Alan Greenspan: I Never Said Iraq War Was About Oil

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It's fitting that now that he's left his post as chairman of the Federal Reserve, Alan Greenspan's words are being as closely scrutinized as they were back in his days at the Fed.

Not carefully enough, though, it seems.

Over the weekend, a media firestorm errupted after the Washington Post printed a news article claiming that in his memoirs, Greenspan said the ouster of the Saddam Hussein government was just about oil.

Unfortunately for the liberal press and blogosphere, Greenspan did not say what was attributed to him. After the news broke, Greenspan called up the Post to say he'd been quoted out of context:

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Greenspan said that at the time of the invasion, he believed, like Bush, that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction "because Saddam was acting so guiltily trying to protect something." While he was "reasonably sure he did not have an atomic weapon," he added, "my view was that if we do nothing, eventually he would gain control of a weapon."

His main support for Hussein's ouster, though, was economically motivated. "If Saddam Hussein had been head of Iraq and there was no oil under those sands," Greenspan said, "our response to him would not have been as strong as it was in the first gulf war. And the second gulf war is an extension of the first. My view is that Saddam, looking over his 30-year history, very clearly was giving evidence of moving towards controlling the Straits of Hormuz, where there are 17, 18, 19 million barrels a day" passing through.

Greenspan said disruption of even 3 to 4 million barrels a day could translate into oil prices as high as $120 a barrel -- far above even the recent highs of $80 set last week -- and the loss of anything more would mean "chaos" to the global economy.

Given that, "I'm saying taking Saddam out was essential," he said. But he added that he was not implying that the war was an oil grab.

"No, no, no," he said. Getting rid of Hussein achieved the purpose of "making certain that the existing system [of oil markets] continues to work, frankly, until we find other [energy supplies], which ultimately we will."

Will the media be as eager to propagate Greenspan's actual remarks as they were to do so for the ones attributed to him? I'm not holding my breath.

—Matthew Sheffield is the creator of NewsBusters and its Executive Editor.


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Woah, I'm first

Woah, I'm first commenter.

To quote the ever quotable Yogi Berra, "I didn't say everything I said."

Quo usque tandem abutere, Catilina, patientia nostra? Quam diu etiam furor iste tuus nos eludet?

Media

The MSM is a disgrace.They hear what they want to hear, not what is said. They take things out of context for their own agenda.  Moreover, their constant assumption that protection of our oil interests is somehow wrong, is simply left-wing sedition. Do they ride horses to work? Do they heat their homes with peanut oil? Jerks!

NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal".

So here come all the

So here come all the corrections, and explanations of how this happened, and the mea culpa's, and the backtracking by all the libs who touted the false story over the weekend.... (sound of crickets chirping.....)

...again I ask - what is

...again I ask - what is wrong with a war for oil?

Conservatives never seem to challenge this...

That was Greenspan's point here

He sees that as being a perfectly acceptable justification to go to war and tried to get the Bush admin to realize this.

He was ignored.

I agree, TM. When I first

I agree, TM. When I first heard the original story, I thought wait a minute, if we went into Iraq to get their oil, why the hell are we pushing $3 a gallon for gas, and higher in some places? Shouldn't we be awash in all this Iraqi oil now?

Then I figured he must mean to keep the flow of oil from being disrupted by an egomaniacal tyrant. And I thought, yes, sounds like a good plan to me.

According to liberals, the US is only supposed to use its military might for "humanitarian" purposes, and when we have absolutely nothing to gain for ourselves from it.

Doesn't the price of

Doesn't the price of gasoline at the pump have a lot to do with the amount of gasoline the large oil companies choose to refine? 

I think it's based largely

I think it's based largely on the crude barrel price...

But refinery also affects price - we need some new refinery capacity here - haven't been any built for a while, and also a significant part of the refinery expense is that so many states have different laws about how the gas needs to be refined, taxes also factor in significantly - around 30% is it? Anyone know this in more detail?

