NBC's Lauer: WikiLeaks is Merely a 'Messenger' For Classified Material
By Matthew Balan | November 29, 2010 | 16:43
On Monday's Today show, NBC's Matt Lauer downplayed the criminal factor in the release of hundreds of thousands of classified diplomatic communiques by WikiLeaks, twice labeling the website as only a "messenger" for the documents. Both Lauer and NBC correspondent Andrea Mitchell insisted the State Department "crossed a line" by ordering diplomats to spy on foreign diplomats at the United Nations.
The NBC anchor interviewed Republican Congressman Peter King seven minutes into the 7 am Eastern hour on this latest release of confidential documents by WikiLeaks. Midway through the segment, Lauer raised the espionage issue: "Were you surprised to hear that Secretary of State Clinton and her predecessor, Secretary of State Rice, asked their diplomats to, in effect, spy on diplomats at the United Nations, asking for things like credit card numbers, computer passwords, DNA, fingerprints? This does cross a line, doesn't it?"
Mitchell used a similar line in the preceding segment:
MITCHELL: There is already fallout at the United Nations and in foreign capitals about the disclosure...that Secretary of State Clinton, and Condoleezza Rice before her, ordered her diplomats to spy on foreign capitals. That crosses a line between diplomacy and espionage, and that could endanger U.S. diplomats who rely on legal immunity, especially in dangerous parts of the world.
When Rep. King denied that it had crossed a line, the anchor replied, "Why doesn't it cross a line?" The New York Republican correctly pointed out in his answer that "we're doing nothing that every other government doesn't also do to us. It's just not put in the public eye."
Lauer then raised King's call for tough action against WikiLeaks and used his "messenger" label for the website:
LAUER: You want dramatic action taken. You would like to see WikiLeaks, the organization that has, really, served as the messenger for these leaked documents, to be declared a FTO or a foreign terrorist organization. That would put them in the same category as al Qaeda basically.
KING: Right.
LAUER: What is the likelihood of that happening?
KING: I would- I was disappointed with what [NBC correspondent] Jim Miklaszewski said [in an earlier report], that it doesn't appear the government is going to be taking tough legal action. If American lives are at risk- and every top military official has said that- then we have to be serious. We should go after them for violating the Espionage Act, and the reason I say 'foreign terrorist organization' is because they're engaged in terrorist activity. Their activity is enabling terrorists kill Americans-
LAUER: But aren't they the messenger? I mean, don't you want to take that action against whoever it was who downloaded these documents and gave them to Wikileaks?
KING: Well, it's both, because he was apparently a PFC [private first class], a low-ranking PFC who should get the most severe sentence. But you're an accessory (unintelligible)- Wikileaks is an accessory to this. They are taking information which they know is classified, which they know can cost life- they are as guilty as he is.
LAUER: According to the Wikileaks website, publishing documents such as these helps to- quote, 'keep governments honest' and this kind of transparency creates- quote, 'a better society, reduced corruption, and stronger democracies.' What's your response to that?
KING: Absolute nonsense- nobody elected Wikileaks to do anything. The fact is the government cannot sign a suicide pact. A government has to protect itself. It has to maintain secrets. We owe it to ourselves. We owe it to our allies. We owe it to the lives of the men and women who are out on the frontlines fighting for us.
Representative King is correct. The documents that Assange and Wikileaks released earlier in 2010 contained the names and locations of Afghan informants who assisted NATO troops, making them easy targets for retribution by the Taliban. The Australian hacker brushed aside any concerns for their lives: "While acknowledging that leaks like these could harm innocent people, he rationalized such possibilities as mere 'collateral damage, if you will.'" Toby Harnden of The Daily Telegraph, in addition to pointing out this endangering of the Afghanis, also noted how the WikiLeaks founder "admitted that he was seeking to manipulate and create 'maximum political impact'" with his release of a video which contained edited gun camera footage of a U.S. helicopter attack in Iraq where employees of Reuters were mistakenly killed.
Just over three months earlier, on August 23, Lauer advanced Assange's charge that the rape allegation against him was a Defense Department smear: "And payback? The founder of WikiLeaks, the Web site that leaked classified war documents, briefly named in a rape case in Sweden. He says he's innocent. Those charges have been dropped and now he suggests it's all part of a Pentagon smear campaign today."
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LAUER: But aren't they the
Submitted by stratman on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 5:25pm.
