CBS: Ryan Budget Opponents 'Poignant'; Touted 'Nasty' Tea Parties in 2009
CBS's Early Show on Wednesday played up how opponents of Rep. Paul Ryan's budget plan shouted down GOP representatives at recent town hall meetings, but downplayed them as "less than friendly," and marveled at their apparently "poignant" questions. The network also omitted how liberal groups targeted these meetings, and trumpeted the "nasty national shouting match" at health care town hall meetings in 2009.
News anchor Jeff Glor noted how "House Republicans are back home for the first time since passing an aggressive deficit cutting plan, including the architect of that plan, Congressman Paul Ryan." Glor used the "less than friendly" label immediately before playing a clip of an unidentified protester shouting, "Ryan, stop lying!" outside a town hall meeting held by the Republican in Wisconsin, and another of a woman who directly accused him of "screwing our generation and the next generation."
The CBS anchor then introduced correspondent Nancy Cordes by asking her, "The exchange we just saw: typical of what you saw yesterday?" Cordes enthusiastically replied, "Oh, yes, absolutely, Jeff," and continued that "Congressman Ryan heard some poignant questions from constituents about his deficit reduction plan."
The correspondent didn't give an example of such a question during her report, but instead, played a clip from a video posted by Think Progress, the blog of the liberal group Center for American Progress, from a town hall meeting hosted by Florida Republican Dan Webster, where protesters screamed "liar" at the congressman (Think Progress's identifying graphic is clearly visible during the clip; see graphic at right).
By contrast, on the August 12, 2009 edition of Early Show, then-host Russ Mitchell highlighted how "Democratic lawmakers pushing reform are being jeered at testy town hall meetings" and that the anti-Obamacare protests were proof that the debate over the health care issue was "turning into a nasty national shouting match."
Politico's Marin Cogan reported on Monday that "liberal groups are amping up their efforts against House Republicans this week, targeting lawmakers in their districts in an effort to make GOP support of Paul Ryan’s budget blueprint a political liability ahead of the 2012 election....This week’s efforts continue a campaign by Democratic groups last week to shift the narrative on the Ryan budget in their favor. Last week, MoveOn encouraged its members to attend town halls and grill lawmakers on Medicare and Medicaid." Neither Glor nor Cordes mentioned these detail during the report.
The full transcript of the report, which began 8 minutes into the 7 am Eastern hour of Wednesday's Early Show:
JEFF GLOR: House Republicans are back home for the first time since passing an aggressive deficit cutting plan, including the architect of that plan, Congressman Paul Ryan. In some places, the reception that Ryan got was less than friendly.
UNIDENTIFIED PROTESTERS (chanting, from demonstration in Kenosha, Wisconsin): Ryan, stop lying!
GLOR: Representative Ryan attended four town hall meetings in Wisconsin yesterday, where he heard from voters about his budget plan, which includes major changes to Medicare.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE 1 (from town hall meeting): You're screwing our generation and the next generation.
REPRESENTATIVE PAUL RYAN: So the alternative is this, is a debt crisis? Is that your point? I mean, I can't- are you saying cut spending faster and deeper?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE 1: I'm saying your plan screws the next two generations.
GLOR: CBS News congressional correspondent Nancy Cordes joins us from Kenosha, Wisconsin this morning. Nancy, good morning to you. The exchange we just saw: typical of what you saw yesterday?
NANCY CORDES: Oh, yes, absolutely, Jeff- good morning. We went to all of those town hall meetings. They were packed to the gills, every one of them, and at each one, Congressman Ryan heard some poignant questions from constituents about his deficit reduction plan, and specifically, that part about Medicare, about overhauling Medicare, turning it essentially into a voucher system for future generations, where the government would give them a subsidy, to then go ahead and buy private insurance. And this is something we're hearing about not just in Wisconsin, but at Republican town halls across the country.
In fact, take a look at one exchange in Orlando, Florida between a constituent and Congressman Dan Webster, who is a Florida Republican.
REPRESENTATIVE DAN WEBSTER (from town hall meeting): Not one senior citizen is harmed by this budget.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE 1 (interrupting and shouting): What? You're a liar.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE 2: You're a damned liar!
