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Politico

Politico.com has a cool interactive map. You can check vote by county.

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"Predictions?" Predictions

"Predictions?"

Predictions of what will actually happen or predictions of how the MSM will spin the results?

I hadn't thought of it that

I hadn't thought of it that way...I guess either way, McCain will be the winner...

How about both? Romney

How about both?

Romney pulls it out, but the MSM spins it as his doom.

WhatAMaroon

Hmmm. Yup.

Headline:

"Romney Takes Florida by 5%.  Will This Poor Showing Force His Early Withdrawl?"

or

"Will Hillary Accept Romney's Victory as a Sign That America is Ready For a Woman President?" 

When a liberal speaks, the truth is busy elsewhere.

MSM spins results:

                                                  

                  NewsBusters Flee From Charging RINOs

                       Limbaugh Trampled In Stampede 

 

LOL

Okay this made me laugh.

This is obviously a reflection of how people feel about the WOT

When do we start seeing the news reports harping that McCain is winning because he stand for the war effort against terrorism?  I mean his forte is defense, and he has been arguably the staunchest Senator in his support for "Bush's war."  I would laugh, but then flinch at the thought of lib RINO getting closer to a nomination nod.

"Congressmen who willfully take actions during wartime that damage morale and undermine the military are saboteurs and should be arrested, exiled, or hanged." -Abraham Lincoln

Drudge right now has Romney

Drudge right now has Romney 33.5, McCain 33.8....gonna be a night for agita all around....

I'm not predicting, but I sure hope Romney pulls it out....

Amen, MB

I have been on pins and needles all day but know that if I look too much at the tickers, I will get all worked up, so I am watching my B-Ball team take on Miami. Go Mitt! Go Wake!

The ABC story link on Drudge

The ABC story link on Drudge says the GOP electorate moves "further to the right". I guess McCain proves you can fool some of the people some of the time and that is sufficient.

Godspeed, John

Godspeed, John McCain,Godspeed!

Syrius

 

Mc Cain (L) wins the independent vote by a land slide.

A paper recount!

iranian uranium; iranian uranium, iranian uranium..

Oh joy to the world, 19 more atomic power plants!

 I just felt a disturbance

 I just felt a disturbance in the force...........syriusly.

"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "

                   - Ben Kenobi on  Liberals, and the MSM.

                               " The Cake is a lie."   

Not sure if Fox is ahead of,

Not sure if Fox is ahead of, or behind Drudge, but they have McCain up 34% to 30%.

Go, Mitt, Go!

I cannot believe I just said that.

None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free. -J.W. von Goethe

Politico appears to have a live update vote thingy going...

mcrino up 3% ish...

VTCM,

Here is a link.

None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free. -J.W. von Goethe

Drudge has different

Drudge has different numbers. It's pointless to watch them go back and forth by .3%...amd drive yourself nuts by checking different sites. I'm not looking for a while...

motherbelt, I am heading over to my neighborhood liquor store.

Looks like it is going to be one of those nights.

Need anything while I am gone?

:-)

None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free. -J.W. von Goethe

Romney

Well my son and i voted today for Romney. I saw one place where Fred got 2%. I am praying this thing turns around. All you other guys will have to get out next tuesday and vote for Mitt. We have done our part.

McCain? What is going on? I can not vote for him. We all have to hang tough

If Rudy was out of here

If Rudy was gone it would be Mitt with a much higher draw

what the hell?

 what goes through the mind of a florida Mccain voter when they pull that lever?  

all mccain is good for is saying "lets kill al queda" my 3 year old niece can say that. he is no conservative, he is will not stop illegal immigration, he cannot help this economy so i ask, the liberal media loves him so I ask again...

FLORIDA CONSERVATIVES WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU THINKING VOTING FOR MCCAIN????? 

PLEASE NOT McCAIN

I donot believe I could ever bring myself to vote for McCain. I would feel as though I was voting for Feingold or Kennedy or Liebermann.

CT, I'd vote for Joe Lieberman over McCain any day.

