Obama Preaches Politics from the Pulpit, CNN Unconcerned

Photo of Matthew Sheffield.

As scared as secular liberals are of the nefarious "religious right," you never hear them complain when Democrats use religion to increase their vote count. The latest example (h/t: Brian Flaherty) of this comes from CNN which reported on a Sunday Barack Obama speech without even a peep of criticism that the senator might be mixing politics and religion too much:

Speaking to Sunday church congregants in New Orleans, Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama invoked Jesus' Sermon on the Mount days before the second anniversary of Hurricane Katrina.

"Getting ready to talk to you today, I recall what Jesus said at the end of the Sermon on the Mount," Obama said at New Orleans' First Emmanuel Baptist Church. "He said, whoever hears these sayings of mine and does them, I will liken him to a wise man who built his house on a rock."

"The rains descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house. But it did not fall, because it was founded on the rock," he continued.

That rock, he said, was a principal of brotherhood exemplified by the church during Hurricane Katrina — but not the federal government.

"Something was wrong in America. Our foundation wasn't built on the rock," he said.

Obama blasted local, state and federal response to the storm, and touched upon ingredients necessary for the city's rebuilding, namely more employment opportunities for residents to rebuild, community-based law enforcement to tackle the city's crime epidemic, and improved health care.


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Any mention?

Any mention of building the city above sea level? I ask merely for information ...

church and state

I'm a pastor. Among my jobs is "guarding the pulpit." (Did I forget to say "conservative, Bible-believing, pastor who is also a patriot? - See http://www.coffeewit...). If Fred Thompson, Rudy Guiliani - or any Repuiblican candidate ever "preached" in our congregation (which is very, very unlikely) I would expect the congregation to be swelled with the many "concerned citizens" there to tape the message and turn it in to the IRS, DOJ, and other alphabetically-important organizations. I also expect they wouldn't have to go very far to turn them in, because representatives of the above-named organizations would probably be lying in wait with the handcuffs.

 

Curt

so true that libs get a

so true that libs get a total MSM/DNC pass on church and state...

This is a great conservative message tho, Obama! Don't rely on the gov - rely on God:)

Our nation is built upon the rock - of Jesus. That's why there was so much support for NO - from the people and the churches...

Not only that, but they get

Not only that, but they get a pass on rewriting scripture to suit their own ends.


But Obama said the Rock was "a principal (sic) of brotherhood exemplified by the
church during Hurricane Katrina — but not the federal government"

By "Rock", Jesus did NOT mean a "principle of brotherhood." He meant a house built on God Himself, His laws and His Word.

Sorry, TM, our nation was built on laws, not on Jesus, although our Christian roots had a lot to do with the laws the founders wrote. The PEOPLE of the nation, individually and in church and civic groups, because of their religious roots and Christian upbringing, opened their hearts and their wallets for the people of New Orleans.

 

REV. Obama

Curt:

I agree.  I would expect the same to happen at my church if a political figure came to speak.  Why is it only liberals have nothing to fear when they mix politics and religion?

The ignorance of the MSM is at work.  Obama's church, the UCC, is a BIG supporter of government involvment.  They are one of the first to cry "injustice" at a perceived government wrong.  They are almost in line with the ACLU.

Where are the Republicans and GOP operatives to ask about the double standard?  Too afraid to offend.  Those bigot and racist labels always loom over their heads when they consider confronting reality.

“Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them.”  Ronald Reagan 

Hiding behind race, again

It seems to me that over the years when a lib speaks in a church, it's nearly always a black church.  So not only is there a double standard, there's also the libs' tendency to use blacks to shield their misbehavior.  If Obama were criticized by the MSM, charges of racism would likely fly.

When you put the clowns in charge, don't be surprised when a circus breaks out.

Why is it that ANY

Why is it that ANY Democrat can speak in churches but when a Republican does
it the media blasts them and want to take away the church's tax status crying
'separation of church and state'?

My guess it is the same reason they blast Republicans whenever they mention
their religious belief and praise ANY Democrat who mentions theirs.

