Two segments on Tuesday’s Election Center program, which were promoted by host Campbell Brown as having ‘no bias, no bull,’ actually tried to paint Republican vice-presidential pick Sarah Palin as having a "very extreme" and "outside-the-mainstream" viewpoint on environmental issues, since on the issue of global warming, she’s "not one... who would attribute it to being man-made." Brown herself suggested during the second segment that the debate over the cause of global warming was already over [see video at right].
Audio available here
Correspondent Randi Kaye interviewed University of Alaska professor Rick Steiner during the first segment, a report on Palin’s environmental record. She asked, " In a word, if you can sum up Sarah Palin's record on the environment here, what would it be?" Steiner answered, "Abysmal." Anderson Cooper’s blog on CNN.com republished the professor’s September 7 editorial from the Seattle Post-Intelligencer, in which he railed against Governor Palin: "In addition to her frightening lack of qualification to be vice president (much less president) of the United States, Palin is an evangelical, anti-choice, pro-gun, right-wing conservative who wants creationism taught in schools." When a shorter version of her report aired on Wednesday’s The Situation Room, Kaye added that Steiner "says he’s not a Republican or a Democrat." Despite this clarification, it is clear from his editorial that Steiner is a liberal.
After a commercial break which followed Kaye’s segment, Brown moderated a panel discussion with CNN’s Roland Martin and Jeffrey Toobin, as well as Republican strategist Bay Buchanan, about Palin’s record on the environment. Brown first mentioned that "[h]er [Palin’s] view is that global warming is not man-made." Toobin, who sarcastically remarked in May that acknowledging man-made global warming is "like acknowledging gravity -- it is a scientific fact," took no time in criticizing this stance by the Alaska governor: "It's a very extreme view.... But the view of global warming [Palin’s] reflects an extreme outside-the-mainstream view that John McCain doesn't share, and frankly, no respectable scientist shares."
Brown then turned to Buchanan and remarked that "the debate over global warming did seem to come to an end, though. You even had Bush coming around on that over the last year." Buchanan argued that "there's many scientists that suggest there is no evidence whatsoever that it's related to anything man has done," and stuck to this position through the remainder of the discussion. The host later repeated this sentiment at the end of the segment: "I don't want to re-debate global warming. To me, that issue is dead and pretty much decided."
The transcript of the panel discussion, which began 55 minutes into the 8 pm hour of CNN’s Election Center program:
CAMPBELL BROWN: We want to talk about -- more about Sarah Palin's views on many of these issues. For some, they are heavenly -- for others, very much to the extreme. I've got the political panel back with me now -- Jeff Toobin, Roland Martin, and Bay Buchanan. And, Jeff, you saw the pieces we just aired -- Randi Kaye's pieces from Alaska, listening to her father. But on environmental issues in particular, one of the positions that's getting a lot of scrutiny is global warming. Her view is that global warming is not man-made. Now, that is different from what John McCain believes and different from even President Bush, who's come around in this issue.
JEFFREY TOOBIN: It's a very extreme view. Look, her views about getting oil out of Alaska are not extreme. Everybody in Alaska -- Democrats and Republicans, they're pro-exploring in the wilderness. But the view of global warming reflects an extreme outside-the-mainstream view that John McCain doesn't share, and frankly, no respectable scientist shares.
BROWN: And, Bay --
BAY BUCHANAN: Yeah.
BROWN: I mean, the debate over global warming did seem to come to an end, though. You even had Bush coming around on that over the last year.
BUCHANAN: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
BROWN: Is that not fair?
BUCHANAN: It's completely ridiculous. Jeff's got to get outside the East Coast a little bit, read some more scientists. There's all kinds -- I think, there's many scientists that suggest there is no evidence whatsoever that it's related to anything man has done. That it's just a course of nature itself, but one or the other that's the key.
BROWN: But, Bay, John McCain disagrees. George Bush now disagrees with you.
BUCHANAN: I don't care. I don't care. The scientists who are out there are very clear about this. This issue is not resolved and goes --
BROWN: Okay. I leave it --
ROLAND MARTIN: Hey, Bay -- Bay --
BUCHANAN: There's nothing extreme.
MARTIN: Hey, Bay, you also got the people out there who don't think I'm black enough. Look, you can find any scientist who can -- who will have the opposite opinion. The reality is, she, again, as Jeff has talked about -- when you have McCain with his position, Obama and Biden and Bush, yes, she's in a different corner. But, again, where this goes to, Campbell, is when you don't answer the questions yourselves, you're allowing others to define your position. That's the danger in allowing other people to speak for you.
BUCHANAN: We know where she stands. We know exactly. She's very up-front about it. You just reported where she stands.
MARTIN: Yeah, she doesn't think it's man-made.
BROWN: Let me bring it to a different perspective here, because the McCain campaign itself had said that this election is not necessarily going to turn on the issues, but rather how people feel about the candidates, their character, their personalities. So, Bay, to what extent are -- is the McCain campaign celebrating her -- you know, these images of her hunting and being very much of the Western, you know, sort of --
MARTIN: They love it.