GLOR: That was Nancy Cordes in Kenosha, Wisconsin, this morning.
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Pesky bit of info
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Wed, 04/27/2011 - 6:43pm.
Drudge is reporting that 47% of seniors support Ryan's plan. Maybe because we have children who grew up and got jobs also.
The Ryan plan is too weak, a
Submitted by dscott on Wed, 04/27/2011 - 6:57pm.
The Ryan plan is too weak, a half measure, aggressive would be to not raise the debt ceiling and force the government to live within its means.
The Ryan plan fails just like Obama plan from the same fatal flaw, interest rate projections that don't hold with reality. The only way that interest rates would continue to hold this low would be for the Fed to continue to pump printed money to buy those new bonds needed for deficit spending. It's unsustainable and therefore doomed to failure.
Exactly!
Submitted by Order270 on Wed, 04/27/2011 - 7:51pm.
We aren't even talking about a balanced budget here. Doesn't anybody even know the difference between the deficit and the debt?
Debt vs. deficit
Submitted by nkviking75 on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 9:32am.
The deficit is the amount of money spent above the amount of revenue taken in in a given year. The debt is basically the total amount of the deficits accumulated over our history.
“Always love your country — but never trust your government!" -- Bob Novak (1931-2009)
When you put the clowns in charge, don't be surprised when a circus breaks out.
Boring
Submitted by JamPony on Wed, 04/27/2011 - 7:21pm.
How long is the Right Wing going to play this tit for tat nonsense?
Here I am going to answer my own question: as long as the Right is stupid enough to think that all things are equal in all instances. If Bush raises the debt ceiling then it is EXACTLY the same as if Obama raises the debt ceiling.
That is just like saying one family is the same as another family if they both file for bankruptcy except one was because of a father who has a gambling addiction and the other was due to the loss of an income due to the death of a spouse. To the Right wing all things are equal and both should be judged exactly the same.
I know it is long winded but you all get the point even though you will try to act like you don't.
Also, how long are you people going to pretend like ALL Tea Partiers are meek, salt of the earth people?
Bush vs. Obama
Submitted by HardRightTurn on Wed, 04/27/2011 - 7:44pm.
The S&P didn't warn Bush about the Democrat's and Obama's excessive $5 trillion spending deficit.
To more fully comprehend the Left, one must read “Leftism As Psychopathy” by John Ray, M.A., Ph.D. Caution, it might scare you a little bit.
http://jonjayray.tripod.com/psycho.html
Hmmm...
Submitted by JamPony on Wed, 04/27/2011 - 8:07pm.
I guess you have a solution to the world wide financial crisis - created by Bush and Co. - that didn't cost any money.
Oh and here is what S & P actually said: "Our negative outlook on our rating on the U.S. sovereign signals that we believe there is at least a one-in-three likelihood that we could lower our
long-term rating on the U.S. within two years," Mr. Swann said. "The outlook
reflects our view of the increased risk that the political negotiations over
when and how to address both the medium- and long-term fiscal challenges will
persist until at least after national elections in 2012."
Basically, it is up to the politicians to play nice. Because the Republicans are so stupid, we have come to this point but I'm sure all of our worst nightmares won't be realized.
Oh just jam it, horses ass
Submitted by Dave. on Wed, 04/27/2011 - 8:15pm.
The current financial crises was well over three decades in the making.
And the only stoopid people around are those that still think communism can actually work.
-That would be the Comrade Chairman and his supporters.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
"but I'm sure all of our
Submitted by NC Cop on Wed, 04/27/2011 - 8:17pm.
"but I'm sure all of our worst nightmares won't be realized."
They already are. They are currently residing in the White House as we speak.
Aww....
Submitted by JamPony on Wed, 04/27/2011 - 8:23pm.
Poor baby. Did the big black guy scare you?
Nope, just the stupid,
Submitted by NC Cop on Wed, 04/27/2011 - 8:35pm.
Nope, just the stupid, unqualified, thin skinned, in over his head, big mouth......sounds like you two have a lot in common.
Stupid? Unqualified?
