On Wednesday’s Newsroom program, CNN anchor Rick Sanchez turned to Eric Burns, the president of the left-wing organization Media Matters for America, to “fact check” Representative Mike Pence’s appearance on the program the previous day. Sanchez failed to mention the political leanings of Media Matters during the segment, and didn’t follow-up when Burns obliquely referenced his past occupation as a communications director for Democratic Representative Louise Slaughter.
Before introducing Burns, Sanchez played a clip of Representative Pence stating that he fought President Bush “on education spending. I fought my president -- was one of the 25 Republicans that opposed the prescription drug entitlement. I fought the earmarking culture and run-away spending under Republican control, and I’m going to keep fighting it as Democrats take us further down the road of deficit spending and debts.” The CNN anchor then made his introduction of the Media Matters president, omitting the left-wing stance of Burns’ organization: “Eric Burns is joining us now. He’s with Media Matters. His organization does the following -- you know what they do? They basically check to see if what politicians and people like me say on the air is truthful -- is accurate. When we make mistakes, they call us on it. I’ve been called.”
Sanchez first asked Burns if Pence was “telling the truth” in his answer to Sanchez’s question about Republicans supposedly “feigning so much outrage now after essentially rubber stamping so much of the spending that went on during the Bush/Cheney years.” The Media Matters president included a standard liberal criticism of the Bush administration’s tax cuts in his answer:
BURNS: You know, I’ll tell you, it’s a little bit of a half-truth there. We do know Congressman Pence, and he certainly did vote, you know, against education funding, as he said. You know, he voted against SCHIP funding....but I’ll tell you the part that you didn’t hear is that he voted for Bush’s $1.35 trillion tax cut, that actually destroyed the surplus that we had coming out of the Clinton years. He also voted to make those tax cuts permanent, helping to create the largest deficit in American history.”
Burns later used another Democratic talking point against Republicans in his criticism of Representative Pence:
SANCHEZ: Did he [Rep. Pence] ever show signs that he was that outraged before -- when some of these decisions were being made -- that, as I said earlier in this newscast, were even bigger earmark totals?BURNS: Absolutely not. I mean, this is -- this is pandemic of the entire conservative establishment and the Republican party. I don’t know if, you know, if they’ve got amnesia or if they’re schizophrenic now --possibly both -- but I was working in Congress for much of the Bush presidency and under Tom DeLay and, you know, there was a lot of spending going on. There was a lot of Enron accounting, hiding war -- you know, wartime expenditures, pulling it out of the budget. There was, you know, the worst ethics and corruption scandal that we saw since Watergate. And so, this notion that there’s some sort of accountability that’s going to be brought to bear by Chairman Pence and other Republicans -- I just don’t think holds water.
Burns did indeed work in Congress, but he didn’t mention that he worked as the communications director for Democratic Representative Louise M. Slaughter of New York, and before that as the primary spokesman and a senior adviser to another Democrat, Representative Chris Bell from Texas. Sanchez did not bother asking Burns about these past occupations, which are mentioned in Burns’ short bio on the Media Matters website. In addition to this, Burns made $500 donations to the Obama and Hillary Clinton campaigns in February 2008.
At the end of the segment, the Media Matters president twice complimented Sanchez: “I want to congratulate you for being one of the few folks in the media that is actually willing to do these fact check segments, to challenge folks on this stuff.... [You’re] doing a great job.”
This isn’t the first time a Media Matters employee has appeared on Sanchez’s show. Eric Boehlert, a senior fellow for the organization, appeared on the February 6, 2009 edition of Newsroom. Sanchez introduced as merely the author of “Lapdogs: How the Press Rolled Over for Bush,” and touted the liberal claim in his book that the mainstream media went easy on the Bush administration during its early years.
The full transcript of Sanchez’s interview of Burns, which began 29 minutes of the 3 pm Eastern hour of Wednesday’s Newsroom:
RICK SANCHEZ: Here’s something we’ve been trying to get at for a while, and I think it’s a perfectly legitimate question. Why are Republicans feigning so much outrage now after essentially rubber stamping so much of the spending that went on during the Bush/Cheney years? It’s a legitimate question, whether you’re a Republican or a Democrat, because it’s going on right now and it’s in the news. I want you to listen. I asked this question of almost every Republican I talk to on this show, and I asked it yesterday of Mike Pence when he was on talking to us. Here’s -- here’s the exchange that we had. Let’s listen to it.
