How DARE you refer to John
February 27, 2008 - 14:41 ET by Jack BauerHow DARE you refer to John Sidney McCain!
This is OUTRAGEOUS, divisive -- and gutter politics.
Apologize immediately for the ageist and religious slur drawing attention to a "Christian" name that people rarely have under the age of 97.
seriously bal
February 27, 2008 - 14:43 ET by candanceIf McCain had a fun or interesting middle name of course people would tease him about it. This is not about bashing Muslims or being hateful. The name Hussein is a big cultural thing in America mostly because of 20 years of seeing Saddam in the news.
If Ann Coulter's middle name was Evita don't tell me people wouldn't draw attention to it.
And anyway, once again, you're dodging the point of this article. McCain invited a prominent conservative to speak on his behalf and then trashed him for saying something "controversial."
Meanwhile Obama accepts an endorsement from Louis Farrakhan and apologizes for a anti-Semite pastor, but that's all cool because he's a Democrat.....
Hi cd... If what
February 27, 2008 - 14:53 ET by bigtimerHi cd...
If what Cunningham said is wrong then some of us conservatives are too...he poked a big stick in the eye of the msm, he named all the networks with the exception of Fox... he wants Obama looked into as he should be instead of the lovefest the msm and the rest of the lemmings in the political world and the rest of the critters in the country so blindly follow..if he uses his middle name to prove his point that he hasn't been looked into thoroughly or barely any for that matter...he stuck up for McCain, the audience were ticket holders, McCain has met Cunningham twice in person before....unless Cunningham is lying, which I doubt...and to be cast aside and apologized for well who would ever vote for this kind of a man if you are a conservative...with friends like these...
I know it is just me and we all will do differing things in the end...I just hope McCain doesn't make it to the final push of the election, in fact I pray some miracle will intercede somehow...
"in fact I pray some miracle will intercede somehow... "
February 27, 2008 - 14:57 ET by vrwc13http://www2.arkansas...
v
big timer
February 27, 2008 - 14:59 ET by candanceEven if McCain wins, be prepared for the return of the Fairness Doctrine to exact revenge on the likes of Cunningham and Coulter.
This is the way he's acting when he needs the base the most. Imagine what would happen if he got into the White House and didn't have any more use for us at all. His supporters are already calling NB the "lunatic fringe" and it will only get worse.
We are clearly no longer welcome in the GOP.
Exactly right cd... I
February 27, 2008 - 15:08 ET by bigtimerExactly right cd...
I have posted the same thing before about McCain and the Fairness Doctrine if he get's in...he is such a mean vindictive man "my friend"...(to use an over-used quote from mcCain...) he will join in with the left like always to get this passed.
I won't be his "little foot-soldier"...another over-used phrase by blinky, half-arsed smiley face McCain.
Plus his fake monotone lowered voice all the time drives me up the wall when he get's on national television to-boot.
Willie calls him John
February 27, 2008 - 14:43 ET by ammo johnWillie calls him John Juan Pablo McCain for his support of illegal aliens. I've grown up listening to Willie on WLW and I know he's a showman, but he's more correct on issues than others.
No, Bal. But, the Democrats
February 27, 2008 - 15:23 ET by Chris NormanNo, Bal. But, the Democrats sure didn't have a problem deliberately calling George Bush "George Herbert Walker Bush" and loudly mocking the fact that he had two middle names, saying it showed he was an "elite WASP" (the last race, nationality, and religion one can mock) and disconnected. Remember that? Did you have a problem with that?
I really didn't follow
February 27, 2008 - 15:25 ET by balboaI really didn't follow politics then, so I don't remember that.
I just find it interesting that he says "That's his (Obama's) name." Well, then he should say it for everyone if that's his explanation, shouldn't he?
I'm not defending
February 27, 2008 - 15:30 ET by Chris NormanI'm not defending Cunningham, Bal. I'm observing that the Democrats' and media's "offense" is reserved only towards Conservatives. Would you agree? If not, please cite some examples of a liberal getting in trouble for insulting or mocking a conservative.
Well if you conservatives
February 27, 2008 - 15:47 ET by balboaWell if you conservatives had some interesting names, I'm sure we'd mock them more. ;-)
I think you're right, although I wouldn't be surprised to see the Obama camp get made at HRC's for saying his middle name, but that's the rare exception.
