Jeff Dufour and Patrick Gavin, in the Tuesday edition of the Washington Examiner’s "Yeas & Nays" feature, reported that Helen Thomas gave a vehement denial of whether the media, and the White House press corps in particular, has a liberal bent. "Yeas & Nays got a sneak peak at Rory Kennedy’s new HBO documentary -- ‘Thank You, Mr. President: Helen Thomas at The White House’ -- which premieres next month, and Thomas is asked whether most White House reporters are liberal. ‘Hell no!’ she responds. ‘I’m dying to find another liberal open their mouths. Where are they!’ This is the second day in a row that Dufour and Gavin have reported on interesting quotations from members of the mainstream media.
During the documentary, Thomas went on to accuse the press of treating Former President Bill Clinton oppressively, especially during his second term. "[Thomas] exhibited great empathy for what President Clinton went through during the Monica Lewinsky scandal. ‘I don’t know how he could have taken what he took,’ said Thomas. ‘For reporters, it was a story you couldn’t avoid as much as you’d like to,’ but ‘no president has been subjected to that type of tyranny.’"
Perhaps Helen Thomas has high standards as to what defines a liberal, but one need only to look at one current and one former member of the White House press corps to cast doubt on her assertion that she is the only liberal member of the corps. During an episode of the syndicated "The Chris Matthews Show" in February 2006, Chris Matthews asked David Gregory, the White House correspondent for NBC News, "Reporters who hang around the White House, like you do, everyday of your lives. Is there a sense in the group that this guy's a winner or a loser? Just as a politician?" Gregory declared that the "overriding sense in the press corps is that, that he's [President Bush] losing."
CNN’s John Roberts, a former White House correspondent for CBS News, had Scott McClellan on as a guest when the former Bush White House spokesman’s "tell-all" book was about to be released in May 2008. Roberts, responding to an excerpt from McClellan’s book, declared, "[McClellan] finally articulates what we all came to believe...and further goes on to say that this war was unnecessary."
Roberts voiced similar sentiments about the Iraq War during his time at the White House. During a July 30, 2003 press conference with President Bush, he asked, "The world is a better place, and the region certainly a better place, without Saddam Hussein. But there's a sense here in this country, and a feeling around the world, that the U.S. has lost credibility by building the case for Iraq upon sometimes flimsy or, some people have complained, nonexistent evidence. I'm just wondering sir, why did you choose to take the world to war in that way?"
—Matthew Balan is a news analyst at the Media Research Center.





















Editor at Large
Comments Policy
"I'll get you, my pretty...
July 22, 2008 - 15:50 ET by SickofLibs"I'll get you, my pretty... and your little dog too!"
Now that was
July 22, 2008 - 18:49 ET by I.am.DILLIGAFa good on SoL I just spit my beer all over the desk. The song O E O Awayyyy O comes to mind you know the one with the guards going into the castle LOL
Guns and Violence are not the answer but they are one solution to the problem== SARG
I'm thinking she is the
July 23, 2008 - 01:45 ET by SoonerbornI'm thinking she is the spitting image of the lady that did the Wendy's commericals..."where's the beef".
Why have you posted a photo
July 22, 2008 - 15:52 ET by Eileen RightWhy have you posted a photo from BATMAN w/ this report?
Wrong comic. I think you
July 22, 2008 - 15:55 ET by Matthew BalanWrong comic. I think you were thinking of Pruneface. ;-)
Dick Tracy, perfect. Nuke
July 22, 2008 - 16:08 ET by Dan The Man 2Dick Tracy, perfect.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
i thought we banned HT pics
July 22, 2008 - 17:22 ET by TruthMongeri thought we banned HT pics due to obscenity concerns
Amazing
July 22, 2008 - 15:57 ET by IgnatzJFahrquarMorticians can now animate the deceased.
"All generalizations are false, including this one.” Mark Twain
"Hell No!" is a response
July 22, 2008 - 16:00 ET by fitzfong"Hell No!" is a response Helen Thomas should be used to by now. No doubt that's the response she always received from frightened men when she offered to sleep with them. If you really want to scare the neighbors this Halloween, have your kids dress up as Helen Thomas and Rory Kennedy...positively ghoulish.
"Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it." -Ronald Reagan
fitzfong.blogspot.com
would she be
July 22, 2008 - 18:46 ET by I.am.DILLIGAFclassified as a 6 pack 2 bagger or a 1 case body bagger?
Just sayin
Guns and Violence are not the answer but they are one solution to the problem== SARG
IAD
July 22, 2008 - 23:23 ET by RESTLESS 1The human form could not possibly consume enough alcohol to find helen attractive and remain conscious, (or alive). In other words "not enough beer in the keg".
"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
Restless
July 22, 2008 - 23:47 ET by I.am.DILLIGAFI fear you are right it would take more Wild Turkey then even I could drink. By the time you drank enough you would blow a .652 and be dead.