BUCHANAN: And, of course, the fact that she is a hunter and she owned a fleet, a fishing fleet -- I mean, she's obviously extremely concerned about the environment. The fact that she's so popular in Alaska, which is very concerned about environment, shows she's there with them. She's mainstream. The hunters and the fishermen in Iowa -- I mean, Ohio and Michigan and out there, Pennsylvania -- she is going to take care of them.
MARTIN: Okay. Answer the question.
BROWN: You have to see it from a purely political point of view, though, these images are effective, are they not?
TOOBIN: They are. But, you know, it's not our job to evaluate the effectiveness of images. The images are great, but if we're going to try to evaluate what people stands on the issues are, and whether they are consistent with science, and I apologize if that's an elitist view.
BROWN: I'm with Jeff. I don't want to re-debate global warming. To me, that issue is dead and pretty much decided. But quickly, Roland, on the cultural issue.
MARTIN: Very simple. The Obama folks want to go after her on the hardcore issues. They want it to be about personality. Smart political strategy? But as Jeff say, it's not our job to go along with the gang.
BROWN: All right, guys, we got to end it there. But as always, Jeff, Roland, Bay, a great discussion. Thanks much, guys -- appreciate it.
BUCHANAN: You're welcome, Campbell.
—Matthew Balan is a news analyst at the Media Research Center.
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They are right about one
September 10, 2008 - 17:25 ET by MrSnugglesThey are right about one thing, the debate is over, the science is settled, global warming caused by man is a myth.
Every time they remind me of this........
September 11, 2008 - 08:12 ET by JTP"Palin is an evangelical, anti-choice, pro-gun, right-wing conservative who wants creationism taught in schools."
I get a tingle running up my leg......
"I need more cowbell!" SNL
like they say on Myth Busters...
September 10, 2008 - 17:31 ET by wizardjr"This one is busted."
How can supposedly rational, supposedly intelligent, supposedly trained information gatherers ignore that for the last ten years the CO2 concentration has increased 5% and yet the global temperature has dropped .7C ???
It boggles the imagination.
Debate is Over?
September 10, 2008 - 18:33 ET by allanfIf you have to say it, you know its not.
Installment 8 of the Campbell Brown Debate Series
September 10, 2008 - 17:39 ET by SickofLibsWell, since Gore is the defacto 'mainstream' environmentalist, Palin being outside the mainstream is just one more in the growing list of reasons to vote Rep.
Thanks again, CNN, and keep 'em coming!
Give me........
September 10, 2008 - 17:40 ET by zoro7957..........the proof that she said creationism should be taught in schools.
So DNCNN's resident
September 10, 2008 - 17:59 ET by fitzfongSo DNCNN's resident ambulance-chasing shyster has designated himself fit to determine who is and is not a "respectable" scientist. All I know is that Jeffrey Toobin is merely a self-important, detestable scumbag.
"Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it." -Ronald Reagan
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I happen to be a
September 10, 2008 - 21:42 ET by HermanoI happen to be a respectable scientist and I do not believe in man-made global warming. Oh, yeah. I also love steak.
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Wrong label for Palin
September 10, 2008 - 18:04 ET by LionKingShe is not anti-choice. She is for choosing life over murder.
McCain, Palin, and Biden agree that life begins at conception. Obama's pay grade does not allow him this intel.
Regradless of not knowing when life begins, Obama prefers to err on the side of MURDER. If life starts at conception, and taking a life is murder, then ABORTION qualifies as MURDER.
I for one am going to start
September 10, 2008 - 21:44 ET by HermanoI for one am going to start using the term "pro-death" instead of pro-choice. After all, this idiot was using the term "anti-choice."
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Certifiable
September 10, 2008 - 18:10 ET by acumenBROWN: I don't want to re-debate global warming. To me, that issue is dead and pretty much decided.
CNN environmental authority Campbell Brown reporting from the pristine natural habitat of New York City.
Good grief, Campbell Brown
September 10, 2008 - 20:47 ET by GalvanicI love how Brown cites Bush and McCain blather on AGW as proof that "the debate is over." What do either of them know about science? Good on Bay Buchanan for replying that she doesn't care what Bush and McCain say.
Every night, Brown offers more evidence of her shallowness as anti-intellectual attitude.
The debate is over only in
September 10, 2008 - 18:19 ET by deerjerkydaveThe debate is over only in the minds of those who want to censure those who disagree with them. It's a cheap way to throw a bomb and then run away from it. When did Brown debate global warming in the first place I wonder?
I've seen head to head debates between scientists over man made global warming. Audiences went in believing in man made global warming and came out as skeptics. Thousands of scientists publicly, vocally, and recently came out against the conclusion that man is to blame for climate change. Is Campbell Brown smarter than they? Sufficient to say that the debate is over?
Poll after poll shows wide spread skepticism over man made global warming by Americans. And yet this somehow makes Palin "outside the mainstream." This alone PROVES PROVES PROVES liberal bias in the media. To these liberal pin heads, liberalism is the definition of mainstream. Anything else is outside.
No bias? Bull!