McCain's "disassociating"
February 27, 2008 - 14:44 ET by Atomic CrusaderMcCain's "disassociating" himself from the truth is shameful, immoral and irresponsible. This really exposes him for who he is and where he stands. I was trying to be fair and give the guy a chance but this really burns me up and I will not forget it and I am not sure at this moment if I can vote for him. McCain really knows who to bend over for doesn't he?...and doesn't waste a minute getting to it. He won't fight for his party.
Code word
February 27, 2008 - 14:46 ET by VonuEveryone Knows saying his middle name is just code. What they're reallying saying is that he is articulate.
Sista Solja
February 27, 2008 - 14:57 ET by mustangsallyThis was something of a "sista solja" play by McCain. Sure he pisses of a few dozen blowhards on the extreme right, but he signals to the majority of moderate voters that he is not beholden to John-the-Baptist types on the fringe. Smart politics. And definately worth the cost of one bus ...
sally... You have been
February 27, 2008 - 15:03 ET by bigtimersally...
You have been trollin' since you have been on this board...carry on gal.
Btw...McCain is dumb as a box of rocks adn so are his ad visors if he thinks he is going to win without us conservatives,,,moderates...are what exactly sally...just what the hell do you believe in for this country eh?
You believe in closing the borders, are you against amnesty, do you believe in drilling in this country safely...how do you feel about Supreme Ct. Judges sally? ...these are just a few questions sally...I won't even go into the water-boarding torture or McCain/Feingold, embryonic stem cell research... and so much more with McCain....let me know how you feel about all of these things...
Yo mustangsally... I am
February 27, 2008 - 18:11 ET by bigtimerYo mustangsally...
I am still waitng for your answers...
Oh wait I forgot...you have always been a drive-by most times since you have popped up here on Nbs....
You may or may not sneak back later when nobody can respond most times, or just don't care by then, but I would like to know about some of the questions I asked you...I usually just go on by you most times...but today isn't one of them.
So, sally, you are saying
February 27, 2008 - 15:24 ET by motherbeltSo, sally, you are saying that the only people McCain pissed off by flushing Cunningham are right-wing "extremists"?
Wrong. The right-wing extremists already don't like him. He pissed off a lot of conservatives who were trying to find a reason to support him.
And those "moderate" voters you talk about? They will revert to the Democrat ticket as soon as the primaries are over.
thats right. I seemed to
February 27, 2008 - 18:04 ET by red_dragon311thats right.
I seemed to me he was rushing to say sorry.
and THIS is exactly what asshat McCain's campine manager said he was going to quit over. He would feel uncomfortable going against Barak "H-word" Obama.
I was a professional twice over - an analyst and a therapist. The world's first analrapist
First Amendment Primer
February 27, 2008 - 14:59 ET by KillgraveFolks:
A lot of you are throwing around the First Amendment claiming that it gives anyone the "right" to say anything they want in any situation. The funny thing is, both liberals and right-wingers make this claim.
Firstly, the Bill of Rights do not "grant" rights out of nothing. They limit the government from infringing on what is already there (we hold these truths to be self-evident).
That said, there is no First Amendment issue whatsoever when it comes to this Cunningham clown. There is no instance where a government entity is restricting a private individual's speech. This is McCain's show. He has every right to censure those who are speaking for him.
To those who still don't understand what I'm saying, imagine owning a hamburger stand. Now imagine some numb-skull employee of yours starts spouting off a bunch of leftist crap at your customers, and refusing to serve them "murder meat". Is this idiot protected by the First Amendment? Should he be?
killg... McCain knew very
February 27, 2008 - 15:14 ET by bigtimerkillg...
McCain knew very well who Cunningham was before he was asked in plenty of advance to do this for McCain to help gain conservative voters...so acting innocence is a bunch of bull from McCain, just what exactly was so wrong with what Cunningham said when it comes to warming up the conservative audience... eh?
...well, it backfired on McCain and a lot of us conservatives who were considering to hold our noses and vote for him...well I for one will not.
Ever.
