NBC's O'Donnell: Palin 'Rips the Heart Out of Her Opponents' in New Book
NBC correspondent Norah O'Donnell hyped Sarah Palin's criticism of her liberal opponents on Tuesday's Today show, stating that the former governor "rips the heart out of some of her opponents" in her new book. O'Donnell stated that Palin, "in very personal terms, also questions the President's [Obama's] patriotism, concluding he has 'a stark lack of faith in the American people.'"
The correspondent covered "America By Heart," the Republican's second book, for the second straight day. Anchor Matt Lauer introduced her report, which began 40 minutes into the 7 pm Eastern hour, by immediately noting Palin's attacks on Mr. Obama: "Sarah Palin's much-anticipated new book hits stores today. NBC News received an advanced copy last night, and the former Alaska governor is not holding back when it comes to President Obama." O'Donnell picked up where he left off: "Well, you know, her new book is called 'America By Heart.' It's full of what she calls 'reflections on faith, family and flag.' But with all the attacks on President Obama and others, some say it could be a handbook for her for a 2012 campaign."
After noting Palin's recent visibility due to her daughter Bristol's run on Dancing With the Stars and her TLC series, the NBC correspondent turned her attention on the Tea Party favorite's attacks on liberals: "Palin, it seems, is everywhere, plugging her book and settling some old scores." She continued with her lurid play on the title of the former Alaska governor's book, and read excerpts from it where Palin criticized Obama and Hillary Clinton:
O'DONNELL: Palin's book, 'America by Heart,' highlights some of her heroes, like Ronald Reagan, but it also rips the heart out of some of her opponents.
PALIN (from 2010 Tea Party Nation convention): How's that 'hopey-changey' stuff working out for you?
O'DONNELL: Palin says as hard as she worked to beat Mr. Obama in 2008, when he was elected- quote, 'I shared the feeling of almost desperate hope that many other Americans felt. Like them, like you, I love my country and want it to succeed. But a new morning in America hasn't broken over the Capitol dome.' In very personal terms, she also questions the President's patriotism, concluding he has 'a stark lack of faith in the American people.'
Some say the book offers a blueprint, clues on how she would attack Obama if she runs in 2012.
JAY NEWTON-SMALL, TIME MAGAZINE: Certainly, this book has all kinds of dog whistles for the base about what her messaging would be if she ran for president.
O'DONNELL: On Obama's signature legislative achievement, Palin writes, 'We don't consider the health care vote a done deal, not by a long shot. Instead it was a clarion call, a spur to action.' Palin also attacks Hillary Clinton, in what she calls her 'bra burning militancy' for this comment made in 1992, when Bill Clinton first ran for president.
HILLARY CLINTON: I suppose I could have stayed home and baked cookies and had teas, but what I decided to do was to fulfill my profession-
O'DONNELL: Palin says, 'Some of us like to bake cookies. Some of us also think we can do that and still have successful careers.'
Near the end of her report, O'Donnell turned to a New York Times reporter Robert Draper, who quite predictability questioned the Republican's suitability to be president:
O'DONNELL: All of the buzz and controversy is likely to produce a bestseller, but will it help show that Palin is qualified for the presidency?
ROBERT DRAPER: Going negative definitely will help spur sales, but voters want to see someone who can be soothing, who can project optimism, and who can seem like an executive, rather than someone who takes a swing at anyone who offends them.
On Monday's Today, the NBC correspondent joined her colleagues John Berman on ABC's Good Morning America and CBS's Bill Plante on The Early Show in highlighting former First Lady Barbara Bush's opposition to Palin. She also noted how "even the conservative magazine, The Weekly Standard, is going negative on Palin. The article says Palin's show 'has secured her a spot in the reality TV Star pantheon. And good for Palin, though there's no compelling reason to suggest the rest of us should tag along behind.'"
A week earlier, on November 15, O'Donnell played up a recent Gallup poll which found that "more than half of Americans, 52 percent view her negatively, making her the most divisive of all of the potential candidates in the 2012 Republican field."
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An eye for an eye
Submitted by Jimbo on Tue, 11/23/2010 - 4:47pm.
If we go by the rule of "an eye for an eye", then she has a few other hearts to rip out.
ROBERT DRAPER: Going negative
Submitted by WarEagle66 on Tue, 11/23/2010 - 4:58pm.
ROBERT DRAPER: Going negative definitely will help spur sales, but voters want to see someone who can be soothing, who can project optimism, and who can seem like an executive, rather than someone who takes a swing at anyone who offends them.
Please Robert, in your infinite wisdom, tell me how the Jump Shooter in Chief does any of what you say America wants....other than taking a swing at Bush every chance he gets...
The New York Times is a darn joke....and not a very funny one at that!
Marching Orders from Draper
Submitted by Galvanic on Tue, 11/23/2010 - 5:10pm.
The MSM is proscribing the acceptible behavior for Obama's opponents in 2012.
Exactly what MCain did.
Submitted by Dan The Man 2 on Tue, 11/23/2010 - 5:19pm.
Exactly what MCain did.
Libs Fear Palin
Submitted by Diesel on Wed, 11/24/2010 - 3:25pm.
"Libs will always tell you who (RINOs like McCain) they want us to run against them"~El Rushbo
I feel I acted "stupidly"
Submitted by Tomorama on Tue, 11/23/2010 - 5:08pm.
So when Obama said "Americans are basically a decent people, who sometimes listen to the wrong talk radio or cable chatter" or when he professed that we tend "to cling to our guns and religion" when times are tough, he was being patriotic and SHOWING HIS GREAT FAITH IN US?
My bad, I misunderstood as he is so brilliant.
Anyone else have any fabulous quotes from Sotero where he showed his faith in us and great patriotism?
When he bows to the world he shows strength also I guess?
Bueller, Bueller?
Well, we HAVE heard the
Submitted by killa37 on Tue, 11/23/2010 - 7:45pm.
Well, we HAVE heard the interview where Boy Blunder says that he DOESN'T like the way the Constitution is written, because it takes away too many powers FROM the Federal Government!!! I guess that's pretty patriotic....................
Obviously, what you heard was
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 11/23/2010 - 8:07pm.
Obviously, what you heard was what Limbaugh decided Obama meant, which mischaracterization you now dutifully repeat rather than what Obama actually said.
Jer
Well Jer, as an official liberal interpreter for Obama---
Submitted by matthewdean on Tue, 11/23/2010 - 9:04pm.
pray enlighten us poor conservatives as to what Obama did say; and, of course, what he really meant.
As Obama reportedly just hit 39% on the overall "approval" scale, Lord knows he needs your help.
MD
Jer, here
Submitted by Radical1979 on Tue, 11/23/2010 - 9:10pm.
Jer, here http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=79225 is the clip killa is talking about. You can hear it in Obama's own voice.
Rad...
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 11/23/2010 - 10:08pm.
Yeah, that's the interview I assumed killa had in mind and about which I had previously read the transcript. I think we need to avoid the rabid anti-Obama biases of the WorldNetDaily and Rush and stick to the actual words spoken by Obama. At no point did he "rip" the Constitution or assert or even imply it is flawed. He simply recognized the structural realities of the instrument as such were designed by the Founding Fathers and interpreted by generations of Supreme Court Justices--including those comprising the Warren Court--that defined and established limitations on what could be achieved through court action, and that the reliance on the latter by those seeking redistributive societal or economic solutions had been misplaced and misguided. To the extent those goals were achievable, a more appropriate avenue would lie with the legislatures and not the judiciary.
An acknowledgement of the negative contraints in the Constitution is a far cry from attacking it as a defective document. That accusation by Obama's critics was more a product of political antipathy toward the president than a fair analysis of his remarks.
Jer
Jer, while I will agree that
Submitted by Agnostic on Tue, 11/23/2010 - 10:42pm.
Jer, while I will agree that too much has been read into President Obama's statements there are some very disturbing messages for people who believe that freedom involves freedom from government restraints.
Speaking of the government pushing rights Obama made the comment, "...to invest formal rights in previously dispossessed people", and while the sentiment is correct the truth is that the dispossessed people always had those rights but they were illegally negated in several fashions. By creating stating that the government can grant rights outside of those acknowledged in the Constitution you start down the road of a divided nation and you don't solve the original problem as quickly as you do when holding those taking illegal actions to account for their actions. Crime and punishment not legislate and legislate.
The quote for most is, "(The Constitution) Says what the federal government can't do to you, but doesn't say what the federal government or state government must do on your behalf. Obama doesn't actually say that this is a bad thing but in context he is clear that it more limiting then he believes it should be. Obama spoke often and freely about what the government should do for its people and rarely about what people should do for themselves - though he did in his Father's Day speech.