September 10, 2008 - 19:02 ET by Kevin HalpernI wonder sometimes if reporters and news organizations aren't just stupid? Do that not realize they drive away more viewers than they keep with one-sided coverage. Maybe they think they have been sent by the heavens like The Chosen One to save the planet.
Isn't that what Nancy Pelosi is ging to do? Before she was against off-shore drilling, until she saw the polls and decided she was for it.
Lemming Group Think
September 10, 2008 - 19:29 ET by deerjerkydaveWhat happens is exactly what Bernie Goldberg says in his books. These "journalists" are surrounded by liberals. And since there are no dissenting points of view they draw faulty anecdotal conclusions that anybody who is mainstream is anybody just like themselves. Dissenters are viewed as outside the mainstream.
A perfect example of this came to us back in 1972 when Nixon trounced McGovern. The New Yorker's film critic Pauline Kael stated in bewilderment, "Nobody I knew voted for Nixon!"
Just because all of your friends over at CNN agree with you Campbell Brown that global warming is man made does not make it an empirical truth, no longer worth debating or discussing. Nor does it make it the only mainstream position.
Pelosi is busy saving the
September 10, 2008 - 19:40 ET by Clear thinkerPelosi is busy saving the planet for people like this... “Science is not consensus”. It’s true, but... How CAN that be countered...?" - Comment by Mark
Beware of all Pelosi type of people... "I think that the Pentagon was hit by a missle and not a plane."
— Posted by NeilT
They are dangerous!
America Owes Sarah Palin A Debt Of Gratitude
Making Fun of AGW http://giovanniworld.wordpress.com/
CNN's mainstream...
September 10, 2008 - 18:46 ET by cest moi...is what they're trying to run up your back and call "rain".
So making common sense
September 10, 2008 - 19:00 ET by Clear thinkerSo making common sense decisions are now out of the main-stream? Man, are we screwed! Is it any wonder that I don't like liberals?
America Owes Sarah Palin A Debt Of Gratitude
Making Fun of AGW http://giovanniworld.wordpress.com/
No Bias, No Bull
September 10, 2008 - 19:54 ET by DamianoHmmm...
For dicussion of this topic we have extreme left wing Obama supporter, Roland Martin, left wing Olbermann wanna be Jeffrey Toobin and right wing Bay Buchanan.
(2 to 1 bias, for those not keeping up... discounting Cambell for now, since she's supposed to be an anchor/ moderator)
Question for the panel... wait... there was no question, only a statement:
"Her view is that global warming is not man-made. Now, that is different
from what John McCain believes and different from even President Bush,
who's come around in this issue." (aka- Sarah Palin is a nut)
CB: Over to you Toobin:
JT:Yup, she's nuttier than a squirrel. I hate Bush
RM: Did I mention I am black today? If you don't vote for Obama you are a racist! My parents are community organizers... it's on! Power to the people! Kill Whitey!
CB: Thank you Roland. So Bay, what do you think?
BB: Well, the topic is still a matter of debate on Global Warming and there are many scientists who...
CB: Well, you're wrong and I don't want to debate this. Even that idiot, Bush, agrees with me. Right Roland?
RM: Sarah Palin is a racist
CB: Last word to you Jeff...
JT: Buchanan is almost as stupid as Bush. Did I mention that Palin is a crappy mother?
CNN- No Bias, No Bull; just 2 against 1 panels where the moderator makes one-sided, left wing statements and disallows discussion to the contrary.
Damiano - thank you thank
September 10, 2008 - 21:49 ET by HermanoDamiano - thank you thank you thank you for this most entertaining recap. I am ROFLMAO!
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Same here
September 10, 2008 - 21:59 ET by bigtimerSame here Damiano...
Priceless...still laughing too..
Oh yeah...and let's not forget to include RB's wife is a preacher, he loves to throw that in when politically expedient...or so he thinks it is.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
His wife is Jeremiah
September 10, 2008 - 22:00 ET by HermanoHis wife is Jeremiah Wright?!?
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Hey, Cambie: CO2 lags temp by EIGHT CENTURIES
September 10, 2008 - 20:16 ET by krendlerHey, Cambie. Cambie: Please let us all in on how "global warming" is man-made. Since it's all "settled" and everything. Please explain, because Gore and company certainly can't.
CO2 LAGS TEMPS, by about 800 years. Gore got things exactly backwards in his movie during his 15 minute long presentation "showing" CO2 causes increased temps - and there's not a scientist out there who disputes that he completely F'd up.
Other way around, Al. Other way around.
That's all Bay Buchanan or anyone else needs to say when one of these lemmings like Campbell Brown start parroting the mmgw squawking points. If Brown hasn't a clue what "CO2 lags temp" means, tell her to spend some time reading on the subject.
Newsflash Cambell
September 10, 2008 - 20:27 ET by well99You,Tobin and the other Obama lapdog dont decide if the debate is over.You elite twits dont represent mainstream.You represent the elites.Just stick to slurping your martini's out of your bowls and leave this country to real folks.
One correction: they don't
September 10, 2008 - 20:48 ET by fitzfongOne correction: they don't represent the "elites", they represent the elitists.
"Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it." -Ronald Reagan
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WAKE UP AMERICA
September 10, 2008 - 21:40 ET by cocodrieThe MSM doesn't realize that they are the mainstream of the left-wing extremists and not the mainstream of America. Millions of gun-toting evangelicals have been waiting for years to vote for a gun-toting evangelical and I am one of them. Wish my wife was alive to enjoy the news reports of Gov.Palin getting the best of these nutjobs.
coco... Bet she's
September 10, 2008 - 21:48 ET by bigtimercoco...
Bet she's watching though...and enjoying every moment with you.
Hope you don't mind me saying this...if you do, I apologize.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
I know she is, thanks for
September 10, 2008 - 22:13 ET by cocodrieI know she is, thanks for the thought. We'll be together again someday. Hope to see you there - not too soon though.
Is this his education?
September 10, 2008 - 22:04 ET by danboProfessor Rick Steiner? Is this the same guy? Looks like it. Does he have a PhD? Did he get it recently? In what?
According to this he has a BS in Ecology from U of Tenn. And a MS in fisheries from Oregon. There are a whole lot of skeptics with better credentials than he.
Is there some mis-representation here?
Limited Disclosure: I used to belong to the Sierra Club untill they went crazier. Worse of all, I was bribed by Exxon with free New Orleans Saints glasses with fill ups in the 70's.
He looks like he has spent
September 10, 2008 - 22:11 ET by HermanoHe looks like he has spent the last 30 years on Gilligan's Island. I agree. therre are a lot of people more qualified than him. However, the fact that he is from AK and an ecologist may make him a useful tool for the MSM. I do not think he has a PhD. That would have been listed with his BS and MS (Bull Sh!t, More Sh!t - he just could not get it piled higher and deeper.)
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I went through about 8
September 10, 2008 - 22:30 ET by danboI went through about 8 pages of searches. I found him referred to as a professor and even Dr by the news and environmentalist groups. But could find no PhD. He didn't event sign off as a PhD on anything I found. But did as an MS. Is he an ABD?
I don't see where he has many or any more credentials than some of us. Much less most of the better skeptics. Yet he's paraded as the expert.
He's an activist. and as you point out is from Alaska. And has been fighting with Palin. Part of the 18%. So someone for these people to make important to get at Palin.
Limited Disclosure: I used to belong to the Sierra Club untill they went crazier. Worse of all, I was bribed by Exxon with free New Orleans Saints glasses with fill ups in the 70's.
danbo - it looks like he
September 10, 2008 - 22:39 ET by Hermanodanbo - it looks like he has been living off the public teet for the past 30 years. No time spent working on his PhD. I do not think he even started. The move toward finishing one degree while working on another did not really take off until the mid 80s, and then it was usually something like a 5-year Masters.
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I got my undergrad in the
September 10, 2008 - 23:03 ET by danboI got my undergrad in the 60's and masters in the 70's. I ran into a few 3-2 students then. But they were rare. Maybe it's where or when I went. We didn't refer to our masters level instructors, even AbD's as professors. The title professor was reserved for PhD's.
Limited Disclosure: I used to belong to the Sierra Club untill they went crazier. Worse of all, I was bribed by Exxon with free New Orleans Saints glasses with fill ups in the 70's.
Global Warming Hoax
September 10, 2008 - 22:32 ET by usbeefThe global warming hoax is really driving me insane. I am so sick of the constant propaganda. It really exposes the stupidity of everyone around us that buys into it.
I am Catholic and there is a Catholic church on campus where I go to school. The other night I was looking on their website for events to attend and among them was a group discussion on "how humans are affecting the earth and what we can do as Christians to be good stewards of the earth". After I saw that I about broke into tears because now the disease of this hoax is infecting my church.
As much fun as I have had making fun of the hoax it is no longer funny to me anymore. I hope Sarah Palin stands up to McCain and says to his face that global warming is nothing more than a marxist private sector take over scheme.
"Push back the liberal hordes!!" - Mark Levin
In tribute,
September 10, 2008 - 23:15 ET by HillbillyKingto the days when a PT list made us smile :-}
from;
http://newsbusters.o...
You cannot argue with those who refuse to acknowledge reality. But this might help with whomever you talk to in the future:
20/20: Give Me a Break: Global Warming (Video) (8min)
31,000 Scientists Prove No 'Consensus’ on "Man-Made" Global Warming (OISM)
Climate of Fear (Richard S. Lindzen, Ph.D. Professor of Meteorology, MIT)
The Case for Skepticism on Global Warming (Michael Crichton, A.B. Anthropology, M.D. Harvard)
Environmentalism as Religion (Michael Crichton, A.B. Anthropology, M.D. Harvard)
Al Gore, Environmentalist and Zinc Miner (The Wall Street Journal)
35 Inconvenient Truths: The errors in Al Gore’s movie (Science & Public Policy Institute)
Climate Science: Climate Change and Its Impacts (PDF) (David R. Legates, Ph.D. Climatology)
Is the Sky Really Falling? A Review of Recent Global Warming Scare Stories (PDF) (Patrick J. Michaels, Ph.D. Ecological Climatology)
Nature, Not Human Activity, Rules the Climate (PDF) (S. Fred Singer, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus of Environmental Sciences)
from;
http://newsbusters.o...