"Why is it that ANY Democrat

"Why is it that ANY Democrat can speak in churches but when a Republican does it the media blasts them and want to take away the church's tax status crying "separation of church and state'?"

You must be new to the USA.

Maybe

Dems get away with it because GOPers aren't activist enough to write a letter to the IRS and complain about left-wing political activity in the church.

Here is the address:

IRS-EO Classification
MC 4910 DAL
1100 Commerce St.
Dallas, TX 75242-1198

This is absolutely

This is absolutely hallarious Obama speaking about building houses on rock.  I know he was speaking about the big bad evil Bush government but he was speaking in subsidnce central New Orleans.  Some politician should get some good mileage out of this.

Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.

}}---> Built on rock

Headline should read:

Obama Asks New Orleans Rebuild Abandoned

~LYDSEXICS UNTIE!~

Woe to you hypocrites!

My local PBS affiliate took a "man on the street" poll asking what issue people thought was the most important during the upcoming election year.

The only respondent they aired was a guy who said "church and state issues."

I highly doubt the veracity of this response.  If it was a legitimate answer, it certainly couldn't have been the most frequent.

I suspect this is all part of the Liberal demagoguery used to besmirch the so-called 'religious right' - as is the media silence when the Left uses religion to make political hay...

Obama blasted local, state

Obama blasted local, state and federal response to the storm, and touched upon ingredients necessary for the city's rebuilding, namely more employment opportunities for residents to rebuild, community-based law enforcement to tackle the city's crime epidemic, and improved health care.

   What they really need down there is dirt.  Lots and lots of dirt.  New Orleans is a hole in the ground.  ...and it's still sinking lower.

  If no city existed there would anybody think it would be a good place to build one?  Why not build a sea wall near downtown Chicago into Lake Michigan and put people down in that hole? 

Obama's no theologian

Obama just showed that he is using religion to advance himself. The "rock" that the parable speaks of is not the "principle of brotherhood exemplified by the church", it is Jesus Christ. The Scripture is saying that if you build your life on Christ, you won't be buffeted by the waves of life and can overcome those problems. Obama twists this Scripture to meet his political need. Shameful... Dutch

The Rock

Dutch:

Can you think of anyone in the MSM that has enough of a Christian bible background to know that?  I can't.  I know Kelly Wright at FNC comes from a Christian background but don't know of others.

Again, the ignorance of the MSM plays to the benefit of the Dems.

But then again who wants to end up assaulted like Jan Mikelson at WHO radio for daring to question the practices of the LDS church then comparing those to Romney's beliefs.  Romney pretty much told him if you ain't a member of the church keep your mouth shut, you don't know what you're talking about.  I took that to mean it didn't matter what Jan knew or thought he knew about the LDS church he didn't have any authority to ask questions.

“Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them.”  Ronald Reagan 

Yea, the media is TOTALLY imbalanced - for conservative

religious leaders. A recent study showed that:

"• Combining newspapers and television, conservative religious leaders were quoted, mentioned, or interviewed in news stories 2.8 times as often as were progressive religious leaders.

• On television news -- the three major television networks, the three major cable new channels, and PBS -- conservative religious leaders were quoted, mentioned, or interviewed almost 3.8 times as often as progressive leaders.

• In major newspapers, conservative religious leaders were quoted, mentioned, or interviewed 2.7 times as often as progressive leaders."

Are you REALLY sure that you want balance from the MSM on religion, since that might mean a lot lest coverage of conservative religious leaders?

It seems to me perfectly fine for politicians to talk about religion, as long as they`re not trying to establish a particular one as the national creed and as long as they don`t exclude all of those with different faiths.

"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool."
Richard Feynman

What were the subjects, TokyoTommy?

Please cite the focus of the stories that "mentioned, quoted or interviewed" the conservative religious leaders.   Were they positive or negative toward conservatives and their religion?  If you can't identify that, your figures are pointless.

BTW, using the George Soros funded Media Matters as source material usually gets a very healthy horselaugh.

Stop it RJ!

How dare you bother him to point out facts!

Everyone who's anyone knows that 5 stories saying what a schmuck Pat Robertson is are better publicity for him than 1 story saying Al Sharpton is a compassionate, wonderful man.

