Time Bureau Chief to Catholic Church: Just Give Up on Abortion
Time's Tim Padgett regurgitated just about every liberal talking point on abortion in an online column on Thursday which tried to claim that the Catholic Church's pro-life efforts in the U.S. were pointless and out of step with the laity: "Aren't they just wasting our time as well as their own?" Padgett cherry-picked from Church documents and quoted from the infamous pro-abortion front group Catholics for Choice.
The Miami and Latin America bureau chief for the struggling magazine began his article, "Why Radical Pro-Lifers Are Wasting Their Time: Most American Catholics support abortion rights," by all but gloating over the rejection in Mississippi of a proposed personhood amendment: "Now that voters in Mississippi have rejected the so-called personhood agenda — the radical anti-abortion effort to make the moment of conception the legal beginning of human life — the movement says it plans to take its referendum to a number of other states in 2012."
Padgett continued by introducing his argument that most Catholics in the U.S. are apparently pro-"abortion rights," using the liberal bastion of Rhode Island and its large population of self-identifying Catholics as his example:
...[W]hat I’d really like to know is why the Colorado-based Personhood USA isn’t going to Rhode Island. Small though it may be, Rhode Island’s population is 63% Catholic, the highest share of any state. A pro-life plebiscite victory there should be a slam dunk, right?
Wrong. A 2005 poll showed that Rhode Island is also, coincidentally, 63% pro-choice — a near impossibility if its Catholic residents are as doctrinally opposed to abortion rights as the bishops assure us every Catholic must be. And lest you dismiss Rhode Island Catholics as a liberal fringe, a Pew Research Center survey this year found that a majority of all U.S. Catholics, 52%, think abortion should be kept legal.
Of course, like any of the various authors who try to push this contention, the Time writer doesn't break his statistic down into whether these "Catholics" are attend Mass every Sunday or, like many liberals, only attend church on occasion. Also, a 2010 Marist poll found that "66% of Catholics Millenials [18-29 year olds] say abortion is morally wrong," a development that dovetails nicely with the growth of Catholic religious orders that make a point to be faithful to the Church. Unsurprisingly, Padgett doesn't pay any attention to this.
Later in the column, the Time bureau chief touted many of the endlessly repeated talking points of pro-abortion Catholics-in-name-only, all the while misrepresenting Church teaching:
The bishops[']...crusade to demonize abortion rights and any politician who defends them has backfired, because it has forced Catholics to engage the matter all the more deeply. And most Catholics do so not via hierarchical regimentation but via human reason, as our faith tells us to....We embrace our church's protection-of-human-life impulse; but I think most Catholics have rationally concluded that no matter how we feel about abortion personally or spiritually, we cannot in good conscience call abortion in the early stage of pregnancy — when more than 90% of all abortions occur in the U.S. — murder in a legal sense.
That's hardly a new Catholic concept. As far back as the Middle Ages, the sainted theologian Thomas Aquinas recognized that a first-trimester fetus wasn't yet a sentient human being but rather a potential human being — a vegetative organism lacking "ensoulment." It wasn't until the Popes felt their power threatened by the Enlightenment that they started to assert a blanket ban on abortion, co-opting new scientific instruments like the microscope to claim even the youngest fetus as a "homunculus," or miniature human being.
But while the Catholic bishops have to toe the Vatican line, the Catholic laity doesn't. Most of us have long since discarded Rome's primitive homunculus model in favor of more modern and reliable science demonstrating that until a fetus develops a central nervous system and cerebral cortex – after the first trimester – it cannot be regarded as a sentient being let alone a human being....
There is social as well as scientific awareness involved, says Jon O’Brien, president of Catholics For Choice in Washington, D.C. "Catholics tend to side with the underdog...and many of us feel that even if we wouldn’t make that decision [abortion] for ourselves, we don't want to see a woman who does feel she has to make it victimized by not having legal access to it.” He also notes that ever since Rome's senseless refusal in 1968 to condone birth control, most Catholics have resolved to "make our own decisions about the pelvic zone."
...[N]ot even the Catholic hierarchy can definitively agree on when human ensoulment occurs: In its 1974 "Declaration on Procured Abortion from the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith," the Vatican simply said it was best not to “take the risk of killing a human person."...
Where to begin? About a thousand years before St. Thomas Aquinas, the early Christians definitively condemned abortion in a teaching called the Didache. So even if Padgett wants to turn to Aquinas to somehow defend abortion (something that the Angelic Doctor himself didn't do), he can't then honestly argue that "it wasn't until the Popes felt their power threatened by the Enlightenment that they started to assert a blanket ban on abortion."