Humans can only claim responsibility for 3.4% of the Carbon Dioxide (CO2) emitted to the atmosphere annually. (Source)
I am not sure how you conclude we are exceeding an imaginary 'threshold'.
Carbon Dioxide Helps Some Plants Survive Cold Weather, Cornell Researchers Find (Science Daily)
Climate Changes Creating Green And Flowering MountainsScience Daily)
Climate change will boost farm output (The Australian)
Delay In Autumn Color Caused By Increased Carbon Dioxide Not Global Warming (Science Daily)
- Forests Could Benefit When Fall Color Comes Late (Science Daily)
Duke Study Shows Carbon Dioxide Boosts Pine Tree Reproduction (Science Daily)
Elevated Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide Increases Soil CarbonScience Daily)
Elevated Carbon Dioxide Changes Soil Microbe Mix Below Plants, May Help Plants Grow (Science Daily)
Greenhouse Gas Might Green Up The Desert (Science Daily)
High Carbon Dioxide Levels Spur Southern Pines To Grow More Needles (Science Daily)
High On Carbon Dioxide, Crops Of Tomorrow May Yield More Grain (Science Daily)
Increasing Carbon Dioxide Relieves Drought Stress In Corn, Researchers Say (Science Daily)
More Carbon Dioxide May Help Some Trees Weather Ice StormsScience Daily)
New Satellite Study Shows Vegetation Increases In North AmericaScience Daily)
Open-Air Experiment Shows High CO2 Boosts Tree GrowthScience Daily)
Report: High Carbon Dioxide Boosts Duke Forest Growth By 25 Percent (Science Daily)
Some Plankton Thrive With More CO2 (The New York Times)
Study Shows Forests Thrive With Increased Carbon Dioxide Levels (Science Daily)
from;
http://newsbusters.o...
Skeptics believe in climate change just not that man-made CO2 is the
primary driver or there is any remote chance of a catastrophy. Mathews
would do well to get educated on this:
Climate of Fear (Richard S. Lindzen, Ph.D. Professor of Meteorology, MIT)
The Case for Skepticism on Global Warming (Michael Crichton, A.B. Anthropology, M.D. Harvard)
Climate chaos? Don't believe it (Christopher Monckton, The Daily Telegraph, UK)
Guides:
A Global Warming Primer (PDF) (National Center for Policy Analysis)
A Skeptic’s Guide to Debunking Global Warming Alarmism (PDF) (US Senate Environment & Public Works Committee)
A Skeptical Layman's Guide to Anthropogenic Global WarmingClimate Skeptic)
Global Warming FAQ (PDF) (Competitive Enterprise Institute)
Global Warming: Science vs. Nonsense (PDF) (EIR Economics)
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Myths:
Fallacies about Global Warming (Science & Public Policy Institute)
Global Warming Myths (Friends of Science)
Green Myths On Global Warming - Debunked (The Association of British Drivers, UK)
Heartland President Debunks Global Warming Myths (The Heartland Institute)
Myths and Facts About the Environment (National Center for Public Policy Research)
Myths of Global Warming (National Center for Policy Analysis)
The Global Warming Myth? (John Stossel, ABC News)
Top 10 Environmental Myths (PDF) (U.S. Chamber of Commerce)
Top 10 'Global-Warming' Myths (Human Events)
Papers:
A Climate of Belief (PDF) (Patrick Frank, Ph.D. Chemistry)
Apocalypse Cancelled (PDF) (Christopher Monckton, Former Policy Advisor for British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher)
Carbon Dioxide is not the primary cause of global warming (PDF) (Allan M.R. MacRae, B.Sc., M.Eng.)
Carbon Emissions Don’t Cause Global Warming (PDF) (David Evans, B.Sc. Physics, M.S. Statistics, Ph.D. Engineering)
Climate Change Re-examined (PDF) (Joel M. Kauffman, Ph.D. Organic Chemistry, MIT)
Climate Science: Climate Change and Its Impacts (PDF) (David R. Legates, Ph.D. Climatology)
CO2: The Greatest Scientific Scandal of Our Time (PDF) (Zbigniew Jaworowski, M.D. Ph.D. D.Sc.)
Environmental Effects of Increased Atmospheric Carbon DioxideArthur Robinson, Ph.D. Chemistry)
Global Warming and Nature's Thermostat (Roy Spencer, Ph.D. Meteorology)
Is the Sky Really Falling? A Review of Recent Global Warming Scare Stories (PDF) (Patrick J. Michaels, Ph.D. Ecological Climatology)
Is There a Basis for Global Warming Alarm? (Richard S. Lindzen, Ph.D. Professor of Meteorology, MIT)
Nature, Not Human Activity, Rules the Climate (PDF) (S. Fred Singer, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus of Environmental Sciences)
The Acquittal of Carbon Dioxide (Jeffrey A. Glassman, Ph.D. Applied Physicist and Engineer)
The Increase in Global Temperature: What it Does and Does Not Tell Us (PDF) (Robert C. Balling Jr., Ph.D. Professor of Climatology)
The Myth of Dangerous Human Caused Climate Change (PDF) (Robert (Bob) M. Carter, B.Sc. Geology, Ph.D. Paleontology)
The Science Isn't Settled - The Limitations of Global Climate Models (PDF) (Timothy (Tim) F. Ball, Ph.D. Historical Climatologist)
(PDF) (
Videos:
20/20: Give Me a Break: Global Warming (Video) (8min)
The Great Global Warming Swindle (Video) (1hr 14min)
CNN: Exposed: Climate of Fear (Video) (42min)
Bullshit! - Environmental Hysteria (Video) (29min)
CBC: Documentary: Doomsday Called Off (Video) (44min)
George Carlin - The Planet is Fine (Adults Only) (Video)
(8min)
If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if you really make them think, they'll hate you.