Submitted by JamPony on Wed, 04/27/2011 - 8:57pm.
Oh, you're a cop. I guess that explains it. You can't read good.
I guess you're a cop and that makes you smarter than a lawyer or at least more capable to deal with complex fiscal and monetary policies as well as foreign and domestic geo political issues. You know what - you're right. The smart money always bets on the cop when dealing with these issues verses the Harvard trained lawyer.
"Free Mumia!"
Submitted by SickofLibs on Wed, 04/27/2011 - 9:02pm.
.
LOL!!!!!!!!!!
Submitted by NC Cop on Wed, 04/27/2011 - 9:10pm.
LOL!!!!!!!!!!
Oh, you're a liberal. That
Submitted by NC Cop on Wed, 04/27/2011 - 9:10pm.
Oh, you're a liberal. That explains it. You can't think for yourself.
Harvard? Tell me, Jamass. What were Obama's grades in Harvard? What where his activities? You're saying he's smart based on the fact that he went to Harvard? You're not too bright, are you. But that's how Obama likes you, isn't it?
Now run along to Huffington Post for your next batch of talking post, you witless zombie.
"The smart money always bets on the cop when dealing with these issues verses the Harvard trained lawyer."
In case you haven't seen Obama's approval rating, and judging by your posts you haven't, most of America would probably agree with that statement.
LOL NC Cop - you pwned JamJackass..
Submitted by Nforce on Wed, 04/27/2011 - 9:29pm.
Who let that mouth breathing libtard troglodyte in here anyway? Always fun to bat around those mindless drooling Obamabots who come asking for it.
Stumpbroke Pony---
Submitted by matthewdean on Wed, 04/27/2011 - 9:18pm.
That you do not see Obama as what he is, even with his supposed Harvard training as a lawyer, fits you nicely into the water carrying, kool-aid drinking ObamaCorpse.
Obama may have gotten elected to the Oval Office, but that proves only that he was a successful campaigner with loads of money behind him.
His actions, and lack of same, since donning the crown awarded by fools, speak for his lock on the title of best buffoon to ever reside in the White House.
MD
yes lil pony*
Submitted by cajun2 on Wed, 04/27/2011 - 8:43pm.
He scares the c*** outta me. What is he going to do when he runs out of other peoples money?
You, like other hit and run trolls, come here to spew your nonsense but forget something important like facts. Obama has already tripled this country's debt in less than three years. Bush had a yearly budget of 1.6 trillion. Obama is spending that much per month.
If you are unable to see where his incompetence is taking this country, then you are indeed a lil pony and have not yet learned to study nor comprehend factual information regardless of political affiliation. Numbers dont lie.
Why would he?
Submitted by ckc1227 on Wed, 04/27/2011 - 10:58pm.
"I guess you have a solution to the world wide financial crisis - created by Bush and Co. - that didn't cost any money."
Why would he, or anyone for that matter, have a solution for your make believe scenario?
Darn, you figured it out.
Submitted by JamPony on Wed, 04/27/2011 - 11:03pm.
The financial crisis was all make believe.
Try again, pony molester
Submitted by ckc1227 on Wed, 04/27/2011 - 11:05pm.
That is all.
Much like your facts.
Submitted by NC Cop on Wed, 04/27/2011 - 11:07pm.
Much like your facts.
JamPony, just what do you
Submitted by bassndude on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 1:02pm.
JamPony, just what do you mean "was"? It's now worse than it was, and is worse than it had to be.
Your man in the Whitehouse has ushered in inflation up to the 10% level. Fuel at the pump is up over 100% due to your man's policies on drilling and energy. No matter how much money the government pours into the ethanol, wind and solar, they will never replace oil and gas in this century. We could reduce spending by billions just by ending subsidies for these so called "green energy" systems. Stop the ethanol pay outs and ethanol would be twice the price of regular gas. Ethanol produces more pollution than gasoline, more green house gasses. How green is that? Not to mention driving up corn prices to abnormal rates.
Yep, 10% inflation rate, 135% increase in fuel prices, real unemployment rate running at 22%, and you liberal knot heads want to do more of the same thing!