I do not agree with him on much, but I respect the man far more than I do McCain.

None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free. -J.W. von Goethe

God bless Joe Liberman, but

God bless Joe Liberman, but he is still a DEMOCRAP.

CT, lol, so is McCain. :-(

None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free. -J.W. von Goethe

Oh, look! Pop Tech has come

Oh, look! Pop Tech has come out with a Readers Digest version of his 1000 Reasons Not to Vote for McCain! :)

Chris,

Well, at least it is something different.

None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free. -J.W. von Goethe

Not complaining, as long as

Not complaining, as long as it's condensed.

Moron

Thanks for the idiotic comment.

The Anti 'Man-Made' Global Warming Resource

PT, in the now immortalized and enshrined words of Sgt. Hulka:

Lighten up, Francis!

Sheesh.

None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free. -J.W. von Goethe

Why don't you expand on that

While, of course, I totally disagree with your characterization of me and my comment, on the plus side, you didn't take the three hundred lines you normally (and annoyingly) use to make your usual point.

Juan McCain is a Liberal

Suck it...

John McCain: The Democrats' Favorite Republican (Video) (1min)

"I believe my party has gone astray. I think the Democratic Party is a fine party, and I have no problems with it, in their views and their philosophy." - John McCain

McCain Calls Conservative Leaders 'Agents of Intolerance' (The Wall Street Journal)

"Neither party should be defined by pandering to the outer reaches of American politics and the agents of intolerance, whether ... on the left, or Pat Robertson or Jerry Falwell on the right." - John McCain

McCain's Age (Townhall)

Age: 71

- McCain graduated 894th out of 899 in his class at the United States Naval Academy

Betrayal, deceit, corruption and John McCain (The U.S. Veteran Dispatch)

"While
still married to Carol, McCain began an adulterous relationship with
Cindy. He married Cindy in May 1980 - just a month after dumping his
crippled wife and securing a divorce."

John McCain: The Geraldo Rivera Republican (Human Events)
McCain: I'll Respect Hillary (NewsMax)

"I Have No Doubt That Senator Clinton Would Make A Good President." - John McCain

The Real McCain Record (National Review Online)

Abortion:

John McCain Supports Embryonic Stem Cell Research (Audio)
McCain Softens Abortion Stand (The Washington Post)

"But certainly in the short term, or even the long term, I would not support repeal of Roe v. Wade, which would then force X number of women in America to [undergo] illegal and dangerous operations." - John McCain

Anger Issues:

Andy Card: I Have Seen John McCain's Anger (NewsMax)
John McCain: I Have Anger Issues (NewsMax)
John McCain's Temper Preceded Vietnam (NewsMax)
McCain Goes Nuts Near Senate Floor (NewsMax)
McCain's Out-of-Control Anger: Does He Have the Temperament to Be President? (NewsMax)
Vanity Fair Tiptoes Around McCain's Explosive Temper (NewsMax)

Endorsements:

Juan Hernandez, Open borders Advocate Endorses McCain (HotAir)
Republicans for Al Gore (Environmental Protection) Endorses McCain (Press Release)
The New York Times Endorses John McCain and Clinton (Reuters)

Foreign Policy:

McCain considers setting benchmarks for Iraqis (Arizona Daily Star)
McCain falls asleep during the State of the Union Address (Video)
McCain: No 'Torture' for 9/11 Mastermind (NewsMax)
McCain to Close Gitmo: "The first day I am President" (Video)
McCain: Torture Worked on Me (NewsMax)

Global Warming:

McCain and Lieberman Push for New Anti-Global Warming Legislation (The National Center for Public Policy Research)
Senators McCain and Lieberman Propose Energy Tax (The National Center for Public Policy Research)

"No drilling in ANWR, nor in the Everglades, nor off the coast of Florida... To think that drilling in ANWR is the solution to our incredible energy needs is frankly, is not keeping in the reality of what's there, and what it would take to get it out." - John McCain

