A thread and a chat for those wishing to discuss the primary news of the day.
Nevada news has already come in with Clinton and Romney winning the less-contested state. South Carolina still waiting...
Update 22:09. McCain wins it. Or is it just that the anti-McCain vote was divided?















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As a Fred-Head I am nervous
January 19, 2008 - 20:13 ET by Clear thinkerAs a Fred-Head I am nervous as hell.
Rush Limbaugh stated that of the top 5 Republicans running for the presidency, only one was a true conservative. http://www.fred08.com/
Till Super Tuesday
January 19, 2008 - 20:18 ET by Airforce_5_OWell this sets up some interesting scenarios for Feb 5. Will Fred stay in the race? Did he get in to late?
Is Huck finally done?
My guess, Fred and Huck will stay till Super Tuesday and then we will see them start to drop like flies.
I would like to see Huck
January 19, 2008 - 20:26 ET by Clear thinkerI would like to see Huck get caught up in fly paper, now!
Rush Limbaugh stated that of the top 5 Republicans running for the presidency, only one was a true conservative. http://www.fred08.com/
Ct......
January 19, 2008 - 20:55 ET by Airforce_5_OYou and me are on the same page there brother. I am just wondering when V and the Huckbots start complaining.
I just heard Hunter dropped
January 19, 2008 - 20:19 ET by bigtimerI just heard Hunter dropped out....dang it all anyway...(of course I knew he wasn't making any gains but he is one hell of a great conservative and a good man, may his son stay safe.)
Thompson/Hunter '08!
Ct...been wondering where you are friend...I am nervous too.
I posted earlier somewhere about this upcoming Primary vote in SC...I am hoping I feel like against hope that Fred does well tonight.
bt...
January 19, 2008 - 20:23 ET by Clear thinkerOf all days, my computer has been acting up today. Forgive me if I suddenly drop off.
I have been a nervous wreck all day. The word I'm getting from people I know in SC is that Fred is doing better than what the media is saying. One can only pray!
Rush Limbaugh stated that of the top 5 Republicans running for the presidency, only one was a true conservative. http://www.fred08.com/
Duncan Hunter just quit the
January 19, 2008 - 20:20 ET by Clear thinkerDuncan Hunter just quit the race. He was on about 5 minutes ago.
I don't expect this to change much, but his supporters will be up for grabs. I'm hoping they go with Fred!
Rush Limbaugh stated that of the top 5 Republicans running for the presidency, only one was a true conservative. http://www.fred08.com/
guess i need a new tag
January 19, 2008 - 20:21 ET by botgguess i need a new tag huh?
GoHunter08
botg...
January 19, 2008 - 20:24 ET by Clear thinkerIf Fred stays in will you vote for him?
Rush Limbaugh stated that of the top 5 Republicans running for the presidency, only one was a true conservative. http://www.fred08.com/
more likely than
January 19, 2008 - 20:26 ET by botgmore likely than not
GoHunter08
I kind of assumed that.
January 19, 2008 - 20:30 ET by Clear thinkerI kind of assumed that. Considering you know what a conservative is, I knew you understood that Duncan and Fred were the only conservatives in the race.
Rush Limbaugh stated that of the top 5 Republicans running for the presidency, only one was a true conservative. http://www.fred08.com/
my thoughts
January 19, 2008 - 20:36 ET by botgmy thoughts exactly
GoHunter08
How about
January 19, 2008 - 21:46 ET by Jack BauerHow about GoGoGoneHunter08
So much for Rushies theory "if you run as a conserative you win"
January 19, 2008 - 22:41 ET by upcountrywaterbotg,
All those internet voter tests i took, Hunter was 1st. and Fred was 2nd. I sure wish Rushie was right on this one, oh well 98.6% of the time he's right, or so he sez.....Fred MAYBEEEE.. <SQUEEEEZZZE>
iranian uranium; iranian uranium, iranian uranium..
Oh joy to the world, 19 more atomic power plants!
I think that settles it.
January 19, 2008 - 23:00 ET by tracheostomyI think that settles it. Hunter-type conservatives are set for extinction.
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
Guys, don't get so
January 19, 2008 - 23:59 ET by Gary P JacksonGuys, don't get so discouraged. Duncan Hunter was treated as an afterthought, even at the debates. If the GOP had pulled Ron Paul's ticket Hunter might have had a chance.