It is the opinion of Conservatives that they don't need government intrusion in their lives (leaving aside the many calls for regulation, banning and censorship for a moment) and the idea of an administration which thinks the greatest thing the government can do is decide who gets what, when and how is a bit terrifying. Socialism has so many shining examples of failures not because the idea of being socially responsible is a bad idea but because socialism requires that it be controlled by fallible humans who must not only decide day-to-day what people will need but also be able to predict what they will need in the future in an ever increasingly scarce environment. It takes a person with a great ego to believe they are such a person.
Jer, based on what killa
Submitted by Radical1979 on Tue, 11/23/2010 - 10:37pm.
Jer, based on what killa said, that Obama doesn't like the Constitution takes away to many powers from the federal government, this supports him. Killa didn't use the word, "rip". Killa did imply that Obama doesn't like that our Constitution has not been "interpreted" for economic "justice". Surely that is true. I don't see where Obama says that the legislature should be used to bring about those changes.
Obama clearly wants those changes, and I presume that because those changes are not allowable based on our Constitution, Obama does see it as flawed.
Rad...
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 11/24/2010 - 4:15am.
"But Obama, then an Illinois state lawmaker, said the legislative branch of government, rather than the courts, probably was the ideal avenue for accomplishing that goal."
That is a direct quote from the article you linked at WorldNetDailly which contained the embedded video of the Obama 2001 interview. Actually, it is an inference drawn from Obama's response to a caller during the interview, but I believe, like WND, the inference is a proper one.
True, killa didn't use the word "rip" nor did I claim that he did. That was WND's term. And Rush added his customary pejorative buzz-words such as "perverted" "Marx" "Soviet Union"-- all of which were designed to convey the notion that Obama has no respect for the Constitution, and then fit it in with the "hatred of America" narrative the Right has been vigorously pushing against the President.
Think of it this way: I would imagine a Second Amendment absolutist would have preferred the drafters of the Constitution omit the pesky reference to a "well-regulated militia" and add a phrase such as "and we hereby affirm the right of every citizen to own and carry weapons and/or firearms wherever and whenever it is so desired, without any interference, infringement, or regulatory action by or on behalf of any state or agency thereof." Would the mere recognition that such language doesn't exist--even expressed disappointment at its absence--be tantamount to a rejection of the entire document? Of course not. But that is precisely the type of faulty extrapolation which is being embraced by Obama's detractors.
Jer
Pretty sanctemonious answer,
Submitted by killa37 on Tue, 11/23/2010 - 9:44pm.
Pretty sanctemonious answer, Jer...........but I wouldn't expect anything less from you. Actually, I have the interview on my computer to listen to.....I got it before it made it onto Rush's show, and I'm not sure if I ever caught it on Rush's show anyway, given my work schedule. Boy Blunder DID say what he said.................it's all right there, and I'm sticking to what I said.
Maybe you should go back to the math sfuff..........you were pretty proud of youself for busting my chops on a tenth of a percent a couple weeks ago, and you even lowered the USA's mathematical status in the world by ONE level , because of my stupidity!!!
Well, killa---
Submitted by matthewdean on Tue, 11/23/2010 - 10:16pm.
Down-thread, Jer says Michelle's own words are acceptable as proof about an Affirmative Action influence in getting her into college.
Wonder if Barack's own words relating his discontent with the way the Constitution was worded by the founding fathers, reference wealth distribution, will play out the same with Jer's final perception?
MD
As If
Submitted by miss911ninja on Tue, 11/23/2010 - 10:36pm.
And Matthew, remember also that E.T. Hands is discontent with the words of the Declaration of Independence. A couple of times recently, he left out the "endowed by their Creator" part when he spoke about our "unalienable Rights," as if he cared.
ninja---
Submitted by matthewdean on Tue, 11/23/2010 - 11:26pm.
I'm sure Jer has what he feels is an adequate explanation for those pearls of wisdom (or lack of words altogether) dispensed by his messiah.
Only liberals can see the greatness of the bunny-hopper; and it is incumbent on us lesser mortals to cling to the definition of his words as supplied by all-knowing liberals, rather than to our guns and religion.
MD
I'm stickin' to what I heard
Submitted by killa37 on Tue, 11/23/2010 - 11:46pm.
I'm stickin' to what I heard and what I wrote.........and it appears that everyone else here has a similiar take on this issue - except Jer, of course, But we've got to remember that he's a lawyer and a lib, so he'll go to great lengths to prove any point that is, in his mind, correct. There IS a reason why 95% of lawyers and libs make the other 5% look bad!!!
And let's not forget that Boy Blunder is/was (according to rumor) a lawyer........and even a 'Constitutional lawyer'??? And you can't figure out where he's coming from during that interview??? What did Nurse Ratchett say about 'suspending reality', or whatever she said??
As for the 'nigra dialect'.............I don't know what ol' Jer is talking about...........over here we have a lot of 'pidgen English', and sometimes I use those phrases.................maybe Jer's racist against the locals here in Hawaii??? Well................probably just me.
This is what Jer is talking about:
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 11/24/2010 - 3:07am.
#14 The Jerk was definitly TRYINGSubmitted by killa37 on Sun, 11/07/2010 - 11:46pm.
The Jerk was definitly TRYING to do some modern version of the jerk................hell, this guy got his dancing genes from the 'white' side of his DNA.................I've never seen a 'bruttha' look so honkey hokey in my life!!!
And the Misses??? Well, she's got the bloodline to have the rhythm, but 'lawd have moicy' she has some serious boot!!!! And some serious fashion issues.................
Ahhhhhhhh...........Boy Blunder and his wife party hardy while American keeps sinking........
Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/rusty-weiss/2010/11/07/obama-s-dance-moves-he-still-has-yes-we-can-charisma#ixzz16BM35yj0
Now, I've noticed your use of terms like "Tru dat!" numerous times which I assumed were examples of your island 'pidgen English' lingo. But the "lawd have moicy" expression appeared to represent a different venacular, especially in the context of the rest of your post. I'm not accusing you of racism. I wouldn't presume to know what's in your heart, and contrary to what Matthew or you or anyone else claims, I don't deal out race cards. I despise the practice. But I do believe you have been a little too loose with the racially-loaded words and phrases. You have every right to continue to post comments precisely as you have in the past, and I fully expect you to do so. And I understand your view that I'm being a sanctimonious busy-body attempting to impose certain "politically correct" standards which are unwanted and unwelcome here. Well, I'm not trying to dictate behavior, but I do reserve the right to object to conduct and comments where and when I think it appropriate. And while you and others may disagree, in my opinion the above-referenced post was out of line.
Jer
OK Jer........let me repeat
Submitted by killa37 on Wed, 11/24/2010 - 3:31am.
OK Jer........let me repeat something I've told you before - your 'opinion' of whatever you think about me is like a fart- it comes out, it stinks up the joint, and everybody hopes that it disappears quickly!!! And.................yep, I DID write that!!! No apologies, no regrets, no second thoughts..............in fact, I'll write it again, in case you didn't get it the first time!!!
And, like I've told you before........you've got too much time on your hands...............you actually check around the website to verify what I've written??? Jeez man, you're bored!!!! Especially considering I'm NOT going to change my tune!!! I know you consider yourself to be some kind of an intellectual..........but I'm just a dumb white blue collar hater...................and I'm VERY sure of what I think!!! I didn't go to college, but I have a PhD in common sense............
I'll tell you something else, meat...................I know more about 'race' than you'll ever be able to phathom..........you don't know anything about Hawaii and how things work here. And I've had multiple races, creeds, religions, political beliefs, ethnic cultures, and attitudes on my jobs, and in my life..........for many many years........and I KNOW how to deal with them all!!! I don't meet a person and immediatly make some judegment about any of that..................but I WILL make a judgement, once I start to figure things out. So.............I'm quite capable of liking and accepting a person, or NOT liking and NOT accepting - and all points in between - based on WHO THEY ARE...............and not on any pre-conceived opinion!!! If you looked at my array of friends, or even looked at my books at my music collection...........you'd go crawl back into your dank little basement, because you dont' have the slightest idea what you;'re talking about..........but what else is new???
So take your dumbass 'politically correct' opinions and f**k the hell off............you're just another simpy ass dweeby lib who will be begging guys like me to 'get your back' when your delusional world finally crumbles around you...............and I WON'T be offering any help, because guys like you ARE the reason that our country is going down the tubes..............