MS-- the guys quoting as

MS-- the guy's referencing as a source the George Soros blackbag operation Media Matters.

On Newsbusters. Go ruminate!

Spending even three seconds over this Tokyo is way too long.

Check out my latest YouTube...but only if you support the troops and their mission: Better Men Than Me/The Battle For Fallujah

By all means, feel free to stop wasting your time.

You, on the other hand, are ALWAYS worth a response.  It's fun.

"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool."
Richard Feynman

Tokyo Tom.... A cartoon

Tokyo Tom....

A cartoon character eh?

Hi Matt. Thanks for the response, even if indirect.

Not sure what I said here to deserve your scorn, though.

That aside, of course MM (and that insidious George Soros!) has a different angle, and you have a predictible view to their angle.  But they specifically address the question of favorable vs. unfavorable mentions: "Coverage of religion not only overrepresents some voices and underrepresents others, it does so in a way that is consistently advantageous to conservatives."  If you REALLY disagree on their facts and have another study that counters their conclusion, why don't you put it up?  It would be relevant and I'd honestly love to see it. 

BTW, Nick Gillespie at Reasononline happened to mention this study last May, http://www.reason.com/blog/printer/120436.html:

"after a quick read of the study, it doesn't seem to control for the size of the various groups or audiences delivered by various preacher men. So if the Family Research Council's unfortunately named Tony Perkins has a bigger mailing list, he's more likely to get quoted than Sojourners' Jim Wallis (that both are basically tools for reasons that have nothing to do with God is arguably a more interesting question than how often they befoul the mediascape).

"Read the whole report, which has lots of fun charts--and works overtime to explain why Revs. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton (both of whom had far more citations than anybody else mentioned in the study) don't really count as religious figures--here."

I don't have a particular axe to grind here, but I do find your post somewhat ironic, given the use that "conservatives" have made of religion in politics over the past decade.  I suppose you would agree with my view that Sharpton is a self-seeking blowhard, but like anyone else, am happy to cherrypick and say that I am impressed by Pat Robertson's public "conversion" (ass he put it) on climate change:  

"We really need to address the burning of fossil fuels," he said. "It is getting hotter, and the icecaps are melting and there is a buildup of carbon dioxide in the air." "If we are contributing to the destruction of this planet, we need to do something about it".  http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=51379

Allow me to use this opportunity to make a few other points:

- you say that "As scared as secular liberals are of the nefarious "religious right," you never hear them complain when Democrats use religion to increase their vote count" - and link to a CNN news report.  Have you established somewhere that CNN (or the press in general) is an official or unofficial mouthpiece of secular liberals, rather than a news organization? And since we're theyre, just who owns and controls the MSM anyway?

- My gut reaction is that your conclusion is wrong, and that secular liberals are not happy about the use of religion for political purposes, even by Democrats.  I am sure some are complaining, somewhere.  Isn't that what libs do?  But rather than talking only about the consistency of those secular liberals, do you care to clarify your own view?  Are you suggesting that what is sauce for the Republican party should NOT be sauce for the Dems? Is that what this is about, protecting voting turf?

- If you really are serious about imbalance though, I am curious if besides a simple complaint you have any positive suggestions for the media going forward:  should they equally criticize any politician who tries to use religion for a political purpose, or equally ignore all those cases?  And show there be some federal watchdog set up to police this even-handedness?

- Finally, since someone brought up the finding of MM, a fact that you indicate should not be ignored (I would agree) - isn't it fair also to question the funding of Newbusters?  I mean, just who's paying you guys to push the angles that YOU do?

Sincerely,

Tom

"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool."
Richard Feynman

"Thanks for the response"...haha, TokyoTommy, you really ARE

an egoist...    ;^>

"If you really disagree on their facts and have another study that challenges their conclusion..."

No one "disagreed on their facts."  You were challenged on your premise.  Although you pretended Matt was addressing and challenging you, he was actually agreeing with my challenge that "mentions", in and of themselves don't constitute bias, as you contend. 

