CNN to Air Pro-Gender 'Reassignment' Documentary

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CNN is set to air a documentary titled "Her Name Was Steven" on March 13 and 14, which sympathetically follows the "gender reassignment" process of former Largo, Florida city manager Steven Stanton. The network has boldly advertised the documentary as being about "one person's struggle to live an authentic life."

One of the producers of the documentary, Rose Arce, made no secret that she sympathized with the subject of the film. During a panel discussion featuring Stanton at the 2008 Lesbian and Gay Journalists Association convention, Arce described the public hearings over Stanton's job as Largo city manager (which ultimately led to his dismissal from his job) as a "Salem witch trial environment."

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Prior to its premiere on cable television, CNN screened "Her Name Was Steven" at several film festivals to "appreciative audiences," according to a Turner Broadcasting press release. One such screening took place at the 2009 Reel Affirmations: The Nation's LGBT Film Festival in Washington, DC. The film festival's website included a promotional text about the documentary apparently provided by CNN, which trumpeted how the film "explores the quiet moments as [Steven] Stanton remakes her body - all the time trying to keep her thoughts and feelings focused on what she knows she must do....CNN is with her through love, loss, sex and self, and the extraordinary journey of one woman whose name was Steven."

The pro-transgender aspect of "Her Name Was Steven" has been picked up by several movie reviewers. Brian Lowry of Variety lauded the film for being "thoughtful," and noted that the excerpts from Stanton's video diary that the documentary includes were "immensely helpful in fostering understanding regarding his emotional state and sense of discovery during the process." Glenn Garvin of the Miami Herald also used the "thoughtful" label for the documentary. An earlier Miami Herald review noted that Stanton's son Travis "exhibits a remarkable ease with his father’s transformation...offering a ray of hope for tolerance."

—Matthew Balan is a news analyst at the Media Research Center. You can follow him on Twitter here.

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OH GOODY!

That should take their audience from 371 viewers down to 11.

No...

No... There's ten in the control room that have to watch it - 21.

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Nothing like a 'reassignment

Nothing like a 'reassignment documentary' to jump start those last-place ratings!

Nobody tunes into CNN to

Nobody tunes into CNN to watch this stuff. CNN is failing badly.

  MSNBC already did this.

 
MSNBC already did this. It was called born in the wrong body or something like that. They had a few episodes. I have a friend who is going through this and I just hope they do not see this. I just pray they don't go through with it... they look so much cuter as the sex they were born as. 

__________

"Every Thursday I take Pudge the fish a peanut butter sandwich..."

Is That You Keith?

I wondered where Uberdouche has been. What color eye shadow will she wear when he/she comes back?

I hear that this

I hear that this documentary (Chop & Change) has had some cuts.

Creepy Robot Theater #2 Monty Obama and The Dead Parrot Sketch

Meh

I heard it was short on content, so they cut their losses.

Besides, it won't stand up to criticism.

"If the man, with the power, can't keep it under control...some heads are gonna roll." -Judas Priest

I heard

That a lot was left on the cutting-room floor.

(Actually, very little tissue is wasted, it's mainly re-shaped, but I doubt you want to know the details. I find it tends to freak guys out.)

The FREAKS ar running the Circus-

No matter what he cuts off or adds on, his DNA is still gonna read MALE.  His insecurity and neuroses run deep.

"Liberals have managed to eliminate the idea of manly honor.  Instead, all they have is womanly indignation." ~Ann Coulter

I'll still be reminded of zee pregnant "man"

Sorry to bring that up during lunch, but I still see people trying to argue referring to her as "him", since because she's legally a "man", it's set in stone. No argument. Finished. It's "the law" these prunes tell me. And no doubt they'll say the same with this case.

To some, the laws of men exist only be rewritten anyway; not to better protect us from ourselves or other people, or fix its flaws, but rather to serve the desires of the few, the loud and the noisy, with nothing to do with their actual needs. However, the same can not be applied to the laws that nature dictates. They can't be touched, altered or rewritten. By itself without any genetic alterations, men can not produce babies.

So even though these guys get to tell people they're now legally a woman, it doesn't change the blueprints of their genetic makeup. You're still going to read XX. So everyone might have to start calling you a woman, but unless your genetic makeup is 100% XY, nature still dictates you're a guy.

Are they kidding me with this? "one person's struggle to live an authentic life"?  Now there's a journey without a destination. He pretty much threw any authentice life he might have had in the woodchipper. Hence the phrase "past the point of no return", you're not getting it back. What's next? Girls in college and high school who slept with everyone in the sports teams, now yearning to get their virginity back? That's what this strikes me as.

