CBS Touts Dissenting Catholics' Agenda in Favor of Married Priesthood
[Update, 4:10 pm Tuesday: Father Grandon wrote NewsBusters to clarify his statement during the segment: "I was very clear during the interview that we convert priests have no interest in agitating for married clergy generally and that, in fact, the Catholic Church has always had married priests in her Eastern Churches, but alas, those comments were edited out. My comment...in no way proposed that change....Yes, much was left unsaid and unexplained, but do please note that I am not on the side of the liberals! In the end, we were happy that the editing was not as malicious as it could have been."]
On Monday's CBS This Morning, correspondent Michelle Miller highlighted one of the 77 married Catholic priests in the U.S. who converted from the Episcopal Church in recent years and boosted a favorite pet cause of left-leaning dissenting Catholics: ordaining married men. Miller trumpeted that Father Doug Grandon's example "begs the question: should all Catholic priests have the option to marry?"
Father Grandon stated that "the most we could say is that having a married priest...allows them to look and see how it would work if they wanted to change it." The morning show's religious and faith contributor, Father Edward Beck, also acknowledged that the several dozen former Episcopalian clerics are "bringing a whole liberal notion with them," but also noted one of the main reasons for Catholic clerical celibacy - that parish priests can devote all 24 hours of each day to their ministry.
The media's common ignorance of Christianity- and Catholicism specifically- was apparent from the beginning of Miller's report, which aired at the bottom of the 8 am Eastern hour. The CBS journalist admitted in her introduction that the concept of married Catholic priests "certainly surprised me. A number of priests are living lives that are not very different from the family men in their own parishes."
If the correspondent needed to find a married Catholic priest, instead of going all the way to Denver to where Father Grandon lives, she could have looked no further than the many Eastern Rite parishes in the New York City metro area. Eastern Catholics, which number in the hundreds of thousands in the U.S. (out of a total Catholic population of about 77 million), have a long tradition of married priests. The journalist omitted any mention of this different, but fully Catholic faith tradition during her report.
Later in her report, Miller gave a misleading impression of the 77 converts who became Catholic priests as she outlined Father Grandon's journey into the Church:
MILLER (voice-over) Married for thirty years, Doug has fathered six children, and enjoyed a successful career as an Episcopal pastor in the Protestant church. But in 2003, he realized his calling was with the Catholic Church.
GRANDON The Catholic Church is the fullest expression of what Jesus meant Christianity to be, and I wanted to be a part of that.
MILLER: Pope John Paul II issued a little known edict that said Protestant priests wishing to become Catholic should not break their marriage vows. It took five years of schooling, and a blessing from Pope Benedict, to make Father Doug one of 77 priests in the U.S. who have converted allegiance to the Vatican.
Actually, the "edict" was only extended to married Episcopalian ministers who converted, not to Protestants in general. After asking Father Grandon's wife about her initial reaction to his intent to convert, Miller added that "in giving up his Protestant ministry, Father Doug took a considerable pay cut. The Catholic Church hasn't quite figured out how much to pay a priest with a family. It's a good thing Lynn runs the Denver Diocese Respect Life office. She's the breadwinner now."
Besides obviously casting aspersions on the Catholic Church (not to mention the long experience of Eastern Catholicism with married priests), Miller failed to explain that a diocese's Respect Life office handles a bishop's pro-life ministries, which includes reaching out to women in difficult pregnancies, and counseling post-abortive women.
Near the end oft he report, the CBS correspondent gave her boost to the dissenting Catholics' agenda: "Father Doug says his marriage in the Church gives him a unique perspective....Which begs the question: should all Catholic priests have the option to marry?" Instead of finding a priest who seems open to changing the centuries-old discipline of priestly celibacy in the Latin rite, Miller could have turned to another convert from the Episcopal Church, Father Dwight Longenecker, who took down many of the dissenters' common arguments in favor of the married priesthood in a 2009 blog entry.
Co-anchors Erica Hill and Gayle King then brought in Father Beck and asked slanted questions about the priesthood debate. King even began by cheering on the convert priest:
KING (live): ...I have to say, I love this story; I love this story- go Father Doug. And I'm wondering for you, Father Beck, does it bother you that Father Doug can get married and you cannot?...