McCain, like any other
February 27, 2008 - 15:34 ET by KillgraveMcCain, like any other potitician, is trying to have it both ways. He wants the conservative vote, but he doesn't want anybody "embarassing" him. So yeah, I can understand the red-meat people feeling short-changed here.
But I suspect the leftist mainstream is doing everything it can to demoralize the right-leaning electorate, as Leon is so obviously attempting here (yeah Leon, Brer Rabbit you ain't). For some reason this is becoming an "all or nothing" situation, where having a socialist become the most powerful person on earth is preferable to a candidate who can't pass a purity test (and everyone has their own opinion about what exactly that purity is).
kill... Well of course
February 27, 2008 - 15:40 ET by bigtimerkill...
Well of course the leftist msm is doing exactly that...they are the ones who started all of this...we can count on that non-stop, nothing new there, I don't let the msm sway me in any way of who I am going to vote for.
McCain has always played both sides of the aisle...well he can count this conservative out...I wasn't going to vote for him with the exception of him picking a conservative as VP...well that will not even do it for me anymore.
He did himself in for a lot more than me I suspect in the end of this all.
Fox has just played a clip
February 27, 2008 - 15:22 ET by Jack BauerFox has just played a clip of Obama from a rally today... the man Senator McCain said he respects and whom he would always refer to as Senator Obama...
Guess what, Obama referred to Senator McCain as
Sure John, it's most important that you respect a quasi-socialist... over a conservative.
I agree with Cunningham
February 27, 2008 - 15:26 ET by Republican_by_DefaultIf elected, we can look forward to 4 years of conservatives being thrown under the bus. With Bush we can count the (important) times on one hand. With McCain, prepare to take off your shoes on a regular basis (since we conservatives can't count past 10 without using our toes).
Not that I'm the guy to defend him
February 27, 2008 - 18:39 ET by sarcasmoIndeed, far from it. But I've been thinking about McCain's apology, and I might have found a way to make sense (well, maybe a little...) of it. When he said those words, John McCain wasn't being "just" John McCain. He was, because Obama's also a Senator, instead being "The Senator From Arizona." If you're a political-geek who has watched too much C-SPAN, you might understand what I mean. There's kinda this expectation of an extreme form of politeness from Representatives and especially Senators when they're speaking directly to eachother. Note also they often address the chair rather than eachother, at least in the House.
If this is the reason for the apology, IMO it's pretty benign on the list of issues I'd have with Sen. McCain, but obviously the Cunningham-apology has struck a nerve here or we would not see so many posts about it.
JMR
A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.
sarc... Now that is
February 27, 2008 - 18:44 ET by bigtimersarc...
Now that is pretty weak...they know full well they are not on the Senate floor...by the way my esteemed friend...none of them should still be in the Senate anyway as far as I am concerned...anyone remember the situation with Dole when he announced running?
Yeah, I didn't say it was great...
February 27, 2008 - 18:52 ET by sarcasmoBut sometimes, when you've done a job for a long time, instinct takes-over & overrides common sense. I can see how the world could become the Senate Floor for an exhausted John McCain thinking ahead about debating Obama, and I can see him getting overly worried about the terms used by his firebrand supporters.
If anything a partisan Republican conservative like you would know not to compare anything (even media reaction to the Senator from Archer Daniels Midland, who was IMO only nominally a Republican!) between parties for media-treatment! :) It's just a possible explanation, not really an excuse.
JMR
A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.
sarc... Oh
February 27, 2008 - 18:56 ET by bigtimersarc...
Oh Please!
Since when do you care about McCain and his mental attitude anyway...eh?
I opened up with
February 27, 2008 - 19:03 ET by sarcasmoThe fact that I'm not the right guy to say this or otherwise try to defend McCain. I'm just trying to explain what might have been in his mind to make him say that. Maybe it just means I've watched too-much C-SPAN, or maybe it's my penchant for underdogs.
I don't have to ALWAYS be negative about McCain, do I? In this case I just tried to imagine being a long-time Senator and came up with this. I could very well be wrong, but I can't think of any other explanation, much less a better one.
JMR
A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.
"John McCain threw me under
February 27, 2008 - 18:56 ET by the struggler"John McCain threw me under the Straight Talk Express"
HaHaHa!That's a quote for the ages.Too good.Ha!