But If Fred has to go, it's about his late start. People keep saying he wanted people to want him to run, which delayed his start. Very noble, but not smart. No matter how our fore fathers did things, this is 2008. If you're serious, you gotta get it on.
I don't think Fred is done yet Florida will be do or die for him. The good news is, Fox's coverage shows Fred took a lot of Huck voters from him. If nothing else, It would be nice to see Fred in until Huckamania hangs it up!
Congressman Duncan
January 20, 2008 - 10:56 ET by dscottCongressman Duncan Hunter returns to San Diego tonight,
Saturday January 19, 2008
Media Opportunity at 8:00 PM (PST)
Broadway Pier at the end of Broadway St, San Diego FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: January 19, 2008 CONTACT: Gary Becks (619) 334-1655, garybecks@yahoo.comSan Diego, Calif. We started this campaign a year ago right here, in San Diego Harbor, against the backdrop of American Naval power. We launched a campaign emphasizing a strong national defense, enforceable borders and restoring the industrial base of America. Today we end this campaign. The Nevada caucuses reflecting only 2% of the vote for me. I ran the campaign exactly the way I wanted to, and at this point not being able to gain traction in conservative states of Nevada and South Carolina, it's time to allow our volunteers and supporters to focus on the campaigns that remain viable.It's time for me to gear up for 2008's defense bill that will be put together over the coming weeks. There is work to be done in the areas of troop protection and new capabilities to be deployed in Iraq and Afghanistan. And over the horizon, the emergence of Communist China as a military super power will require a new emphasis on U.S. capabilities in undersea warfare, space, and long range air-power. The best way to maintain a new era of peace is for the U.S. to remain strong. Over the coming year I will endeavor to help craft a defense bill that meets the new security challenges.Since our campaign began over 200,000 additional manufacturing jobs have been lost. 1.8 million jobs have left the U.S. for China. This fracturing of the U.S. industrial base is a long term threat to America. I hope that the remaining candidates will recognize it and address it. As the senior Republican on the House Armed Services Committee, I will seek to address it.Only hours ago a border patrolman was killed in the California Desert. This tragedy emphasizes more than ever the compelling case for the completion of the border fence. Since I wrote the bill that mandates 854 miles of double border fence only a few miles have been constructed. Over the next year in Congress I will do everything in my power to get that fence built. Finally, for Lynn and me, the campaign over the last year has shown us this: America is a wonderful country. Our people have great character and goodness, and the meeting of new friends has enriched our lives. The failure of our campaign to gain traction is mine and mine alone. But we have driven the issues of national security, the border fence, the emergence of China and the need to reverse bad trade policy. Because of that, this campaign has been very worthwhile, and for the Hunter family, a lot of fun. To our friends and supporters and volunteers: many thanks. And now it's time for me to focus on developing a 2008 defense bill that serves our troops and our nation. Thanks, and God Bless America.Duncan Hunter Thus goes another worthy opponent. This will give Fred a boost and narrows the choices.
Someone explain this one to
January 19, 2008 - 20:48 ET by Jack BauerSomeone explain this one to me.
Fox SC polls show that of those Reps considering themselves VERY CONSERVATIVE 38% went to Huckabee and 13% to Thompson.
Just don't get that.
They can't seriously think Huckabee is VERY conservative. Can they?
Ever been SC Jack? I live
January 19, 2008 - 20:59 ET by Airforce_5_OEver been SC Jack? I live in NC and I don't get SC. I was stationed there from 88-93 and I still don't get them.
LOL Air. One of life's
January 19, 2008 - 21:12 ET by Jack BauerLOL Air. One of life's mysteries I suppose.
Conservativism has been redefined...
January 19, 2008 - 21:58 ET by timothe...by the mainstream media as "Christian Conservative", which embodies only social conservatives.
Watching two liberal Republicans battle it out for 1st in a conservative state makes me a sad panda.
South Carolina is a state fill with Morons
January 19, 2008 - 22:08 ET by PopularTechThe people in these states obvious do not own a computer, except of course to send and receive useless chain and spam mail. Apparently these people do not even listen to talk radio. I take it they simply watch TV.
Either that or they are even dumber than I thought and want to "Fight Global Warming".