I pity and feel sorry for these people, especially when they really do feel this is the only path they can take. But it's not their place to tell everyone else that it's normal and tell me to change my views on nature, not because I'm wrong or mistaken, but for the purpose of them feeling less left out. For their sake and convenience.

XY is usually male, XX is usually female

unless your genetic makeup is 100% XY, nature still dictates you're a
guy.

Typo I'm sure. XX is usually female, XY usually male. XXY is usually male too, but there are exceptions.

A 46,XY mother who developed as a normal woman underwent spontaneous
puberty, reached menarche, menstruated regularly, experienced two
unassisted pregnancies, and gave birth to a 46,XY daughter with complete
gonadal dysgenesis.
- J Clin
Endocrinol Metab.
2008 Jan;93(1):182-9

The belief that chromosomes have some kind of supernatural power is a common superstition. They're a better indicator of sex, than say, height - most men are tall compared to most women - but the difference is in degree, not kind. 

The Y chromosome usually carries the SrY gene sequence, and that usually causes masculinisation (in conjunction with the right foetal environment), though it may not always,  and there are 3 other gene sequences we know of that can do as well.

Ar least 1 in 500 people are neither completely 46,XY nor 46,XX. 

XX and XY

If you look at the Y chromosome thru a neutron microscope, the Y is actually a broken X. Conclusion? All men are actually defective on a genetic level.  /s

 I can't help but feel sad

 I can't help but feel sad for these people.  To be so unhappy in your own body that you feel the need to take such drastic actions is unfathomable.  

-Dead Ted

Illness

It is clearly a mental illness. 

Is this bad?

I don't get it--are we supposed to be against this or against people with this issue. I have seen shows about this already...it's interesting. People have all sorts of issues.

You're supposed to consider

You're supposed to consider them freaks who should just shut up already and deal with the sex they're supposed to be.

Actually, "gender re-assigment" is a symptom-

The last thing they should do is just "deal with the sex they're supposed to be."  That could lead to suicide.  Chopping and adding is not going to "cure" his psychological problems either.

This man may need in-patient, long-term help for his insecurity and neuroses - obviously, I cannot diagnose these, just a guess.  But, whatever the problems.  He desperately needs help, not surgery.

"Liberals have managed to eliminate the idea of manly honor.  Instead, all they have is womanly indignation." ~Ann Coulter

~Amazing

Liberals go on and on about the importance of a healthy body image and being comfortable in your own skin....unless it's someone who wants to change their sexual identity. Then all of a sudden trying to completely remake yourself physically isn't a sign of neurosis.

"my solution is to destroy children"--mamabear's cure for poverty 12/08/09

Not sure most think

Not sure most think "comfortable in your own skin" is to be taken literally.

~It isn't, bal?

So having a positive self-image isn't a good thing to liberals?

"my solution is to destroy children"--mamabear's cure for poverty 12/08/09

I mean that being

I mean that being comfortable in your own skin probably doesn't work with people who think they're a man when they're a woman, etc.

Terrific point, chose-

Perhaps desiring "gender re-assigment surgery" is the result of trying to self-diagnose.  This guy need professional help.

"Liberals have managed to eliminate the idea of manly honor.  Instead, all they have is womanly indignation." ~Ann Coulter

Just for the record

On the other show I saw on this--it said a lot of counseling and psychiatric evaluation went into the case before surgery would be approved. Watch it--you might learn something...

 

  My friend who is going

 
My friend who is going through this right now has to go see a therapist and has to get several letters of recomendation and then get put on the waiting list for the surgery etc. But in today's era not many of the therapists are trying to talk them out of it, they just discuss why and if they think they truly want this then they give them the green light.

__________

"Every Thursday I take Pudge the fish a peanut butter sandwich..."

That's not good

But in today's era not many of the therapists are trying to talk them
out of it, they just discuss why and if they think they truly want this
then they give them the green light.

Then they're not doing their job. There must be some resistance - not enough that someone truly affected couldn't overcome without too much difficulty, but enough to make sure of the diagnosis

It's complicated in cases of Intersex - such as endocrinal anomalies. There, there's no "standard of care", we're in unknown territory, and to make things too hard would potentially be fatal.