Guns and Violence are not the answer but they are one solution to the problem== SARG
Old Bag
July 22, 2008 - 16:05 ET by Emma GrumpSomebody give that old bag an enema & get her back to the home.
Everytime
July 22, 2008 - 16:11 ET by Copperhead RidgeEverytime I see Helen Thomas I think of a mudfence that I helped build.
Helen is proof that we throw ugly girls out of Kentucky at an early age.
Wow. Just wow.
July 22, 2008 - 16:21 ET by blogonatorThese comments so far are an embarassment to this website.
God forbid any of you should ever age gracefully.
Even Thomas made fun of her
July 22, 2008 - 16:38 ET by Matthew BalanEven Thomas made fun of her own appearance. From the Examiner link above:
There was one other topic Thomas feels strongly about: Her sex appeal … or rather, her lack of it. When asked if she ever used her sexuality to benefit her reporting, Thomas laughed and said: “I didn’t have the potential for being a femme fatale. … Nobody made a pass at me … I don’t think I ever got a story out of my charm. Far from it. Maybe quite the opposite.”
Surely you can recognize the difference
July 22, 2008 - 16:48 ET by blogonatorBetween you having a little joke at your own expense and me savagely mocking you because of your apperance.
It just doesn't belong on any political issues website that purports to take itself seriously. And that's stated clearly:
And, for further reference.
Francis
July 22, 2008 - 16:55 ET by UphillThe only thing that should not happen is NewsBusters posting a picture of Ms. Thomas going into dinnertime.
bloggo is havin a down
July 22, 2008 - 17:28 ET by TruthMongerbloggo is havin a down day:(!
are there no US misfortunes today that can possibly cheer him up...?
blogo....your "rightous indignation" is laughable at best.
July 22, 2008 - 16:58 ET by BEGRUNTYou and your lefty buddies here have no problem hurling insults at the president, his cabinet, Cheney etc. So please, don't even go there. Because if you do, then I better see you calling out the liberals here accordingly...........HYPOCRITE!!!!
"If a man does his best, what else is there"?
General George S. Patton Jr.
"But they did it too!..."
July 22, 2008 - 17:05 ET by blogonatorIs no excuse for juvenile behavior. I really don't care if you're conservative or liberal.
Your still a hypocrite!!
July 22, 2008 - 17:08 ET by BEGRUNT"If a man does his best, what else is there"?
General George S. Patton Jr.
Can I at least assume we're in agreement...
July 22, 2008 - 17:13 ET by blogonatorthat juvenile behavior like name-calling should not be excused when the accused points to someone else also engaged in juvenile behavior?
All I'm asking for is...
July 22, 2008 - 17:15 ET by BEGRUNTconsistency. If your going to condem something, then be consistent, and not appear to be one sided, thats all.
"If a man does his best, what else is there"?
General George S. Patton Jr.
You got a deal
July 22, 2008 - 17:21 ET by blogonatorConsistency from me in exchange for maturity from those who would attack an elderly woman for looking elderly.
Agreed.....but she still is a..
July 22, 2008 - 17:30 ET by BEGRUNTa liberal hack.
"If a man does his best, what else is there"?
General George S. Patton Jr.
Elderly woman looking
July 22, 2008 - 17:31 ET by bassndudeElderly woman looking elderly? Ye gads man! Have you ever seen her picture from when she was younger? That woman was Ugly as a 20 year old. She is not an elderly woman looking elderly. She is an ugly woman looking fug-ugly...
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
there is a place and time
July 22, 2008 - 17:31 ET by TruthMongerthere is a place and time for juvenile behavior
check out prime-time entertainment, or the DNC sometime:)
→ I'm incensed
July 22, 2008 - 17:47 ET by Cool ArrowAnd I'm shocked we would stoop so low.
I'm deeply hurt that members I hold so dear to me are engaging in flame wars over Ms. Thomas' looks.
In the words of a great American; "Can't we all just get along?"
CA I have to know
July 22, 2008 - 23:43 ET by I.am.DILLIGAFjust what great American did you get the quote from? Shurly not the drug taking, cop throwing, law breaking guy in good ole Callifornia
Guns and Violence are not the answer but they are one solution to the problem== SARG
Bloggo she is pretty
July 22, 2008 - 17:13 ET by Dan The Man 2Bloggo she is pretty hideous looking and even more so when she smiles. It reminds me of when a carnivour bares his teeth, you know he is not greeting you warmly. Admit it she is not easy on the eyes. Yes some of us are reverting to a baser mor honest part of human nature.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
Is it just me, or does
July 22, 2008 - 17:16 ET by Clear thinkerIs it just me, or does Helen look a little like the Joker in the latest Batman movie?