LAUER: But aren't they the messenger? I mean, don't you want to take that action against whoever it was who downloaded these documents and gave them to Wikileaks? So, by your definition Mr. Lauer, guns are only "messengers" too. No need to restrict firearms either, right? Hypocrite weasel. Another idiot who wants what he wants, whenever he wants.strat,
Submitted by Dave. on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 5:32pm.
Excellent point - one I am sure went right over Lauer's head.
Of course, as low in the slime as he wallows, you don't have to aim all that high to put one over on him.
-Dave
Somehow I think Lauer would
Submitted by stratman on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 6:34pm.
Somehow I think Lauer would crap his shorts if he had to really live by all his Liberal "ideals". His wealth insulates him from all the tripe he espouses for the alledged betterment of others, from the food he eats, the clothes he wears, the place he lives, the temperature inside his home, where he vacations, schools his children attend, the safety of himself and his family, the retirement he's amassed, and many more additional layers he's priviledged to have.
I don't begrudge him his wealth. Wealth is supposed to improve one's life, otherwise, why earn it. What I detest is his paternalism in other people's lives in areas he has no compulsion to live up to himself.
I agree
Submitted by Redrowan2000 on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 6:54pm.
The so called news journalists of today cannot identify with the audience (people) they supposedly represent. Today they are intellectual pedants that look down on the working and white collar workers of the world . The analogy of baseball players in the 40's and 50's comes to mind where you had a group of young men who played baseball for money, but were not that out of touch financially with those they played in front of. Off seasons they would work odd jobs, car sales, real estate etc., The news organizations seemed to be the same. The folks who delivered our news were middle class guys and in some cases gals who delivered the news and not their opinions. Today because of their exorbitant salaries or because they can't handle their salaries without thinking they are that intelligent they preach to the great unwashed. Whether they believe their own crap or are just making believe they believe is up for grabs.. All I know is that when I watched the news guys back in the day , I didn't think they were driving home in BMW's, Mercedes or really thinking I cared what their opinion was.
On vacation this week. So I'm sure i'll say a lot of s__it that people won't like.
"Don't let the bastards grind you down."
Red
I wonder if the journalists
Submitted by stratman on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 9:40pm.
I wonder if the journalists from the 40's and 50's were more on guard against bias in their reports after recognizing the harm done by the murderous propaganda of Hitler and Stalin?
stratman*
Submitted by cajun2 on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 9:50pm.
There is a reason they are called useful IDIOTS!Yeah, I think it's a
Submitted by stratman on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 10:17pm.
Yeah, I think it's a prerequisite for getting into J School these days.
:-)
Notice that the JournOList
Submitted by Van Halen on Tue, 11/30/2010 - 12:10am.
Notice that the JournOList newspapers and TV media are losing audience and advertisers in droves? Do you think the fact that they are so ridiculously out of touch and wildly Liberal Progressive has anything to do with it?
Yes, I think that the MSM
Submitted by stratman on Tue, 11/30/2010 - 1:08am.
Yes, I think that the MSM becoming progressively more out of touch with mainstraem America is losing them audience and advertising money.
But then again I'm a NewsBuster devotee. It's kind of a given around these parts. :-)
Mitchell & Lauer -- is that a bad Vaudeville act?
Submitted by Galvanic on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 5:28pm.
It must pain Mitchell to criticize her BFF Hillary Clinton.
As for Lauer's "messenger" statement, that's analogous to saying that the guy wielding the knife is merely the transportation for the murderous knife. He's not to blame.
Or the guy posting child porn on the web is just the "messenger" for the schmuck who took the images.
Surprising
Submitted by jon_torlin on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 5:37pm.
You know, I'm a bit surprised by some of the MSM, if they really wanted the best for this administration, you'd think they'd speak out against these wikileaks, but instead, they seem to be solidly in favor of anything that will hurt this country.
Don't get me wrong, I know this administration wants to hurt this country anyway, but wouldn't they have come to their defense instead of this nonsense?
Talk about not hiding anymore, sheesh.
-Jon
I think there are at least 3 contributing factors
Submitted by Galvanic on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 7:18pm.
1. The MSM is anti-war, and when this schmuck began leaking classified documents, I think they thought it was justified in order to end the wars.
2. They are disappointed in Obama, but they must figure that the leaks hurt Bush -- and consequently the GOP -- more than Obama gets hurt.