The Standards of Care, the "best practices" in cases not involving Intersex include a 3 month minimum (sometimes much longer) assessment period, to rule out other problems that may have similar symptoms. This is usually fairly easy. Then a formal authorisation for hormone replacement therapy. At first, a low dose, this is to "ramp up" and make sure it will be tolerated metabolically, but also sorts out the boys from the girls. Having cross-sexed endocrinology compared to neurology is most unpleasant. To someone with the right neurology, the improvement is dramatic. To someone with the wrong neurology... they'll run away screaming.

Then, after the body has been made more like that of the target gender, a period of at least one year - often much longer - living in the target gender role. This is a stressful period, as appearance and genitalia won't match. Many don't make it, being assaulted and raped, or arrested and imprisoned, is not uncommon.

Then, and only then, will a post-doctoral specialist review the case de novo, and both original treating physician and the specialist have to both sign-off on authorising surgery in separate letters.

It's basically CYA rather than for the patient's benefit, but probably inevitable in today's litigious climate.

With Intersex conditions, the situation varies too much. In extreme cases, the one-year period of living in the target gender may come first, due to physical appearance changing without medical intervention. Hormonal treatment may be needed to keep the patient healthy, even before psych evaluation.  

Huh, weird double post... I

Huh, weird double post... I don't know how to delete it lol sorry! *feels uncomfortable and starts tap-dancing*

__________

"Every Thursday I take Pudge the fish a peanut butter sandwich..."

I would tell you, but

I would tell you, but hey...you're a good dancer, and I love tap.

Jer

In the future, just click edit, highlight your comment, hit enter and poof.  I say "future" because replying to a post prevents editing.

Sorry--not judge-y enough

A sign of neurosis...I didn't know we were all psychiatrists. I stand corrected. If you don't want to watch this, don't watch it. I don't get why it is on this site...that is what I was asking. I may watch it now that I know about it--so thanks, I guess.

~

Some people have chromosomal abnormalities that result in gender issues. This is a physical condition.

Some people do not have any chromosomal abnormalities yet have gender issues. This is a mental condition. AKA, neurosis.

If I was convinced I was a bear born in a human body, while having no ursine genes whatsoever, would this indicate that I needed surgery to alter me into something resembling a bear? Or would I need some serious mental help?

"my solution is to destroy children"--mamabear's cure for poverty 12/08/09

There are other conditions

There are other conditions that aren't chromosomal, and we can't "see" most disorders that affect the brain.  

So you end up diagnosing anything you can physically see as "real" and anything you can't as "all in their head."  There is no scientific basis for that judgement, comfortable though it might feel to you.

~Oh cool

The "kill the babies to save them" pseudo-scientist is here to school us.

If a condition doesn't have a biological cause, it therefore follows that the cause is mental. Some mental conditions are symptoms of a chemical imbalance, but that's still a biological cause.

What I said, is that if a person with no abnormal biological condition thinks he or she is something that he or she is not, it's mental.

Instead of dithering around trying to come up with a non-answer that makes you feel good about yourself "I'm not judging, look at me!", why don't you try some simple logic once in a while.

"my solution is to destroy children"--mamabear's cure for poverty 12/08/09

I was arguing with your

I was arguing with your original statement, that there were chromosomal abnormalities and mental problems and apparently nothing in between.

My statement is perfectly logical-- that hormonal changes that affect the brain, often early in development, can't be seen later.  Therefore, there is no way (currently, brain imaging is improving all the time) to tell the difference between someone who has a "biological" reason for feeling they should be a different gender, and someone who is suffering from some other mental problem.

This, presumably, is why people who wanted to undergo gender reassignment are put through rigorous psychological testing-- to determine if some other neurosis is the cause of their desire.

But if those tests come back without another cause to point to, your diagnostic criteria are meaningless.  You can't tell the difference between someone who feels they are a different gender because they were exposed to the wrong levels of important hormones during gestation, and people who weren't exposed to an obvious biological cause.  

I also think it is important to point out that the brain is a biological organ, and at a certain level the distinction between "mental" and "biological," particularly when referring to something as cryptic as gender identity, becomes meaningless.

Not quite true

Therefore, there is no way (currently, brain imaging is improving all
the time) to tell the difference between someone who has a "biological"
reason for feeling they should be a different gender, and someone who is
suffering from some other mental problem.

Close enough, but not quite true. The number and distribution of cell types in the BSTc layer of the hypothalamus is definitive. But using this as a diagnostic tool has two problems - first, it's a symptom, not a cause. The dimorphosm between the sexes only happens at puberty, when transsexuality is manifest long before then. The difference is a result of the thing that causes transsexuality, not a cause of it itself.