45 Communist Goals for America http://www.nationmakers.com/com_goals.htm
I saw the movie 2 days ago
July 22, 2008 - 17:21 ET by Dan The Man 2I saw the movie 2 days ago and remember when teh Joker was telling Dent the reason he uses knives. He uses them because the victims take longer to die and he takes more pleasure from it. So, yes, Helen could be the Joker. The Joker was more pleasant to view though.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
Maybe you're right...
July 22, 2008 - 17:20 ET by blogonatorIf people around here get their kicks making fun of the elderly, who am I to judge?
I'm sorry, grow up.
hell yes let's get back
July 22, 2008 - 17:33 ET by TruthMongerhell yes
let's get back to mocking McCain's age dammit
That at least is legitimate criticism of the left
July 22, 2008 - 17:42 ET by blogonatorSee how the debate coarsens when we allow people who focus on appearance to dominate? This is fun and constructive like spitballs and wedgies are fun and constructive. I don't for one minute think Helen Thomas is somewhere wiping away a tear or generally giving a damn what the posters here might think of her sex appeal. I don't speak up to defend her but to defend the discourse. We should all hold ourselves to higher standards.
→ Right blogo
July 22, 2008 - 17:55 ET by Cool ArrowI came in here to have a spitited discussion of Helen's views only to find the thead has deteriorated to Junior High levels.
This hurts me very deeply.
I don't know how the thread got derailed. I'm just too upset right now to continue.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE
Derailed? Serious
July 22, 2008 - 19:41 ET by JasonCDerailed? Serious discussion never even began. Any time Helen Thomas is
the subject of a story on NB, you can count on the comments to be
pathetic one-liners - authored by pathetic posters who deny their own
obvious hatefulness/misogyny while projecting it onto here - about her looks.
Like clockwork, and very very sad.
"Issue-driven politics in red-and-blue America is like a man whose
appetite for steak is greatly enhanced by his contempt for vegetarians."
Ugly inside...Ugly
July 22, 2008 - 19:56 ET by bigtimerUgly inside...Ugly outside.
Simple as that...facts are facts.
She proves it everytime she opens up her ugly leftist mouth.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Ugly inside...Ugly
July 22, 2008 - 23:44 ET by JasonCUgly inside...Ugly outside.
Simple as that...facts are facts.
What is this, Shallow Hal? I guess if that's your criteria, Rush and Michael Savage would be, what, some sort of deformed hobgoblins?
"Issue-driven politics in red-and-blue America is like a man whose
appetite for steak is greatly enhanced by his contempt for vegetarians."
Come on Jason - you and your liberal pals self rightous
July 22, 2008 - 23:56 ET by Dee Bunkindignation on this is laughable. All your heroes like John Stuart are always making fun of Conservatives for their appearance, the way they talk and their intelligence and you guys have no problems with it.
None of you guys have bothered to respond to the people who didn't mention her looks so does that mean it's the only thing you can defend?
Hi Dee !
July 23, 2008 - 00:00 ET by Free StinkerWatch this. It really pisses Jason off. ;-)
Dee: 7
Jason: 0
"They're both doofuses!" --Mark Levin (speaking of Obama and McCain)
Dee....
July 23, 2008 - 00:07 ET by MrShyYou scored a touchdown! You didn't go for the 2-point conversion instead, I take it.
:)
* * * SOCKS THE CAT '08 * * *
For REAL Change
Haven't you heard Shy? I'm special - like a goddess
July 23, 2008 - 00:20 ET by Dee Bunkeveryone else would have to work for that extra point - it's given to me because I'm one of the chosen few.
Giving me the 2 pt conversion would be taking it a little far though, the masses might rebel. ; )
Lol Free
July 23, 2008 - 00:13 ET by Dee Bunkjust like the good 'ol days!
These liberals are funny to watch when they get all self righteous. It's so absurd. Like I've said before, they tolerate this kind of behavior from their top brass and the intelligentsia and then want to act like NB is some hate monger place because a few people unload about a cranky old hateful woman whose hatefulness and crankiness makes her much more unattractive than she would otherwise be.
This is a woman who accuses our military and our President of purposefully killing civilians and were supposed to worry about what someone says about her looks? Please Helen - tell us you think Pres Bush is ugly, that would be much less hateful.
This is a woman who
July 23, 2008 - 00:18 ET by Free StinkerThis is a woman who accuses our military and our President of
purposefully killing civilians and were supposed to worry about what
someone says about her looks?
Of course. It's always the "superficial" with libs. That's why this stuff botehrs them so much.
Free - oops I meant we're and I know you meant bothers
July 23, 2008 - 00:28 ET by Dee Bunkjust thought I'd correct our typo's before someone else does.
But you are right it's always the superficial that they focus on here. They love to run around here nit picking every little word someone uses and ignore the big picture stuff. I'd also rather Helen just call President bush an A-hole than say he's purposefully killing civilians.
dee & free
July 23, 2008 - 00:33 ET by MrShyVery true about liberals, which I know firsthand with a lot of people. They're "caring" and "compassionate", but really so much of the way they perceive things and operate is on a very high superficial level.