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Right
January 19, 2008 - 22:22 ET by mytwocentsSomebody down there is dumber than a box of rocks! Any state that allows indepents to vote deserves what they get. Come on conserative states.
Yea, PT how about that Nevada, how many miles border/w utah?
January 19, 2008 - 23:03 ET by upcountrywaterRomney wins in Nevada.. And the ratio of winning votes to miles of common border is: Answer in; Votes per kiloton/ mile.<joke>
iranian uranium; iranian uranium, iranian uranium..
Oh joy to the world, 19 more atomic power plants!
I see Fred got my memo
January 19, 2008 - 21:09 ET by bigtimerI see Fred got my memo about using the media instead of the other way around...he's tied for third...may move up, ya' just never know yet...
Great Speech Fred...a little late but still loved by me.
Independents??
January 19, 2008 - 21:31 ET by Big SargeI just saw (on Fox) that McCain is pulling in 39% of the independents. Why are we letting non-republicans vote in our primaries? If you can't pick a party, you don't get to pick a candidate. C'mon Fred!!!!
Independents are morons
January 19, 2008 - 22:21 ET by PopularTechIndependents are really as dumb as the socialist Democrats, they want McCain because he is going to fight global warming and are scared to death Romney, Fred, Rudy or even Huckabee will win the GOP nomination. I've even heard Democrats talk that out of all the GOP they like McCain the best.
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Independents are morons?
January 19, 2008 - 22:36 ET by shawn228Well Pop Tech, I happen to be a independent and If it makes a moron to check out both sides of the story instead of blindly following a party because they are either a Conserative if Liberal, so bet it.
I guess It would make me less of a moron to post back to back to back to back links against Huckabee and Mcain. Or going off on a mock religion battle which I am choosing to believe you were heavily medicated for.Come on, you fired up a doobie before posting that rant right?
How does Romney stop the applause?
Romney shows his compassion
Don't blindly follow anything
January 20, 2008 - 00:48 ET by PopularTechThat is my point, if they did check out both sides (they don't) they would not be supporting McAmnesty. I am technically a conservative libertarian. You cannot just be independent of everything, you must stand for something or do you? No one wants blind allegiance, least of all me. If the GOP screws up I call them on it. I understand people do not want to be labeled. But I am the last one to blindly follow anyone. I listen to Air America, read the NYT and watch CNN all just to hear the other side. It is largely loony toon land. With made up non existent facts and propaganda.
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Wait a minute
January 19, 2008 - 22:38 ET by jay_1975Do not presume that "Independents are really as dumb as the socialist Democrats". I am an Independent that would like to see Romney or Fred win the nomination. AGW is a myth and the Dems proposals would do more harm to this country than good. Even a true Independent can see that most Dems would love nothing more than to stay rich while keeping the masses dependent on their form of government. The reason I am an Independent though, is my lack of faith in the current Republican primary. They, like the Dems, are far too loyal to their party as opposed to their country and their constituants. I am mostly disgusted with our current crop of political "leaders". The one issue that drives me toward being an Independent is Iraq. I did not (and still do not) support that mistake, but I will never fail to support my brothers and sisters in arms. Unfortunately it is too late to just pull out, but we never should have been there in the first place.
The Case for Invading Iraq
January 20, 2008 - 01:06 ET by PopularTechMy problems with Iraq is we should of went in with 400,000+ troops and took no prisoners. What was your problem with it?
Should we have kept Saddamn in a "box" forever? Let me make the case:
1. Saddam Violated 16 UN Resolutions
Saddam Hussein's Defiance of 16 United Nations Resolutions (The White House)
"Saddam Hussein has repeatedly violated sixteen United Nations Security Council Resolutions (UNSCRs) designed to ensure that Iraq does not pose a threat to international peace and security. In addition to these repeated violations, he has tried, over the past decade, to circumvent UN economic sanctions against Iraq, which are reflected in a number of other resolutions. As noted in the resolutions, Saddam Hussein was required to fulfill many obligations beyond the withdrawal of Iraqi forces from Kuwait. Specifically, Saddam Hussein was required to, among other things: allow international weapons inspectors to oversee the destruction of his weapons of mass destruction; not develop new weapons of mass destruction; destroy all of his ballistic missiles with a range greater than 150 kilometers; stop support for terrorism and prevent terrorist organizations from operating within Iraq; help account for missing Kuwaitis and other individuals; return stolen Kuwaiti property and bear financial liability for damage from the Gulf War; and he was required to end his repression of the Iraqi people."