The writer's claim about "Rome's primitive homunculus model" and the "more modern and reliable science demonstrating that until a fetus develops a central nervous system and cerebral cortex...it cannot be regarded as...a human being" is chock full of spin. If he's going to take the Catholic Church to task for supposedly out of line with "modern and reliable science," then he's going to have to do the same with the Discovery Channel, which recently promoted an hour-long documentary on pregnancy with an online quiz which stated that "the genetic point of view says that life begins exactly when fertilization occurs...Any sooner means these cells still are part of the parents. According to this point of view, after fertilization, the cells already have coordinated their behavior as a unique new organism." So science is on Rome's side after all!
Padgett's citation of the 1974 document is just plain dishonest. None other than the Catechism of the Catholic Church, in paragraph 2270, makes it plainly clear that "human life must be respected and protected absolutely from the moment of conception. From the first moment of his existence, a human being must be recognized as having the rights of a person - among which is the inviolable right of every innocent being to life." This paragraph not only references a 1987 CDF document, but also Scripture itself, the Book of the Prophet Jeremiah.
Just over a year ago, in a July 2010 article for Time, the writer compared Catholic bishops to "white Southern preachers [who] weren't ashamed to degrade African-Americans," labeled the Church "misogynous," and accused the institution of an "increasingly spiteful bigotry" against homosexuals
All in all, what the liberal Time bureau chief is trying to justify in his indefensible pro-abortion view, placing his apparent Catholicism behind his left-leaning political ideology, something that far too many American Catholics also do.
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Thank you Mr Padgett*
Submitted by cajun2 on Thu, 11/17/2011 - 7:10pm.
Thank you for you in depth study of the tenets of the Catholic Church. Please let us know, other than abortion, other issues you would like in massive changes to the Church teachings. We will get on that right away. Though since the Church has been in existence for 2000 years, this may take awhile.
Of course, if the Church does make these massive changes, then we would no longer be the Catholic Church.
Oh, I see....Nevermind.
God gave up on Time long
Submitted by ricklail on Thu, 11/17/2011 - 8:02pm.
God gave up on Time's writers a long ago.
18For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; 19Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. 20For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: 21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. 24Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 25Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. Romans 1: 18-25
28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. Romans 1:28-32
Reprobate mind means a warped conscience.
Rick my friend….
Submitted by Grumpy in Arizona on Thu, 11/17/2011 - 11:02pm.
Don’t despair or get yourself in an uproar… These are little people, spouting little things about things they no little of… They only seek credence for their opinions – the truth is beyond them.
God bless!
- Grump :o)
To late, Rick is in dispair
Submitted by Boudin on Thu, 11/17/2011 - 11:09pm.
His Heels are having a hard time with Va Tech, 17-7
Apostalic Approach
Submitted by BuffNBone on Thu, 11/17/2011 - 7:23pm.
When pressed on issues by "enlightened" powerful or worldly authorities, the apostles said, "They could chose between pleasing an almighty and eternal God or man."
We have the same choice today.
A lot of people believe in adultary..
Submitted by Radical1979 on Thu, 11/17/2011 - 8:57pm.
maybe that shouldn't be a sin anymore either. Maybe we should put the Ten Commandments and all the teachings of the Church up to a vote and only keep the ones we like. I'm sure that's what God had in mind when he gave us the Ten Commandments. Just do the ones that are easy to follow.
Time has a point
Submitted by povertypimpin on Thu, 11/17/2011 - 9:17pm.
They've already moved over to the dark side on illegal immigration, big government and increased taxation. Furthermore there are millions of Catholics who already promote and enable abortions at the voting booth so what's the big deal
Sure, whats the big deal*
Submitted by cajun2 on Thu, 11/17/2011 - 9:25pm.
One dead baby, 50 million dead babies, big deal, next,, lets start killing grannies.
Politics and Religion
Submitted by Henry Clay on Thu, 11/17/2011 - 10:56pm.
You my friend are exactly on point. This is what is wrong with religion today. We have priest and preachers alike getting involved in the political sphere. When I go to church I do not want to hear about current events or political statements. I want to good old fashioned Fire and Brimstone!
The political aspect turns people off. The Catholic Church is notorious for this; and we also see this behavior arising out of the Protestant churches as well. This is why church attendance has continued to fall. People are not getting sick of religion; they are getting sick of the politics in the church.
Define politics*
Submitted by cajun2 on Thu, 11/17/2011 - 11:12pm.
From the pulpit we do occasionally hear how certain political issues are relevant to the beliefs of the Church. IE, abortion. Catholics have accepted long ago that the tenets of the Church and the law of the Land will not always be the same. Catholics obey the law. I have never heard anyone from the pulpit argue to violate this country's laws.
If we are not allowed to voice our disagreement with certain laws or rules then why does OWS exist? Or the TEA Party? The DNC or RNC? The Supreme Court?
TIME has a point
Submitted by michiganruth on Thu, 11/17/2011 - 9:36pm.