The second, bigger problem is that our imaging techniques can't pick this up - it needs to be determined at autopsy. Consequently it's useless as a diagnostic tool.

I bring up my friend again

I bring up my friend again who is going through this told me once that they had a test done and their testosterone levels were that of a woman's... so instead of figuring a way to get more testosterone in the body they have decided it's better to change their sex.

I wish more tests and studies were done in this area instead of handing everyone who wanted to change their bodies this way a green light.

 __________

"Every Thursday I take Pudge the fish a peanut butter sandwich..."

I don't know the details of

I don't know the details of your friend's case, and I sincerely hope that they end up doing the right thing for themselves, whatever that may be.

It is important to realize, though, that if hormone levels have been off for a person's entire life, there are changes that happen early in development, just before birth, that can't (at least in rats, we don't experiment with this stuff in people) be changed by correcting levels of hormone later in life.

Maybe increasing testosterone now would fix the issue, but not necessarily.

Objective evidence

So you end up diagnosing anything you can physically see as "real" and
anything you can't as "all in their head."  There is no scientific basis
for that judgement, comfortable though it might feel to you.

Actually, it's tended to be the other way. It's been assumed that transsexuality is a psychiatric illness, lacking compelling evidence of physiological causation. There's been some evidence since the 1960's, but not enough to be compelling. But now we have rather more, from autopsies and MRI scans. Genes play a part too,but only a small one, they make the foetal tissue more or less susceptible to being affected by a hormonal anomaly, that's all. 

Here's a few of the hundreds of papers available online on the subject. This isn't controversial amongst neuroscientists. Many are so hung up in their Ivory Towers of Academe that they don't realise it's not general knowledge. 

Male-to-female
transsexuals show sex-atypical hypothalamus activation when smelling
odorous steroids
by Berglund et al Cerebral Cortex 2008
18(8):1900-1908;

Male–to–female
transsexuals have female neuron numbers in a limbic nucleus.

Kruiver et al J Clin Endocrinol Metab (2000) 85:2034–2041

Sexual
differentiation of the human brain: relevance for gender identity,
transsexualism and sexual orientation
. Swaab Gynecol Endocrinol
(2004) 19:301–312.

A
sex difference in the human brain and its relation to transsexuality
.
by Zhou et al Nature (1995) 378:68–70.

A sex
difference in the hypothalamic uncinate nucleus: relationship to gender
identity
by Garcia-Falgueras et al Brain. 2008 Dec;131(Pt
12):3132-46.

A
polymorphism of the CYP17 gene related to sex steroid metabolism is
associated with female-to-male but not male-to-female transsexualism

by Bentz et al Fertility and Sterility , Volume 90 , Issue 1 , Pages 56
- 59

Androgen
Receptor Repeat Length Polymorphism Associated with Male-to-Female
Transsexualism
by Hare at al in Biol.Psych. Vol65, Issue 1, Pp 93-96

I'd imagine that there has

I'd imagine that there has been enough study of this situation to determine that it goes beyond the "bear envy" example you've described. 

~Ahhh, you're imagining things

Explains a lot.

"my solution is to destroy children"--mamabear's cure for poverty 12/08/09

Well, I do smoke pot all day

Well, I do smoke pot all day while watching Daily Show reruns, so... 

Chromsomes aren't everything

Yes, it's a congenital anomaly. Like having a cleft palate, or being left-handed. Neither of which has much to do with genes.

A cleft palate can be remedied surgically. So it's like that in some ways. Being Left-handed is a neurological anomaly, so it's like that in some ways.

Here, I'll quote from Sexual
Hormones and the Brain: An Essential Alliance for Sexual Identity and
Sexual Orientation
Garcia-Falgueras A, Swaab DF Endocr Dev.
2010;17:22-35

The fetal brain develops during the intrauterine period in the male
direction through a direct action of testosterone on the developing
nerve cells, or in the female direction through the absence of this
hormone surge. In this way, our gender identity (the conviction of
belonging to the male or female gender) and sexual orientation are
programmed or organized into our brain structures when we are still in
the womb. However, since sexual differentiation of the genitals takes
place in the first two months of pregnancy and sexual differentiation of
the brain starts in the second half of pregnancy, these two processes
can be influenced independently, which may result in extreme cases in
trans-sexuality. This also means that in the event of ambiguous sex at
birth, the degree of masculinization of the genitals may not reflect the
degree of masculinization of the brain. There is no indication that
social environment after birth has an effect on gender identity or
sexual orientation.