2. Saddam Funded and Supported Terrorism
Naming names: The Saddam-al Qaida connection (WorldNetDaily)
Saddam, Al Qaeda Did Collaborate, Documents Show (The New York Sun)
Saddam Hussein's Support for International Terrorism (The White House)
Saddam Pays 25K for Palestinian Bombers (FOXNews)
3. Saddam's Crimes Against Humanity
Saddam Hussein's Atrocities (FOXNews)
"Human Rights Watch: Saddam's 1987-1988 campaign of terror against the Kurds killed at least 50,000 and possibly as many as 100,000 Kurds."
The War Crimes of Saddam Hussein
Top 5 Crimes of Saddam Hussein
4. Saddam's Acts of War - Repeatedly Fired on Coalition Aircraft
Foreign Relations - Iraq
"Since the implementation of the No-Fly Zone in 1991, Iraq has repeatedly fired on Coalition aircraft over 2500 times"
5. WMDs
Hundreds of WMDs Found in Iraq (FOXNews)
Polish Troops Find Sarin Warheads (FOXNews)
Sarin, Mustard Gas Discovered Separately in Iraq (FOXNews)
Duelfer: 'A lot of material left Iraq and went to Syria' (WorldNetDaily)
Iraqi General: Syria Gave Al-Qaida Saddam's WMDs (NewsMax)
Iraq's WMD Secreted in Syria, Sada Says (The New York Sun)
Map: A senior Syrian journalist reports Iraq WMD located in three Syrian sites
Report: Syria hiding Iraqi WMD (WorldNetDaily)
Saddam's WMD hidden in Syria, says Iraq survey chief (The Daily Telegraph, UK)
Saddam's WMD Moved to Syria, An Israeli Says (The New York Sun)
"WMDs were moved to Syria" - Saddam General Georges Sada on The Daily Show (Video)
"WMDs were moved to Syria" - Saddam General Georges Sada on FOXNews (Video)
Ex-Official: Russia Moved Saddam's WMD (NewsMax)
Russia Moved Iraqi WMD (NewsMax)
Botulinum bacteria found in Iraq (The Age, Australia)
IAEA confirms yellowcake found in Rotterdam likely from Iraq (USA Today)
Iraqi WMD Components Found in Rotterdam Scrapyard (Hawaii Reporter)
Suspect Items From Iraq Shipped Abroad, U.N. Says (The New York Times)
U.N. experts find 20 banned Iraqi engines in Jordan (USA Today)
UN: Iraqi Weapons Sites Looted (The Arms Control Association)
U.S. removed nuclear material from Iraq (CNN)
Saddam Hussein Planned to Re-start Nuclear Program (NewsBusters)
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PopTech A+
January 20, 2008 - 01:11 ET by Cool Arrow"Since the implementation of the No-Fly Zone in 1991, Iraq has repeatedly fired on Coalition aircraft over 2500 times"
All by itself this observation clearly indicates we were still at war with Iraq regardless of Willi Jellyknees Clinton's passivity.
Great post overall. A+
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I used to go crazy hearing about this on TV
January 20, 2008 - 01:22 ET by PopularTechWhen Clinton was in office I used to go crazy hearing that Saddamn was getting away with firing at our fighter aircraft over and over and we sat around doing nothing more than knocking out the source of the fire. Then the bombing of the Cole all because of Clinton stripping the military of oil tankers the Navy used to use to refuel at sea and then having this policy of not to fire on anybody until at least 100 of our soldiers are dead first. It was madness.
Now we have Iranian speed boats running at our Naval ships saying over the radio "WE EXPLODE YOU" - Hello, if I was a commander and that came over the radio I would have immediately sank those bastards. What the hell are we doing?
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It's like a joke
January 20, 2008 - 01:29 ET by botgHow many UN resolutions does it take to get some action?
Well botg
January 20, 2008 - 01:32 ET by Cool ArrowGenerally it depends on which 3rd world country has the cutest children.
wrong kind of action but it
January 20, 2008 - 01:38 ET by botgwrong kind of action but it was the Clinton years now wasn't it?
Supreme Court, National Security, Borders, Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.