And, by the way..............don't try and tell me what, or what not, I can post here............I've got just as much right to be here as you...........and you'll notice that I NEVER come up behind you to snap at your weak-ass pathetic little ankles.
killa...did you even read my
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 11/24/2010 - 4:26am.
killa...did you even read my post? Apparently not. But, here's a news flash, sport: Just like you, I'll comment as I see fit. And if you can't stand the heat, that's your problem. No, you don't come up behind me and snap at my ankles. You post your snide and childish remarks about me behind my back...just as I would expect from a chickenshit little coward like you.
Jer
That last post from killa, Jer---
Submitted by matthewdean on Wed, 11/24/2010 - 4:36am.
Damn sure wasn't behind your back.
The mid-terms hit you harder than I thought.
LOL.
Maybe your boy will make it in 2012 and you can be happy again.
Boy?
Oops.
MD
Matthew, the midterms didn't
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 11/24/2010 - 4:53am.
Matthew, the midterms didn't bother me in this slightest. The only surprise was that I thought the Repubs would come even closer to taking the Senate.
Obviously, killa is so thin-skinned he's practically transparent. He wouldn't last ten minutes at a lib website.
Jer
Jer---
Submitted by matthewdean on Wed, 11/24/2010 - 4:57am.
In all honesty, I do not think killa is thin skinned.
In any way, shape, or form.
He just says what he thinks.
I think that is commendable.
You, however, take offense.
Unsure what you mean by saying he wouldn't last ten minutes on a lib website.
Who in their right mind would want to go on a lib
Oh.
Never mind.
MD
Matthew
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 11/24/2010 - 5:04am.
Is there any point at which you would cease to believe killa's "saying what he thinks" [i.e. engaging in racial mockery of the Obamas] is commendable?
Jer
Jer---
Submitted by matthewdean on Wed, 11/24/2010 - 6:30am.
I never have been able to get through to you just how badly I dislike Obama.
If you think Obama has been mistreated by some words typed on a thread in a blog site that is further from Obamas' personal existence than Dorothy's farmhouse was from the Land of Oz, then you are entirely too sensitive about race relations.
If you feel so badly about what you observed growing up in the Jim Crow South, don a hair shirt and do penance.
It is my opinion that Obama has not only done nothing commendable, he has done so many things diametrically opposed to commendability that there are not enough bad words to describe him.
To answer your question directly, at no point would I consider any criticism of Obama's performance out of line.
If someone uses blatant racial putdowns and insults towards Obama personally, they should be called on it; but I believe too many liberals would use the phrase "racial mockery" when there was nothing more involved than the mockery part.
That is the unseen insidiousness of political correctness when it comes to defending against charges of racism.
MD
The "white guilt" card
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 11/24/2010 - 6:05pm.
The "white guilt" card doesn't mean jack to me, Matthew, so you may as well put it back in your deck. And if you don't believe "boy" and "monkey" and "half-breed" are racially insensitive terms when associated with African-Americans you need to crack open a history book or just apply a little common sense.
Jer
Jer---
Submitted by matthewdean on Thu, 11/25/2010 - 1:46am.
Spare me your bleeding heart, sympathetic, liberal bullshit.
"Boy" is a word in the English language. If you choose to see it as being used in an offensive way, that is your problem.
"Monkey" is a word in the English language. If you choose to see it as being used in an offensive manner, that, too, is your problem.
"Half-breed" also is a word in the English language. In the mid to late 1800's, it was likely used derogatorily more towards the offspring of White-Indian congress than towards blacks of mixed race.
If any black person believes these words are being used acrimoniously, I am quite sure that they will see to it that the situation will be handled appropriately.
My basic concern with racial relations is that I only care that race-baiting blacks and pusillanimous liberals like you can malign me as a racist, not get called out for doing so, and then have the nerve to tell me to "crack" open a history book or apply a "little common sense".
Typical of you to tout your non-racist status by accusing others of being inconsiderate at the least, and racist at worst.
Deflect away, while you continue to demonstrate a disgusting, liberal, holier-than-thou one-sidedness.
Bozo.
MD
I'm still trying to catch up
Submitted by killa37 on Wed, 11/24/2010 - 1:27pm.
I'm still trying to catch up with this blown up thread........and I figured out a couple things on the timeline - our power went out last night, so I never checked anything here until this morning.
I don't know about being thin-skinned.........I know how to take care of myself, but the main question would be - why the hell would I hang around a lib website??? How much of my time do I want to waste?? All I have to do is catch ANY MSM outlet, and I'm up to speed on the libs. And, believe it or not, I DO listen to (occasionally, just to keep my little peabrain engaged, although I never learn much) Stephanie Miller, the Sarge...............and, God, I hate to admit this, but I even listened to BadAir American when it was on............with Al Franken - who is a complete self-appointed fool, and that nasty chick..........what the hell is her name?? Rocky Roads?? Oh yeah.......Randi Rhodes - not to be confused with the late, great guitarist.
Oh.....this place is teeming with libs..........I have 'discussions' with many of them. They usually don't want to talk to me after one or two conversations.......at least not about anything that matters!!! Which is fine with me.........at least they know where I stand.
Actually, 'Lawd have moicy'
Submitted by killa37 on Wed, 11/24/2010 - 12:42pm.
Actually, 'Lawd have moicy' is one of my favorite phrases!!! I'm a blues collector - uh, most of those guys are 'black' - and they use it a lot, and it sounds great!!!
killa...
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 11/24/2010 - 5:37am.
I need to say a few things to you:
--First and foremost, I do not believe you are a racist. I am not accusing you of racism.
--You may know as much about "race" as I do, but, unless you grew up in the Jim Crow South of the 50's and 60's as I did, there is no way you know more about the subject than I do.
--I am very sorry for any negative implications I may have made regarding your attitudes toward persons of whatever racial identity. And I also apologize for the intemperate and insulting personal remarks in my more recent posts.
--It's just a political blog, and sometimes I take things too seriously and let my emotions get the better of me. I give you my word there will be no more complaints or objections from me concerning the nature and style of your comments, and any future disagreements will be based strictly on matters of disputable fact.
Again, my sincerest apologies...
Jer
Jer?
Submitted by Denny Crane on Wed, 11/24/2010 - 6:18am.
You're breaking from the mold
Are you feeling OK this early in the morning?
;-)
"Lib free or die" Denny Crane
We Are The 53%
Wow, boys and girls!!! I just
Submitted by killa37 on Wed, 11/24/2010 - 12:37pm.
Wow, boys and girls!!! I just woke up here in Hawaii.......look at all the fun and games I've been missing since I went to bed last night!!!
Considering how this whole conversation started - on a COMPLETELY different subject - I'm mildly astonished that the thread has been blown up completely in the direction of 'racism', and WHO brings it up every time???
I grew up here in Hawaii......in 'reverse' racism - I WAS the 'victim', although I never looked at it that way..........are we not men?? I've been self-employed for 30 years, and in that time I've hired, either directly or indirectly (which means giving someone a job, paying them, their taxes, social security, Medicaire, numerous insurances, unemployment, medical, bla bla bla bla), and in that time I've had Hawaiian, Tahitians, Tongans, Samoans, Chinese, Japanese, Phillipino, Thai, Indonesian, Micronesian, Mexican, Brazilian, Ecuadorian, Peruvian, Puerto Rican, Canadian, German, Portuguese, French, Jewish...........and all kinds of mixes of these 'races'..........as well as good old Americans. (Well, they were ALL either Americans or here LEGALLY!!!) And I'm sure I've forgotten some. I've even had a gay guy or two on my jobs, I think..........and I know that I hired two lesbians to do some housecleaning. I don't think I've had a transgender or my job yet, or a Moooooooooooooooooslem, although I had a mid-eastern guy who gave me some inside scoop on the 'religion of peace'. Maybe I need to go hire a transsexual Mooooooooooooooooslem to round out my resume!!!
So.....my point is............I don't wanna hear about race!!!! Been there, done that, got the T-shirt to prove it...................and I'm bored allready.
Jer, I don't know anything about sneaking up behind you like a chicken shit........the only time I've ever talked to you is when you showed up first. I don't mind conversation, but if somebody's gonna lay out some crap, it's toilet time, and I'm doing the flushing.
You seem really hung up on some of the things that I've said........I'd say calling Obama 'Boy Blunder' is rather mild, considering what a disaster he is. And, NO.......he can't dance, or throw a baseball, or shoot a basketball, or even speak extemporaneously.......and that has NOTHING to do with his 'race'. And...........yep............I DID say those other things that you repeated......and I sure as hell could say the same thing about a 'white' guy, or any other color, for that matter. And I'll tell you why WE have a field day with Mooooooochelle's posterior, in case you can't figure it out - she seems to think that she is the queen of the 'food police' and want's to tell US how and what to eat...............and, looking at her - do you think she has any credibility??? So she's fair game, as far as I'm concerned.