"I always have a glass of ethanol before breakfast every morning" - John McCain

Illegal Immigration:

McCain Would Sign Amnesty Bill as President (Video)
John McCain gets a 'D' on his Immigration Voting Report Card (Americans for Better Immigration)

- McCain favors business lobbyists’ desires for foreign workers vs. protecting American workers’ wages and jobs
- McCain’s hopes of giving millions amnesty will saddle American taxpayers with huge costs of $20,000 per illegal per year
- McCain has taken the pro-amnesty position in nearly two dozen votes
- McCain only promises to make 2 million of the 12-20 million illegal aliens go home

John McCain Praises Pro-illegal Protests (NewsMax)
McCain aide touts 'Mexico first' policy (WorldNetDaily)
McCain: "Americans Will Not Pick Lettuce for $50 an Hour" (AFL-CIO)
McCain called plan 'amnesty' in 2003 (WorldNetDaily)

"I think we can set up a program where amnesty is extended to a certain number of people, Amnesty has to be an important part..." - John McCain, 2003

McCain: U.S. Should Welcome Illegal Immigrants (FOXNews)
McCain Voted For Illegal Immigrants To Collect Social Security (UC Daily News)
Michigan Crowd Boos McCain On Illegal Immigration (Video) (1min)
Open borders advocate Juan Hernandez has joined the McCain campaign (HotAir)
- Juan Hernandez, McCain Advisor: Mexico First! (Video) (4min)
U.S. Border Patrol Agents Angry with McCain (NewsMax)

Marriage:

Christian Leader James Dobson says 'no way' to McCain candidacy (WorldNetDaily)

"I think that gay marriage should be allowed if there's a ceremony kind of thing, if you wanna call it that. I don't have any problem with that." - John McCain

McCain: Same-sex marriage ban is un-Republican (CNN)

Taxes:

"I'm going to be honest: I know a lot less about economics than I do about military and foreign policy issues. I still need to be educated." - John McCain

McCain: For and Against Tax Cuts (Video)
McCain Boasts That He Voted Against The Bush Tax Cuts (Video)
McCain Would Vote Against Tax Cuts Again (The Club for Growth)

- McCain sponsored and voted for an enormous 282% tax increase on cigarettes in 1998
- McCain was one of only two Republican to vote against the $1.35 trillion tax cut in 2001
- McCain was one of only two Republicans to twice vote against permanent repeal of the death tax in 2002
- McCain was one of only three Republican to twice vote against the $350 billion tax cut in 2003

McCain’s Costly Tax on Energy (National Review Online)

- The EPA Estimates Sen. McCain's Plan Would Hike Gas Taxes By 68 Cents Per Gallon
- The EPA Estimates Sen. McCain's Plan Would Reduce United States GDP By As Much As $5.2 Trillion

McCain Rejects Anti-Tax Pledge (CNSNews)

Veterans:

McCain Can't Buy His Way Out of Votes Against Funding for Veterans

- McCain Voted Against $19 Billion for Military Hospitals
- McCain Voted Against Amendment to Provide $2.8 Billion For Veterans' Medical Care
- McCain Voted Against 2005 Amendment to Provide Guaranteed Funding Stream for Veterans' Health Care
- McCain Voted Against Establishing $1 Billion Trust Fund to Provide Improvements to Military and Veterans' Health Facilities
- McCain Voted Against Adding $1.5 billion to Veterans' Medical Services in FY 2007 by Closing Corporate Tax Loopholes
- McCain Voted Against Mandatory Funding of $6.9 Billion in FY 2007 and $104 Billion Over Five Years for Veterans' Health Care

The Anti 'Man-Made' Global Warming Resource

You know, I'm getting close

You know, I'm getting that close to becoming a McCain supporter.

Chris,

LOL.

Heck, one or two more Jack & Cokes, and I will be unable to hit the links, anyway.

Not that I would bother in the first place. 

None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free. -J.W. von Goethe

I wish PT would have gone to

I wish PT would have gone to campaign against McCain in a more suitable location - like in Florida - instead of harping at us here.