Just goes to prove ya can't fix stupid.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal/troll!!
dump
Submitted by ckc1227 on Wed, 04/27/2011 - 11:05pm.
danged crappy blog software.
Whassamatter, Jam Pony---
Submitted by matthewdean on Wed, 04/27/2011 - 8:00pm.
the thought of people telling you to jam your BS, mount your pony and get out of Dodge getting your knickers in a twist?
Also, how long are you people going to pretend you have all the answers and know what is best for everyone?
Obama is your answer?
Too funny.
MD
"how long are you people
Submitted by NC Cop on Wed, 04/27/2011 - 8:06pm.
"how long are you people going to pretend like ALL Tea Partiers are meek, salt of the earth people?"
Don't know. How long are you democrats going to pretend that you actually care about this country?
You're Right
Submitted by JamPony on Wed, 04/27/2011 - 8:14pm.
Democrats hate this country. That's why we are always trying to make it more "socialistic." Oh, to you evening out the playing field is destruction.
The Republican mantra is about lowering the power of government - not to empower the people but to empower the corporations. There is a battle for this country waged between the government/Americans and corporations/Republicans.
Paul Ryan is hoping he can Jedi Mind Trick the old folks into believing he is for them. Good luck.
Shetland stupe---
Submitted by matthewdean on Wed, 04/27/2011 - 8:56pm.
same old liberal line; same old liberal stench.
MD
JamPony: New troll, same old talking points.
Submitted by Phryj1 on Wed, 04/27/2011 - 11:11pm.
Evening out the playing field, you say? Considering we already have equal opportunity, legally guaranteed for everyone, it's as even as it needs to be. Anyone, and I mean absolutely anyone, with hard work and personal responsibility can go as far as they want to go. There are already plenty of assistance programs, for everything from going to college, to food and housing. The playing field is as even as it's ever going to be. However, guys like Mr "At some point, you've made enough money" Obama (who is actually quite wealthy himself) aren't about evening out the playing field so much as forcing every game to end in a tie.
Empowering corporations? Like how Obamacare legally requires everyone to purchase health insurance, thus EMPOWERING health insurance companies? Or like Cap and Trade, which would have EMPOWERED BP to make tens of billions of dollars with carbon credits? Or the financial reform bill, which EMPOWERED the very same Wall Street execs who caused the market crash to give themselves hefty bonuses? Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the Dems are very much in the tank for corporations, as much as any Republican. Besides that, weaker government doesn't mean corporations will suddenly be freed from all regulations and taxes. No one is suggesting that. In fact, if you bothered to get any actual facts about Ryan's proposal, you'd be aware that it eliminates tax loopholes for corporations. So, companies like GE (another big Obama supporter) would no longer be paying negative taxes.
And you actually believe the Democrats want to make the government more powerful just to protect us from corporations? And that government is only here to serve the people? How naive are you, anyway? It goes like this, corporations just want our money. If you don't like what a corporation is doing, don't give them your business. Corporations are easy to keep in line like that. Well, expect for health insurance companies, but it's the Dems' fault we're at their mercy. Now, governments are a LOT harder to keep in check. And the Democrats all want the government to have more control over people in various ways. Examples: regulating what you're allowed to eat/drink/smoke/consume, what you're allowed to drive/how you get around, forcing you to buy health insurance, how much energy you use, how much CO2 you output, how successful you are at your job/business, what you're allowed to do with your money, etc. They justify this by saying the government should have the power to force people to do the right thing for society, the Earth, their own health, etc. Once the government has that power, it's REALLY hard to take it away.
Progressives seem to be completely averse to facts and logic. Apparently, reality has a conservative bias.
Agreed!
Submitted by JamPony on Wed, 04/27/2011 - 11:12pm.
The Dems are in the bag for corporations BUT they aren't trying to sell out the poor to serve them. Or maybe they are and just aren't trying as hard as the Republicans.
Yes, I am naive because I imagine that I could tell a corporation to go kick rocks but they have out smarted our freedom of choice by price fixing, collusion and numerous unfair trade practices. So who is the naive person here who believes that all you have to do to defeat evil corporations is take your money elsewhere? "Corporations are EASY to keep in line like that." Emphasis added. Sheesh this guy is an idiot.