Anyway ,Jer.............I'm not too wrapped up about the way things go here sometimes, because I know that people have different opinions.........but I'll say mahalo (thanks) for the apology. I'll apologize back to you for any personal statements I've made to you......but I won't apologize for anything I've ever written with regards to the subject matter at hand.
Aloha and Happy Thanksgiving!!!
To Jer and killa---
Submitted by matthewdean on Wed, 11/24/2010 - 4:44pm.
Very cool move(s) on the part of you both.
As a probably too mouthy part of the exchanges, I rejoice that all is forgiven, and that nobody is hunting me down.
Or are they? :oD
MD
MD........you??? Too
Submitted by killa37 on Wed, 11/24/2010 - 7:27pm.
MD........you??? Too mouthy??? Who woodda thunk??? Hahahahahahahaha!!!!!
Eh, there's a toe on the line
Submitted by RESTLESS 1 on Wed, 11/24/2010 - 3:40am.
But I don't see racism there. If blacks insist on speaking in a different venacular, presumably to differentiate themselves from white America, (I didin't know we were two different countries), then why is it racist to notice?
If Killa were using the venacular to mock the mentally disabled, then I could see your point. You aren't saying that blacks lack the intellictual capacity to speak correct English, are you?
Restless...simple question:
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 11/24/2010 - 4:48am.
If you were an African-American and aware of killa's posting history [e.g. calling "Boy Blunder" Obama a "half-breed cocksu*ker" and comparing him to a "monkey"...multiple disparaging references to the size of the first lady's posterior] would you interpret the post I referenced as "racially insensitive"?
Jer
Simple answer: No
Submitted by RESTLESS 1 on Wed, 11/24/2010 - 12:49pm.
Not so simple answer: "boy blunder" alludes, as far as I'm concerned, to "boy wonder". You see, the 0 thinks of himself as Batman, but he ain't even a good Robin.
"Half-breed co$#sucker", well, only one of these has been verified.
"Monkey": "Chimpy McHitler"- Need I say more?
And the first lady does have a fat ass. That's not endemic to blacks, though. Just ask any TSA screener.
Have a happy Thanksgiving all.
You mean BOTH of those
Submitted by killa37 on Wed, 11/24/2010 - 1:08pm.
You mean BOTH of those haven't been verified??? And may I remind you that I DID take some heat for insulting Curious George!!!! Of course, when Bush was being compared in similiar terms, it was OK.
Happy Thanksgiving to all..............and I hope that the newly 'pardoned' turkey doesn't have to go through any airport screening.........it would be the equivilent of a 'goosed goose'!!!!
Just for the record,
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 11/24/2010 - 5:45pm.
Just for the record, Bush has never been described by me in such manner, nor was it ever OK with me-- points which I have previously made clear.
Jer
Well, Restless...
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 11/24/2010 - 6:15pm.
I would be interested in seeing the results of a survey of African-American opinion on the issue. I could be wrong, but I believe the majority of even the most politically conservative ones would disagree with you.
Hope you have a happy Thanksgiving as well.
Jer
Conjecture
Submitted by RESTLESS 1 on Thu, 11/25/2010 - 2:32am.
Alas, I believe the likes of Walter Williams, Allan Keyes, Allen West would agree with me. Maybe someday we can ask them.
Third person Jer---
Submitted by matthewdean on Wed, 11/24/2010 - 4:03am.
A reasonable post.
Problem is, you , like me, view most events through the prism of your ideological eccentricities, and cannot, as a rule, see that what you consider as actions relevant to being a standup guy, a liberal berating conservatives over what you perceive to be racist remarks, is actually no more earth-shattering than being just a liberal who disagrees with conservatives.
Who appointed you as the official arbiter of what is, or is not, either out of line, borderline, or too racially sensitive to put in a line?
No one. You ride to battle on your conscience. Too bad you didn't have a sit down with your conscience prior, and talk things over a bit before riding off hell bent for leather.
In trying to tie the phrase "lawd have moicy" to killa's tail as if it were a racist statement, you seem to neglect that southerners talk with a drawl, and that the pronunciation "moicy" would likely come out of the old Five Points section of Brooklyn.
You try and slide effortlessly by because you think mentioning a possible nexus with previous posts by killa will somehow makes the case for attenuation by context.
That might work in court, but on a thread, not so much. It is next to impossible to wring any type of nuance out of a typed word without heavy injections of your personal prejudices.
You say to killa, "I'm not accusing you of racism".
You say you don't deal out race cards. You despise the practice, you say.
I say, despite you reserving the right to object to conduct and comments where and when you think it appropriate, that you have not proved your case regarding not flicking the race card.
MD
Matthew...do you believe
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 11/24/2010 - 4:35am.
Matthew...do you believe there is a distinction between accusing someone of uttering or publishing racially insensitive remarks and accusing someone of racism? If you do, then there is some common ground for understanding motive and intent in this area of discourse and conduct. If you don't, then your conclusion must be that I am playing the race card and there is little chance of convincing you otherwise.
Jer
Jer---
Submitted by matthewdean on Wed, 11/24/2010 - 4:49am.
Of course there is a distinction between accusing someone of uttering or publishing racially insensitive remarks and accusing someone of racism.
There is an enormous chasm between the two.
The problem, Jer, is that liberals and Democrats so screwed up the delineation between the two, for purely selfish political reasons, that now all bets are off as far as I'm concerned.
Your intentions may be pure as the driven snow, but as you are a liberal Democrat, I don't fully trust you.
You represent an outlook that is anathema to me.
Consider yourself, if you are truly pure at heart, as merely collateral damage from the unlimited, unforgiving, and unforgettable race card flicking activities engendered by your Lib-Dim brethren.
MD
MD...
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 11/24/2010 - 5:00am.
And as you know or should know--but I'm sure you'll criticize me again for pointing it out--I've been condemning the race-card flicking Dems from virtually my first day of posting at this website. But if you insist on convicting me of crimes committed by others, there apparently is little I can do about that either.
Jer
Jer---
Submitted by matthewdean on Wed, 11/24/2010 - 5:35am.
I have no problem with someone standing up and speaking out against racism.
Unfortunately, as I alluded to earlier, it only seems to matter when racism rears it's ugly head, real or imagined, against blacks.
For far too long, I have watched people with skin the color of mine, take undeserved hits from the likes of Jackson, Sharpton, et al; racist bastards, every one. To the core.
I saw your digs at killa, all along, as unnecessarily vituperative and indicative of absolutely nothing more than either white liberal guilt, or a chance to score points against a conservative via the race card.
I am the one who stated it is virtually impossible to wring nuance out of a typed word, but I will tell you that my impression of what you have posted back at killa using his own words as examples, has exhibited nothing more on your part than a desire to play beat down with the race card used as a club, hefted through your personal interpretation of what was said rather than how he meant the wording to be understood.
I base this on the fact that killa speaks his mind. The fact that he may come across as less than a stalwart practitioner of political correctness should be considered an asset as far as I'm concerned.
But then, you and I agree on very, very few things.
MD
md...
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 11/24/2010 - 5:54am.
Well, I have apologized to killa and pledged to him I will never utter another word of complaint about his posts...
so to generalize rather than personalize the issue, what you are saying is that there is absolutely no line to be crossed as long as the target is a liberal. And I just find that attitude to be utterly insensible.
Jer
No Jer---
Submitted by matthewdean on Wed, 11/24/2010 - 6:51am.
I believe, in my personal and private life, in live and let live.
If a liberal were to inadvertently step on my toes, no harm, no foul.
If a liberal decides to tell me how correct he is in his personal ideology, again, it is a free country.
When a liberal tells me how and why he is correct and then proceeds to tell me how and why I am incorrect in my beliefs, then he has thrown down the gauntlet, and placed himself in my sights.
All bets, at that point, are off.
I don't pal around with liberals. I have no friends who are liberal. That is my choice.
The only liberals I interact with are here at NBs, and quite honestly, I had only an inkling at best coming in, that you people were so damned weird.
I find the overall liberal concept and attitude to be utterly insensible.
MD
Wow MD
Submitted by Denny Crane on Wed, 11/24/2010 - 7:44am.
You must get awfully lonely in California!!!!
How no earth could those people elect a governor knicknamed "moonbeam"???
"Lib free or die" Denny Crane
We Are The 53%
Denny---
Submitted by matthewdean on Thu, 11/25/2010 - 3:53am.
For years there was a group known as the "Silent Majority".
In a way it describes conservatives today, people who, generally speaking, are willing to go along to get along.
Unfortunately, history has shown that Rep./Dem. politics is cyclical, and most people float along happily until the group currently in power extends itself further than common sense would dictate, and ends up getting tossed out through the elective process.