BECK: At a time in my life, but I think I chose a path that precludes it. And so, no, not at this stage in my life....But I think what's interesting is you have these gentlemen coming from other traditions- like the Episcopalian Church mostly- and they're leaving because they think their traditions are too liberal. Usually, it's about women priests, gay marriage- they don't agree with it. So they want to come to the Catholic Church, but they come with their wives and kids- really putting into question this whole traditional notion of celibacy in the Catholic Church. So I think it's ironic that they're coming to be more conservative- yet, they're bringing a whole liberal notion with them....
HILL: You've also said to us, though, before on this program- you've said to us, part of the beauty, in some ways, of taking this vow of celibacy is that you're not distracted by those other things. Does it go both ways here? Is it sort of whatever works?...
KING: You said single-minded, single-focused. Does it lead- and not being disrespectful or impolite- does it lead to a lot of frustration? It just seems so unnatural, to me, for so many people.
BECK: ...It is hard. There's no doubt about that. But I think you get something else. I become members of families in my parishes. I become intimately involved with people. And I think a wife and kids would resent the involvement that I have and the commitment to it if they were part of my life. Now, some guys can just do it on the weekend. It's a weekend job for them. But Catholics aren't used to that. Catholics are used to 24 hours- you're there. And you know, right now, we can.
While King's final question is understandable coming from a non-Catholic, one can imagine that two homosexuals in a same-sex "marriage" would never have a similar question asked of them by a major media journalist.
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The Communist Broadcasting System has SOME balls!
Submitted by almostacowboy on Mon, 03/12/2012 - 6:47pm.
Big, giant, two-ton BRASS BALLS!
Too bad they don't have an ounce of decency.
Priests are already allowed to marry*
Submitted by cajun2 on Mon, 03/12/2012 - 6:44pm.
They are called Episcopalians.
Don't like the show, change the channel to quote a lib.../sarc
You know, cajun, I think it's
Submitted by motherbelt on Mon, 03/12/2012 - 8:10pm.
You know, cajun, I think it's interesting that they never do an show about married Protestant ministers (or Episcopal priests) and explore the conflicts that their calling has with their family life.
Here's one interesting look at it.
....93 percent of all pastors believe there is extra pressure being married to a minister (including 54 percent who strongly believe this); 91 percent feel there is extra pressure being the child of a minister (including 46 percent who strongly hold this belief); and 88 percent believe churchgoers often expect pastors’ families to be “better than” other people’s families......
Six out of 10 ministers say their role as a pastor leaves them with insufficient time for their families. Only 18 percent say the amount of time they get to spend with their spouse is at extremely healthy levels while 10 percent said the same about the amount of time they get to spend with their children.
The media seem to have no interest at all in exploring this.
Correct motherbelt*
Submitted by cajun2 on Mon, 03/12/2012 - 8:23pm.
There is great pressure put on the children of Ministers to be "perfect" is accurate. Many of these kids had difficulty during their teenage years with the added burden. We know what fun it is just being a teenager right? Many of these young people rejected everything about their upbringing because they felt "second choice", neglected by their parents who put others and the church before them.
To make a full committment to the Church and role of spiritual leader are reasons why Catholic priests do not marry. If that Priest has a difficult time due to the demands of his role in the Church, at least only one person suffers, him.
My thoughts exactly Caj
Submitted by Radical1979 on Mon, 03/12/2012 - 8:21pm.
No one is being forced to be a Catholic.
Radical, Yeap, exactly. It
Submitted by Liberallies on Tue, 03/13/2012 - 12:14am.
Radical,
Yeap, exactly.
It is all about the entitlement mentality. They believe they are entitled to belong to a Roman Catholic Church that thinks like them. They are unwilling to change for the Church, which if they are Catholics, they are truly changing for God. They want a God, a Catholic Church that changes for them.
I am merely 36 years old and I am so sick and tired of the entitlement mentality of so many Americans.
I am already teaching my 7 and 5 year old boy and girl...you are entitled to nothing on this Earth. Everything you have was given to you by God, not because you deserve it, but because God in hi mighty Mercy and Love chose to create you and give you the gifts you have. Be happy for what you have and not sad for what you don't!
Freedom of association
Submitted by Unsane on Tue, 03/13/2012 - 7:13am.
This is what I hate about stories like this. Simply put, as Rad said above, if you have such huge disagreements with the teachings of the Catholic church, you don't have to go.
That is a fundamental thing the media cannot figure out. In this country you are free (for now) to associate with whoever or whatever you wish.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Uns
Submitted by Radical1979 on Tue, 03/13/2012 - 8:06am.
Its kind of like the boy, who wants to be a girl, into The Girl Scouts. Rather than keeping their integrity the Girl Scouts folded, utterly weakening their organization. I realize I'm comparing two vastly different organizations, but the principle is the same.