Poptech
January 20, 2008 - 01:16 ET by botgcheck here for more links
Actually you sound like a socialist
January 19, 2008 - 23:15 ET by well99I am a independent and not for McCain or do I believe in the GW hoax.It sounds like if people dont think like you they must be stupid.Newsflash that is typical socialist thinking.Everyone in lockstep.You sound like a Kos Kid.You like links here is one for you.
http://www.youtube.c...
Did you have a front seat?
The Most idiotic thing yet
January 20, 2008 - 00:35 ET by PopularTechI sound like a socialist for endorsing candidates that are pro-capitalists? It has nothing to do with thinking like me, it has to do with not thinking like a socialist. Which makes you comment idiotic.
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PT
January 20, 2008 - 05:14 ET by well99It was your bs statement about Independents.Socialist only believe in one view theirs and are you any different?
What?
January 20, 2008 - 05:19 ET by PopularTechSocialists believe in redistribution of wealth, big government and are against personal property rights.
Obviously I only believe in my views. It does not mean I do not want to hear yours, now please tell me what your views are. Tell me your facts are convince me.
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well99, for future reference, shawn is not a "kos kid"
January 20, 2008 - 01:37 ET by R D HelmNot even close.
And I would be really careful about throwing around that "independent" label as well, as many of us who live by our convictions, be they conservative or otherwise, consider many self-proclaimed "independents" to be people who stand for nothing.
None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free. -J.W. von Goethe
Here's an Independent thought
January 20, 2008 - 01:38 ET by Cool ArrowGiven a certain set of circumstances, I will vote for Obama for the purpose of proving anyone can grow up to be President.
Now quit bellyachin' about how hard your homework is kid and make something of yourself. Lord knows the government won't do it for you.
Independent enough?
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Cool,
January 20, 2008 - 01:51 ET by R D HelmLOL.
None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free. -J.W. von Goethe
Here's the reasoning
January 20, 2008 - 01:56 ET by Cool ArrowIf the choice is between a dyed in the wool RINO (McCain) and Bambi, I'd just as soon the next 4 years stand for something significant.
Apologies to the Women's movement, there are some independent thoughts I will not entertain. Hillary heads that list.
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Cool,
January 20, 2008 - 01:56 ET by R D HelmWorks for me. :-)
None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free. -J.W. von Goethe
RD actually I was talking about PT
January 20, 2008 - 04:59 ET by well99When it came to kos kid.Not Shawn.Try again.
"And I would be really careful about throwing around that "independent" label as well, as many of us who live by our convictions, be they conservative or otherwise, consider many self-proclaimed "independents" to be people who stand for nothing"
Wow that hurt.Oh wait I have mistaken you for someone whose opinion I respected.I really dont care what you think about independants.Some people make decisions by the issue.You and PT remind me of those Kos Kids.Only your views count.Bad news it dont work that way.Sanctimonious is a good word for you two to look up.
Are you mentally challenged?
January 20, 2008 - 05:16 ET by PopularTechYou are comparing me to the Kos Kids? Are you mentally challenged? Your opinion counts now please tell me what the hell it is!
We are well aware you want to be labeled "Independent" ok why and what do you stand for? I'll tell you what I stand for:
- America First
- Anti-Socialist, Communist and Fascist
- Strong Economy
- Low Taxes
- Strong Military
- Winning in Iraq by overwhelming force
- Ending Foreign Financial Aid
- Legal Immigration Only
- English as the National Language
- Freedom of Speech
- Freedom of Religion
- Pro-Life
- School Choice
I can go on and on and on. By and large these are conservative positions. Conservative does not mean stamping Republican on your head. Libertarians largely vote Republican too. I even support many Libertarian positions.
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PT
January 20, 2008 - 05:38 ET by well99Those arent conservative choices.Most people have those views.Except the extremes.Except school choice is conservative which I am for.The reason I brought up Kos Kids is your ridiculing independants.That is how they do it on their board.That is Kos Kid s.... .You may not agree with someones view but as long as it is in a respectful manner then debate them.Prof Truth is gone.The debate aint over.
Wait is this about Global Warming?
January 20, 2008 - 08:14 ET by PopularTechProfessor Truth was a propagandist who kept spamming and name calling everytime he lost a point (which was everytime). He was also a computer illiterate. He thought that by trying to have the last word on everything that it would keep those who do not understand how computers work believers. He also thought he could keep discrediting everybody by calling them deniers. He didn't have facts, he cut and pasted propaganda off sites like Grist. You cannot debate global warming religious believers like Professor Propaganda.