In any event, since you are the one who put up the MM link and story, it's up to you to back up your contention.  Is it possible that you really don't understand that?

BTW, linking to Gillespie provided you with yet another chance to increase the length of your post (are you paid by the word?  are you under the impression that length equals strength of argument?), but it has little relation to the specifics of the challenges directed at the conclusion you drew from the MM story. 

Speaking of Media Matters, your comment, "that insideous George Soros" indicates you have little knowledge of his agenda.  Do yourself a favor and learn about him and his stated goals, instead of embarassing yourself with cutsy, knee-jerk bon mots.  You'll find that Soros is, yes, insideous, as is his agressive agenda.  If you were more familiar with either, you'd understand that any comparison to NewsBusters is specious.

are you under the

are you under the impression that length equals strength of argument?

Clearly, RJ.

Check out my latest YouTube...but only if you support the troops and their mission: Better Men Than Me/The Battle For Fallujah

Dear Troll, if you want a response you'll have to act like it.

In the meanwhile, please stop adding misspellings when you quote me.  If you don't like my spelling, the customary practice is to add "[sic]" within the quote.  I'll take responsibility for my misspellings, but yours are your own.

Sincerely,

TT

"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool."

My goodness, TokyoTommy

are you adding Spelling, Typo, And Grammar Nazi to your list of responsibilities as self-styled Custodian Of All That Is Right And Wrong With NewsBusters?   Bravo! A fine addition for an egoist!

Believe it or not, I don't base a successful post on whether or not you've responded.  Your "responses" don't mean much, anyway, because you invariably ignore salient points to pout over some side issue.   Challenging your pronouncements and pricking your pompous baloon (er, I mean balloon...whew, that was close...it would have certainly earned a reprimand), is enough, thanks.

And that's "Mister Troll" to you.   ;^>

 

Tom's arith-o-matic:)

...right, the conservatives get slammed - the progressives get promoted - and just look - more conservatives religous people are slammed in the MSM that progressives!

Thanks for those numbers, Tom - unless you can find JUST ONE POSITIVE MSM ARTICLE ON A RELIGIOUS CONSERVATIVE?!

Indulge me please:)

Take a look at the piece, the link is above

Do you really think that every time (or even most times) the MSM quotes or mentions conservative religious leaders, they immediately slam them in the same "news" item?  To do so would be too apparent, and would undermine any pretense that they are reporting news - and besides, if this were the case, then Newsbusters would have an easy demonstrated, shut-and-closed case.  The fact that they don't make what would be their strongest argument shows that it's not true

There might be secular/lib bloggers that try to slam every mention of a conservative religious leader, but their NOT the MSM and couldn't possibly keep up with all of the mentions anyway.

TT

"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool."

Nonsense, TokyoTommy

Your original premise was that because Media Matters claims that conservative religious leaders are "mentioned" more than liberal religious leaders, it proves a bias toward conservatives.   Because you can't show how many times the "mentions" are for positive or negative stories, the numbers are pointless and your assumption has no value....

Where get info!!

Where did you get your info?  Pat Buchanan does not qualify!! 

Thanks for the question. I provided a link upthread n/t

"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool."

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Your post is completely

Your post is completely irrelevant to this story. What we are talking about is a crummy politician manipulating religious leaders and likewise religious leaders overstepping the boundaries of church and state (of which liberals are always crying about) and manipulating their congregations. This church's tax free status should be revoked on the spot. Let me be very clear, politicians speaking this way in a religious atmosphere is coersion, plain and simple. Whether they be conservative or liberal, christian, jew or muslim.

So let's outlaw politicians trying to get votes.

Steve, what Obama is doing is as American as apple pie. 

You raise a good point about tax-free status.  I'm no expert, but perhaps we ought to consider lifting it all around - it's too entangling since it forces the IRS and Congress to pick and choose as to what are "real" religions that deserve tax-free status, as well as what speech inside a church is going to be prohibited. 

As far as I'm concerned, attempts to police tax-free status is a fundamental violation of our Constitutional rights of freedom of association, free speech and the anti-establishment clause. 