 

here

This has some great

This has some great information on oil pricing and refinery capacities, etc. It is kind of lengthy, but a great resource noethe less. I also did some research about how much (little actually...like less than 12% of all of our entire oil supplies) of our oil comes from the middle east and posted it somewhere in one of the forums I think. I'll try to find it.

"There are millions of people in Iraq who have sacrificed in the hope that the United States will finish its work here. We should never forget that." -- Lt. Gen. Raymond Odierno, Commander U.S. III Corps

probably doesn't fit the

probably doesn't fit the hate-haliburton template very well I'm sure

Where Our Oil Comes From

Why we are so friendly to our neighbors in the North and the South, as well as tolerating el diablo in South America.

If we were to have a real war for oil we wouldn't have to leave the continent. 

Killing them with kindness isn't working.  Time to get scrappy with the Donkeys.

but we would have to leave

but we would have to leave the moonbat templates - and that could never happen of course...

Gene, Thanks for the

Gene,

Thanks for the info.  Just started it but it looks like a great resource.  Appreciate the sleuthing.

Here's more on the

Here's more on the percentages of oil from the mid-east.

"There are millions of people in Iraq who have sacrificed in the hope that the United States will finish its work here. We should never forget that." -- Lt. Gen. Raymond Odierno, Commander U.S. III Corps

(Very) Simplified Explanation

It is my understanding that OPEC has a contract to sell crude for a fixed price of X dollars per barrel.  The price that OPEC charges is adjusted when new contracts are negotiatied.

The day to day pricing structure we see at the pumps is a function of commodity brokers, and twice daily price changes reflect market activity domestically and internationally.  What happens in the world greatly affects the price of crude on the market.  It's the boys in white shirts and wing tip shoes on the NYSE floor that have the greatest impact on day to day pricing (which revolves around events in the world that or preceeding day and what speculation about what will happen tomorrow). 

Price is also affected by demand, finding and drilling new sources of crude vs dwindling stock of current wells (supply), refinery capacity (they are all pretty much refining as much as possible now, so shutdowns like from Katrina Hurricane are miserable for keeping refined gasoline supply steady.), federal/state regulated blends (may be several required at one time which further complicate production and increase cost), federal/state taxation, and a variety of other factors.

There are a multitude of factors that are woven into the web of gasoline pricing.  Unless OPEC has little to do with fluctuating prices for gas unless they cut production of crude or renegotiate the contract(s).

Killing them with kindness isn't working.  Time to get scrappy with the Donkeys.

The Art of Propaganda

Goebbels would be quite proud of the skills of today's MSM.

 

 


Thompson/Giuliani 2008

Ditto

I've been saying that for more years than I can remember!

...we used to joke about

...we used to joke about Praavda - now the Russian news is probably more reliable then the west - oh the irony...

All I can say is this is

All I can say is this is just delicious.  I will enjoy watch the MSM try to backtrack and cover their error over the next few days.

Lily, no you won't, because

Lily, no you won't, because the LibMedia won't. They should, but they won't. If they were truly unbiased and believed their function was to inform the public, then they would.

This lie will be reported and repeated until we have a third of the population believing the lie, just as nearly a third of the population believe that 9-11 was an inside job.

I don't know if the LibMedia thinks that admitting an error would decrease their credibility, or what. But, considering that their credibility is lower than Congress' and below President Bush's, I don't think it can get any lower. If they publicly and loudly declared they'd made a mistake in the report and issued the correction, then their credibility would increase. But, that ain't happening ... even if pigs fly it ain't happening.

"A communist is someone who reads Marx. An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx." Ronald Reagan

Matthew, Greenspan

Matthew,

Greenspan clarified his comments.  He didn't deny them.  The quote being presented by the MSM does appear in his book as far as I can tell:

"I am saddened that it is politically inconvenient to acknowledge what everyone knows: the Iraq war is largely about oil."

Is this quote not in his memoirs? 

The media reported accurately.  It was Greenspan who was unclear.  Hence his clarifying comments.

I wonder, Leon, if you

I wonder, Leon, if you would afford that kind of leeway to someone with whom you disagree....