→ You're right Chris

But it wasn't PopTech, really.  It was all the PopTechs out there ignoring Romney's faults out of blind loyalty while repeating ad nauseum links to those of his opponents.

Pretty transparent, really.

♣ a seal

Get it right

As repeating links to the same two candidates, McAmnesty and Huckasuck. I had no blind loyalty to Romney, please stop lying.

The Anti 'Man-Made' Global Warming Resource

 That's okay PT because

 That's okay PT because Juan Hernandez is an unpaid volunteer by the Juan McCain campaign so that makes it allright. You see Juan Hernandez loves Juan McCain's idea's so much and what he stand's for, he'll work for him for free.

So will Jerry Perenchio billionaire founder of Univision and McCain campaign finance co-chair. 

http://michellemalkin.com/2008/01/28/open-borders-campaign-finance-hypocrisy-eco-radicalism-mccains-billionaire-national-finance-co-chair-jerry-perenchio/

Now we know where a lot of McShame's monies are coming from.

"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "

                   - Ben Kenobi on  Liberals, and the MSM.

                               " The Cake is a lie."   

I pray to the good Lord

I pray to the good Lord above McCinsane doesn't squeek by in this one. If he does let's pray super-tuesday will be much kinder to conservatives or else I can see myself doing something come November even more shameful and degrading than throwing on a dress and some Mary Kay to make a few buck's.

 "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "

                   - Ben Kenobi on  Liberals, and the MSM.

                               " The Cake is a lie."   

I'll be praying for one of

I'll be praying for one of two things to happen: a.) Either the current polls are wrong as the panhandle counties don't close their polls until 9 EST and Romney wins Florida, or b.) Republicans in the Super Tuesday states know better than to vote McCain and instead vote Romney!

It's gonna be a long, long

It's gonna be a long, long night.

Britt Hume is laughing at Hillary right now because they having a "victory" celebration. On a positive note, Alcee Hastings has finally broken the suspense, and come out for Clinton. I am so relieved!

Romney is winning Conservatives, and Very Conservatives by a wide margin. Same goes for Evangelicals. McCain is winning the Military Vote, which I don't get, the Economic vote, which I REALLY don't get, and the Amnesty crowd, which I totally get!

If my memory serves me

If my memory serves me correctly, Florida's panhandle counties, which apparently don't close their polls for another seven minutes, are very conservative. Perhaps we don't need to give up all hope just yet.

That is correct.  This is

That is correct.  This is reminicient of election 2000 when Dan  Blather and others called Florida for Gore BEFORE THE POLLS WERE CLOSED in the conservative panhandle.  After seeing that, many people didn't bother to go vote which would have given GWB a larger margin of victory and possibly eliminated the recout fiasco.

The panhandle is Central Time Zone.

 

Do you have evidence of

Do you have evidence of that?  Inasmuch as all projections had the margin extremely thin, it would be logical that voters would have made sure their vote would be cast, as it might just make the difference in an extraordinarily close contest..

Jer

Give it up...panhandle has

Give it up...panhandle has large military and retired military population...overwhelmingly for McCain.

Jer

It makes my head hurt

Please, let it be Romney...

and will someone get Giuliani to go the hell home...

stick a fork in him...he's done.

With 45 percent precincts

With 45 percent precincts reporting, it's 35-32 McCain. Arrgh. Come on, panhandle! Don't screw us over!

Huckaboom is giving his "I

Huckaboom is giving his "I got folks paying for their own yard signs" victory speech! Another one trick pony who needs to go home.

The longer Huck stays in,

The longer Huck stays in, the worse it is for Romney. I think the majority of his supporters go for Romney; majority of Giuliani support goes to McCain... and he's now out of the race.

Huck should pull out gracefully now, endorse Romney and make a play for a VP slot. He's only 52, and can set himself up for another run in 8 years.

*****

"People only insist that a debate stop when they are afraid of what might be learned if it continues." - George Will 

Huck should pull out

Huck should pull out gracefully now, endorse Romney and make a play for a VP slot.