Actually those are all conservative positions. The neo-liberal positions AKA Democrat are:
- Everyone before America
- Pro-Socialist, Communist and Fascist
- Economy? Who needs that. Capitalism is the root of all evil!
- MUCH MUCH Higher Taxes - the more you make the more you pay. Tax them until they make as much as the little guy!
- Weak Military, who needs a military when you can talk to people?
- Get out of Iraq NOW!
- MUCH MUCH MUCH MORE Foreign Financial Aid! Global Welfare is good.
- Anyone can come here, as many as that wants to and Americans should pay for them.
- Every Language is Americas
- Freedom of OUR Speech
- Religion? Don't need that, Christianity is as bad as Radical Islam!
- Pro-Choice
- Socialized Schools (Current System)
I cannot believe you do not know what their positions are.
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PT
January 20, 2008 - 14:52 ET by well99America First
That isn’t a conservative or a liberal issue. I don’t care which party you wont find most Americans that don’t believe in that.
- Anti-Socialist, Communist and Fascist
I never had anyone at work ever say they support communist or fascist so did that make them all Conservatives?
- Strong Economy
Who wants a weak one? You think anyone wants to lose their jobs or homes?
- Low Taxes
Even those rich elites use every tax breaks so apparently they are lying out their a..
- Strong Military
Unless you’re a councilman from SF who wants cops most Americans do believe in that.
- Winning in Iraq by overwhelming force
That is a given. The mistakes have been made by the politicians not the troops.
- Ending Foreign Financial Aid
As far as that it depends on the situation. First cut off the UN and kick it out of the country then go case by case.
- Legal Immigration Only
That is a given. It was grassroots organizations not just conservatives that fought against amnesty. How is that fence coming along?
- English as the National Language
Ask the average person and tell me how many are against this.
- Freedom of Speech
Right of all Americans. Never heard anyone deny it but extremes.
- Freedom of Religion
Same as above
- Pro-Life
Conservative but being pro choice doesn’t make you a leftist.
- School Choice
Same as above. Some folks may believe in PS system it still doesn’t make them leftist.
There are extremist who don’t believe in a lot of this but screw them. My point is simple when you lump everyone together as you did with Independents it is a Kos Kid mentality. It not just about the issues it is about stereotyping. As far as independents it has nothing to do with sitting on the fence it has to do with making your own decision on issues and persons you vote for. If their was a Dem running that I though would do what is best for the people in this country I would vote for that person.
Lets make this clear there
January 20, 2008 - 15:48 ET by PopularTechLets make this clear there are no real "Independent" positions because it doesn't make any sense. Independents are either too scared to say what they really mean because they are afraid to be labeled or honestly do not know. Yes I realize that there are people who are "Independent" but it does not state where you are on the issues. There are many members of the Democratic Party who hold conservative positions but have no idea what the Party actually stands for. This is part of the confusion. Many are also really Libertarians and do not know it. REAL liberals are Libertarians which I can respect (but do not agree with on all issues) because they essentially want to leave ALL decisions up to you without government interference.
America First
"That isn’t a conservative or a liberal issue. I don’t care which party you wont find most Americans that don’t believe that."
You see many people burning flags and they are not conservative. Democrats think we should help everyone before ourselves. Granted they believe in the Country for the most part they are simply naive and in many ways guilty that we are the lone SuperPower as if that is bad. Only Conservatives are not naive on this issue. A better example is that while I was not happy with Clinton being President I respected him as the President of the United States even though I vehemently disagreed with him. Once he lied under oath - even that respect was gone. Though I never believed he truely hated the country or thought he was "evil" just dishonest and selfish. And after the scandal - an embarrassment but never "evil". Yet I hear wack job liberals calling Bush "evil".
- Anti-Socialist, Communist and Fascist
"I never had anyone at work ever say they support communist or fascist so did that make them all Conservatives?"
Do they support Unions? Do they want to take from the rich and give to the poor? Do they want government to fix all their problems? Sure they don't say Communist outright but they believe in Socialism. Talk to more liberals and really get to the bottom of what they believe. You need to make them answer these questions and you will find all you need to know.
- Strong Economy
"Who wants a weak one? You think anyone wants to lose their jobs or homes?"