3. THE BIGGEST REASON: It sells periodicals and airtime at a point where the MSM are losing market share and feel they must do anything to compete.
Ah hah!
Submitted by DontFeedTheTrolls on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 5:38pm.
If Condoleezza Rice was involved, that means: this is all Bush's fault and Fearless Leader's hands are, once again, clean (and articulate).
Don't kid yourselves America,
Submitted by Barack_must_go..... on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 5:45pm.
Don't kid yourselves America, Obama is perfectly OK with what is happening here no matter what his regime states to the contrary.
If all of our allies stop confiding and turning to this country for aid and cover, he can use the saved money to overthrow our government all the more easily and quickly in his warped mind and according to his funda-MENTAL transformation manifesto.
This couldn't have worked out better for the Obama Socialist Regime if his secretive czars had implemented it themselves. I'm still not convinced they didn't have someting to do with this.
Barack_Must_Go.....
Rush Limbaugh, on his show
Submitted by Slyrr on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 5:57pm.
Rush Limbaugh, on his show today, called for major media news organizations to leak all of THEIR 'classified' internal material.
And he's right. If 'the people have a right to know' is the phrase they're cringing behind like cowards to justify their anti-americanism and to justify their happiness over the embarassment this has caused, then surely the 'people have a right to know' exactly what George Snuffaluffagus and all his cohorts are up to when they think no one's looking?
Curious how their frothing, rabid screeches of 'the right to privacy' disappears when they decide they don't care about it. When they want to humiliate America, there is no 'right to privacy', it's 'the people have a right to know'.
But if it's a question of keeping THEIR lying, cheating, stealing, perversion and scandals hidden - then suddenly it switches from 'the people have a right to know' to, 'the right to privacy'.
God will judge the hypocrites.
Why not?
Submitted by mzk1 on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 6:57pm.
Couldn't we pass a law removing all rights from the property of an organization that published such material? And imagive the government turned the tables, surreptitiously obtained all of theoir meterial (particularly advertising leads) and published it?
Yes in the hands of an Obama
Submitted by Dan The Man 2 on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 7:20pm.
Yes in the hands of an Obama government it is frightening.
I have a question. Where are
Submitted by Dan The Man 2 on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 6:05pm.
I have a question. Where are all the other nations secrets? If wikki really wants to show the truth then don't they have an obligation to show all sides?
In fact they did
Submitted by mzk1 on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 6:42pm.
From what I read, there's a lot of information there about other countries, such as the hypocricy of the Moslem world, asking us to bomb Iran and hiding it. I was absolutely incensed at what happened with the military material, but I kind of like the fact they they released the State material, showing the hypocricy of the Arab world, the Obama administration, and the thoroughly unamerican State department.
Those are still our secrets,
Submitted by Dan The Man 2 on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 7:22pm.
Those are still our secrets, I mean the secrets they keep. It seems the secret sale is only for one country.
I imagine Assange has
Submitted by UltraC on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 11:59pm.
I imagine Assange has difficulty obtaining other nations' secrets from their traitors. Nations like Iran and North Korea don't strike me as the type to coddle someone like PFC Manning.
But here in the U.S., you can have former National Security Advisor Sandy Berger accidentally shove classified documents in his pants, take them off the premises of the National Archives, and accidentally destroy them. Didn't he have to pay a fine and lose his security clearance for 3 years?
The longer Manning is breathing, the more encouraged are others whom would betray their country. The punishment must be severe because the stakes are high.
Were not these people upset
Submitted by bassndude on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 6:09pm.
Were not these people upset about all the climate gate emails?
Save a SeAL, club a liberal/troll!!
On the case
Submitted by jon_torlin on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 6:10pm.
Well, Eric Holder is on the case, so we know how this will end up.
-Jon
Jon, yes we do.
Submitted by Dave. on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 6:16pm.
Pfc. Manning will be out free on the streets, and Assange will be getting some sort of humanitarian award from the UN - and probably a Nobel Peace Prize to go along with it.
Seriously, it has gotten just that stoopid.
-Dave
You can bet 100% that someone in obama's socialistic
Submitted by williamhenley on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 6:19pm.
organization, i.e. Hillory C. or some tzar or Mooshell hermightyself, gave this information to Wikilinks. Nothing that is being put on the web is treasoness. Not one single document is classified Secrete. All of them are Confidentual only and this PFC is a fall guy. Having been in the Army for more than 12 years and having a top secrete clearance, I can tell you from personal experience that no private gets his hands on secrete info that could in any way harm the U.S.A. They, having the clearence, still must prove themselves, usually by being in the rank of E-6 or above.