It's all about proportion.  Your argument is the same old lame "we coverd it" argument the Lib media always uses. 

If the media had reported it accurately and in context, no clarification would have been necessary.

MattM, My impression is

MattM,

My impression is that the Media covered it accurately.  The problem was that Greenspan wasn't clear in his book.

That's how I've read the situation.  The quote I used above comes directly from his book.

"I am saddened that it is

"I am saddened that it is politically inconvenient to acknowledge what everyone knows: the Iraq war is largely about oil."

 Page, paragraph and line, please?

 

the horse is out...

Believer

What does the msm care, the horse is out of the barn and Andrea Mitchell's hubby is now supporting Hillary.

The damage gets done, because the allegation is more newsworthy than the facts. Why Bush did not jettison Greenback, Tenet and the rest of the holdovers is beyond me and will continue to bite him in the knee.

Like I said the damage is done and the retraction will only be played like someone in the WH got to him.

Candidly, I believe the Iraq issue was national security and oil is part of that issue, and Bush should have said so in the beginning lumping our care and concern for the only democracy in the mideast, Israel.If the rest of the world refuses or does not have the nerve to stand these tinpots, then we should extract as much oil as it takes to pay for both wars. Let's resurrect "to the victor go the spoils."

Exactly RIGHT!

Why Bush did not jettison Greenback, Tenet and the rest of the holdovers is beyond me and will continue to bite him in the knee.

The most moronic thing a Republican President can do is to keep liberal partisans, in any positions, in his administration! And yet, in spite of the evidence, Republicans continue to repeat this utterly stupid and self-destructive behavior.

What can be gained from keeping people in these positions that ultimately seek your political destruction?

I hate to burst the bubbles

I hate to burst the bubbles of all those liberals out there but Greenspan is a protege' of Ayn Rand. (Horror)

Greenspan's comments basically betray his sentiment that the war should have been about oil all along, and that was all the reason that anyone needed to go in and kick Saddam's ass. To Greenspan oil is money and he is unapologetic about his devotion to capitalism (more Horror). In a polite sort of way he is accusing GWB of being too liberal with his rhetoric for going to war, not too conservative!

Gotta love the

Gotta love the Greenspan!

"Congressmen who willfully take actions during wartime that damage
morale and undermine the military are saboteurs and should be arrested,
exiled, or hanged." -Abraham Lincoln

Suppose that Mr. Bush had opted not to go into Iraq.

If the CIC had elected not to go into Iraq, and Saddam then undertook another adventure in an attempt to gain control of a large percentage of the world's oil supply, as he was attempting to do when he invaded Kuwait, who would the Washington ComPost, along the rest of the liberal MSM and their democrat compatriots, be lining up to blame?

Why, George W. Bush, of course.

When I'm president, privatization is off the table because it's not the answer to anything.
-Hillary Rodham, September 3, 2007 AARP Legislative Conference.

Greenspan said

Greenspan said that Hillary would not be a bad president. I thought what is another word for "bad." How about terrible. No she would not be a bad presdent but a terrible one. Well that did sound strong enough so I looked up terrible in Roget's.

Hillary wouldn't be bad she would be an dreadful, frightful, scary president.   

A bonafided and certified member of the beer guzzling, NASCAR watching middle class.

" ... While he was

" ... While he was "reasonably sure he did not have an atomic weapon," he added, "my view was that if we do nothing, eventually he would gain control of a weapon."

 

Saddam had one of the biggest and worst WMDs ... millions and millions and millions of US dollars.

His own propensity for war-making aside, in the years prior to our invading him he was funding the families of suicide/homicide bombers in Israel with 10s of thousands a per bomber/family.  I believe the bombings increased after his funding started.

The UN Oil For Food scam insured a constant flow of money into his pockets ... So, if Saddam DIDN'T have a WMD, per say, that doesn't mean he wasn't capable of buying one for someone else to use on us ... By paying suicide/homicide bombers in Israel he proved he was a threat to do just that.