The Democrats do, oh no they don't believe that but their socialist policies say it all, they are just too stupid to realize it. Explain to me how the mentally insane thinking that raising taxes will help the economy? Please I am all ears. Tax cuts only help the economy. The Conservative Position is the only one that works for the Economy.
- Low Taxes
"Even those rich elites use every tax breaks so apparently they are lying out their a.."
What? What does using a Tax Break have to do with raising taxes?
- Strong Military
"Unless you’re a councilman from SF who wants cops to defend the US most Americans do believe in that."
Did you miss the eight years of Clinton?
- Winning in Iraq by overwhelming force
"That is a given. The mistakes have been made by the politicians not the troops."
The Liberal Position is to cut and run, the conservative position is to anniliate the enemy and to stop playing games.
- Ending Foreign Financial Aid
"As far as that it depends on the situation. First cut off the UN and kick it out of the country then go case by case."
Since when do I owe any foreign country my tax money? Who decides this? This is obviously not a liberal position to stop the aide.
- Legal Immigration Only
"That is a given. It was grassroots organizations not just conservatives
that fought against amnesty. How is that fence coming along?"
You saw what happened in the 2006 elections with Congress and in 2007 with the Amnesty bill.
- English as the National Language
"Ask the average person and tell me how many are against this."
Have you missed the Democratic Party trying to stop this? I have asked and true Neo-liberals don't think there should be any national language.
- Freedom of Speech
"Right of all Americans. Never heard anyone deny it but extremes."
Democrats say they want free speech until it is speech they do not want to hear. Where do you think Political Correctness came from?
- Freedom of Religion
"Same as above"
Really? Have you not noticed the transformation from Merry Christmas to "Happy Holidays", from the Christmas Tree to a "Holiday Tree"?
- Pro-Life
"Conservative but being pro choice doesn’t make you a leftist."
Pro-Choice is NOT a conservative position. This is not about what the majority of your positions are, this is about what side these individual positions fall on. Libertarians for instance believe that abortion should be a personal decision and are opposed to any government funding or interference pro or against. There are also Pro-Life Libertarians.
- School Choice
"Same as above. Some folks may believe in PS system it still doesn’t make them leftist"
Again one stance on one issue out of many does not make you a leftist. But let me give you the best and most logical argument for school choice:
20/20: Stupid in America (Video) (41min)
Don't be so afraid to admit your positions on something. This is a free country and you can change them. Trust me I understand you wanting to leave your options open but I gaurantee you that if a Democrat gets in office they will raise taxes, expand entitlement programs and increase government's size and spending (not something many conservatives are happy about with Bush). I have never voted for a Democrat for these reasons and never will. I have voted third party many times.
I make my own decisions on issues and who I vote for. My positions however after researching them rarely to never change (if properly researched). I consider myself Conservative on most issues but do not rubber stamp myself with whatever the Republican party wants me to do.
The Anti "Man-Made" Global Warming Resource
PT
January 22, 2008 - 01:34 ET by well99Well there is a saying about opinions and your's is wrong but you do have the right to it.Then again that is my opinion.We can agree to disagree or not.I could put up a whole lot of this and that but I not going to.I not trying to convince anyone.People are going to think what they want anyways.My point got lost in this way back but oh well.
Never wish for anything as it is a petty spell
January 19, 2008 - 21:35 ET by Lame CherryAlways stick with the certain deal of prayer as it costs nothing from God.
In stating that, Romney has shown his western appeal in winning in Nevada where Huckabee does not stand a chance.
What is interesting is if South Carolina will swing Romney, Thompson and McCain Huckabee.
If that happens McCain is done even if he stays in the race as much as Huckabee will be on his last gasp as once out of the south he is fading fast.
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South Carolina
January 19, 2008 - 21:55 ET by SlicksterI guess the voters in SC are more interested in sort term government hand outs than in long term prosperity. Huckabee will never get any religious agenda through congress and McCain will sell them out to illegal aliens, fools.
I am sick to my stomach
January 19, 2008 - 22:00 ET by bigtimerI am sick to my stomach that the likes of the RINO McCain, the self-declared Sheriff of the Senate is the winner of the SC Primary.
...Sick I tell ya'.
Btw...The Huckster coming in second makes matters worse.
Of course this is my bias and my problem....sick nevertheless.