It was said long ago that when the voting public realizes it can vote itself benefits, the decline will begin.
A similar statement that is especially true as regards liberal Democrats like Obama, is:
"When you rob Peter to pay Paul, you can rely on Paul's support."
The decline began with LBJ's "Great Society", mid 1960's, and the slippery slope gets steeper each time a Dem takes office; exponentially so when they manage to consolidate power as the Obama Administration did in the 2008 election.
California has been ruled by Dems in Sacramento, seemingly forever. On occasion in the once Golden State, conservatives rise to the challenge presented. All too often though, an unelected federal judge rules against the majority vote.
I honestly can't say whether or not this one time beautiful place to live has a chance to survive illegals, earthquakes, the Hollywood weirdo elite, and the clowns in the capital city.
As far as Moonbeam Jerry Brown, he is of the unaware, the unapologetic for what he did the first time through as governor, and apparently is also of the undead.
Voting these %&**$@#% 's out of office is like trying to shovel back the tide with a pitchfork.
MD
Too true MD
Submitted by Denny Crane on Thu, 11/25/2010 - 8:56pm.
Someday I will go back to Hawaii, I just hope it survives being the most liberal state in the Union.
"Lib free or die"
We Are The 53%
Right, killa...and what Obama
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 11/23/2010 - 10:16pm.
Right, killa...and what Obama did say and what you said he said are entirely different. But, it's exactly what I would expect from you.
Now, how about entertaining us with some more of your side-splitting 'nigra dialect' riffs.
Jer
What is it with you, Jer---
Submitted by matthewdean on Tue, 11/23/2010 - 11:27pm.
wherein about every other month, like clockwork, you get onto your lame assed liberal soapbox with these racial charges?
You have read, here at NBs if nowhere else, that the race card is no longer working effectively, but you are going to continue to use it?
You just went on in a very recent post about how I use deflection, rather than argue a point, and yet you do the exact same thing.
Is it that you somehow got special dispensation, or are you doing the liberal fallback; whatever you do, accuse the other side of doing it.
But then, it's exactly what I have come to expect of you.
Better to accuse than ask what "pidgin" English is.
MD
Are you keeping score, Matthew?
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 11/23/2010 - 11:42pm.
Are you keeping score, Matthew?
If so, you might note that the "Democrats in general--and Obama in particular--are racists" card is played virtually every day here. The fact that I, "every other month or so", point out the racial context or connotation of a comment here and there should be of no great concern to you, unless I have done so unfairly and improperly--which isn't the case.
Jer
Not sure how racism fits here
Submitted by RESTLESS 1 on Tue, 11/23/2010 - 11:57pm.
But the 0 did seem to lament that the Constitution is a charter of "negative liberties", that it says what govt. can't do to you, but doesn't say what govt. can do for you.
What liberals don't seem to understand, is that whatever it is that govt. can do for us, save national secuirty, can be better done for us by ourselves.
I'll tell ya, Restless, the
Submitted by killa37 on Wed, 11/24/2010 - 12:10am.
I'll tell ya, Restless, the way 'national security' has been going.........at the airports, our shipping ports, our borders, abroad, and other arenas............I'm not too sure if the Federal Government IS up to the job anymore..............hell, we're beating OURSELVES in the name of some sort of 'fairness' or 'political correctness' or 'equality' or whatever...............it's sickening!!!!!
And I'm NOT trying to be derogitory towards the people actually DOING the work, generally speaking..........it has to do with the policies being sent down from 'on high'..............
Ya have a point Killa
Submitted by RESTLESS 1 on Wed, 11/24/2010 - 12:35am.
But when I say national security, I generally mean the military. As far as I'm concerned, the TSA, NHS, et al should go away. Money down the drain, and they ain't very good, given their leadership.
The airlines could do better with security on their planes if given the authority.
OK........I agree with you on
Submitted by killa37 on Wed, 11/24/2010 - 12:50am.
OK........I agree with you on that one...........actually, my father took an early retirement, as an officer in the US Army, during the Vietnam War - mainly BECAUSE it was being run as a political operation, as opposed to a military operation............and I'd venture to say that things have gotten worse since then, with regards to that category. But the military is very good and very well trained..........and , if they were given an objective - and left alone to acheive it - they would always be successful.
These other agencies.................yeah, you're right...........waste of time, money, energy.
Here's a statement that just might blow up this thread - if it hasn't allready been blown up : turn over these 'security' operations to Blackwater and/or the Israeli security apparatus!!!!
Or.........let the airlines run their own private security.........hell, they might just do what I wrote in the previous paragraph!!!!
They were successful in Vietnam
Submitted by RESTLESS 1 on Wed, 11/24/2010 - 1:18am.
But the media turned against it and the potheads needed something to rebel against.
The soldiers were successful.
(Thanks to your dad for serving. He was a hero, media and potheads be damned).
And here you are, Jer---
Submitted by matthewdean on Wed, 11/24/2010 - 12:12am.
pretending, as liberals are wont to do, that the preponderance of evidence of the actual use of the race card, initially and perpetually, not only does not belong to the Lib-Dims, but you attempt to ignore the fact that slamming Lib-Dims like you right between your running lights by turning it back on you, leaves you with only the option of pointing out what miscreants we conservatives are for throwing it back in your face, as if you somehow didn't deserve the same sort of trash talk you throw at us..
You damn right the race issue is brought up here, by conservatives.
I see it as fighting back.
I believe purple-lips is as racist as they come, along with his long time pastor and mentor, Jeremiah Wright.
I don't particularly care what you think about it, because you and I are on adamantly oppositional sides.
While I consider that the best defense is sometimes going on offense, if that action turns out to be offensive to a liberal, all the better.
MD
What's A Madrassa, Lib-Dim?
Submitted by miss911ninja on Wed, 11/24/2010 - 12:56am.
You just have to hear this! (I'm changing the subject a bit, but still talking about a Lib-Dim.)
Remember when Whoopi walked off the set of The View because BO'R said "Muslims attacked us on 9/11?" Well Whoopi was a guest on his show tonight, and she was trying to school Bill about Muslim sensitivities. The conversation drifted to Muslims overseas, and Bill took the opportunity to mention madrassas, pausing for a moment to ask Whoopi if she knew what a madrassa was.
SHE DIDN'T KNOW!
So Bill politely explained what a madrassa was, and how there are thousands of them all over the middle east, and Whoopi said something like, "Well, that could be true..." and Bill said it IS true blah blah blah and then I turned off the TV in disgust.
This woman is constantly running her mouth about Islam and she doesn't know JACK! This is probably why a lot of the Lib-Dims act so self righteous and indignant when someone indicates they have a problem with Islam. They're just totally IGNORANT about what Islam is all about!
ninja---
Submitted by matthewdean on Wed, 11/24/2010 - 1:08am.
Amazingly so.
I often think a Lib-Dims desire to go against anything a conservatve is for, and vice versa, blinds them to what is so obvious to others.
MD
Well, MD, you KNOW that the
Submitted by killa37 on Wed, 11/24/2010 - 1:20am.
Well, MD, you KNOW that the always lovely and eloquent Miss Ninjie-Poo is precient in her comments and knowledge of the Mooooooooooslems!!!! And a lot of other subjects too.
And, by the way...............ARF ARF!!!!
U NO DAT!!!!! (a little 'nigra dialect',as per Jer's request.................only problem is, the local boys would be highly offended if they heard him call it 'nigra dialect'...........maybe he ought to go talk to Harry Reid - one of the cornerstones of the lib agenda.
killa---
Submitted by matthewdean on Wed, 11/24/2010 - 1:40am.
ninja has it together, mos def.
If the mosque - Ground Zero issue flairs back up, I will start using her "I am Islamosavvy" tag line again.
The two v's so close together make them look like a "w".
With a w in pIace of the v's, it becomes I am Islamosawy, which sounds like Elmer Fudd apologizing for Islam.
I like that, too, as Islam is "sorry".
Oh, maybe I should amend that to "the radical Islamic fringe jihadists are sorry", so as not to offend Whoopi Goldberg. That would be racist.
Speaking of racist, our house lib, Jer, is quite selective in deciding who, or what, is racist.
Although, on the off chance I missed it, I fully expect to hear about how he rained hellfire and epithets on LBJ, Robert Byrd, and Harry Reid for making questionable remarks reference blacks.
MD
Jeez MD.........after that
Submitted by killa37 on Wed, 11/24/2010 - 2:09am.
Jeez MD.........after that Elmer Fudd remark, I'm inclined to believe that you've had an extra adult beverage tonight!!! Hahahahahaha!!! Hey..........I'm a big fan of ludicrous-ness!!! Is that even a word????