To call it a "mental illness" is an inaccurate as calling being left-handed a "mental illness" just because the anomaly is in the neurology.  On the other hand, being in this situationdoes cause intense distress, the female-pattern cellular receptors and male-pattern hormone mix causes dysfunction. The cure is to physically transition, then everything works fine.

Oh

I guess you know about this then and I just should adopt your opinion.

Who are you talking to?

Those voices in your head getting too loud to ignore?

"Liberals have managed to eliminate the idea of manly honor.  Instead, all they have is womanly indignation." ~Ann Coulter

Thank you-thank you, BO---

I thought I was wiggging out.  Could not figure out what posts I was missing, so after going up and down the thread, I started thinking my computer was out to get me.

Owe ya one!!

MD

Gotcher back, matthew!

;-D

"Liberals have managed to eliminate the idea of manly honor.  Instead, all they have is womanly indignation." ~Ann Coulter

BO - I love your tagline!

BO - I love your tagline!

Thank you, sweet Rad-

"Liberals have managed to eliminate the idea of manly honor.  Instead, all they have is womanly indignation." ~Ann Coulter

StarAZ, I was jumping the

StarAZ,

I was jumping the gun and providing what I figured would be the majority opinion on here...but not mine. 

LOL

OK--cool. I am seeing a lot of judgey-wudgey on this one.

 

Must be nice not to be "judgey-wudgey."

So you wouldn't stop someone from murdering you or your family, right?  After all, if you did - then you would be "judgey-wudgey" about them, right? 

 How foolish it is to try and claim that you are somehow superior and not judgemental.  You, along with every other human, judges many situations and people on a daily basis.

"Liberals have managed to eliminate the idea of manly honor.  Instead, all they have is womanly indignation." ~Ann Coulter

Yes, but some...

Yes, but some make the judgement, then ignore facts.

Others look at the facts, and then come to a judgement.

There's a lot of the former going on, and not a lot of the latter. In Latin, pre-judgement is pre judice.

*YAWN*

Just another pseudo-scientist who loves to skew the facts to fit it's socialist worldview.  Got ANYTHING for us that is new in any way at all?

"Liberals have managed to eliminate the idea of manly honor.  Instead, all they have is womanly indignation." ~Ann Coulter

Um...

You do know that I'm a conservative? And have run a conservative blog since 2003?

Look, if it's pseudo-science, please say why. Give evidence, scientific papers, whatever. There's such a thing as objective fact, and it will come out in the end regardless of your politics.

Heck, just look at some of the stuff on my blog about the AGW issue - stuff that directly contradicts the guff put out by the CRU in the UK. Anyone who says they know for sure what's happening with the climate is talking rubbish. The data's more ratty than pre-piper Hamlyn, and the whole issue's become politicised so badly that trying to determine WTF is actually happening is even harder than usual.

Isn't it the Left that's supposed to disregard objective evidence that doesn't fit their religious ideology? Let's not be like them, OK?

And now it pretends to be conservative-

Then it tells posters not to be like libs.  Next it will tell conservatives that they really aren't conservatives.  Good grief, this creature couldn't get any more cliche'd if it tried.  Boring!

"Liberals have managed to eliminate the idea of manly honor.  Instead, all they have is womanly indignation." ~Ann Coulter

BO...

Have you perused Zoe's blog?  I think "boring" is arguably the least appropriate word in the entire English language to associate with Ms. Brain.

Jer

That is of course

That is of course not necessarily a recommendation :)

True.  The observation

True.  The observation was explicit.  A recommendation implicit.

Jer

Jer*

I am not sure about a proper description of the brains blog but it must be something. .....A rocket scientist dedicated to exposing Moonbattery..... ?

You know

In arguing why it's obvious that Obama is the worst president since Harding, and quite possibly the worst president since Grant, I often have to counter the Leftist lie that conservatives can't argue the facts, they just demonise their opponents.

You're not helping.

I've Just Realized

You've misspelled Zero.

 

Sarah Palin: The Most Dangerous Conservative In America

Not much of an answer to

Not much of an answer to your pseudo-science question, huh.

But a great question to your pseudo-question of Science?

 

"I'm madder than a midget with a yo-yo" -- Larry the cable guy.