Bill CUnningham has every
February 27, 2008 - 19:06 ET by Clear thinkerBill CUnningham has every right to be mad at McCain. This is repeatedly how McCain treats conservatives.
For all you McCainiacs out there, I hope your happy with having this Democrat pretending to be a Republican, as a possible POTUS.
Thank God there is a movement out there to try and stop this idiot.
well clear
February 27, 2008 - 19:09 ET by candanceOne good thing is coming out of this: McCainiacs are starting to show their true colors and admit that they aren't traditional conservatives.
candance... You are
February 27, 2008 - 19:19 ET by Clear thinkercandance...
You are correct. Another way I can tell that they are not conservatives is the way I have been treated by them when I discuss my plans to vote my principles instead of party. I have been called every name in the book, and some I have never heard before.
Thankfully, most of the people here at NB have been very civil. This cannot be said about other blogs I frequent.
The funniest thing I have been called so far... "this guy is nothing more than an undercover liberal trying to sow seeds of division within the GOP". I cannot tell you the vile stuff because it's waaaaay over the top.
All you McCain supporters
February 27, 2008 - 19:11 ET by Clear thinkerAll you McCain supporters may get your way...
I posted this earlier in another thread, but have since thought this thread was a better place for it.
This morning I had the dis-pleasure of having coffee with some Democrat heavyweight locals. Let me re-prase that a little. These are local people that are only influential here in the mountains of western NC.
Anyway, they were talking about discussions they have had with other southern Democrats that are their peers but in other states. To sum it up, they said "that the dems won't be able to take the south in the presidential race". The reasons given are very eye opening. They said they would have to end up voting for McCain because "there's no way in hell they would vote for either the 'B'-word, or the "N"-word so they will vote for the white guy because he's a lot like a DEMOCRAT".
Hi Ct... ..and I will
February 27, 2008 - 19:16 ET by bigtimerHi Ct...
..and I will once again respond the same with....
This puts it all rather succinctly, now doesn't it.
bt... Yep!
February 27, 2008 - 19:20 ET by Clear thinkerbt...
Yep!
BT - a further irony
February 27, 2008 - 19:35 ET by sarcasmoNot that I keep up all that well with the guy, but according to TNR's mud-dwellers, David Duke's reaction to Barak Obama is rather surprising, as well...
JMR
A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.
sarc... Very
February 27, 2008 - 20:21 ET by bigtimersarc...
Very interesting,I think it was yesterday I used Duke as an analogy on some other post....anyway he is correct when it comes to the three candidates as far as I am concerned...what he said about Obama has been said here before too.
....anybody with a brain knows that if you are a political junkie that is....
BILL CUNNINGHAM RADICAL?
February 27, 2008 - 19:36 ET by DarlaWAY TOO MUCH. I accept hearing this crap out of the DEM's mouths,NOW I have to hear it from the GOP's as well.Name calling stopped where I went to school in about the 3rd grade. I think everyone already knows what Obama's middle name is.IT is not his name that I am worried about,it is his actions or lack of, that concerns me.Really Bill,you went over the line when degrading one over the other.I am voting for McCain over Clinton or Obama simply because HE is the only one running that can keep our country safe,keep taxes from sky rocketing,keep our economy in check,deal with the borders and thousands of other issues that neither of the DEM's can do OR WILL DO.IS McCain perfect,of course he is NOT but then I haven't meet a perfect person and I know that I am far from being perfect.We can only hope for that once this life is over.You have disappointed alot of the GOP's which is fine with me.IF you want to vote for Hillary-GO FOR IT.That just means you are more confused than the rest of the country.
Darla...I for on am not
February 27, 2008 - 21:00 ET by bigtimerDarla...
I for one am not confused in the least about not voting for John Sidney McCain...but I see by your profile that you have some confusion when it comes to Matthews and telling us to leave the poor man alone...cute by half...especially from someone who has been here for about a week...you also seem to have some confusion about Sidney and his voting record along with a few other facts about him.
Mighty convenient now isn't it....
John McCain's got to go.He
February 27, 2008 - 20:16 ET by the strugglerJohn McCain's got to go.He ain't workin' out.
He threw Bill Cunningham under the Straight Talk Express.