SANCHEZ (from taped interview): To quote, Congressman, one of your own, you spent like drunken sailors for eight years in this country. Why weren’t you making these arguments then? Why weren’t you holding the throat of these guys who wanted to spend a lot of your money -- AKA, let’s see, I think the names were Bush and Cheney? Did you know them?
REPRESENTATIVE MIKE PENCE: Yeah, Rick, I knew them well, and you don’t know me very well if you don’t know I fought my president on education spending. I fought my president -- was one of the 25 Republicans that opposed the prescription drug entitlement. I fought the earmarking culture and run-away spending under Republican control, and I’m going to keep fighting it as Democrats take us further down the road of deficit spending and debts.
SANCHEZ (live): Eric Burns is joining us now. He’s with Media Matters. His organization does the following -- you know what they do? They basically check to see if what politicians and people like me say on the air is truthful -- is accurate. When we make mistakes, they call us on it. I’ve been called. Let’s -- let’s be fair to him [Representative Pence]. He was on our air yesterday. I asked him that question directly, and he said, you know what, you don’t know me very well Mr. Sanchez, because I did challenge President Bush and Vice President Cheney. Is he telling the truth?
ERIC BURNS, MEDIA MATTERS: Well, thanks, Rick, for having me on. You know, I’ll tell you, it’s a little bit of a half-truth there. We do know Congressman Pence, and he certainly did vote, you know, against education funding, as he said. You know, he voted against SCHIP funding --
SANCHEZ: So he was telling -- so he’s right? He did -- he did challenge a Republican administration, albeit as a Republican?
BURNS: On just a few things, but I’ll tell you the part that you didn’t hear is that he voted for Bush’s $1.35 trillion tax cut, that actually destroyed the surplus that we had coming out of the Clinton years. He also voted to make those tax cuts permanent, helping to create the largest deficit in American history --
SANCHEZ: So he went along -- so he went along with the gang, which, by the way, the gang included just about everybody back then, Democrats and Republicans, to be fair. But he did tend to go along with the gang back then, but he wasn’t a leader?
BURNS: Well, he wasn’t a leader back then, but he certainly went along with the gang, and I do know that he joined [Representative] Jeff Flake in opposing a few earmarks -- opposing some earmarks for others. But in this recent transportation bill that came through the House, he got two earmarks of his own. So to suggest that he’s out there championing the fight against earmarks, I don’t think is really -- is really accurate or genuine.
SANCHEZ: Well, you know, I was watching -- in fact, just before talking to you, I went on the website and I read his speech on -- that he gave at CPAC -- strong, very pro-capitalism speech --
BURNS: Sure.
SANCHEZ: In fact, I’m going to quote him here. He said, ‘they’re writing the obituary on capitalism.’ I mean, that sounds like a guy who’s outraged about what's going on in our government now. Did he ever show signs that he was that outraged before -- when some of these decisions were being made -- that, as I said earlier in this newscast, were even bigger earmark totals?
BURNS: Absolutely not. I mean, this is -- this is pandemic of the entire conservative establishment and the Republican party. I don’t know if, you know, if they’ve got amnesia or if they’re schizophrenic now --possibly both -- but I was working in Congress for much of the Bush presidency and under Tom DeLay and, you know, there was a lot of spending going on. There was a lot of Enron accounting, hiding war -- you know, wartime expenditures, pulling it out of the budget. There was, you know, the worst ethics and corruption scandal that we saw since Watergate. And so, this notion that there’s some sort of accountability that’s going to be brought to bear by Chairman Pence and other Republicans -- I just don’t think holds water. And I think it’s also, Rick, worth noting that as the chairman of the House [Republican] conference -- you know, Mr. Pence does have some influence in these matters in this omnibus spending bill that the House just passed. Forty percent of the earmarks were put in by Republicans.