So we're at the mercy of health insurance companies because of the Dems who implemented Heath Care Reform which won't fully kick in for two more years. Somehow the health insurance companies were able to use their future power to enslave us today - genius!
You are playing checkers idiot.
Maybe you aren't aware of this, but...
Submitted by Phryj1 on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 12:01am.
...corporations need money to survive. So, if people don't like the way a corporation does business and choose not to deal with them, that company loses money. They either have to make major changes, firing executives, etc. to bring customers back or they cease to exist. And if a corporation really screws up, they can get hit with lawsuits and lose even more money. Any corporation lives and dies at the whims of it's customers. Boycotts work. So does fear of bad PR. Most people don't even realize how much power they actually have over big companies. They're nothing without our money. But since so many people seem to think only the government can save them, they don't try to do anything themselves. The problem with that is, the same government that can bring corporations low, will also happily sell the American people out to them. There isn't always an election around the corner when that happens, but you can start taking your money elsewhere right away.
And if I'm playing checkers, you're playing Tic-Tac-Toe.
Progressives seem to be completely averse to facts and logic. Apparently, reality has a conservative bias.
"UT they aren't trying to
Submitted by dscott on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 9:59am.
"UT they aren't trying to sell out the poor to serve them."
Bahahahahahah, ROFL
Ethanol subsidies aren't a sell out of the poor by increasing the price of food due to crop displacement? GE, a major Obama and Dem contributor, not pay ANY Taxes due to subsidies and tax credits passed by Democrats? Sacrificing the poor on the alter of AGW by opposing virtually all domestic drilling forcing up gasoline prices is not a sell out of the poor? The EPA pushed by Obama requiring the ethanol content of gas to go up to 15% giving even worse gas mileage costing the poor more money is not a sell out of the poor? Printing money to the point of devaluing the Dollar causes inflation, and that's not a sell out of the poor? What prey tell more does Obama and the Democrats have to do to qualify as selling out the poor? Democrats have been virtually at war with the poor. How many less people working do they need to qualify? The workforce has shrunk by 7 million people, what, does the dufus need to push it to 10 million? What do you think is going to happen when the price of gasoline goes to $4.50 a gallon? Hint, rewind the memory spools to 2008.
Ha ha!
Submitted by DontFeedTheTrolls on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 7:23am.
Notice how Jampony, typical lib, considers George Bush to be all powerful and to have singlehandedly ran the world economy down. Congress? Powerless. Democrats? Powerless. Other countries? Powerless.
RINO establishment is OUR problem
Submitted by jefflebowski on Wed, 04/27/2011 - 7:27pm.
The Dims are going to go away for their socialist destruction of America over the past several years! But the real problem for the tea party is the RINO establishment! They detest the tea party because they know we will destroy their appeasement of liberals!
The tea party had a great first at-bat in November when we sent 63 Dims home. We will do that again in 2012 but this time we must send a ton of wussypants RINOs home too!
We need statesmen and not politicians!
Angry White Dude
www.angrywhitedude.com
Yeah? Dims Destroyed the Country?
Submitted by JamPony on Wed, 04/27/2011 - 7:46pm.
The Dims are so smart they used a Republican President to make it all happen?
ok lil pony*
Submitted by cajun2 on Wed, 04/27/2011 - 8:17pm.
Let's try again. I hope you can count. while you study this link, be sure to remember the function of the House and Senate in Congress. It 's important for you to know that the democrats have had control of house for 44 of the last 56 yrs which includes the republican majority til 2012.
Now tell me again how evil Bush was and how evil are the republicans when democrats have been in power for almost half a centry.
Awww... all these poor Republican Presidents.....
Submitted by JamPony on Wed, 04/27/2011 - 8:39pm.
Rolled by the Left.
The last 50 years:
Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush the Elder, Clinton, Bush the Dumber, Obama.
I know it was a Dem who said where the buck stops but I have to believe you guys also agree.
It's been the Republicans who have been in power during this countries most perilous times. it has been Republicans who have decided to either take this country to war or extend our involvement in war. War costs money - lives. And it was your guy who told us about the Military–industrial complex (MIC). You guys are the MIC. So F'ing sad - blood for money.