It was $25,000 each -

to the families of suicide bomber terrorists. You don't hear too much about bombs going off in Israel any more, do you?

  Ignorance is bliss. It's easier to repeat a mindless slogan than to do some actual research.

Greenspan`s remarks are nonsense

Saddam was no threat to the Straits of Hormuz, even at the peak of his power, and besides, there is simply no end to a military role around the world if justified on the basis Greenspan does.

There is a MARKET for oil, which is very fungible, and even dictators have to sell in order to profit from it. The government really has no business getting involved and in fact our interventions in the ME have had the effect of removing supplies from the market. All the government does is to DISTORT markets and waste defense dollars.

Those who advocate that defense dollars be used to "protect" energy supplies should also advocate costing out their policies via direct taxes on oil, so consumers can see what they are paying for.

Greenspan has shown himself to be no friend of free and responsible markets, on this and many other issues. http://blog.mises.or.... He lives a sorry legacy, along with others who promote state interventions in the economy.

"I do not know what is true. ... But in the midst of doubt ... I do not doubt that the faith is true and adorable which leads a soldier to throw away his life in obedience to a blindly accepted duty."
- Oliver Wendel Holmes, Jr.

"Saddam was no threat...

...to the Straits of Hormuz"... 

That's a ridiculous statement, BS. Saddam was attempting to regain the power he had when he attacked Kuwait and Iran.   His neighbors, including Saudia Arabia, were nervous about his known goals of dominance in the region.  

The only thing preventing him was our "military role" in the region.   Since the UN and Saddam's covert governmental business partners around the world were determined to weaken his containment, it was only a matter of time.   

So, yes, Greenspan is right.  Saddam was a threat to world oil supply.   

Saddam was never a threat to the Straits, only Iran has been

Thanks for the comment.

Saddam was interested in gaining greater control over oil resources, but he found he couldn't steal Iran's or Kuwait's.  After the first Gulf war, he was no longer a threat to other's oil resources, or to closing the straits.

You and Greenspan both confuse the desire for more wealth - obtained from selling petroleum - with a willingness to commit economic suicide (close the straits, and face the coordinated opposition of the US and other exporters using the straits) to spite one's face.

Yes, he posed a challenge to the Saudi monarchs and their Wahhabist regime.  Thank goodness we put a stop to Saddam's secular regime and continue to prop up the Saudis.  That's been such a winning strategy, not only for our security, but for keeping oil prices down while promoting liberty, of a piece with our success with installing the Shah.

The invasion of Iraq has of course done nothing to secure the straits, though it has drastically further curtailed Iraqi production, despite hopes for the opposite.

Maybe it's time to give serious though to actually letting oil markets work ....

 

"I do not know what is true. ... But in the midst of doubt ... I do not doubt that the faith is true and adorable which leads a soldier to throw away his life in obedience to a blindly accepted duty." - Oliver Wendel Holmes, Jr.

It's ridiculous to claim Saddam did not present

an increasing threat.  

Given the collusion of the several countries that continued to privately and illegally pour money into Saddam's coffers, and given his appropriation of moneys meant for his populace, he had more than enough funds to pursue his goals of power. 

At the same time, a number of countries were undermining the UN's stated goal of containment and WMD prevention.  Coupled with the UN's increasingly weak responses to his behavior, his ability to pursue his goals of controlling regional oil production and movement would obviously continue to increase.   

"...put a stop to Saddam's secular regime..."  How dry and sterile that comment is!  It's sad that, to this day, you leftists remain cavalier about Saddam's widespread terrorizing of his countrymen with murder, rape, and outrageous torture, while you whine about Darfur. 

RJ, you can`t seem to follow the point, while liberally

throwing around strawmen.

The point wasn`t that Saddam wasn`t a menace to anyone, but whether was a threat to the Straits. Those who dealt with him bought OIL, that they shipped through the Straits. Greenspan`s argument that he was a threat to the Straits or to oil markets is nonsense, and the Administration itself didn`t advance that rationale.