This is all a method of diverting attention from the damage being done here in the home land. Keep your eye on the bouncing ball or obama will send us down the drain faster than you can blink your eyes.
drainage
Submitted by jon_torlin on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 7:19pm.
While I don't disagree with your assessment about who gave it to that guy to be a fall guy, and I also agree with the country going down the drain, I question the timing of this because the country already IS going down the drain thanks to the last years.
I saw a headline on drudge that suggested that Ass-Ange was doing this to tease or something along those lines.
And also, the more I see pictures of Ass-Ange, the more he seems like one of those sad wanne-be hackers he has this sick compulsion to do this no matter how right or wrong it is. He looks like the guy you just want to smack the crap out of on sight.
-Jon
It seems health information is more protected.
Submitted by drsamherman on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 7:32pm.
If it is that easy to sneak away with highly sensitive government information, personal health information seems to be more highly protected.
No one elected or voted for Wikileaks to be a guardian of anything more than its own publicity stunts.
Dr. Sam,
Submitted by Dave. on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 7:47pm.
I wouldn't be too sure of that, as the same government types who were supposed to be keeping our diplomatic and military secrets well, secret, is essentially going to be the same government types that will soon have all of our health records in their possession.
If they can't keep national security info under wraps, I would say our health info will be at least equally vulnerable.
Perhaps more so.
-Dave
Protected health information is already at risk.
Submitted by drsamherman on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 9:34pm.
Ask anyone who works as a health care professional or support staff. We have an entire army of health information specialists who are supposed to secure this information against leaks, and yet time and time again protected health information (known as "PHI") is routinely lost, subject to incorrect data entry or otherwise compromised.
I urge everyone to spend the $39 some time to do one of those background checks. Between the inaccuracies and the level of personal detail, it will give you a better picture of the information that is available simply for the payment.
This hurts to post a little........
Submitted by Tomorama on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 7:34pm.
I applaud Hilarity and Condi FOR spying on the UN, bleep them, when was the last time they spoke out in our favor considering theses d-bags take tons of cash from this supposed horrible country.
DEFUND NPR and DEFUND the UN as well.
I don't gather that the media would be so OK with these leaks if this were being done on Bush's watch, but then again they suck at doing there REAL JOBS.
Them two
Submitted by jon_torlin on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 9:33pm.
You know, and someone tell me if I'm wrong, but I'm getting the impression that Hillary is not liking the picture that she sees in front of her, even if she's doing "damage control" with the other world leaders about this.
She's got to be seeing the writing on the wall saying a bit more than "Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin" (from what I remember from church a long time ago) written in blood.
I know what kind of person she is, so am I wrong in that assessment?
-Jon
complicit
Submitted by Cowboy on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 7:35pm.
Hey, Lauer... ever hear the term "complicit"... ??
I wonder why
Submitted by 10ksnooker on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 7:56pm.
The leaker of the climate fraud was said to be a criminal? Weird classification.
Climategate leaks?
Submitted by Cowboy on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 8:02pm.
That would be the same Matt Lauer who joined the media's coverup of the Climategate leaks...
And in line with that Lower,
Submitted by hbnolikeee on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 11:11pm.
Your mouth is a vehicle for expelling fecal matter.
Matt, breaking national
Submitted by Cowboy on Tue, 11/30/2010 - 3:27am.
Matt, breaking national security laws surely "crosses a line"... "conspiracy to commit" at the very least...
Come on, NBC, use the words:
Submitted by CobraMan on Tue, 11/30/2010 - 4:21am.
Come on, NBC, use the words that is in all of your addled journalist minds: Saints and Prophets. That is how you see the "messengers." You can't deny it.
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States. The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus. The US Supreme Court
Or Anwar al-Awlaki.
Secrets?
Submitted by bobdog on Tue, 11/30/2010 - 12:42pm.
Secrets? With access by 3 million people?
The only way to keep a secret is for only two people to know about it, as long as one of them is dead.
I can't imagine a government even conceiving a communications system that gives access to unstable, low-level grunts like Manning to state secrets But then again, that was before Jamie Gorelick arrived on the scene and "fixed" the "problem" for us.
Frankly, my post here is more secret that a government email.