* * * SOCKS THE CAT '08 * * *
For REAL Change
zactly shy
July 23, 2008 - 00:35 ET bythey care enough to buy a wino booze --- with my money
"You can not support the Troops if you do not support their Mission"
Right Shy and Bruce
July 23, 2008 - 00:46 ET by Dee Bunkthey can only care superficially and theoretically. They need forced contributions because they can't trust themselves to give of themselves. Advocating for dems absolves all their sins in their eyes. They can point and laugh at anyone less fortunate than them because they elect dems who care (even though they don't really care either).
Speaking for myself, Dee...
July 23, 2008 - 00:25 ET by JerI don't watch John Stuart so I'm not aware of what he has said regarding anyone's appearance.
I don't have a problem with joking about Helen Thomas' appearance within limits....I think many comments have exceeded those limits.
I do have a problem with mean-spirited and cruelly offensive descriptions of a person's physical characteristics--whether he or she is a liberal or a conservative.
It is difficult to respond to posts which don't mention her looks when they are virtually impossible to find.
Jer
Jer
July 23, 2008 - 00:30 ET by Free StinkerI'm sure you missed this post too:
Even Thomas made fun of her
Bonde, Dee - have fun with his response. It's late in EDT.
G'night Free
July 23, 2008 - 00:38 ET by Dee Bunkcatch you next time
Free...Thanks, I had missed
July 23, 2008 - 00:43 ET by JerFree...Thanks, I had missed that. I believe it's to her credit that she can make fun of herself in that manner. And, as I said before, I think some joking about her looks is OK. But, I also think it has gone a little overboard. Understand though, I'm in no way attempting to be an arbiter of acceptable commentary around here. Just stating my opinion.
Jer
Hi Jer
July 23, 2008 - 00:33 ET by BlondeIf you will forgive me, Helen is just an old horse that has been rode hard, and put away wet.
In ever sense of the sentiment.
She should have been put out to pasture eons ago.
I agree, though. The woman is plug ugly, but to denigrate her for her looks is just mean. One must grant her respect for climbing up through a male dominated profession, when that just wasn't done.
Having said that, though, she should have been put out to pasture eons ago.
Oh, how I'd love to say..."Goodnight, Helen". And never see her sour puss in the White House briefing room ever again.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Back at ya,
July 23, 2008 - 00:59 ET by JerBack at ya, Blonde...
Well, I'm sure the prevailing sentiment at NB regarding Helen would echo the old adage..."Beauty" may only be skin deep, but "ugly" goes clear to the bone.
True, Thomas is long past her prime--and peak lucidity. But I suppose she is a Washington institution of sorts, and is to be tolerated if not respected.
Jer
It depends on the person for me Jer
July 23, 2008 - 00:36 ET by Dee BunkMy point is that the things she says about Bush are much nastier and more hateful than what anyone here says about her looks. If she is going to run around saying such hateful things then she deserves what ever she gets.
If people started attacking a liberals looks who didn't say these hateful things then I'd have a problem with it too.
If Helen had died and people were saying this then I'd have a problem also.
Fair enough, Dee.
July 23, 2008 - 00:46 ET by JerFair enough, Dee.
Jer
Dee, when I got to this
July 23, 2008 - 08:21 ET by JasonCDee, when I got to this board, all but one of the 50-odd comments were about here looks, so that's what I remarked upon. The content of the story? A liberal journalist denies liberal bias in the media? You call that a story? Next you'll tell me Sean Hannity truly believes Fox is fair and balanced. Whoop-de-f***in'-doo.
Jon Stewart is my hero? Wow, touche. Dead to rights [sarc off].
Finally, you'll have to apprise me of some serious examples of liberals being so ruthless about people's looks. I'm not talking about a caricature of Bush where his ears are a little big. I mean like the way that whenever a story is about HT in this blog, the comments become utterly vicious. Every time. Often through a weird pseudosexual context. Blatant misogyny. Though it is interesting to watch a few conservatives take note of the 200-odd comments about her appearance and backpedal, essentially saying "No, what we mean is that her outward appearance is like a reflection of her political ugliness...you know, her horrible tendency to be a professional liberal woman; and ugly."
Free, being down by 7 whole points makes me want to stomp my feet and clap my hands and chant "We will rock you", or "USA! USA!" Except then I'd be one of those unfortunate people who use sports references in political blogs.
"Issue-driven politics in red-and-blue America is like a man whose
appetite for steak is greatly enhanced by his contempt for vegetarians."