Eventually we'll all belong to one grey pointless organization without a purpose to which all are admitted. And yes, it will be government run and sanctioned, called something like the Obama's People Organization For The Aggrandizement of The One.
War on civil society
Submitted by Unsane on Tue, 03/13/2012 - 10:18pm.
It is truly a war on civil society, which is something the Left cannot abide having if it is to be in complete control of everyone's lives.
A grey, pointless organization, government run and sanctioned...say, like the Communist Party of the Soviet Union?
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Ms. Miller, the Catholic
Submitted by motherbelt on Mon, 03/12/2012 - 8:17pm.
Ms. Miller, the Catholic Church doesn't care that you're asking the question and bringing on people who agree with you.
But you go ahead and enjoy your little intellectual exercise.
Because that's all it will ever be.
Leftists' War Against Religion
Submitted by HardRightTurn on Mon, 03/12/2012 - 8:16pm.
As if it were any of their business. Secularists should just shut up about matters that do not concern them. Get a life of your own, and then live it. Leave the rest of us alone.
To more fully comprehend the Left, one must read “Leftism As Psychopathy” by John Ray, M.A., Ph.D. Caution, it might scare you a little bit.
http://jonjayray.tripod.com/psycho.html
Lets have a show about Islam
Submitted by Radical1979 on Mon, 03/12/2012 - 8:23pm.
How many people think women shouldn't have to wear bruka's? Let's talk about how they shouldn't fast during the day during the month of Ramadam. Let's talk about if teens should be stoned to death because of their haircuts.
No?
Imams and Women.... And the
Submitted by Liberallies on Mon, 03/12/2012 - 8:34pm.
Imams and Women....
And the media will do a story on Muslim women not allowed to become imams in 3....2....1...
When was the last time that the American media did this story?
Ridiculous...if you don't like the Roman Catholic Church's teachings, dogmas, etc. either be humble and obey Her if you want to stay a Catholic or simply, move on. There are countless upon countless of Christian sects that will allow you to get marry.
⇒ Liberallies
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Mon, 03/12/2012 - 9:40pm.
Maybe there are Catholics who believe sins should not be invented.
I've wrestled with enough real sins without having them invented for me.
Then they should leave the Church
Submitted by Quasi-socialist on Mon, 03/12/2012 - 11:57pm.
The Catholic Church rests on the doctrine of Apostolic Succession. I' don't buy it, but that's why I'm an ex-Catholic non-denom. But the theological argument of the RCC is Apostolic Succession. They don't operate out of personal inspiration and enlightenment. If you think the Church needs to do X then it's your job to convince the Church hierarchy that it's a good idea.
I find that the Catholic church's policy of celibacy follows Paul's advice to not marry and devote yourself wholly to God as he did. It's not "sin" to marry, but to a priest it is disobedience to this established principle of what is considered wisdom. All things are permissible, but not all things are equally profitable, as Paul says.
Quasi-Socialist, Cool Arrow
Submitted by Liberallies on Tue, 03/13/2012 - 12:09am.
Quasi-Socialist,
Cool Arrow is a good man with very strong beliefs on God, religion, the Church, Bible, etc.
Although I 100% disagree with him when it comes to the RCC and in the past have not enjoyed or liked his attacks on the RCC, I have come to rescpect his opinion. Nothing he has said against the Church has ever persuaded me to think that the Church is wrong in Her Dogmas, Tenants or Teachings, but I respect the fact that his life has been different than mine and unless I walk in his shoes, I am no one to judge him.
this is not about Cool Arrow's believes on the Church, mine or yours. This is about the media, once again, telling the Church how to run Her business.
Honestely, and forgive my language, who the @$%@#$@# is the media to tell the Church how to run her business?
Thank you LiberalLies
Submitted by Radical1979 on Tue, 03/13/2012 - 8:21pm.
I, for one, appreciate you not getting into dogma with CA, although he would like to. It seems that would be a place more appropriate for the forums.
CA, yes, we know you feel strongly about the Catholic church. That is your right and like LL I respect your beliefs. If possible could you move such a discussion to a forum? We've got 7Stupids here now and he would like this far to much.
If not, well, have a good night to you both.
Yes thank you LL*
Submitted by cajun2 on Tue, 03/13/2012 - 8:30pm.
Thank you for being the "good Catholic"...;-)
Radical and Cajun, I am
Submitted by Liberallies on Tue, 03/13/2012 - 11:37pm.