I'm from Cincinnati, and
February 27, 2008 - 20:27 ET by Ryan Mc.I'm from Cincinnati, and damn proud of Cunningham. He spoke so well and didn't back down at all. When the CNN reporter asked him loaded questions Cunningham batted them out of the park. I'm done with McCain too!
Bill Cunningham has Drudge's
February 27, 2008 - 20:51 ET by the strugglerBill Cunningham has Drudge's sunday night radio slot. Should be fun.Ha!
The bus should have backed up, too.
February 27, 2008 - 21:19 ET by nwahsThe bus should have backed up and run over him again. That guy is an absolute buffoon. I don't know who childish anagrams like "Nothing But Clinton" for NBC was supposed to impress, but it crossed the line from bombastic to idiocy. How was McCain supposed to segue from that keg party to Presidential?
The person who hired that warm up act needs to be replaced.
I consider myself a Reagan conservative, and unlike Reagan who was gracious to most people, Cunningham is a childish fool.
nws... Funny how you pop
February 27, 2008 - 21:34 ET by bigtimernws...
Funny how you pop up when it is pretty heated here about McCain...it is getting noticeable.
Why is it funny?
February 27, 2008 - 21:57 ET by nwahsWhy is it funny? Do you see some conspiracy?
I pop up because the heat usually follows some idiocy by opportunists in the party. And if you want to bash McCain like a Democrat, I'll treat you EXACTLY like a Democrat.
There's really nothing strange. You have a lot of people claiming to be Reagan conservatives and acting like whinny frat boys.
Nothing strange here. I think they're as bad for the country as Hillary or Obama catatonics. I'm not giving them a free pass because they wrap themselves in conservatism.
McCain's fixin' to get run
February 27, 2008 - 21:49 ET by the strugglerMcCain's fixin' to get run over by the Talk Radio Express.
Suppose his name was...
February 27, 2008 - 22:43 ET by MightyMouthBarack Hussein Hitlter.
Would we still be discussing his middle name?
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
MM... I don't think we
February 27, 2008 - 22:50 ET by bigtimerMM...
I don't think we would even be discussing him with a name like that would we....then again in this day and age...ya' never know.
Hey bt
February 27, 2008 - 23:01 ET by MightyMouthJust trying to get people to think that: YEAH, THE NAME HUSSEIN MEANS SOMTHING. If nothing else isn't this bad timing for a candidate to have such a name? I mean really, Barack, you didn't think your middle name would strike a nerve?
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
MM Exactly! Some of us
February 27, 2008 - 23:08 ET by bigtimerMM
Exactly!
Some of us have been saying that very thing here and there..it is ridiculous....
Matthews using the 'H' word instead of even saying his name, as if we are children and it is forbidden to say the full name...on and on it goes...
The "H" word?
February 27, 2008 - 23:12 ET by MightyMouthI hadn't heard that one. Consider the source, Matthews is a slobbering liberal democrat hack. And, is on MSNBC to boot! A loser twice!
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
His name is meaningless!
February 27, 2008 - 23:16 ET by nwahsHis name is meaningless! What part of Reagan conservatism is this logic born in??? If this was posted on the HP about a conservative candidate, I would be wondering (loudly) about lead poisoning. This guy is *literally* a blank slate. Why are we talking about his name?
Right on nwahs!
February 27, 2008 - 23:20 ET by Free StinkerRight on nwahs!
There are much better reasons to criticise Obama, such as his political beliefs.
Pledge to not support RINOs ever again!
If his name is meaningless...
February 27, 2008 - 23:23 ET by MightyMouthThen why are we talking about it? Unless we just like to discuss meaningless things on political blogs...
Apparantly it means something... (not sure what)
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
I hope we aren't talking
February 27, 2008 - 23:58 ET by nwahsI hope we aren't talking about it, and hopefully are talking against name rhetoric.
nwahs
February 27, 2008 - 23:21 ET by Cool ArrowBecause we know absolutely nothing about him.
Neither do the fainting young ladies. Is throwing panties next?
♣ a seal
nw... He is a blank slate
February 27, 2008 - 23:21 ET by bigtimernw...
He is a blank slate to the masses of the lemmings...but not to some others..and he will no longer be a blank slate...wait and see what all emerges..
Patience is a virtue...