How does your "evidance" even come close to AGW? The cycle..

of the sun blows your theories to hell

"I'm madder than a midget with a yo-yo" -- Larry the cable guy.

Which theories?

The only theory I have is that none of climate science is reliable at the moment, we need more and better data. The temperature proxies are unreliable at best, we need to know more about the effects of cloud cover at high altitudes, and to say that any global warming has a human cause is, at best, dubious.

Oh, and the computer models are rubbish. I've seen the same kind of thing in pattern recognition when tracking sonar contacts, using noisy data, Unless you keep the raw, provably incorrect data pristine, and always use that as your standard before "correcting" it in accordance ith your hypotheses, you can easily lead yourself up the garden path.

 I do think though that the Vostok Ice core samples give a reasonably accurate record over the last megayear.

Actually I have great

Actually I have great sympathy with anyone who has a mental health issue.  We all have family members who suffer from some sort of issue at some point in their life..

Steven has such an issue. Chopping off his penis and testicles; and taking massive amounts of a estrogen for the rest of his life is not a healthy solution. Except to create a parody of a "woman."

Any more than feeding the psychosis of those who wish to amputate their limbs by -- amputating their limbs.

Sorry you can't see that one can be agaianst this "surgical" solution, without thinking the person is a "freak."

Robot Love Boat: When Rahmy Met Massa-y

One problem

They have cross-sexed neurology at the cellular level. That means having the wrong-sexed endocrinology causes progressive dysfunction,

It's not unknown for the patient to opt for the absolute minimal hormonal intervention, one that will cause a very slow transition over a decade or more just so their appearance will change slowly enough for them to retain things they hold dear - marriage, job, relationship wuth children until they grow up.

The dysfunction is progressive though without intervention, and the usual anti-depressants and so on can only deal with the side-effects of feeling one's mind slowly rot.

Here's a description of someone trying to "tough it out", to beat a neurological problem through sheer willpower, and what the consequences are:

Secondly, “Dysphoria,” defined by Marriam-Webster’s Collegiate
dictionary as “a state of feeling unwell or unhappy,” or in the American
College Dictionary as “a state of dissatisfaction, anxiety,
restlessness, or fidgeting” is simply too soft a word to describe the
angst most clinicians see on intake with this population. At best it may
be an apt descriptor for individuals who, despite strong evidence to
the contrary, are making an extraordinary effort to convince themselves
that they are sex/gender congruent. These individuals make life
decisions such as getting married and having children not only because
they may find it appealing to have a spouse and have children but with
the added hope that this activity will ease or erase their obsessive
cross gender thoughts. Although there may be instances where these
special efforts succeed, (i.e. the incongruity is mild) the more likely
outcome is a realization they have actually made matters worse.
Typically, at time of presentation these individuals report that either
their lives are in ruin, or they are very afraid that if their gender
variant condition was to become known they would loose all that they
cherish and be ostracized from family, friends and the ability to
support themselves. High anxiety and deep depression with concurrent
suicide ideation is common. One of the most extreme cases I have treated
was that of a 50 year old genetic male, married and the father of 3
grown children with an international reputation as a scientist who
reported to me that the reason he finally sought out treatment for his
gender issues was because the number of times he found himself curled up
in the corner of his office in the fetal position muffling his cry was
increasing. That is not dysphoria, that is pure misery.

It's not that they seek treatment just because they're unhappy: because they don't actually know the meaning of the word "happy" the way others do, they've never experienced that emotion. It's when they can no longer function, when the episodes become hourly instead of weekly or monthly.

I'm Intersexed, rather than transsexual, but my condition gave me cross-sexed endocrinology for much of my life, until it got better naturally, without treatment. So I know what it's like.

Usually there are body-map issues too, so surgical intervention is useful therapy. By then, the body has changed so much due to the hormonal treatment that the genitalia doesn't match the appearance anyway, is atrophied, and dysfunctional glands a cancer risk. Some surgical intervention is necessary. Most opt for a complete rather than "Barbie doll" reconstruction, but not all. Having a sex life is not high on their list of priorities.

Zoe, cross-sexed neurology

Zoe, cross-sexed neurology at the cellular level.   What?  Sexuality is determined  by having two X chromosomes or one X and one Y chromosome on your DNA.  This DNA gives instruction to each cell in your body.  The term you used makes absolutely no scientific sense.

Umm.. no.