Note that if we had no income tax, tax-free status simply wouldn't matter.  This is one of those cases where a little government keeps spiralling out of control, and instead of fighting to contain government, people fight to control what others say (or shamelessly pandering politicians say) within each other's church assemblies.

So I'm sorry, but I think you've got the cart before the horse, and government should get out of the religion business altogether.

And clearly Obama talking to a church group that invited him is not coercion.

TT

"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool."
Richard Feynman

Obama - Scaring me more and

Obama - Scaring me more and more everyday.

Agreed

Oftentimes, these left-wing ministers will invite a political candidate to speak at the church and then go off on a tear against the Republican opponent so that the sheeple in the congregation will know for certain which way is the "correct" way to vote.

I've never seen a conservative church do this type of thing.

Political Churches

That's because in a so-called 'conservative' church, the emphasis is on God and not on a particular party. Of course, as the democRATic party speeds over the cliff, the choice between the two is obvious.

Now, what baffles me is, given what liberals stand for, how do they get away with it? Which Bible are they reading? Or, is it that they're simply fixated on the drum-beat of perceived racism?

Neither

I'd say it's a combination of a few things:

  1. The socialist/liberal movement, especially in this country, has its roots in religious traditions. All of the earliest socialists here were motivated by religion to believe that way.
  2. Since liberals in general are less religious than conservatives, some left-wing religionists think that if they can make their sermons "relevant" i.e. more liberal, that will at least keep a few seats in the pews.
  3. Few people are theologically liberal and politically conservative. That's changing over time but most of the old theological liberals are down-the-line Democrats.

Good points

However, can you expand on number three?

I'd say the Dems were much

I'd say the Dems were much more successful a few decades ago when they were Christian:)...coincidence? I don't think so...

I'll try

Back in the day, people who were theologically conservative had some rather strange positions: People of African descent were children of Cain, God hates gay people, etc. I think this drove people who were theologically liberal into the political left.

Nowadays, theological conservatives are more tolerant of those who agree with their political beliefs even if they don't buy into their religious ones. Both the theo- and ecocons are starting to realize also that you comprimise has to be reached if you want any kind of progress.

I think this can be seen in the area of abortion where the pro-life movement has gone for a lower-key approach in recent years. It's paid off, both in public opinion and in the legal system.

Unicorns and theological liberals

I would argue that the term theological liberal is largely a mythical creature like a centrist or moderate. There's just too much in the Bible, it seems to me, that liberals simply will not acknowledge or heed to. So, the term seems to me an oxymoron of sorts.

Additionally, I think that you set a dangerous precedence when you start making comprimises to gain a political advantage or even more so, to fill the pews. What's to be gained when your principles are watered-down by those that seek your compromise?

My Little Pony

Hmmm... this gives new insight into the prevalence of My Little Pony cartoons and lunchboxes recently.

<insert witty signature here>

Accessories not included.

Accessories not included.

I don't think Matthew

I don't think Matthew Sheffield meant it this way, but Atheists, agnostics and christian sects like the Unitarian Universalists tend to be liberal, but lately there have been more and more conservative/rightist Atheists and seculars, and right-leaning Atheists and Agnostics have been more visible, such Karl Rove (agnostic) and my favorite blogger, Allahpundit (atheist), there are more I'm sure (By the way, I didn't include Hitchens because he is a Liberal even though he does support the Wot.

 Just a little bit of an off topic question.. I have heard that some Unitarian Universalists are basically atheists in a church structure, and have considered joining because of the whole community thing, but two things worry me: 1. Very liberal sect  2. I don't know the first thing about how a church.. works(?). Anyone have any advice?

Conservative talks about

Conservative talks about religion = Right wing evangelical nut

Liberal talks about religion = Compassionate human being

Again it is another way the media can’t get it right.

If one of the Republican candidates had done such, well he would be playing religion to further his campaign.  

 

The only thing you should feel when shooting insurgents is the rifle recoil.

 

an imam is a conservative

an imam is a conservative religious fiure .. and i'm sure those were counted, too ..

 never look a gift skunk in the tail ..