Ahh........Jer........I think he's a masochist, but probably a 'nice' guy otherwise.........he just likes to come up behind people and nip at their ankles, and when he gets his face kicked, for some reason he feels that he's succeeded........................
ARF ARF!!!!!
LOL
Submitted by RESTLESS 1 on Wed, 11/24/2010 - 2:17am.
An apt description there Killa.
I do like Jer, but he does defend all that is liberal with a white knuckled fury.
RESTLESS---
Submitted by matthewdean on Wed, 11/24/2010 - 2:33am.
Jer, indeed, has his moments.
I believe most liberals are a tad too sensitive to get much past "righteously indignant", but Jer has that act down pat.
I think, too, instead of white knuckled fury, Jer, being about my age, probably just has white furry knuckles.
MD
Ahhh liberals. Gotta love'em
Submitted by RESTLESS 1 on Wed, 11/24/2010 - 2:37am.
So righteous, so clueless.
Jer has had instances of lucidity, quickly doused by bouts of ideological loyalty.
Agreed, RESTLESS---
Submitted by matthewdean on Wed, 11/24/2010 - 2:50am.
Though there are times I would label it ideological insanity.
He does get high points for consistency, though; and extremely high points for avoiding bad language unless provoked.
MD
Not so much "hellfire"
Submitted by RESTLESS 1 on Wed, 11/24/2010 - 2:11am.
as "heckfire".
He still fails to see the racism of lower expectations. He's compassionate after all.
Flare Alert
Submitted by miss911ninja on Wed, 11/24/2010 - 2:46am.
Matthew, I think Elmer Fudd better dust off the old Islamosavvy! The Ground Zero mosque issue is about to flare up again. Rauf the Outreacher has his hands out for funds to build the "cultural center." He applied for a grant of millions of dollars FROM THE CITY'S 9/11 FUND!
ninja---
Submitted by matthewdean on Wed, 11/24/2010 - 2:54am.
I caught that on FOX News; unsure which program.
A construction worker was being interviewed, and was highly incensed that there would even be a remote chance that City funds might be approved for helping to fund the mosque.
Interesting times.
Crazy times, more accurately.
MD
Go Pat Yourself
Submitted by miss911ninja on Wed, 11/24/2010 - 1:54pm.
It's INSANE! And now we hear that Muslim women will be allowed to pat THEMSELVES down at airport security! Specifically, the head and neck area under their hajibs. I guess all other areas are just simply un-pattable!
As the story goes, after they self-pat, their hands will be tested for signs of explosives. But can't Muslim women hide explosives in their crotch area just as easily as Muslim men? Shouldn't they be required to pat their own crotches, too?
Ummmmmmmm....Ninjie........yo
Submitted by killa37 on Wed, 11/24/2010 - 2:08pm.
Ummmmmmmm....Ninjie........you're missing the point!!! The reason they DON'T have to do that IS because they're Moooooooooooslems!!! It is an affront to their 'religion'........plus, it's PROFILING!!!!
Of course, if YOU go through the line, YOUR crotch might be checked out.......unless you wore that burqua that you were wearing during Ramadan.
killa, I'm not kidding, if my
Submitted by Radical1979 on Wed, 11/24/2010 - 2:15pm.
killa, I'm not kidding, if my daughter has to travel on a plane, I'm making her wear a burqua.
OMG!
Submitted by miss911ninja on Wed, 11/24/2010 - 3:24pm.
Thanks for reminding me about that burqua! I still need to pick it up from the dry cleaners!
Killa, Democrat Jer spent a few days on the Kona coast....
Submitted by upcountrywater on Wed, 11/24/2010 - 4:42pm.
Must be a new luau show, eh.
Now, how about entertaining us with some more of your side-splitting 'nigra dialect' riffs. Who knows maybe he feels some haole guilt staying in one of those big white hotels, viewing the brown people, digging in the cotton fields, er landscaping. Furthermore.... Apologizing to a liberal, like apologizing to a moslem, it just shows signs of weakness, thereby generating further attacks. Not only is this an attack on you, it's an attack on all folk who speak Hawaiian pidgin. But hay , what would one expect from a lefty who sees in black N' white. I got side tracked by the following, so this comment is about 15 hours late. Pele, Huli huli my hale.You Didn't Build That.
re your comment, ucw...
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 11/24/2010 - 5:54pm.
Fifteen hours late but its absurdity is timeless.
Jer
You've been to the Kona
Submitted by killa37 on Wed, 11/24/2010 - 7:33pm.
You've been to the Kona coast, Jer??? I think Upcountry must be from Maui, since that is what they call the slopes of Haleakala. Maui is a nice place to visit. I live on the north shore of Kauai, which is also a nice place to visit, unless we're in one of our 40 days and 40 nights of rain, which happens sometimes. There ARE years when we hold the world record for precipitation......or was that perspiration???
killa...
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 11/24/2010 - 9:18pm.
My parents, my wife and I, my brother and sister and their families all flew to Hawaii in the summer of 1991 and stayed on the Kona coast of the Big Island to view "The Eclipse of the Century" for which clear weather was a virtual certainty [or so we were told] at that time of year. It rained...or at least was overcast just enough to ruin the experience from our vantage point.
However, we love Hawaii and have been to Maui a couple of times since that occasion, but haven't made it over to Kauai. Maybe next time.
Jer
That 'overcast' might have
Submitted by killa37 on Wed, 11/24/2010 - 10:03pm.
That 'overcast' might have been 'vog'..........which is volcanic fog........although in 1991, I can't remember if there was a live volcanic eruption going on. There's been a live one on the Big Island for quite some time in the past few years, however, and the Kona side seems to get voggy every afternoon.
During any kind of south winds, we even get the vog drifting up to our island, and it really changes things, because it is dense and gray, and cuts down on visibility.
Killa, Jer and I were on Big Island at the same time in July '91
Submitted by upcountrywater on Thu, 11/25/2010 - 1:23am.
I was at the Pohakuloa camp ground at 7,000 feet....No Vog, Always got lava, however some cranking trades were going on
In the summer the day before the solar eclipse, clear as a bell, the day of the eclipse raining all the way to the leeward side, views were great at Pohakuloa And the views were also good right in the town of Kailua-Kona. The next day clear as a bell, Get this: Lots of folks wanted their money back....
I've have some molding eclipse videos in analog format....
Hay, Have a great Thanksgiving You 'all.
You Didn't Build That.
I spent a long weekend at
Submitted by killa37 on Thu, 11/25/2010 - 2:48am.
I spent a long weekend at Pohakuloa when I was a kid........I remember a little of it. Do you think we could take ol' Jer out into some big Hawaiian surf??? He's probably start believing in SOMETHING, for sure.......besides the liberal bullcrap!!!'
JUST JOKING JER!!!! Happy Thanksgiving to everybody!!!!
Is the best surfing off of
Submitted by Jer on Thu, 11/25/2010 - 3:25am.
Is the best surfing off of Oahu or elsewhere? When I was in Maui, the undertow was incredibly strong and no one was venturing out into it. I don't know if that was the usual condition or just the times I was there.
Have a nice Thanksgiving. Turkey luaus?
Jer
ucw...
Submitted by Jer on Thu, 11/25/2010 - 3:39am.
My sister had seen a total eclipse in Washington state a few years before and she got us all thoroughly excited over the prospect of witnessing the one over Hawaii in '91. The lure was the length of totality--over four minutes--and the fact that at that time of year it was an 80% certainty of clear weather along the Kona coast.
I woke up in the mddle of the night and noticed it was clouding up and was just hoping it would clear up for the event. It was kind of hit and miss. Some went out in boats and had great views, and of course at the higher elevations and the observatory it was clear as a bell. We hopped in the car and drove around frantically hoping to catch an opening, but it mostly was a huge disappointment. And then later, I had to read the reports of people who did see it in all its magnificence--some areas of Hawaii and all across Mexico. Made me feel even worse.
In fact, I'm getting pissed off just thinking about it again.
Happy damn Thanksgiving...
Jer
The swells get big 3 or 4 times a year and this location breaks.
Submitted by upcountrywater on Thu, 11/25/2010 - 11:41am.
jaws
Maui's great for wind surfing ( regular surfers hate the wind), most surf spots here are more crowded than on Oahu. In fact folks that move here from Oahu think the surf sucks on Maui, they are right.
Kauai has some huge beaches, and lots of surf spots...
May be clear weather for an Annular solar eclipse here?
Of course if one goes to the trouble to catch one better be a Total eclipse...
#2 on my list of space coolness was Tempel 1... I saw this flash of light from my deck which was also out of this world...
Happy travels, and have a Special thanksgiving, this year
You Didn't Build That.
As Obama's Administration continues to unravel . . .