Don Marquis 1878-1937
You could write a book off this.
September 11, 2008 - 06:15 ET by FoolicanYou have to admire PopTech. Though one may not always agree with him, he has more information on any hot topic <npi> than the CIA Factbook.
I agree Fool,
September 11, 2008 - 11:02 ET by HillbillyKingA hell of a book could be written from the database he compiled. I remember his Anti-AGW had like 10 times the links I just posted. But they are here at NB, I found the ones above in like 6 minutes.
If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if you really make them think, they'll hate you.
Don Marquis 1878-1937
Thanks HillBilly
September 11, 2008 - 09:20 ET by NorthCoasterHere some additional sites to consider. The Icecap site is produced by one of the founders of the Weather Channel and includes reports of other scientists. Climate Audit is the primary sceptic site discussing and debunking the methods that created the temperature "Hockey Stick". Junk Science collects multiple posts on climate science and food issues to comment on. Paul Macrae has an interesting discussion of consensus.
http://icecap.us/index.php
http://www.climateaudit.org/
http://www.junkscience.com/
http://www.paulmacrae.com/
No problem, and thanks NC
September 11, 2008 - 11:07 ET by HillbillyKingI appreciate the links, NC. Just wait till more AGW stories come along, I'm gonna take the links above(yours and PT's) and start posting "tributes" on all of them. People need to know that the truth is out there and easy to find if they know where to look.
If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if you really make them think, they'll hate you.
Don Marquis 1878-1937
Just adding a few links
September 11, 2008 - 12:44 ET by danboJust adding a few links that may have been missed.
Anthony Watt's two sites.
Watt's up with that. and his Surfacestations main.
For those interested in the math and statistics of AGW, The Blackboard
For those who want to check what they are given; 2 GISS sites that lead to more info on their data rather than just what you're told.
GISS stations (The map at the bottom is great.) and rather than just Hanson's cherry picked analysis. Pick your own cherries at.
There's also Wood for Trees, that allows you to analyse and compare, GISS, Met, UAH and RSS.
And finally Roy Spencers site.
Limited Disclosure: I used to belong to the Sierra Club untill they went crazier. Worse of all, I was bribed by Exxon with free New Orleans Saints glasses with fill ups in the 70's.
A Meeting of The Charter Tank Dwellers Club
September 11, 2008 - 12:02 ET by SickofLibsMARTIN: But as Jeff says, it's not our job to go along with the gang.
He's gotta be kidding. How stupid do these elitist media types think we are? (that was rhetorical)
Campbell 'The Debater' Brown has really rocketed off into upper upper lib-o-sphere in the last several months. She's in for a Soviet-style touchdown, as in landing on hard, frozen ground.
Part II
September 11, 2008 - 12:22 ET by HillbillyKingAfter reading Fool and NCs responses to the above tribute to PT's lists, I remembered this particular thread;
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2008/07/17/nasa-climate-alarmist-attacks-newsbusters-sheppard
Imo, one of the top 3 posts I've ever read here at NB. The following are some of PT's lists and responses from that thread.