I'm so sorry Republican Presidents don't have any power to veto anything that comes across their desks. Now I will shed a tear.
Republican Presidents take us to war huh??
Submitted by BEGRUNT on Wed, 04/27/2011 - 8:50pm.
Read history much?? WW 1- Woodrow Wilson (D), WW2- Franklin Roosevelt (D), Korea- Truman (D), Vietnam- Kennedy (D).... escalation of the conflict, Johnson (D) Rescue disaster of american hostages in Iran- Carter(D). Hmmmm....looks like it's more Dems than Repubs..have taken us to war. Care to try again genius??
"A nation can suffer it's fool's, but cannot survive the traitor"
Cicero
Oh I See
Submitted by JamPony on Wed, 04/27/2011 - 10:39pm.
So the Republican persona of being war hawks is all mistaken it really the Dems who are hard up for war.
Someone alert the Lame Stream Media!!!!!
Even more recently
Submitted by bkeyser on Wed, 04/27/2011 - 10:43pm.
Samantha Power.
Hillary Clinton.
Susan Rice.
Barack Obama.
You tell me!
Submitted by BEGRUNT on Wed, 04/27/2011 - 10:55pm.
I presented fact........Your response? A bunch of crap........Please carry on.....fool!
"A nation can suffer it's fool's, but cannot survive the traitor"
Cicero
AGAIN: So...
Submitted by JamPony on Wed, 04/27/2011 - 11:27pm.
The Republican persona of being war hawks is all made up?
It's the Dems who are really the tough rugged bunch and the Repubs are reviled for their passiveness right?
I mean I look at your "facts" and I must conclude that we are all mistaken in our conventional wisdom that Republicans are strong on defense and the military because of their non-war stance. We ALL have to look at your "facts" and know that we are wrong.
How did we all get it so wrong for so long if you have clearly established your position?
"How did we all get it so
Submitted by NC Cop on Wed, 04/27/2011 - 11:31pm.
"How did we all get it so wrong for so long if you have clearly established your position?"
Um, because you're an idiot.
Any other questions you need answered?
Being strongly pro military
Submitted by bassndude on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 1:16pm.
Being strongly pro military and pro defense doesn't necessarily translate into being a war hawk. But to look at it, most of your military are Republican, pro military and pro defense. Vietnam has been going on since before Kennedy. Eisenhower sent observers and advisors in there, confirming what the CIA was seeing. Kennedy decided to send in the military combat advisors into Vietnam, and authorized the wearing of the Green Beret and the involvement of US troops in combat patrols.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal/troll!!
See lil pony*
Submitted by cajun2 on Wed, 04/27/2011 - 8:58pm.
This is how people like you can be overwhelmed with propaganda. Its because you do not have any clue how the three branches of government work.
Democrat majority of both houses yes can over ride a presidential veto. Have you studied basic civics? Have you studied the constitution?
Did you know that all but one democrat voted to go to war in Iraq? They had a majority and could have easily told Bush NO.
The president can bring a budget to the House but if the opposition has a majority, that president is going to have a difficult time passing that budget. Have you not figured out that is why Obama hates Paul Ryan? Have you not figured out that is why Pelosi stymied Bush on any cuts to the budget in 2007 and 2008?
The tax cuts did help corporations during a recession. Enough so they could hire people to work.Spew it like you want, but the tax cuts helped everyone. Currently, 49% of households in the US pay NO taxes. The top 5% of the population, the rich, pay 95% of all tax revenue.
If you are going to continue to spew your libtard nonsense then you will be required to link proof of your assertions. If you are unable to do that, I will advise all of NB posters that you are a troll and you will then find yourself corraled.
So...
Submitted by JamPony on Wed, 04/27/2011 - 10:58pm.
You're using a hypothetical to justify your argument for what really happened?
Because the two house COULD have over-rid a Presidential Veto it was never attempted because of this possibility. Well, that makes a lot of sense. So basically all Republican Presidents were clairvoyant. Cool.