SANCHEZ: Let’s go to the Twitter board real quick just before I let you go. Here’s Jen Grassey -- she says, as she watches our newscast, ‘Pence’s shameful expression says it all. He should just sit down and get out of the way. Why pretend to be innocent?’ I’m not sure that's fair. Let’s go to one at the very top there, Robert. You see it? The one that says ‘Renatanicole’ or something like that -- whatever: ‘I want to see the line item veto put in place. I hope this can get some real legs on it.’ Is that a good comment? Is that -- let me ask you, is that something that we should do -- a line item veto?
BURNS: A line item veto? Well, I’ll tell you what -- I’ll leave that to Congress to decide. You know, I fought -- I personally, before going to Media Matters, fought for ethics reform for three years in Congress and -- so I support anything to clean up the process. But I’ll tell you, Rick -- I want to congratulate you for being one of the few folks in the media that is actually willing to do these fact check segments, to challenge folks on this stuff, because in this economic economic crisis we’re facing, it affects every American, and it affects every American family. We just recently did a study at Media Matters showing that, you know, during the stimulus debate, over 700 interviews -- had on cable television and Sunday talk shows, only six percent of the guests were actually economists. And I think Americans have a right to know what’s going on --
SANCHEZ: Yeah.
BURNS: You know, the media is their town hall meeting every day. It’s how they get their information.
SANCHEZ: Well, if ours -- if there’s a town hall meeting, I think ours is, because we don’t use a teleprompter. We don’t read to you. We’re just basically just having a conversation as we go with people on MySpace, Twitter, Facebook --
BURNS: And doing a great job.
SANCHEZ: And people like yourself. Eric Burns -- we’ll keep trying to do as best we can. Thanks -- truth wins out in the end.
BURNS: Thank you, Rick.
SANCHEZ: We appreciate it.
BURNS: Thank you. Take care.
—Matthew Balan is a news analyst at the Media Research Center.




















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The last five years
March 4, 2009 - 19:04 ET by 10ksnookerOf Bush deficits are easily suprassed in one year of Obama.
I guess they assume people can't add any more...
That's a factcheck? Bush tax cuts did not cause the deficits.
March 4, 2009 - 19:11 ET by Gary HallThat's a fact check? Bush tax cuts did not cause the deficits.
First of all - the country was reeling in a recession - which Bush inherited from the crash of the Clinton dot.com bubble. Stimulus was on the table of both parties. Bush got better support from the Democrats on his stimulus bill - a real stimulus bill - than Obama's tired effort.
Secondly. Bush's tax cuts had nothing to do with why the silly projected surpluses disapeared, and deficits appeared. That was because of the economic fallout from the bubble crash (which was more than enough by itself) and combined fallout from 9/11.
By year-end 2003, the shift (delta) from projected surpluses to realized deficits i.e., the net total for 3 years running was approximately $1.3 Trillion. Of that $1.3 Trillion, approx. $300 billion can be tied to the total tax cuts on the books and Iraq war costs.
What a joke that fact check was! Gary
Basically, the spending
March 4, 2009 - 20:38 ET by fitzfongBasically, the spending increases outstripped the increased tax collections that the tax rate cuts caused. This Media Matters slimeball is either an ecomomic illiterate or a disgraceful fraud...I say both.
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." -Winston Churchill
Fitzfong
March 4, 2009 - 21:15 ET by Gary HallWell... Here's what I say to anyone (and there are plenty of them) who is claiming to my face that Clinton created and left $trillions in surpluses to Bush, and Bush blew them in a couple of years (that is the Speaker of the House, Pelosi's, claim). Remind them that the dot.com bubble collapsed in March of 2000, that there was $8-$12 Trillion of overaluation in the bubble, that that was where all of the corporate corruption (Enron, WorldCom, Tyco, Global Crossing, etc) was holed up.
Remind them that the Bush tax cuts really hit the books in 2003. That the Iraq War did not start until the spring of 2003 (my birthday).
Remind them that the "projected surplus" for the single year of 2003 was $359 billlion, but that the actual defict came in that year at -$378 billion. The larger picture is that for 2001, 2002 and 2003 combined, the difference in the projected surplus to the acutal deficits was $1.36 Trillion. Ask this person, "now explain to me exactly what Bush did to create this $1.36 Trillion shift in fortunes when the tax cuts and the Iraq war costs for those 3 years only amount to $379 Billion.