Come on Jason - you can't be serious
July 23, 2008 - 10:46 ET by Dee BunkYou've never heard the comments about Catherine Harris or John Bolton? What about Ann Coulter (liberals say she looks like a man)? Then there's real broad generalizations like bill Maher and his "pasty white" comments or your favorite Red State that portrays people as ugly fat sloppy stupid hicks. Give me a break Jason the left are the first to poke fun of people for anything. Look at the treatment Hillary got from liberals just because she had the nerve to run against the Messiah. The Obama maniacs made every bit as much fun of her as any conservative for her looks and her laugh.
As I've said lots of times here, when you liberals can point to one - just one site where liberals treat conservatives with half the respect they are treated with here then maybe you'd have a point. Not one of you have taken the challenge yet so I assume there are none.
Now you liberals think that a conservative site shouldn't point out that a liberal journalist sees no media bias. Give me another f'ing break. There are many of your liberal compadres that won't even admit Helen Thomas his a bias hack.
I really can't understand why you guys think we should care if you think a story is appropriate for here or not. This is a conservative site and it makes no difference whether a liberal feels a story is worthy or not. If you want to argue the points then fine, but this superfluous nit picking is really a joke when you can't provide a single site on the liberal side that does better.
Well said Dee!!
July 23, 2008 - 12:28 ET by BEGRUNTYou hit all the points.......
"If a man does his best, what else is there"?
General George S. Patton Jr.
double post
July 23, 2008 - 13:33 ET by MrShysorry...
Jason, are you dating
July 23, 2008 - 13:32 ET by MrShyJason, are you dating Helen?
If so, we'll tone it down here (you know, to more respectable lib/nutroot sites levels :p)
Yeah, that last part was a joke. So was the first part (...or was it?)
:)
* * * SOCKS THE CAT '08 * * *
For REAL Change
cureboy, jason, biff, and the rest...
July 22, 2008 - 23:49 ET by MrShyE-VIL
+
UG-LY
=
HEL(L)-EN
* * * SOCKS THE CAT '08 * * *
For REAL Change
um....
July 22, 2008 - 23:52 ET by candance*smiles weakly and scoots away from Mr. Shy*
You have a very twisted imagination my friend.
:p
Thanks for the warning
July 22, 2008 - 23:59 ET by JasonCThanks for the warning candance. I will not be clicking those links...
"Issue-driven politics in red-and-blue America is like a man whose
appetite for steak is greatly enhanced by his contempt for vegetarians."
huh?
July 23, 2008 - 00:04 ET by MrShy"twisted imagination..." ?
"I will not be clicking those links..." ??
Geez, they're just a series of pics of Madame Ugly I got off the internet, generously compiled by Mr. Shy.
Where's the gratitude?
:p
* * * SOCKS THE CAT '08 * * *
For REAL Change
my apologies Shy
July 23, 2008 - 00:05 ET by candanceI thought you did that yourself. Guess I should have asked before I tasted shoelace.
*hangs head in shame*
candance
July 23, 2008 - 00:10 ET by MrShyApology accepted :)
And isn't Jason noble and honorable? The left always are, aren't they?
* * * SOCKS THE CAT '08 * * *
For REAL Change
at least we're having fun
July 23, 2008 - 00:15 ET by candance*pulls Mr. Shy into the corner to escape the impending flame war*
Sit, talk, relax. No need to talk about old Helen Whats-her-face anymore.
candance (& dee)
July 23, 2008 - 00:22 ET by MrShy:p
And Dee is right, how self-righteous and utterly hypocritical leftists like Jason become when we just let off a little steam on those that truly deserve some mocking, all the while they deride, name-call, etc., up the wazzoo against everyone on the right.
That woman blurted out total falsehoods and lies in those questions to Dana. Just disgusting. She is supposed to be a professional journalist withOUT an agenda.
Oh, and speaking of Dana....
BEAUTY & BRAINS
* * * SOCKS THE CAT '08 * * *
For REAL Change
yeah Shy
July 23, 2008 - 00:29 ET by candanceIt's like some of us were saying before, her bad attitude and her lies about our troops is what really makes her ugly.
candance
July 23, 2008 - 00:37 ET by MrShy"her bad attitude and her lies about our troops is what really makes her ugly."
Yes, but well, that, and, she's also wretchedly unpleasing to the eye.
But seriously, I agree.
* * * SOCKS THE CAT '08 * * *
For REAL Change
I get the same picture with
July 23, 2008 - 00:09 ET by RESTLESS 1I get the same picture with every link. What the hell????
"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
restless
July 23, 2008 - 00:11 ET by MrShySorry, they're all the same page, but it's a long scroll of goodies, not just one pic...
* * * SOCKS THE CAT '08 * * *
For REAL Change
Never occurred to me to
July 23, 2008 - 00:14 ET by RESTLESS 1Never occurred to me to scroll down. I must be tired.
"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
Restless?....... tired
July 23, 2008 - 00:28 ET by MrShyRestless?....... tired ???