We were perfectly capable of continuing to contain Saddam, and others in the region obviously had similar interests in the region, at least as far as protecting the Straits goes - and far more cheaply than this little frolic and detour foisted on us by "nation-building" conservatives-in-name-only like you has cost us.

"leftists remain cavalier about Saddam's widespread terrorizing of his countrymen with murder, rape, and outrageous torture, while you whine about Darfur."

Sorry, but who`s the whining, soft-headed liberal here, and when did we start talking about either Saddam`s domestic behavior or Darfur? I thought we were talking about Greenspan, oil markets and the Straits. What`s the matter, can`t stay focussed? Ridiculous, indeed, to repeat your favorite word whenever you want to attack some point that I haven`t made. You don`t seem to have a clue about what it means to be either logical or conservative, but simply favor wars that Republican Presidents initiate.

BlindSight

"I do not know what is true. ... But in the midst of doubt ... I do not doubt that the faith is true and adorable which leads a soldier to throw away his life in obedience to a blindly accepted duty."
- Oliver Wendel Holmes, Jr.

Haha, BS, you're amusing

"RJ, you can't seem to follow the point....the point wasn`t that Saddam wasn`t a menace to anyone."

You challenge me to follow the point, BS, but you don't seem to be able to follow your own:  "After the first Gulf war, he was no longer a threat to other's oil resources, or to closing the straits",  and, "Yes, he posed a challenge to the Saudi monarchs and their Wahhabist regime." 

With comprehension lapses like that, you're hardly the best guy to challenge Greenspan's evaluation.  You'll have to pardon me if I think that, in addition to his access to information being superior to yours, he's also got more smarts than you.

As for my remark about the left's callous disregard of the value of ousting Saddam, you were the one who sarcastically brought it up.   What, you make the rules, and I'm not allowed to comment on something you say?  You're funny.

And, I don't think I called you "soft-headed", but if you want to believe I think that about you, who am I to disagree?   ;^>

RJ - Hmm, distinctions are just so hard to make, so why bother?

So the only defense you`re willing to make of Greenspan`s claim that Saddam was such a threat to world oil markets that he had to be removed is ... Greenspan said it, so it must be true? Has he made any kind of objectively supportable case that oil supplies increased, and prices fell, as a result of our removal of Saddam? Or that the benfits to the US of our action has more than justified the costs?

And as for distinctions, why is it so hard to see that while Saddam`s bottled up regime was NOT a threat to other countries' oil resources or to closing the straits, the fact that his regime was secular meant it still posed an ideological threat to the Islamic Saudi and Iranian regimes (have you forgotten that THAT is why we initially supported Saddam, of course)?

Yes, I sarcastically indicated that putting a stop to Saddam's secular regime has not been demonstrably such a winning strategy, either for our security, for keeping oil prices down or for promoting liberty. This is NOT the same as bringing up "the left's callous disregard of the value of ousting Saddam", as you put it.

You chose not to argue with any of my points, but to presume both that I am a "leftist" and that I am "cavalier about Saddam's widespread terrorizing of his countrymen with murder, rape, and outrageous torture". Sorry, your assumptions are offensive and unsupported.

Nor were your assumptions an argument - did you mean by your quip that I was supposed to assume that you intended to argue that the suffering that Saddam inflicted on his own people justified our removal of Saddam and all that has followed (now THAT sounds like a really liberal argument to me)?

We can talk about that if you want, but it is rather far afield from the point I was trying to make about oil markets and Greenspan.

Sorry I threw in the soft-headed remark, but frankly, I was just getting tired of your continued use of "ridiculous", while avoiding my points and throwing out unjustified assumptions.

20/20 BlindSight

"I do not know what is true. ... But in the midst of doubt ... I do not doubt that the faith is true and adorable which leads a soldier to throw away his life in obedience to a blindly accepted duty."
- Oliver Wendel Holmes, Jr.

Saddam's secular regime

" Thank goodness we put a stop to Saddam's secular regime "

Yes Shiite's everywhere should be happy.

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