Radical and Cajun,
I am trying. Easier said than done. I am human and my nature is to debate, argue, etc. until the ends of time!
But as a wise man told me recently, "Liberallies, you may win the argument, but you certainly lost the soul."
Prayer, fasting, leading by example. This is what will win souls over to Christ, not countless of debates, put downs, pride and acting like a magnificant jerk while proclaiming to everyone that I am a Roman Catholic.
Cool Arrow, My point is, if
Submitted by Liberallies on Tue, 03/13/2012 - 12:04am.
Cool Arrow,
My point is, if you don't like the teachings, tenants, dogmas of the Church, as you did, move on.
I know the Church hasn't invented any sins. You believe the opposite. What did you do? you moved on. Personally, I think you shouldn't have, but that is between you and God.
If you aren't willing to change for the Roman Catholic Church, either start your own Christian sect or move to one that already exists.
and this is about the media attempting to once again tell the RCC how to run Her business. Again, when will the media tell Islam how to run its radical business? When will the media demand that women be allowed to be imams?
Not here to debate what you personally believe is an invented sin.
⇒ Invented sins
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Tue, 03/13/2012 - 7:46pm.
Masturbation and oral sex are sins, for example? Even within a consensual married couple?
Examples of intrinsically disordered sexual acts include: masturbation, homosexual acts, any sexual acts with more than two participants, oral sex, anal sex, manual sex, sexual acts involving objects or devices, etc. These sexual acts can never be justified regardless of circumstances, intention, or purpose.
No meat on Fridays? How many people are burning in Hell because they broke that invented sin?
Failure to attend Mass on Sundays and Holy Days of Obligation? Did God say that?
Yes, the RCC has indeed invented lots of sins.
Cool Arrow, Thank you for
Submitted by Liberallies on Tue, 03/13/2012 - 11:32pm.
Cool Arrow,
Thank you for your personal opinion.
1) The website you linked us to, catholic planet, is WRONG on so many levels.
2) If you want to discuss REAL Roman Catholic teachings on sexuality, read John Paul II's Theology of the Body. http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss/187-3692126-2790541?url=search-al...
3) I also suggest Humane Vitae, http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/paul_vi/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-vi_...
two great sources of the teachings of the Church when it comes to human sexuality. Hopefully you'll find them interesting and if nothing else, informative on Catholic teaching and thinking.
I always go to first sources, never to someone giving an opinion of what he or she thinks the Church teaches. The person behind catholic planet is wrong, very wrong, incredibly wrong and the page you linked me to is full of errors and as illogical as it can be.
4) More than glad to discuss RCC teachings, but as it was suggest by Radical, why don't you create a forum where we can respectfully exchange our thoughts?
5) This forum is not about RCC teachings, but rather the media telling the Roman Catholic Church how to run Her business.
this is not about invented sins, but about the media.
I know you have a beef against the Church, strangely, while I 100% disagree with you when it comes to the RCC, I have come to respect the fact that you are entitled to your opinion and strong personal held beliefs. I have also realized fact that if I were to live your life, I would likely think like you.
You are a good man Cool Arrow and I promise you, I love you my brother in Christ, Our Lord and Saviour, with all of my heart and soul. The day we meet in Heaven will be a great day and we'll have a good old laugh over our exchanges on NB. Have a blessed and wonderful night.
Let the two-minute hate begin
Submitted by Quasi-socialist on Mon, 03/12/2012 - 11:43pm.
It's so cathartic.
Failure to discuss why
Submitted by octavioj on Tue, 03/13/2012 - 8:17am.
Not having watched the segment one thing that seemed clear is that they did not address why the Episcopalians decided they should leave their denomination and become Catholics. What we have seen and heard is that Episcopalians are getting fed up with their denominations' perceived deviations from doctrine, such as gay and women clergy. The numbers are so significant that the pope even thought prudent to create a separate ordinariate to handle these Episcopalians converting to Catholicism. The news also seem to touch upon some of the issues these "married" priests run into, such as financial support. Their conviction is so high that they go against their self financial interest to become Catholics and fully experience their lives with and in the service of God. Why is that aspect not covered in the story?
Complain, writhe, moan
Submitted by chiefpayne on Tue, 03/13/2012 - 10:02am.
But no matter WHAT the "liberal" Catholics want, the POPE decides the direction of the Church.
If they don't LIKE it, they can leave the Church and start their OWN church...it's not like it hasn't been done before.
In the meantime,