:p
* * * SOCKS THE CAT '08 * * *
For REAL Change
bloganator/you want ligitimate discourse
July 23, 2008 - 00:33 ET by merlin61How's this for legitimate discourse. Helen claims
no President has taken the criticism and tyranny
like Bill Clinton. That's a big, big lie Helen.
GWB daily gets criticism and tyranny from your
left wing buddies. How's that bloganator
for "politically correct" discourse. She's still
not an attractive or personable woman.
So there!!!! bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzt
...and Obama's ears.
July 22, 2008 - 23:54 ET by Jer...and Obama's ears.
Jer
Yea okay Helen...time for your meds.
July 22, 2008 - 16:51 ET by harqmanThis is like going to a psychiatric ward full of schizophrenics off their meds and asking them if they think they are delusional. "HELL NO we are not delusional. Listen to me son. There is a difference between a transmitter of thought and a receiver of telepathic thought. I happen to be a booster station."
Wow thank you for your response. That clears it up completely.
age gracefully
July 22, 2008 - 17:14 ET by harqmanPart of ageing gracefully is ageing with dignity and self respect. She is a hack and a hateful person who cares nothing of the country. Because she presents herself as a wicked hateful troll she is viewed as a physical troll. That is a basic psychology of situations like this. She is so hateful and so unfair to the men and women of our military that when you see her you see witch. It is her fault.
I don't buy it
July 22, 2008 - 17:47 ET by blogonatorWhen you shift over to ad hominem arguments, you're on your way to a loss of respectability.
If you think she's a hack and hateful, go ahead and back up your opinion with facts. To make those claims based on superficial appearance is just that: superficial, and rhetorically useless.
the other way around
July 22, 2008 - 18:34 ET by harqmanI did not base my comments on her appearence. I simply said that because so many of us disagree with her and feel she is hateful to the country that her appearence is easy to attack her lack of attractiveness.
Familiarity with the Subject
July 22, 2008 - 22:16 ET by Copperhead RidgeI'm familiar with ugly. Heck. I'm uglier than a mudfence.
Not to be combative in any way, but . . .
July 22, 2008 - 22:16 ET by DoktorFrankenI see people wearing shorts in public everyday that should have never considered displaying their legs.
I see women wearing skin-tight pants and slacks that should have considered the brutal mental trauma they are inflicting upon the unsuspecting public. Especially children and ''more sensitive viewers''.
I have seen both men and women with enough body piercings to have been recycled to build an entire car.
Some women wear so much makeup in public you wonder if they're an escaped display from a Yoko Ono "art" exhibition.
I don't even want to talk about tattoos.
As far as Helen is concerned, there are people that are just loved by the camera - others have a face for radio. If she is going to be on national TV there should at least be a warning beforehand.
It's just common courtesy towards fellow humans.
Dok
July 22, 2008 - 22:25 ET by BlondeAre you by any chance an H.R. specialist?
Because, if so, I could use your help. I have a bunch of Gen Y'ers, or Milleniups, or whatever they're calling themselves these days.....
I seriously had conversations today about tatoos, shorts, boobies, bellies, backs, & butts....all in the context of how it relates to a "professional work environment".
Help!
And this is just in the work enviroment. I won't even get into the four hundred pound women in bikinis on Miami Beach. It's really too gross to even think about.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Blonde
July 22, 2008 - 22:34 ET by candanceI've had many jobs in customer service where we were given very strict dress codes. Men were required to shave every day. Visible tatoos were forbidden, as were tight shorts, tank tops, and heavy makeup.
Lots of employers are cracking down on that stuff.
Blonde
July 22, 2008 - 22:36 ET by DoktorFrankenSorry, but I'm on the opposite side of an HR Anything - pretty much a walking "worst nightmare" scenario. But that's mostly because of my terrible corporate attitude - I'm honest.
However, I agree with the concept of a professional work environment, as it pertains to appearance, and was never extreme in that regard. I have seen (and, sad to say, smelled) people that simply should not have come into work.
My little attempt at humor dealt mostly with people in public - the store, restaurants, bars, etc. Sorry I cannot assist you.
Well, candance & Dok
July 22, 2008 - 22:46 ET by BlondeI suppose it's a sorry statement about the workforce in general....but I am serious.
I had this conversation today.
And the consensus (from the HR POV, dok) was that I couldn't "ban" tattoos...it's now a cultural thing, hence I could be called a racist. (Of course, I can keep it to myself as I hire....hmmm).
It is, however, within my purview to ban Spandex (thank God!), and of course, without saying it to those who work for me, my own personal prejudice is no spandex for chubsters (Hi Leon!).
I can't, however, mandate shirts being neatly tucked in....might offend someone with that. I can mandate skirt length, pant length, raggedy hems, etc.
I can ban sneakers. But not CFM's. Safety is an objective, but only as it pertains to fashion. Go figure.