The political buzz from conservative pundits is the opposite: Huckabee stays in because he wants the VP nod from McCain, and you're right, he will split the conservative vote with Romney.

Check out my exclusive edit of BBC News America's interview with Mrs Clinton: It's news to me!

Huckabee is staying in for Huckabee...

"The longer Huck stays in, the worse it is for Romney. I think the majority of his supporters go for Romney"

Actually I think his votes would not go to Romney...and

"Huck should pull out gracefully now, endorse Romney and make a play for a VP slot."

I don't think he would be offered nor accept the VP slot from Romney.

My guess is if Romney were to drop, Huckabee could give McCain a run for the money.

Huckabee would carry the south and with someone like Hunter, the West.

v

"Faith doesn't just influence me. It really defines me. I don't have to wake up every day wondering what do I need to believe," Huckabee says in the ad. "Let us never sacrifice our principles for anybody's politics. Not now, not ever."

Britcom has a good scenerio why...

http://newsbusters.o...

v

"Faith doesn't just influence me. It really defines me. I don't have to wake up every day wondering what do I need to believe," Huckabee says in the ad. "Let us never sacrifice our principles for anybody's politics. Not now, not ever."

What is with mccain?

what do florida repubs see in mccain that i don't? do they just not like mormons? do they think being a pow qualifies you to be president automatically? do they not see that he tried to shove amnesty down our throats in closed door meetings with a group called LA RAZA (the race)?

what is it florida? what???

You know what it means if

You know what it means if McCain wins this, right? It means we have to rail like crazy against McCain in the Super Tuesday states and hope those states aren't duplicate Floridas. There are still 1,000-something delegates out there.

 Yep, cause regaurdless if

 Yep, cause regaurdless if he win's, loses, or drop's out, McCain will never be president.

2000- " I'm the only candidate that can beat Al Gore"

2008- " I'm the only candidate that can beat Hillary Clinton

.....but you cant' beat true conservatives.

"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "

                   - Ben Kenobi on  Liberals, and the MSM.

                               " The Cake is a lie."   

Well, unfortunately

Drudge now has mccain by 35 to Romney's 32 at 1903 AZ time. I live in AZ and the only way I would vote for mccain is to remove him from our state...I have already voted for Romney, would have voted for Thompson, but...

Broom Hilda vs. Obama

In looking at the numbers, and given the huge margin that Obama lost by, I wonder if many of those McCain votes are coming from crossovers?

In Florida, you can switch party affiliations 29 days prior to an election. This gives them plenty of time to switch back before the GE next November.

Or am I all wet here?

None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free. -J.W. von Goethe

In that case, switch your

In that case, switch your party and vote Edwards- he'll never win- and then switch back to Republican before the general election.

Plent of crossover's I'm

Plent of crossover's I'm sure RD especially considering the Dem primaries delegate's were supposed to not be seated. At any rate I thought HRC would take Florida anyway, but closer.

 "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "

                   - Ben Kenobi on  Liberals, and the MSM.

                               " The Cake is a lie."   

Blazer,

I thought HRC would take Florida anyway, but closer.

Me, too. Much closer, actually.

None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free. -J.W. von Goethe

Thing is, if Dems are

Thing is, if Dems are crossing over to vote for McCain, they're doing it because they like the guy, not because they think he's a pushover candidate. That lends credence to the theory that he's the most viable Republican candidate to beat Clinton or Obama.

Not that I'm pulling for him, mind you. Still planning to pull the Romney level (though still wish it was for Thompson.) 

*****

" People only insist that a debate stop when they are afraid of what might be learned if it continues." - George Will 

CRAP!

AP and Fox calling McCain winner.

Fox Called it

McCain won

Yep!  My stupid Floridians

Yep!  My stupid Floridians voted for another Democrat.

Thank you very little

Thank you very little

Sonny, I hope you and Blonde are driving around tonight...