Yes there was spending - and the Iraq war is expensive - but on everthing else out there, the Democrats always wanted to spend much more money. One can argue that Bush did the budget no good - one cannot argue that he blew the projected surpluses and caused the return to massive deficit spending. (;~> gary
Rick Sanchez is painfully stupid
March 4, 2009 - 19:11 ET by Captain KirockI feel sorry for anyone who has to watch his show. I caught some of his short-lived prime time show last year and it was an expedition into imbecility.
Captain Kirock...
March 4, 2009 - 19:42 ET by dborschjr68"I caught some of his short-lived prime time show last year and it was an expedition into imbecility."
I considered it as more of a, "foray into moronicism", myself. Or a, "safari into intellectual jackassery".
F**K Socialism.
"Jackassery"
March 4, 2009 - 20:14 ET by Captain KirockLove the word. I used that one with my girlfriend a few weeks ago and she claimed it wasn't a word. Even though I had heard and used the word before, I didn't press the point with her.
Glad to see somebody is backing me up on this!
I DO NOT UNDERSTAND...
March 4, 2009 - 23:24 ET by danybhoy2 things I will never understand are liberal Jews & liberal Cubans. Libs & their politics are a threat to Jews & Cubans. They support all the people who threaten Jews & Cubans. Whether it's being sympathetic to terrorists who send suicide bombers into Israel or the idolatry of people like Che, Fidel, & their Buttboy Hugo, the libs love those who would kill them if given a chance.
I don't get it, & I don't respect it.
"The Fairness Doctrine = Jim Crow laws for Conservatives". Jim Quinn from "Quinn & Rose"
Twitter
March 5, 2009 - 11:21 ET by cvgbuckeyeWhat a leftie Sanchez is and probably one of the most intilectually dishonest person on TV. Did you ever notice that every Twitter entry that scrolls across his screen is lefty; i.e. pro-Obama, anti Rush Limbaugh, etc. We kind of wondered about that.
We had several people set up twitter with him. Altogether, now, they have submitted over 600 Conservative and anti-Obama and pro-Rush Limbaugh etc. postings. NOT ONE has ever been put on the scroll.
Really fair and balanced, huh! We weren't shocked!
Oh Yeah, here we go again
March 4, 2009 - 19:22 ET by richb313Oh Yeah, here we go again. First he dismissed the facts he was supposed to check as it did not matter, then he goes on to subjects not even covered. Who is the dishonest one here? It is the typical political response, just answer the question but answer a completely different question. Now the MSM is the ones playing this game. Give me a break.
rick....
March 4, 2009 - 19:32 ET by sawing batta"plays it down the middle"
rick, you crack me up. what a clown.
CNN: "No bias, no bull"
If Sanchez
March 4, 2009 - 20:05 ET by BobAnthonyThe dopey WETBACK, plays it down the middle, THEN ALEX RODRIGUEZ DID NOT TAKE STEROIDS! CNN--THE COMMIE/FASCIST NEWS NETWORK!
Want the PLAIN truth and no spin? Listen to The Plains Radio Network online. It's like nothing you've ever heard.
www.plainsradio.com
NO SLURS...
March 4, 2009 - 23:17 ET by danybhoyBA,
I get the reference, kind of like WOP, but it has taken on a racial meaning. Leave it alone.
"The Fairness Doctrine = Jim Crow laws for Conservatives". Jim Quinn from "Quinn & Rose"
Bob,
March 4, 2009 - 23:39 ET by RESTLESS 1There is no need for the racist slurs here. We do not tolerate that around here. You can call him every four letter word in the book as far as I am concerned, but leave the racism at the door.
"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
Agreed. Let's just beat
March 5, 2009 - 08:11 ET by NewsbusterbrownAgreed. Let's just beat these bozos up based upon their words and ideas only.