I am seriously shaking my head that my edict of "professional attire" has required numerous meetings, between many departments....and a document that is currently four pages in length.
We are breeding a generation of idiots in this country. It is sad.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Blonde
July 23, 2008 - 01:00 ET by DoktorFrankenFrom the sound of it, I do not envy your situation. Although I have written segments of "Employee Handbooks" and such, in my time, I have never dealt with anything that personal.
Good luck.
It is a generational thing,
July 23, 2008 - 11:41 ET by MassConservIt is a generational thing, for sure.
My wife is a manager in an office environment. She witnessed one of her subordinates, a young 20-something woman, execute a handstand/cartwheel out in the parking lot one day coming back from lunch break. The only problem was, the young 20-something was wearing a dress at the time. She thought nothing of it. That attitude and a lack of adherence to general company policy eventually lead to dismissal. Dress code and behavior being only a part.
As you said, "We are breeding a generation of idiots in this country."
B
July 22, 2008 - 22:44 ET by Free StinkerJust buy them a copy of Dress for Success.
Thank you, blogonator. At
July 22, 2008 - 22:39 ET by Cureboy675Thank you, blogonator.
At every turn, I get to hear the enlightened samaritans on this website decry the viciousness and cruelty of the left. "They have no civility. No common sense of respect or dignity" and so forth.
And yet all it takes is a story about Helen Thomas, accompanied by a picture, and the enlightened samaritans of this website work themselves up into giddy delight with juvenile snipes about her age and appearance.
True colors and all that.
Come on Cureboy
July 22, 2008 - 22:43 ET by candanceNot all of us are like that - and those of us who tried to discuss her opinions were ignored in favor of the low hanging fruit.
You're right, Candance.
July 22, 2008 - 22:51 ET by Cureboy675You're right, Candance. Not everybody is acting like that. I saw your response how you didn't agree with such personal attacks. I do not mean to include everybody. And I'm sorry for that.
Having a problem with her professional career and opinions is not out-of-line in the slightest. And its totally appropriate considering the article in question. I definitely won't argue with you there.
Nevertheless, there is still a very large number of people who don't share your attitude and choose to take the low road. And I just think that is hypocritical considering all the charges of uncivilized behavior I've seen here in the past.
Cureboy,
July 22, 2008 - 23:12 ET by RESTLESS 1If you think this is fun, you should have seen the captionfest featuring helen. Now THAT was good times.
BTW, you don't think her hate and vitriol invites some of this, just a little?
"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
Tell you what. Throw up a
July 22, 2008 - 23:17 ET by Cureboy675Tell you what. Throw up a picture of Nancy Reagan. Call it a captionfest and let me have a fantastic time with adjectives straight from Roget's Thesaurus and we'll see how quickly everybody's tune changes.
Here U Go
July 22, 2008 - 23:19 ET by contraryhttp://womenshistory.about.com/od/firstladiesus/ig/First-Ladies-Picture-Gallery/Nancy-Reagan.htm
Knock yourself out!
"I don't have time for this. You all can continue your co-dependency posts and make yourselves feel all chummy... Frankly, you all don't represent where America is going and you might as well get used to it."
--The Dooper
Nancy is, and always has
July 22, 2008 - 23:25 ET by JerNancy is, and always has been, an absolute knockout.
Jer
I've always like this
July 22, 2008 - 23:35 ET by JasonCI've always like this picture. Looks like the gipper is a little agitated about Nancy dancing with a known playboy with mob ties. But indeed, Nancy looks lovely.
Only the feeble-minded pick on someone's looks. It's easy enough to dismantle Nancy AND Ron's various ideological and political blunders without being superficial.
Waaah, the liberals are mean too! Doesn't change the fact that 95% of the posters are so predictable in their comments about HT that you cans set your watch by them.
"Issue-driven politics in red-and-blue America is like a man whose
appetite for steak is greatly enhanced by his contempt for vegetarians."
But indeed, Nancy looks
July 22, 2008 - 23:43 ET by JerBut indeed, Nancy looks lovely.
Indeed, she does. I like that strong left wing, too.
Jer
For real. Get a load of the
July 22, 2008 - 23:45 ET by JasonCFor real. Get a load of the delts. Girlfriend is ripped.
"Issue-driven politics in red-and-blue America is like a man whose
appetite for steak is greatly enhanced by his contempt for vegetarians."
Oh no. You can do better
July 22, 2008 - 23:30 ET by Cureboy675Oh no. You can do better than that. How about circa 2008 when Nancy was dragged out for the Republican debate at the Reagan Library. With the eyeglasses as thick as manhole covers.
Play fair now.
Cureboy,
July 22, 2008 - 23:36 ET by RESTLESS 1Tell you what. You find ONE picture where helen looks as good as Nancy does in that pic., and we'll lay off. Well, at least I will. Off you go.