If you have not heard about RC then your knowledge on the subject is laughable. You could have simply asked and I would have provided some excellent websites to learn about Climate:
Climate Audit (Stephen McIntyre, B.Sc. Mathematics, Canada)
ICECAP (International Climate and Environmental Change Assessment Project, USA)
Junk Science (Steve Milloy, B.A. Natural Sciences, M.S. Health Sciences, USA)
Planet Gore (National Review Online)
The Reference Frame (Luboš Motl, Ph.D. Theoretical Physicist, Czech Republic)
Watts Up With That? (Anthony Watts, Meteorologist, USA)
- SurfaceStations.org
Scientists:
Benny Peiser (Benny Peiser, Ph.D. Professor of Social Anthropology, UK)
- Cambridge Conference Network (CCNet)
Climate Police (Joseph Conklin, M.S. Meteorology, USA)
Climate Science (Roger A. Pielke (Sr.), Ph.D. Meteorology, USA)
Climate Skeptic (Warren Meyer, B.S. Mechanical Engineering, USA)
CO2 Web (Tom V. Segalstad, Ph.D. Professor of Environmental Geology, Norway)
Comment & Information on Climate Change (Robert (Bob) M. Carter, B.Sc. Geology, Ph.D. Paleontology, Australia)
EcoMyths (Graham Smith, Associate Professor of Geography, Canada)
Global Warming Comments (Hans Erren, M.Sc. Geophysics, The Netherlands)
Global Warming Issues (John McLean, Climate Data Analyst, Australia)
Global Warming Politics (Philip Stott, Professor Emeritus of Biogeography, UK)
Greenie Watch (John J. Ray, Ph.D. Psychology, Australia)
Johnston's Archive - Environmental Topics (Wm. Robert Johnston, B.A. Astronomy, M.S. Physics, USA)
Number Watch (John Brignell, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus of Electronics & Computer Science, UK)
Prometheus - The Science Policy Blog (Roger A. Pielke (Jr.), Ph.D. Political Science, USA)
Ross McKitrick (Ross McKitrick, Ph.D. Economics, Canada)
Science & Environmental Policy Project (S. Fred Singer, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus of Environmental Sciences, USA)
ScienceBits (Nir J. Shaviv, Ph.D. Astrophysicist, Israel)
Science is Broken (Gary Novak, M.S. Microbiology, USA)
The Global Warming Challenge (J. Scott Armstrong, B.A. Applied Science, B.S. Industrial Engineering, Ph.D. MIT, USA)
The Politics and Environment Blog (Jennifer Marohasy, Ph.D. Biology, Australia)
William M. Briggs (William M. Briggs, B.S. Meteorology and Math, M.S. Atmospheric Science, Ph.D. Statistics, USA)
World Climate Report (Patrick J. Michaels, Ph.D. Ecological Climatology, USA)
Carbon Sense Coalition
Climate Change Fraud
Climate Debate Daily
Climate Resistance
CO2 Science
CO2 Skeptics
E-Team
Environmental Capital
Environmentalism is Fascism
EnvironmentNC
Facts on Energy
False Alarm
Global Warming.org
Global Warming and the Climate
Global Warming Debunking News and Views
Global Warming Petition Project
Global Warming Heartland
Global Warming Hyperbole
Global Warming Hysteria
Global Warming Information Center
Global Warming Science
Global Warming Skeptics
Models, Methods, Software
Not by Fire but by Ice
NC Media Watch
Omniclimate
Ponder the Maunder
US Senate Environment & Public Works Committee
Spiked - Environment
Still Waiting for Greenhouse
TCS Daily - Energy and Environment
- Science Roundtable
The Blackboard
The Carbon Sense Coalition
The Global Warming Hoax
Warming Scare Tactics
Warwick Hughes - Free Lance Science Research
- Errors in IPCC Climate Science Blog
Climate Audit (Stephen McIntyre, B.Sc. Mathematics, Canada)
ICECAP (International Climate and Environmental Change Assessment Project, USA)
Junk Science (Steve Milloy, B.A. Natural Sciences, M.S. Health Sciences, USA)
Planet Gore (National Review Online)
The Reference Frame (Luboš Motl, Ph.D. Theoretical Physicist, Czech Republic)
Watts Up With That? (Anthony Watts, Meteorologist, USA)
- SurfaceStations.org
Scientists:
Benny Peiser (Benny Peiser, Ph.D. Professor of Social Anthropology, UK)
- Cambridge Conference Network (CCNet)
Climate Police (Joseph Conklin, M.S. Meteorology, USA)
Climate Science (Roger A. Pielke (Sr.), Ph.D. Meteorology, USA)
Climate Skeptic (Warren Meyer, B.S. Mechanical Engineering, USA)
CO2 Web (Tom V. Segalstad, Ph.D. Professor of Environmental Geology, Norway)
Comment & Information on Climate Change (Robert (Bob) M. Carter, B.Sc. Geology, Ph.D. Paleontology, Australia)
EcoMyths (Graham Smith, Associate Professor of Geography, Canada)
Global Warming Comments (Hans Erren, M.Sc. Geophysics, The Netherlands)
Global Warming Issues (John McLean, Climate Data Analyst, Australia)
Global Warming Politics (Philip Stott, Professor Emeritus of Biogeography, UK)
Greenie Watch (John J. Ray, Ph.D. Psychology, Australia)
Johnston's Archive - Environmental Topics (Wm. Robert Johnston, B.A. Astronomy, M.S. Physics, USA)
Number Watch (John Brignell, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus of Electronics & Computer Science, UK)
Prometheus - The Science Policy Blog (Roger A. Pielke (Jr.), Ph.D. Political Science, USA)
Ross McKitrick (Ross McKitrick, Ph.D. Economics, Canada)
Science & Environmental Policy Project (S. Fred Singer, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus of Environmental Sciences, USA)
ScienceBits (Nir J. Shaviv, Ph.D. Astrophysicist, Israel)
Science is Broken (Gary Novak, M.S. Microbiology, USA)
The Global Warming Challenge (J. Scott Armstrong, B.A. Applied Science, B.S. Industrial Engineering, Ph.D. MIT, USA)
The Politics and Environment Blog (Jennifer Marohasy, Ph.D. Biology, Australia)
William M. Briggs (William M. Briggs, B.S. Meteorology and Math, M.S. Atmospheric Science, Ph.D. Statistics, USA)
World Climate Report (Patrick J. Michaels, Ph.D. Ecological Climatology, USA)
Carbon Sense Coalition
Climate Change Fraud
Climate Debate Daily