TP'ing every front yard you can find with a McCain sign on it.

None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free. -J.W. von Goethe

With only 51%? What the heck

With only 51%? What the heck people...

 Of course he will,

 Of course he will, putz.

http://thepage.time.com/2008/01/29/a-deal/

 I vote for that picture as next caption-fest.

"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "

                   - Ben Kenobi on  Liberals, and the MSM.

                               " The Cake is a lie."   

Good call, Blazer. I am sure

Good call, Blazer. I am sure we can come up with a lot of good material for that. Say it ain't so, Rudy.

Here, Here Masthead ! What

Here, Here Masthead ! What we all need right now is an early week caption-fest. Comedy is needed right now to foreshadow the comedy of error's that just took place in Florida.

 "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "

                   - Ben Kenobi on  Liberals, and the MSM.

                               " The Cake is a lie."   

e tu Guliani

Isn't he the loser that ran from Hillary in NY making her the carpet bag queen senator.  Guliani your name is excrement.

CT

Grow up

Guliani's endorsement of McCain disgusts me.

I have nothing but contempt for Guliani at this point and no respect for McCain. I am a Viet Nam era Navy vet and I donot see anything I like in McCain and I will not be voting for him in this lifetime.

Ask me if I care


Isn't he the loser that ran from Hillary in NY making her the carpet bag queen senator. Guliani your name is excrement.

Have some respect for your neighbor. Your behavior is beyond childish and is in extremely poor taste.

Guliani will only help McCain lose to Hillary

Guliani has lost my respect with his endorsement of McCain. I make no apology for that, if you cant handle that don't read my posts. I've been on this board longer then you and have shown you more respect than I now feel you deserve.

It is what it is

Well CT I feel I speak for many Republicans when I say you couldnt be worse in the timing of your remarks. I may be young, but I remember a certain man had a certain rule -- The 11th Admendment.

Third Eye, you are correct,

Third Eye, you are correct, but you assume McCain is a Republican. Every time the man uses Reagan's name in vain, my stomach churns, then my blood boils.

As for Rudy, I started this process thinking he was the one, with Romney in a close second. That Rudy would endorse McCain makes me question my own sanity. And his!

Calling at 55% is like....

 is like watching the Super Bowl and the channel declares the team up at 14:45 in the 3rd quarter the winner. Didn't the media learn from the Presidential election four years ago.

On a side note, I really hope the panhandle pulls it out. I really thought the Thompson supporters(such as myself) would rally for Romney. I believe once Rudy pulls out Romney will gain so much more momentum. If not then it is evident that our country is overrun by a bunch of soft bellied pansy middle left liberals who only claim to be Conservative.

 

 If everyone that claimed to be victim on a daily baisis donated a dollar to the ending of the deficit, it would be irradicated rather quickly.

Hypothetical question:

If Rudy and Huckabee were not on the ballot, who would be winning this?

I'm guessing Romney.

None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free. -J.W. von Goethe

You think? I'm not sure.

You think? I'm not sure. McCain and Rudy do have some things in common - it's just that Rudy didn't seem to revel in being a maverick like McCain. So, maybe Rudy's fiscally conservative/socially liberal voters go to McCain now. Huckabee is probably drawing votes of people who would never vote for a Mormon. Could Florida's large Hispanic population have something to do with McCain's victory there? Haven't seen any results - just asking.

Chris,

I heard somewhere that a huge percentage of the Hispanics there are of Cuban ancestry. I have always thought them to be more conservative than Hispanics coming from other areas. I know they were big Reagan supporters in the '80s. Of course, this could be a "what have you done for me lately?" kind of thing, too.

I could be wrong, but I cannot believe all of them would vote for McCain. Same for Huckabee supporters, as he is getting a lot of support from the Fair Tax crowd. After Huck practically body-slammed McCain in the debate the other night on the subject, I don't see many of them voting for McCain.

At least I would like to think they wouldn't.

-Think I'll go pour up another one.

None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free. -J.W. von Goethe

I'm just thinking that