“There are no easy answers' but there are simple answers. We must have the courage to do what we know is morally right.” - Ronald Reagan (1964 Republican Convention)
If I were MIke Pence, I
March 4, 2009 - 19:39 ET by dborschjr68If I were MIke Pence, I would take a close-up digital photo of my naked butt and send it to Rick Sanchez with a note saying:
Fact Check This, Liberal Puppet!
F**K Socialism.
→ Do it dborsch
March 4, 2009 - 20:29 ET by Cool ArrowInclude a note saying "Please, Rick, don't get drunk and run over my a$$ like you did that guy in Florida."
We won the cold war! Why did we surrender?
Relying on Media Matters
March 4, 2009 - 20:22 ET by Clear thinkerRelying on Media Matters for your facts is like relying on Huffington Post for your Spiritual Guidance.
Dangerous Talk
Making Fun of AGW http://giovanniworld.wordpress.com/
Ct... ...ROFLMAO! That
March 4, 2009 - 20:36 ET by bigtimerCt...
...ROFLMAO!
That was a good zinger!
Media Nuts!
March 4, 2009 - 20:52 ET by jaywlI looked at Media Matters front page, it is radical. They say that Time, the NY Times, CNN, CNBC, Fox, MSNBC, Wash Times, and the Politico and Roll Call are ALL lying. At first glance good ol' Sanchez could claim that proves Media Matters is non-partisan and looking out for the people. Except for one little thing. All these liars, Dowd (of all radical liberals!), Santelli, Cramer, all these guys are lying about----OBAMA. I think, maybe, that if anyone says anything bad about Obama or his plans, they are LYING! Bad, Bad people say Bad, Bad things about our guiding light, our savior, our....I give up. Help.
Punch these guys
March 4, 2009 - 21:00 ET by MinutemenHere we are again, lamenting the destruction of our civil liberties and national erosion by media miscreants. Do you really think they care what we say about them? What will really get their attention is a sucker punch that breaks their nose; and another broken nose, and another. Okay, so we go to jail for simple assault, but it's the least we should do to defend our nation from destruction by these douche bags.
Why do these people......
March 4, 2009 - 21:02 ET by pbthinkerCan anyone tell me why the Republicans bother going on CNN or MSNBC? If a presidential candidate can avoid going on Fox News, why can't Republicans just refuse to go on these propaganda arms of the Democratic Party, until they get some balance there?
Everyone knows that, after the Bush tax cuts, the government took in MORE money, not less. Anyone that followed politics at that time understands the surplus was on paper, and projected for 10 years. That was, of course, before 9/11 and the disaster that caused. It's amazing how the Democrats and their news minions forget about that.
Election 2008-God's way of showing us that elections count.
Rick Sanchez
March 4, 2009 - 21:17 ET by NorthCoasterRick Sanchez,
Lapdog of the Left!
Rick you have to use an unbiased or generally recognized as neutral site anytime you want to fact check a story. I've used Factcheck.org in the past and although I'm not always happy with what I'v read, they seem to be pretty balanced.
Rick Sanchez (D-Obama)
March 4, 2009 - 21:37 ET by BKeyserOkay- I understand that most media members will claim to be "Independants" politically- not with a straight face of course, but that's usually their story and they usually stick to it. But lets use "Card Check" as a backdrop- I think that all media members should have their party affiliation and last general election vote listed next to their names as long as they are on camera (or in their byline for the [soon-to-be-extinct] print media). That way, every one can plainly see their slant on every news report and the viewer/reader can decide for themselves if they preceive a bias.
I mean, people believe what the believe, they have ideologies based upon many factors, and right or wrong -like an opinion- it belongs to the individual. Media members are not excluded from this fact. And as such, they should not be affraid to come out and say what party they are associated with, and for whom they last voted. And as I mentioned above, they generally support "Card Check" right? I don't see how this would be vastly different, especially since they come into our living rooms each night.
Just the fact that Sanchez doesn't readily identify his own political beliefs or that of his guest while smearing a political personality makes the entire story disingenuous and untrustworthy. Being disingenuous and untrustworthy on purpose means you are either hiding something, or not confident in your belief system. And if that's the case, they might as well film in the dark...
Sanchez doesn't look well in
March 4, 2009 - 23:42 ET by d1carterSanchez doesn't look well in the pic, he isn't drinking again is he???