I'm sure this won't be a popular comment, but I think the Time article makes some good points.
you may not like to hear it, but it is TRUE that most Americans think abortion should be allowed under some circumstances--whether "on demand" or only in the case of rape or incest. and I believe that the Catholic Church's stance on birth control has hurt it deeply among American Catholics--well, heck it's not a "belief" of mine it's a well-documented fact.
this is a country of largely secular Christians. there's a small slice on the left that thinks there should be no limits, and another slice on the right that thinks abortion should be completely criminalized. almost everyone else is ok with it to some extent.
you are not going to be able to put the abortion genie back in the bottle. absolutely you should counsel women not to take that path, but you cannot legislate that decision on their behalf.
Why does everyone who isn't a Catholic
Submitted by Radical1979 on Thu, 11/17/2011 - 9:39pm.
feel they should have an opinion on how the teachings of the Catholic Church? I don't go tell Jews, Baptists, or other religions how to run their religions. Islam yes, because they want to make their religious laws into the laws of the land.
nice try
Submitted by michiganruth on Thu, 11/17/2011 - 10:29pm.
now that you ask, I AM a Catholic. so! but that's really not the issue.
the idea that you have to belong to a particular group of people to express an opinion about that group is just, well, absurd. hey--I'm a woman. may I express an opinion about men, or am I not allowed to?
freedom of speech, which thankgod we still have in this country, means that I get to have an opinion about anything I want. and so do you.
Putting up Catholic doctine as absurd
Submitted by Radical1979 on Thu, 11/17/2011 - 10:41pm.
the way Hank did is uncalled for, as the topic of the thread has nothing to do with the Eucharist.
This is not a religion board, it's about media bias against conservatism. It's not an appropriate place for religious discussions. I refer you again to the NB link on the subject.
We all have opinions and are entitled to them, there are however, appropriate times and places for them to be expressed. It's my opinion that non-Catholics telling Catholics how to run their religion is wrong. You disagree. But me expressing my opinion has offended you.
By the way, I never asked your religion.
Big Baby
Submitted by Henry Clay on Thu, 11/17/2011 - 10:47pm.
Do you want wafers with your whine?
Hank
Submitted by Radical1979 on Thu, 11/17/2011 - 10:58pm.
Having difficulty comprehending again? No whine here, just statements of fact. I realize that isn't something you deal with very often, but we're used to you're nonsense here.
Alright Clay*
Submitted by cajun2 on Thu, 11/17/2011 - 11:05pm.
That one was disrespectful no matter how you try to spin it.
Now tell us about those evil idols Catholics worship?
Dear Henry
Submitted by kata on Thu, 11/17/2011 - 11:26pm.
Your slip is showing.
"Henry"...
Submitted by Matthew Balan on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 12:18am.
Hey "Henry," see my reply below. I have dealt with your trolling above, and my explanation is below.
Henry, Please keep your
Submitted by Ken Shepherd on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 11:04am.
Henry,
Please keep your comments relevant to the bias issues and not work in anti-Catholic snark. This Calvinist is really annoyed when the comment threads get into comments that disparage others' religions.
"but you cannot legislate that decision on their behalf."
Submitted by NC Cop on Thu, 11/17/2011 - 10:36pm.
See, I never understood that kind of thinking. We're not trying to legislate that decision on the WOMAN'S behalf, it's on the behalf of the innocent child that has no say.
NC*
Submitted by cajun2 on Thu, 11/17/2011 - 10:40pm.
*
Sounds like you have given up
Submitted by Boudin on Thu, 11/17/2011 - 10:56pm.
On the human race. If we cant put it back into the bottle, if you believe we cant reform ourselves into a civil society again, then why are you here? To make sure we dont?
We had better find answers for the vile hatred that our fellow citizen have of us. Yes, that includes killing the unborn, and stopping the propagandizing of the ones who made it out of the womb, alive. Weather or not your Catholic, their values, are going to be the tools for witch to get this done.
In the end, God and His
Submitted by rbosque on Thu, 11/17/2011 - 10:36pm.
In the end, God and His Church win. Time Magazine will be a distant memory.
Hmmmmmmm
Submitted by richflanj on Thu, 11/17/2011 - 11:45pm.
Let me see:
Mortal sin.......popularity with liberals.........mortal sin........popularity with liberals.........
Gee, doesn't seem to be much of a contest, does it?
Henry Clay, you have been "moderated"
Submitted by Matthew Balan on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 12:16am.
"Henry,"
What a nice Catholic name you bear here online. You know what? I just exercised my power as a NewsBusters writer and deleted your post, which got rid of the subsequent discussion.