Submitted by Galvanic on Tue, 11/23/2010 - 5:11pm.
. . . the MSM will perform more and more triage and damage control for him.
The LSM
Submitted by UpNorth on Tue, 11/23/2010 - 9:14pm.
has progressed far beyond triage and damage control. They've moved on to plastic surgery and moving the goal posts every time it looks like Owebowma will be anywhere near the playing field. This administration is far beyond needing a band-aid, so the LSM will undertake a major facelift, tummy tuck and botox, just to make it look like something that someone could vote for in '12.
Grandma grizzle
Submitted by 10ksnooker on Tue, 11/23/2010 - 5:14pm.
Shows how it's done.
A handbook for a 2012 campaign?
Submitted by bobdog on Tue, 11/23/2010 - 5:17pm.
OK by me. I like this lady.
Ah, the luxury of quitting an
Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Tue, 11/23/2010 - 5:21pm.
Ah, the luxury of quitting an elected position sure leaves room for political attacks, even those decades-old arguments.
But it sure helps boost book sales.
attacks and book sales
Submitted by Agnostic on Tue, 11/23/2010 - 6:02pm.
It sure does. Much more entertaining now that both sides can fight without one being shackled with the expectations of office. Then I don't live in Alaska so if the state is falling apart without her perhaps I shouldn't be so flippant.
Hint - Telling conservatives that someone understands how to make money in a semi-capitilistic system isn't exactly an attack.
Would that be Ted - THE SWIMMER?
Submitted by Tomorama on Tue, 11/23/2010 - 6:11pm.
That elected position......... would that be the one where the Democrats in the state were pissing money away with fraudulent lawsuits that had to be fought and paid for, thus wasting the Governors time and the states money?
Those lawsuits that WENT AWAY after she stepped down?
Those ones ass****?
Clinging to guns and religion, us being basically decent people who don't watch the right TV or listen to the proper radio and don't visit all 58 states like good american corpe-men should.
Those decades old quotes from the fraud in chief?
Anything about these that are not true or are you "typical" where the truth and your opinion don't get along to well?
My bad, they are attacks because they are against your heroes, even though every word and quote is factual.
"For the first time in my adult life"....................
Hmmmmm, getting into college ONLY because of skin tone, getting a no-show job ONLY because your husband funneled money into the place of business, you would have thought hat all that happened BEFORe 2008, thre must have been SOMETHINg/ANYTHING hat made her proud?
Nah, she's just mean and angry and "typical".
Worked out pretty well for
Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Tue, 11/23/2010 - 6:25pm.
Worked out pretty well for her, don't you think?
And by the way, next time you call someone an asshole, at least have the guts to spell it out.
Comment deleted - inappropriate content
Submitted by RESTLESS 1 on Tue, 11/23/2010 - 6:59pm.
Ah, the hits just keep on
Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Tue, 11/23/2010 - 7:01pm.
Ah, the hits just keep on coming...
Anyone else care to chime in before your comments disappear?
I'm guessing
Submitted by RESTLESS 1 on Tue, 11/23/2010 - 7:09pm.
That's a no.
Insert current username for Dead here---
Submitted by matthewdean on Tue, 11/23/2010 - 7:21pm.
It's not like you don't set yourself up for said hits.
You should consider using a bullseye for your logo.
Or maybe a chameleon.
MD
My name is insignificant, as
Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Tue, 11/23/2010 - 7:26pm.
My name is insignificant, as long as society's bottom feeders are around.
Insignificant?---
Submitted by matthewdean on Tue, 11/23/2010 - 7:31pm.
Excellent choice!
MD
Isn't it
Submitted by UpNorth on Tue, 11/23/2010 - 9:16pm.
refreshing to have lib actually admit that, MD?
Definitely refreshing, UpNorth---
Submitted by matthewdean on Tue, 11/23/2010 - 10:04pm.
and even more surprising than refreshing. :oD
MD
Aww. Iz trollie getting picked on again?
Submitted by The Vet on Wed, 11/24/2010 - 1:24am.
Trollie says something antagonistic and antithetical then fills his diapers because someone responded. Hey, I have a suggestion for your name tomorrow --
Floating trud waiting to be flushed
Sure I'll chime in: whiiiiiiiine to the mods louder next time
Submitted by SickofLibs on Wed, 11/24/2010 - 10:54am.
Nothing disappeared.
Or summon A-Zip to your defense - he's been uncharacteristically MIA for a month and we miss "him."
Evidence please, Tomorama...
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 11/23/2010 - 7:40pm.
"Hmmmmm, getting into college ONLY because of skin tone..."
Hmmmmm...and you know this, how exactly?
Michele was reading by the age of four, skipped the second grade, placed in gifted classes in later grades and advanced placement classes in high school where she was on the honor role every year. She graduated second in her class and was consistently described by both high school and college classmates as extremely intelligent.
What is your evidence she only got into college because she was black?
Jer
You will find that evidence located---
Submitted by matthewdean on Tue, 11/23/2010 - 7:46pm.
in the exact same place you liberals found the evidence of Obama's intellectual brilliance.
The bete noire spells her name with two l's.
MD
Mathew...
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 11/23/2010 - 8:16pm.
Kis my as.
Do you think you wil ever atempt to refute an argument on the merits? The sily deflections are ocasionaly amusing, but ultimately pointles.
Jer
Oh Darn*
Submitted by cajun2 on Tue, 11/23/2010 - 8:26pm.
Just realized that I have come to NB much too early. Forgot that I am on CST.
Jeer---
Submitted by matthewdean on Tue, 11/23/2010 - 9:36pm.
Bite my as.
Yu ar a libral.
What makes you think I would ever consider anything you, as a touchy-feely, sensitive, Obama lover, had to say, might contain even the slightest reason to award it any level of merit?
You are a liberal apologist, alibier, and excusal expert.
You want to be the explainer-in-chief, and believe no one but you on this site "argues or debates" properly, correctly, and appropriately, knock yourself out.
You talk sh*t, but in reality are the Artful Dodger, as all liberals must be, because you and your Lib-Dim ilk have nothing to brag on, for, or about.
All you do is talk liberal crap, and because you don't like being called out for doing so, fall back on the lame assed method of rebuttal that your opponents cannot refute, only deflect.
As I said, purple-lips desperately needs your help.
You are going to have to try and do better; as your inane, boiler-plate lib statements ain't too impressive .
MD
Bete Noire
Submitted by stratman on Tue, 11/23/2010 - 8:33pm.
Bete Noire1) A detested person, someone to be avoided
2) French for Black Beast
3) A flourless chocolate cake
The cake can be quite delicious. The other two, not so much.
Bete noire---
Submitted by matthewdean on Tue, 11/23/2010 - 9:07pm.
also, colloquially, a "bug bear".
Something that bugs a person.
She accomplishes that with more than a few people.
MD
Jeez Jer. I wasn't aware that
Submitted by killa37 on Tue, 11/23/2010 - 7:49pm.
Jeez Jer. I wasn't aware that Mrs. Soetoro was so 'smart'!!! Of course, they say that about her husband too.........................I'm just a dumb blue-collar right wing hater, so I guess it's only natural that I haven't noticed how 'smart' they are.................although I do have to admit that they are really taking US for a ride!!!
killa---
Submitted by matthewdean on Tue, 11/23/2010 - 7:58pm.
While Jer may have a point that the bete noire didn't matriculate only because she was black; I wonder if he thinks she got the sinecure on the Chicago hospital board (that paid a few hundred thousand bucks for a one year shot) because she learned to read at age four.
If not, I'm sure she was selected after an exhaustive search.
MD
Comment deleted - inappropriate content
Submitted by Tomorama on Tue, 11/23/2010 - 8:50pm.
They absolutely WOULD count.
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 11/23/2010 - 8:53pm.
Didn't realize she acknowledged affirmative action admittance. In that case, no further proof necessary.
Jer
If you're going to call
Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Tue, 11/23/2010 - 10:06pm.
If you're going to call anyone an asshole who disagrees with you, then you serve zero importance in this forum, and are worth even less of my time.
Me sooooooooo sorry
Submitted by Tomorama on Tue, 11/23/2010 - 10:16pm.
I'll make a deal with you, I will never again call you an asshole if you dispute anything I posted with facts to back them up.
Once you fail to do so, I will then call you a coward.
You changing your name from ADD, ADK, whatever, shows how YOU actually have zero importance here.
Everyone on here knows who I am and pretty much were I stand, you lack the fortitude to stay with one name, but you being a libtard, your libtardiness shines right on through.
Hey, whoopie ADD, you made me invent a word....
I disagree with Jer all the time, but I give respect when earned.
Jer, we cool, she regretted that she got in based on affirmative action, but she admited she did.