Not unless you consider this woman male:

A 46,XY mother who developed as a normal woman underwent spontaneous
puberty, reached menarche, menstruated regularly, experienced two
unassisted pregnancies, and gave birth to a 46,XY daughter with complete
gonadal dysgenesis.  -- J Clin
Endocrinol Metab.
2008 Jan;93(1):182-9.

The Y chromosome usually (not always) has an SrY complex on, and this usually (not always) causes masculinisation. That's assuming a normal foetal environment. There are 3 other gene complexes that can cause masculinisation too, under some circumstances. 

Here, I'll quote from Disorders
of sex development expose transcriptional autonomy of genetic sex and
androgen-programmed hormonal sex in human blood leukocytes
. by
Holterhus et al. BMC Genomics. 2009 Jul 1;10:292.

CONCLUSION: A significant fraction of
gene expression differences between males and females in the human
appears to have its roots in early embryogenesis and is not only caused
by sex chromosomes but also by long-term sex-specific hormonal
programming due to presence or absence of androgen during the time of
external genital masculinization. Genetic sex and the androgen
milieu during embryonic development might therefore independently modulate functional
traits, phenotype and diseases associated with male or female gender as
well as with DSD conditions.

Sorry about the references etc, but yours is a common misconception. A common superstition is that the Y chromosome has some supernatural magical power, that it defines whether someone is male or female regardless of anything else.

For 59 people out of 60, which sex they are is easy to determine, everything matches. For the rest... it depends on what you use to define it.

bal

You're supposed to consider them freaks who should just shut up already and deal with the sex they're supposed to be.

Uhhh.... you mean, "deal with the sex they are."

 

I'm not looking for anyone's pity. - Jer
There have been studies. - Jer 

That's a fraught question

Anatomically, they're Intersexed, partly male, partly female. The bit that determines gender identity is set to one sex, and other parts set to the other. The proportions vary, about one in ten have externally obvious intersex conditions too, as well as intersexed neurology.

So the "sex they're supposed to be" is exactly correct. Supposed by others who don't know anything about the biology, anyway. Supposed on the basis of external appearance.

When the external appearance changes, as it does in some Intersex conditions, these suppositions can change.

See for example this story from CNN:. These people  are protogynous pseudohermaphrodites. Born looking female, but masculinising later in life.Unfortunately, about 1 in 3 have a female gender identity due to their neurology, but this is usually ignored by society.

Steven is mentally ill. Sorry if that OFFENDS

There is a documented mental illness in which people are obsessed with having their limbs amputated.

You think its ethical for the medical profession to enable this pychosis with medical amputation?

(Well they would get $60,000 per limb, according to Obama)

Or it is ethical to TREAT the mental illness that makes these sad people SO UNCOMFORTABLE in their own bodies, they wish to get a doctor to mutilate them?

Just askin'

Creepy Robot Theater #2 Monty Obama and The Dead Parrot Sketch

I'm offended!

Tomorrow I was going to have twelve of my fingers amputated and placed throughout my back instead so I don't have to reach back there when it's itchy. Don't worry, my toes would be removed to replace them on my hands since I don't use my toes anyway. And I was going to have part of my leg removed because I told the doctor I wanted a dragon's tail, but he told me he didn't have a dead dragon whose tail he could use. Those are my freedoms, my body, and anyone who disagrees is against choice!

Sorry, couldn't resist.

What I really want to know is for all our soldiers who come back with their arms or legs missing, why no one's developed fully-functioning mechanical limbs for them. *reminded of a certain arm scene in Terminator 2* Now that's what we should be hearing about science, how scientific discoveries benefit mankind and not how much we can play God and nature and manipulate human life.

Strange

What I really want to know is for all our soldiers who come back with their arms or legs missing, why no one's developed fully-functioning mechanical limbs for them. *reminded of a certain arm scene in Terminator 2* Now that's what we should be hearing about science, how scientific discoveries benefit mankind and not how much we can play God and nature and manipulate human life.

Indeed. We should have Robocop-type prosthetics by now. It is 2010, not 1960. What is even worse is that we have made absolutely zero progress in the treatment of spinal cord injuries for the past four thousand years; modern neurologists are no better able to heal a spinal cord than Bronze Age witch doctors.

Not quite true

What is even worse is that we have made absolutely zero progress in the
treatment of spinal cord injuries for the past four thousand years;
modern neurologists are no better able to heal a spinal cord than Bronze
Age witch doctors.

Not so - some neural shunts have been devised, but are still in the labs. Progress is slow, but steady.