Oh, so because the Dems voted for a that makes it the Dem agenda. So Bush really didn't want to go to war and was compelled by the Dems. Oh the Dems were supposed to say no to a war where the current administration told them that there was imminent danger to the entire world with an evil dictator having WMD? Yep, I guess we would have all rather that happened and then the real destruction of the world could be blamed on the Dems. I guess you're upset that the Dems weren't clairvoyant and didn't see the future. Again, you totally make sense.
I like the way you lump a fallacy with a red-herring in order to make your point.
Corporations hire not because of TAXES but because of productivity. You are obviously stupid and don't understand simple business so I will do my best to explain it to you in bite sized pieces at a very, very, very slow pace.
If you make $10 dollars and your expenses are $10 what do you think your tax liability is? Yes, you guessed it: $0. Now let me ask you is an employees salary considered a profit or a cost? I know its tricky but it's a cost. Listen to me now and believe me later on. Here is another question: does a company pay taxes on what they spend or what they earn? Again, I know it's tricky so I am going to help you out. They pay taxes on what they earn AFTER you factor OUT what they spent.
SOOOOOOOOO...TAXES has nothing, NOTHING to do with hiring decisions. Because at the end of hte day hiring and firing is all an expense which can be accumulated and used to offset their tax liabilities. Wow, that was easier than I thought.
So...
Submitted by JamPony on Wed, 04/27/2011 - 11:00pm.
You're using a hypothetical to justify your argument for what really happened?
Because the two house COULD have over-rid a Presidential Veto it was never attempted because of this possibility. Well, that makes a lot of sense. So basically all Republican Presidents were clairvoyant. Cool.
Oh, so because the Dems voted for a that makes it the Dem agenda. So Bush really didn't want to go to war and was compelled by the Dems. Oh the Dems were supposed to say no to a war where the current administration told them that there was imminent danger to the entire world with an evil dictator having WMD? Yep, I guess we would have all rather that happened and then the real destruction of the world could be blamed on the Dems. I guess you're upset that the Dems weren't clairvoyant and didn't see the future. Again, you totally make sense.
I like the way you lump a fallacy with a red-herring in order to make your point.
Corporations hire not because of TAXES but because of productivity. You are obviously stupid and don't understand simple business so I will do my best to explain it to you in bite sized pieces at a very, very, very slow pace.
If you make $10 dollars and your expenses are $10 what do you think your tax liability is? Yes, you guessed it: $0. Now let me ask you is an employees salary considered a profit or a cost? I know its tricky but it's a cost. Listen to me now and believe me later on. Here is another question: does a company pay taxes on what they spend or what they earn? Again, I know it's tricky so I am going to help you out. They pay taxes on what they earn AFTER you factor OUT what they spent.
SOOOOOOOOO...TAXES has nothing, NOTHING to do with hiring decisions. Because at the end of hte day hiring and firing is all an expense which can be accumulated and used to offset their tax liabilities. Wow, that was easier than I thought.
Say, stumpbroke---
Submitted by matthewdean on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 7:44pm.
are you the economist leading the current administration?
Sure looks like you fit the bill, based on your Economy minus101 info.
MD
"TAXES has nothing, NOTHING
Submitted by dscott on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 8:56pm.
"TAXES has nothing, NOTHING to do with hiring decisions. Because at the end of hte day hiring and firing is all an expense which can be accumulated and used to offset their tax liabilities."
Let's hypothetically accept what you say is true, (which it isn't at all since tax liabilities are based on profits made and then are added to the bottom line for NET INCOME to disburse to the stock holders or owner(s)), so you have just admitted the government is oppressing the poor by stealth taxation on the products they purchase since EVERY PENNY OF TAX is built into the cost of ALL services and products. In fact you just admitted that the means Democrats love to use to raise revenue and demogogue the wealthy is a REGRESSIVE TAX UPON THE POOR since the poor spend all of their income (i.e. don't save any like the middle class and wealthy) thus they pay disproportionately as a percentage MORE taxes than any other group by virtue of these hidden taxes.
Now, who is for the poor? The GOP who wants to reduce or eliminate taxes on businesses thus passing more income to the poor OR the Democrats who rape the poor at every opportunity all the while smiling to their faces saying we love you???? With friends like Democrats who needs Robber Barrons?