Climate Resistance
CO2 Science
CO2 Skeptics
E-Team
Environmental Capital
Environmentalism is Fascism
EnvironmentNC
Facts on Energy
False Alarm
Global Warming.org
Global Warming and the Climate
Global Warming Debunking News and Views
Global Warming Petition Project
Global Warming Heartland
Global Warming Hyperbole
Global Warming Hysteria
Global Warming Information Center
Global Warming Science
Global Warming Skeptics
Models, Methods, Software
Not by Fire but by Ice
NC Media Watch
Omniclimate
Ponder the Maunder
US Senate Environment & Public Works Committee
Spiked - Environment
Still Waiting for Greenhouse
TCS Daily - Energy and Environment
- Science Roundtable
The Blackboard
The Carbon Sense Coalition
The Global Warming Hoax
Warming Scare Tactics
Warwick Hughes - Free Lance Science Research
- Errors in IPCC Climate Science Blog
Organizations:
AccuWeather - Global Warming (USA)
American Enterprise Institute - Climate Change (USA)
American Land Rights Association (USA)
Business & Media Institute - Environment (USA)
Canada Free Press - Global Warming (Canada)
Cato Institute - Global Warming (USA)
Civil Society Coalition on Climate Change
Competitive Enterprise Institute - Climate Change (USA)
Foundation for Research on Economics and the Environment (FREE) (USA)
Friends of Science (Canada)
Frontier Center for Public Policy - Climate Change (Canada)
George C. Marshall Institute - Climate Change (USA)
Grassfire.org (USA)
Heartland Institute - Global Warming (USA)
Institute for Energy Research - Climate Change (USA)
International Climate Science Coalition (Canada)
John Locke Foundation - EnvironmentNC (USA)
National Center for Policy Analysis - E-Team (USA)
National Center for Public Policy Research - Environment (USA)
Natural Resources Stewardship Project (Canada)
New Zealand Climate Science Coalition (New Zealand)
Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine (USA)
Pacific Research Institute - Environment (USA)
Property and Environment Research Center (PERC) (USA)
Science & Public Policy Institute (USA)
The Association of British Drivers - Environment - Global Warming Links (UK)
The Australian APEC Study Centre - Environment (Australia)
The Center for Science and Public Policy (USA)
The Fraser Institute - Environment (Canada)
The Heritage Foundation - Energy and Environment (USA)
The Independent Institute - Environment (USA)
The Lavoisier Group (Australia)
The most important problem with all of this is that the temperature record is severly distorted and has been adjusted beyond the raw numbers. The stations where the records are obtained do not even meet their own quality standards and some records are just made up. So no they are not using accurate data and no they do not include every variable because some they do not even understand yet and no they do not take into account chaos theory or rather a basic understanding of computer systems. Oh sure they make alot of excuses for all of this but they do not resolve these problems.
The fact that the land based temperature stations are this bad means everything. This is not anectodal but the whole U.S. network is currently being independently audited and the amount of stations that meet NOAA's CRN=1 rating is only 4% out of 536 stations so far! That means the rest of the stations have a location bias affecting the temperature reading. Adjusting temperatures is a cruel joke and I don't believe it is possible to accurately adjust temperatures. We need to get measurements ONLY from quality stations.
Here is what "adjustments" have been made to the temperatures so far.
Since all the computer models "proving" AGW are based on these records that effectively debunks their results as worthless. That is beyond the fact that it is effectively impossible to make a computer model that can predict the Earth's climate. You would need an earth simulator modeling every molecule on the planet and it's interactions with space and various things we still do not understand, thus effectively impossible.
Fundamental Computer Science - if a Computer Model includes merely one approximation for what latter dependant calculations or data are derived from then the output of the model is useless. This is Computer Science 101.
Arctic Volcanoes Found Active at Unprecedented Depths (National Geographic)
Hydrothermal Vents Found in Arctic Ocean (National Geographic)
Hotbed of Volcanic Activity Found Beneath Arctic Ocean (National Geographic)
Under Icy Arctic Waters, A Fiery, Unexpected Find (The New York Times)
I encourage anyone with a few minutes to spare to read the thread. It exposes the lengths that proponents of global warming will go to surpress dissenting information.
If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if you really make them think, they'll hate you.
Don Marquis 1878-1937
Don't they bother to quote
October 24, 2008 - 06:37 ET by fsteeleDon't they bother to quote anything Palin said? She has said that she's not convinced that the current global warming effect is completely man-made, as there have been warming and cooling cycles in the past. However she says it's obviously real and we have to do something about it.
There's a pattern here. On several issues, Palin has some nuanced, middle-ground position and the media tries to make it out as extreme: on stem cell research, on evolution (a little discussion of creationism is okay for better understanding) ... etc. She wants fewer abortions -- by promoting contraception and sex education about condoms. On gay issues, she doesn't want the term 'marriage' used (nor do Obama and Biden and the Clintons) but otherwise is for 'tolerance'; she vetoed an anti-gay bill.