The first talk in this morning's opening Plenary Session was "Electronic
and Ionic Devices: Semiconductor Chips with Brain Tissue." Yes, you
read that correctly: brain tissue. For half an hour, Peter Fromherz of
Munich's Max Planck Institute for Biochemistry held a tough crowd's
close attention as he described his work on silicon-to-neuron
interfaces.
...
The brain is an interconnected morass of neurons.
Any comprehensive electronic interface with it would need not only to
have physical contact with, as Fromherz said, "hundreds of thousands or
millions of contact sites." But those sites would have to be stable both
in placement and biochemical interaction. You don't want them firing up
the wrong neurons, poking them destructively, or chemically interacting
with them in nasty ways, do you?

Fromherz cited three main
directions for hybrid-neuroelectronics research: neurosensorics,
neuroprosthetics, and neurocomputing. The first investigates devices
that could study the brain, the second focuses on creating devices that
could replace or supplement organic functions such as sight and hearing,
and the third explores using brain tissue to inform computing design
and function.

That's from the International Electron Device Meeting, 2008.

Prosthetics

What I really want to know is for all our soldiers who come back with
their arms or legs missing, why no one's developed fully-functioning
mechanical limbs for them.

Apart from the mechanical issues, and how to power them, the main problem is linking them up with the patient's Central Nervous System.

See Neuroplasticity in amputees: Main
implications on bidirectional interfacing of cybernetic hand prostheses "
by DiPino et al, Progress in
Neurobiology Volume 88, Issue 2, June 2009, Pages 114-126

Research on why Trans people have a neurological body map that is inconsistent with their genitalia is useful in exploring the issues. Moreover, the research done in genital reconstruction, especially of Female to Male transsexuals, have allowed many men maimed in battle to regain lost functionality. 

I won't be watching, but

I won't be watching, but I've seen things like this on TLC and found them very interesting.  I've always been interested with stories on what the medical field can and cannot do to modify the human body.  Seeing someone change their gender is about as big as a change can get so it really fascinates me.  The men to women people tend to look like drag queens, but the women to men people often look real.  These shows also mention subtle differences between male and female bodies that I never really noticed like how men have a bony ridge across the skull over the eyes and women have higher eyebrows.  Little things like that.  It's interesting to see how hormones can cause a body to take on the characteristics of the other sex.  This means to me that everyone's DNA defines both male and female traits and the difference is triggered by 1 little chromosome.

 

 If someone wants to change their gender using their own money then I say more power to them so long as no one else's rights are violated in the process - like would be the case of the use of public money to fund these.

 

Unfortunately I can see this show degenerating into politics and since every single homosexual shares the exact same political opinion as every other homosexual, you know CNN will allow it to do so.

Sexual Orientation is different frim Gender Identity

Gay men want to be men, not women.

Some of the most extreme transphobia, hatred of people like Susan, is in the Gay and Lesbian community.

The only people who confuse the two issues tend to be the ones who believe both should be eliminated for the good of society.

Out of everyone in this scenario-

including Steven, you seem to need the most help, ZooBrain.

"Liberals have managed to eliminate the idea of manly honor.  Instead, all they have is womanly indignation." ~Ann Coulter

Glad to see the media is,

Glad to see the media is, once again, tackling those tough issues that affect us all. Thank God journalist are out there alerting the people to the important issues of sex-changes, Palin hand-notes, and celebrities pet-peeves.

So who gets to pay for

So who gets to pay for this?  It's got to VERY expensive.  Wouldn't it be great if this type of surgery had to be paid for by the recipient?  It might just cut down on the "need" for it.

Payment

Yes, very few insurance plans cover it: about 80% specifically exclude it, and all complications that may arise from it.

So if you're in a car accident, and your leg is broken - well, you can't prove the hormones didn't weaken your bones, so that wouldn't be covered. Seriously.

Twisted

The MSM is quick to condemn certain female celebrities who appear to be addicted to plastic surgery, but when these very confused people try to become the opposite sex by going under the knife, they nod their heads sympathetically.  Is there any scientific proof that people are born the "wrong" sex?  No.  For that matter, there is no credible study I'm aware of that proves homosexuality is normal.  Yet certain authorities figures have no hesitation about plowing ahead with their bizarre experiments.

“Always love your country — but never trust your government!" -- Bob Novak (1931-2009)

For that matter, there is no

For that matter, there is no credible study I'm aware of that proves homosexuality is normal. 

How exactly do you imagine science would ever prove that something is "normal?"

 

What's the point..

What's the point..

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