Nonsense, Nature boy---
Submitted by matthewdean on Tue, 11/23/2010 - 10:25pm.
Calling names spices up the interplay.
Placing yourself as an arbiter of who does, or does not, can, or cannot, serve up importance in a forum, is as good a funny as I have seen around this place.
MD
DiaperBoy nwahs fills his diaper again.
Submitted by The Vet on Wed, 11/24/2010 - 1:00am.
Wazzamtter Dead Zippers, no christians to spit on, so you gotta whine about language now? Why don't you tell us about the vulgar tirade that got your berthuggins account banned. Or the vugar tirade that got your guttermouth account banned. Or the vulgar tirade.... Yeah, this could go on for awhile.
Ted is a Naturest?
Submitted by Dave. on Tue, 11/23/2010 - 11:26pm.
LOL - Who knew?
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
He's gotten closer to the earth
Submitted by Quasi-socialist on Wed, 11/24/2010 - 12:51am.
in recent days.
Silly NBC don’t they
Submitted by ninerdog on Tue, 11/23/2010 - 5:21pm.
Silly NBC don’t they know grizzly bears eat the head first then they disembowel and finish with the hart….
Obama is a man without a country
Submitted by Rousse on Tue, 11/23/2010 - 5:49pm.
At the risk of starting another debate on where Obama was born, there can be no doubt that Obama never bonded with America. I blame his parents and his family, for jerking him around when he was a kid. But we who love America are in a perilous position because Obama doesn't love this country the way we do. And that's rather obvious to everyone.
Palin is right; Obama lacks basic patriotic instincts. A pity really. He's a man without a country.
I agree -- he doesn't love America the way we do
Submitted by ProudAmerican58 on Tue, 11/23/2010 - 6:45pm.
He only loves what he believes he can "fundamentally change" about it.
And that O'Donnell chick
Submitted by ProudAmerican58 on Tue, 11/23/2010 - 6:46pm.
gives me gas.
It doesn't matter where Obama
Submitted by Ashrak on Tue, 11/23/2010 - 6:55pm.
It doesn't matter where Obama was born. He can't be a Natural Born Citizen as a result of his father not being a citizen of any kind - providing that his real Father is Barack Obama Sr. that is. But then there is no requirement to be CEO. And one need not love any country to occupy the top spot in a corporation.
We must Restore the Constitution.
Have you ever checked out the
Submitted by killa37 on Wed, 11/24/2010 - 2:12am.
Have you ever checked out the 'purported' evidence that Barack Obama's REAL 'father' could be Malcom X??? It's out there...............in the 'conspiracy blogosphere'.............you know, where his Mom was 9 months before he was born.............where Malcom X was......bla bla bla!!!! It's kind of intriguing.
Obama's upbringing . . .
Submitted by Galvanic on Tue, 11/23/2010 - 5:58pm.
. . . may have much to do with his attraction to the ideologies and personalities he's embraced. Being abandoned by his father and cast-off by his mother had to have had an alienating effect.
Alienated individuals are ripe for Leftist recruitment.
They are very afraid
Submitted by Ashrak on Tue, 11/23/2010 - 6:51pm.
I look forward to all the "fact" checking teams the AP and other "news" organizations sick on this book. After all, they will so easily be able to discount everything she writes by doing so.....
If Obama doesn't run, and I don't think he will, Sarah won't run. I believe this is what she means by seeing the field before she declares. If Obama runs, and only Establishment GOPers are in the mix, then she enters with HUGE amounts of money belonging to her only to be augmented by a campaign and PACs.
Sarah is playing Obama, Democrats and the Mainstream Media for suckers and she is winning the game on every play, licking her lips along the way like all good momma grizzlies do.
Sounds like Norah has been
Submitted by 1uncle on Tue, 11/23/2010 - 6:58pm.
Sounds like Norah has been ordered to turn the screw. Some people have no shame. I'm refering, also, to the demo 24/7 committee who spend their time trying to demonize anyone who looks like an 'enemy',
comments are puerile
Submitted by Richard B. on Tue, 11/23/2010 - 7:11pm.
Sarah Palin is the best thing for America. She is everything the communists hate. I refuse to use the term progressive, because they are actually communists. How ironic, Hussein O. visits S. Korea and a week later N. Korea is shelling S. Korea. Hussein needs a war to survive. It is the method all dictators use to obtain and hold on to power.
“Hussein needs a war to survive.”?
Submitted by needle on Tue, 11/23/2010 - 11:47pm.
Huh? Do think that the North Korea’s attack on Yeonpyeong is a crisis that Barack needs? and is not going to let go to waste?
Of course, I cannot predict the future, but I can draw likely conclusions from past behavior and attitudes.
Judging from what we all know about Obama, I am hard pressed to imagine any insult to, or attack on, the US of A that would impel him to strike back. He is prosecuting the war in Afghanistan because he has inherited it from Bush, and he realizes that if concedes that contest he is deader than a door nail politically. But defend the US in any other context, including Korea? Not very likely.
- Looking forward to the self-annihilation of the Manipulated Stories Machine.
And it goes on and on and on...
Submitted by Rukus on Tue, 11/23/2010 - 7:17pm.
The Pop Tech Media drones on and on and on ad nauseum. It will soon go the way being called a racist... little to no meaning. Sigh.
Rukus, I will wonder for a
Submitted by Chris Norman on Tue, 11/23/2010 - 11:53pm.
Rukus, I will wonder for a long time just who "Pop Tech" really was. My bet was he was some creepy guy who Palin didn't notice in high school and who'd vowed to destroy her. :)
Maybe O'Donnell hasn't been
Submitted by killa37 on Tue, 11/23/2010 - 7:51pm.
Maybe O'Donnell hasn't been paying attention to the kind of treatment Palin has been getting since she took to the public arena.....................so she is shocked that Palin would be so blunt about these dopes who have been trashing her since day 1.
This is a Joke, Right?
Submitted by DaMama on Tue, 11/23/2010 - 8:06pm.
The way that the liberal media skewers Palin every single day, this comment by O'Donnell has to be a joke. Liberals are so obssessed with Palin, they have to say something bad about her every day. There is always something bad about Palin online, on the news, in print......every single day. You'd think that these liberals would get a life! But no - they have to pounce on her every day. It's like a prerequisite for being a liberal.
Draper’s lack of self-awareness is breath taking
Submitted by needle on Tue, 11/23/2010 - 11:11pm.
New York Times reporter Robert Draper’s going negative definitely will help spur me to buy Palin’s book.
Robert Draper says that the “voters want to see someone who can be soothing, who can project optimism, -- like ‘Hope and Change’? -- and who can seem like an executive – no, we want someone who actually IS an executive; Good Grief, Draper, where HAVE you been living for the past 21 months?!? -- rather than someone who takes a swing at anyone who offends them" – don’t worry, Draper, in that regard Sarah Palin is a lot different from Obama and the staff of the New York Times.
- Looking forward to the self-annihilation of the Manipulated Stories Machine.
I think carping about "Failed policies of the past"
Submitted by Quasi-socialist on Wed, 11/24/2010 - 12:50am.
was optimistic or something.
ripping their hearts out literally
Submitted by Marat on Tue, 11/23/2010 - 11:43pm.
I am sure that Palins ripping of hearts will digress into something more literal. There soon will be a cry for criminal prosecution.
I am still waiting for pics of that guy "stomping" the head in of an ass hole.
The PTM (PopTech Media)
Submitted by Free Stinker on Wed, 11/24/2010 - 12:13am.
The PTM (PopTech Media) forgot to add . . . after Sarah Palin rips out a Liberal's heart . . . she shows it to her victim . . . still beating . . . and laughs . . .
/// Sarah Palin Fan since July 11, 2007 /// خال
Poor Babies
Submitted by Cho Yi Fan on Wed, 11/24/2010 - 12:37am.
Palin 'Rips the Heart Out of Her Opponents'It's about time. Sarah gives back an honest account of how she feels and these fools over at MSNBC get their little feelings hurt. And what do these lefty's do?...They get all WEE WEE'd Up! What a bunch of whiners.
Misplaced reply - delete
Submitted by Quasi-socialist on Wed, 11/24/2010 - 12:49am.
Meant to be a reply - delete
Rips the hearts out of her opponent..
Submitted by holeinthehull on Wed, 11/24/2010 - 10:39am.
Norah O'Donnell should be drug tested for Crack or brain tested for Alzheimers. There is no way Sarah Palin is ripping the hearts out of her opponents.
You have to have a heart in order for it be ripped out in the first place.
Liberals have a tendency to mistakes hearts with poor judgement, that causes poor choices, that is keeping our country poor right now!!