But to dispell your mistaken view of economics, government policy discourages hiring by INCREASING THE COST of the product or service which must be passed on to the consumer. IF the consumer can't afford it, can do without it or has an alternative choice like foreign products, the business bearing that greater expense loses market share and thus experiences deminished profits. I.E. The government get's LESS TAX REVENUE due to volume loss even though the tax rates are increased or mandates forcing extra expenses like ObamaCare.
Let me use a good example of why reducing tax rates brings in MORE revenue to the Treasury. Walmart, this company makes it's money on volume. Do you understand this concept? Walmart accepts a lower profit margin per product, thus making it cheaper for the customer, however, in the aggregate MORE product will be sold and thus Walmart makes BILLIONS. The exact same thing works for the government in taxation rates. America invented the discount store, this idea of making money on volume has been around since the FW Woolworth (5 & Dime) Company at the turn of the century (1879). So I don't know how to make the volume discount concept any clearer or simpler, it works.
So the bottom line here is stop doing anymore favors for the poor they really don't need the type of bad policy continually foisted by Democrats, they need a job not a handout. It should be obvious even to you that NO ONE EVER BECAME SELF SUFFICIENT OR RICH by accepting government handouts. Government handouts come from somewhere, that money is taken from businesses and individuals which DEPRESSES ECONOMIC ACTIVITY. When the government takes my dollar, that dollar will not be spent in buying a product or service or investing in plant expansion/moderization thus depriving someone of a job, now combine the dollars taken from millions of taxpayers and you begin to see the where the problem starts - THE GOVERNMENT. The government does not create any net positive dollars, it only spends/consumes them. The government as currently run is a leeche upon this society.
Wow, I didn't think anybody
Submitted by NC Cop on Wed, 04/27/2011 - 9:05pm.
Wow, I didn't think anybody could fit ALL the White House talking points into one post. That's impressive, Jam!!!
DailyKos must be so pleased with you! And I'm sure Obama is appreciative of your ignorance.
NC Cop*
Submitted by cajun2 on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 1:21pm.
Notice lil pony not only put ALL dem talking points in one posts, just in case you skipped over his post, he doubled down...LOL
Dumber Not....
Submitted by Blonde on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 11:35pm.
Do they come.
That was an awesome display of galactic stupidity on the little Jam Pony's part.
Classic.
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
This Is a Good Demonstration
Submitted by Comrade Jim on Wed, 04/27/2011 - 7:36pm.
Of why government should not be in the business of handing out benefits and redistributing wealth. It arrests human development and erodes character. People remain infantile; they do not grow up to adulthood and learn to make their own way in the world and to take care of themselves and their families. They learn the wrong lesson, that government is there to clear the way and to take care of them at the expense of their fellow citizens. They develop a dependency on government with no option but to whine and yell like children for their next handout, unwilling to adjust to any reversal of fortune. In the worst case they may eventually become little more than wards of the state, helpless to take care of themselves. The arithmetic is not on their side. What will they do when the money runs out? Perhaps something like Greece, mobs in the streets and.....
Demagogic Pity Party of Woe-Is-Me
Submitted by HardRightTurn on Wed, 04/27/2011 - 7:37pm.
How many people can you fit in a boat before it sinks?
To more fully comprehend the Left, one must read “Leftism As Psychopathy” by John Ray, M.A., Ph.D. Caution, it might scare you a little bit.
http://jonjayray.tripod.com/psycho.html
And people STILL deny there's left-wing bias?
Submitted by Phryj1 on Wed, 04/27/2011 - 9:23pm.
When people oppose a progressive policy and confront liberal policy makers, the media claims they're violent, racist, anti-government extremist astroturfers.
When a bunch of Soros-backed astroturfers are bussed in to disrupt GOP townhalls with liberal talking points, the media portrays them in the most glowing light possible.
What more proof do you need?
I'm so glad CBS News is faltering. Hopefully, these propagandist liars will be following Katie out the door soon.
Progressives seem to be completely averse to facts and logic. Apparently, reality has a conservative bias.