You want to know why? I just came back from attending a prayer service presided by the head of the Ukrainian Catholic Church. He recently became the leader of a church with a history of martyrs. As you may be aware, the Ukraine was invaded by the communist Russians near the end of World War II, after it had been invaded by the anti-Catholic Nazi regime. Under both, but especially under the genocidal Soviets, the Ukrainian Catholic Church was persecuted. Thousands of laity, deacons, priests, bishops, and religious were imprisoned, tortured, exiled, and murdered wholesale just for being Christans loyal to the end to the faith of their fathers.
You dishonor their memories with your poisonous words, and I shall not abide it. I already had to slap down the attacks of the secularist anti-Catholic which I documented and refuted above, and I'm not going to put up with another anti-Catholic who considers himself Christian.
In other words, take a hike.
Mathew Balan*
Submitted by cajun2 on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 12:26am.
I always did like you...;-)
Good evening Matt
Submitted by cocodrie on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 12:35am.
Thank you so much.
Jesus Loves You so much He died for you
Cajun and cocodrie...
Submitted by Matthew Balan on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 1:06am.
No, thank you! Your comments are much appreciated.
Mr Balan you may Moderate but I Reform
Submitted by Henry Clay on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 9:51am.
Why am I not surprised at your reaction sir. This is so typical of what has become of modern Catholic intellectual thought. Gone are the days of thoughtful apologetics. No where did I bash, trash, or mock Catholicism- I pointed out the hypocrisy in a doctrine of rewarding pro-abortionist. Your response speaks volumes. This is what Church has always done to reformers, silence them. You sir have more in common with Richard Dawkins than you do with Justinian.
There is something wrong with society when a man gets silenced for speaking up for Christ. The reaction here is shameful; it was met with pats on the back and loud applause. You are incapable of defending this Church because deep down you know that it needs to be reformed; yet instead of taking a vocal stance you allow this church to give Eucharist to abortionists, meddle with international monetary policy, turn a blind eye to pedophilia, and warp the minds of the young through a doctrine of works base salvation. I don’t hate you, I rather feel sorry for you and your weakness. You sir have more in common with the soviets you claim to despise. You are enabling a broken church with broken souls; and you wonder why people are leaving Catholicism….
LOL
Submitted by Matthew Balan on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 10:06am.
As I said above, where to begin? You're all over the place, "sir." Your claim that you haven't mocked Catholicism is complete nonsense. The proof is your wafer remark above.
Wicked Lies
Submitted by Henry Clay on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 10:32am.
I knew that you were going to state that comment in your defense because you erased all the previous commentary leading up to it about the Eucharist. Dishonesty is so unappealing. I made that comment because the church has taken the importance of the Eucharist and made it a mere symbol.
As for the church being ant-Nazi, I suggest you study your history a little more sir. As for persecution against the Church, I also suggest you read Martin Luther’s “Here I Stand”. Here was a man speaking up against a corrupt church; imprisoned, facing death at the hands of the Catholic Church and he refused to waiver. He knew that the Church needed reforming; the Church fathers attempted to silence him; but by the grace of God he stood his ground and did neither hide nor play petty little games to make himself look bigger to man. Your intellectual corruption is more than I can take this morning.
psst.
Submitted by kata on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 10:49am.
slip... still showing.
At first turn that someone here may disagree with your "studied" evaluations, you started to act like a brat.
Just curious, Henry.
Submitted by 26CX on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 11:13am.
Are you comparing yourself to Martin Luther?
"Do you want wafers with your whine?"
Submitted by SickofLibs on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 10:06am.
That is not mocking Catholicism?
Good morning Henry
Submitted by cocodrie on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 10:48am.
You appear to be confusing the moral absolutes of God with the failings of man. You are trying very hard to pit one religion against another. I have attended catholic, pentecostal, non-denominational, baptist and even jewish services. My friend Jesus was in attendance with me at each and every one of them. Yes even at the jewish ones. You see, Jesus wasn't pentacostal, catholic or any other christian religion, He was a jew.
As far as the different denominations are concerned I leave you with Jesus' words in Mark 9: 38-40 -
and John answered him saying, " master 'we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbade hin because he followeth not us". But Jesus said "Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, thar can lightly speak evil of me. For he that is not against us is on our part."
Jesus Loves You so much He died for you
Pro-Choice At Corporate Means Give Up Cable or Tim Padgett
Submitted by Avitar on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 12:56am.
Time-Warner operates in a highly regulated environment and Tim Padgett’s attacks are polluting that environment. To this date Time has always been protected because they were created as a megaphone FDR and the Democratic Party when he was Governor of New York. The Corporate officers must be able to see that era is coming to an end. They can get rid of the elements of the corporation that are anti-American soon or America will get rid of them later with the technological changes. This may not happen in the next four years but certainly by 2020.
Don't like it, don't join
Submitted by Unsane on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 10:06am.
Me to Time Bureau Chief: If You Don't Like (or disagree) With The Catholic Church, Don't F****** Be A Catholic.
Leftists sure don't get this whole freedom of association thing, do they?
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)