Oh don't too riled there
January 19, 2008 - 22:07 ET by Airforce_5_OOh don't too riled there BT. McHuck will see there end come Super Tue. I think once we hit the true Conservative states the garden will be weeded.
Af... I think you are
January 19, 2008 - 22:11 ET by bigtimerAf...
I think you are right...just had to vent here.
Btw...Part of what makes me ill is the delight of the msm who have done their best to get their two fav's where they are tonight via free air time, the 24/7 going on and on with these two fella's after tonight.
Yep. sill feeling downright sort of sick to my stomach...lol.
On another note...was any one else afraid that in Thompson's speech tonight that he was going to concede and throw his weight to McCain...?
I was ...
January 19, 2008 - 22:26 ET by mytwocentsI was a little bit afraid of that, but good old Fred did the right thing and stayed on despite the MSM urging him to drop out. I hope one day he gets a chance to really rake them over the coals as commander in chief.
BT - that is what disturbs me the most also. That the MSM
January 19, 2008 - 22:32 ET by Dee Bunkgave this victory to McCain. Aside from his RINOness, he doesn't stand a chance against Hillary or Obama. Voting for him is just stupid.
BT
January 19, 2008 - 22:32 ET by Airforce_5_OI didn't get the chance to see but I hope he has got more sense then that.
McCain is in bed with the Dems big time and not the leadership we need.
McCain is a RINO
January 20, 2008 - 14:30 ET by Jaywalk65Jannie
McCain is not only a RINO, but he's too old and I think he is mentally unstable. Watch his squinty eyes keep blinking. I don't even think his wife likes him. Watch her face in the background and when she is with him. He is for illegals amnesty and everything that is liberal.
I had to go out.
January 19, 2008 - 22:39 ET by pbthinkerI was watching Fox and saw that Fred was going to make a speech, but I had to go out and missed it. I'm glad he's staying in. I plan on voting for him, in Florida on the 29th. It will be interesting to see how McCain does in Florida, since we don't let independents vote here. Giuliani, according to some of the polls, is heading in the wrong direction. I'm hoping that, if Conservatives have a choice, Fred can pick up enough votes to make people take notice, on Super Tuesday. He's a long-shot, that's for sure.
Democrats: Stuck on Stupid since 2000.
bigtimer
January 19, 2008 - 22:55 ET by botgwould fred support Mc Amnesty?
some conservative
GoHunter08
Don't think so, but you
January 20, 2008 - 00:10 ET by Gary P JacksonDon't think so, but you never know. I'd bet Romney would get the nod. Besides, McCain already has his Vice President by his side: Lindsey Graham. Nothing in it for Fred.
The "republicans" may as well nominate Broom Hilda for POTUS
January 19, 2008 - 23:44 ET by R D HelmAt the end of the day, is there any real difference?
If Fred drops out, I will give Mitt another look. Otherwise, I will be casting my vote for the libertarian candidate next November.
It is now crystal clear to this conservative that most "republicans" are utterly indifferent when it comes to the serious issues of the illegal alien invasion and taxes.
That is just fine with me, as I am now totally indifferent to the Republican Party.
None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free. -J.W. von Goethe
RD
January 19, 2008 - 23:48 ET by botgdon't even think that
botg, LOL.
January 20, 2008 - 00:11 ET by R D HelmOkay, perhaps I was a mite hasty in my previous assessment, as, given Sen. McCain's advanced years, I doubt very seriously he could generate anywhere near the force of Broom Hilda's now (in)famous, massive thighs.
The only things missing from that hilarious video were the dull, rusty saw and the a'hem, lockbox.
None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free. -J.W. von Goethe
Golly R D, don't vote third
January 20, 2008 - 00:17 ET by Gary P JacksonGolly R D, don't vote third party. Instead, just go ahead and vote for the dim candidate, the results would be the same.
Where ever you live, talk to everyone you know, and make sure they vote for someone who will win the general, and isn't John McCain.
I think It would be smart to start pushing Mitt really hard after Florida. And then if it comes down to it, hope Mitt will pick Fred to be his Veep. Unless they screwed up, I don't think that combination could be beat.
Romney will be GOP candidate, VP up for grabs
January 20, 2008 - 00:20 ET by PawpawNMitt will win Repub nomination. Who will the VP is anyone's guess! Could be any number of people....hey, won't Don Rumsfield be a hoot or Cheney again!!!