"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
Yes. However I'm not over
July 22, 2008 - 23:50 ET by Cureboy675Yes. However I'm not over here saying Helen Thomas is the be-all end-all beautiful woman that makes me wish I was heterosexual.
If you want to attack her opinions. Go right ahead. You want to call her a leftist, America-hating, neo-nazi Socialist with plans to topple our great democracy. Feel free. There is at least a certain dignity to that type of verbal bashing.
But when the best people can come up with is "sea hag". Makes one question the maturity and intellect of the source.
Look Cureboy
July 22, 2008 - 23:34 ET by RESTLESS 1I don't see noticing that helen's face looks like a catcher's mitt any different than noticing somone is male or female. I'm pretty emotionally detached in that way. But remember, you can't judge me. *blows raspberry* ;>)
"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
candance
July 22, 2008 - 22:52 ET by BlondeAfter last night's discussion, re: Bud Day, I've decided not to engage cureboy. Both you and I gave him a fair shot at debate here, and we both were treated to the same old, same old.
So I'd suggest to you the same thing I decided...waste no more time on the trollishness.
We have better and more interesting things to discuss.
It's a waste of time....in six or twelve months, cureboy will end up just like balboa, posting inanities which we all ignore.
Just sayin.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Lets see if I've got this
July 22, 2008 - 23:08 ET by Cureboy675Lets see if I've got this straight. You've gone to the trouble of typing up a response regarding me to say that you have no plans to make any responses regarding me? Kinda defeats the purpose I would think.
But seriously, I call people out on being just plain mean and, bingo, the troll moniker instantly reappears
It must be nice to always have that little ace up your sleeve.
Just sayin.
Would someone kindly get the bug spray??
July 22, 2008 - 23:17 ET by BlondeGnats are swarming.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Oh dear. You're not (gasp)
July 22, 2008 - 23:19 ET by Cureboy675Oh dear. You're not (gasp) responding again, are you?
cureboy
July 22, 2008 - 23:29 ET byif you were someone (which you are not) or candance (which you are not) then you could claim Blonde responding to you. Since you do anyway i'd say you're nobody but a comprehension impaired misguided person
"You can not support the Troops if you do not support their Mission"
LOL. "Comprehension
July 22, 2008 - 23:35 ET by Cureboy675LOL. "Comprehension impaired". Semantics, my friend. Blonde is still making references to my existence. Hardly the behavior of one who is said to be refusing to dignify my presence with a reply.
the point oblio
July 22, 2008 - 23:39 ET byis she disregards your so called 'points' to rather point toward your plywood sharp intellect. Get a grip man when a woman tells you 'when hell freezes over' it doesn't mean wait for the next ice-age.
"You can not support the Troops if you do not support their Mission"
And botg continues the
July 22, 2008 - 23:41 ET by JasonCAnd botg continues the conservative NBers' steadfast tradition of rock-solid, not-at-all-obtuse logic (right down to that gem of a nonsensical tagline)....
Run, cureboy, run! Next thing you know Free Stinker will devise some sort of numeric debate-quantification device! Then we'll be done for!
"Issue-driven politics in red-and-blue America is like a man whose
appetite for steak is greatly enhanced by his contempt for vegetarians."
I'm a runnin! I just hope
July 22, 2008 - 23:45 ET by Cureboy675I'm a runnin! I just hope there's an EMT standing by when somebody has the unmitigated gaul to say to some of these people's faces that they may, in fact, not always be right.
I don't know. I just have these visions of Redd Foxx clutching his chest screaming, "I'm coming to see you, Elizabeth. This is the big one, baby!"
sharp logic there jase
July 22, 2008 - 23:46 ET bydo you know what obtuse means? and thus the converse not-at-all-obtuse?
actually i was responding to cb's start.
"You can not support the Troops if you do not support their Mission"
................ .........
July 22, 2008 - 23:51 ET by JasonC................
...............
...what?
"Issue-driven politics in red-and-blue America is like a man whose
appetite for steak is greatly enhanced by his contempt for vegetarians."
Sounds like a "no" to me.
July 22, 2008 - 23:52 ET by Free StinkerSounds like a "no" to me.
1)of an angle : exceeding
July 22, 2008 - 23:56 ET by JasonC1)of an angle : exceeding 90 degrees but less than 180 degrees (2): having an obtuse angle <an obtuse triangle>
Yep, that's what I meant. You're logic is so not 180 degrees. Snap!
"Issue-driven politics in red-and-blue America is like a man whose
appetite for steak is greatly enhanced by his contempt for vegetarians."
you are almost there jase
July 23, 2008 - 00:01 ET bysharp as a board.
obtuse at Dictionary.com. ... 1. not quick or alert in perception, feeling, or intellect; not sensitive or observant; dull.
your logic evidently IS quite obtuse
"You can not support the Troops if you do not support their Mission"
Thanks for confirming that !
July 22, 2008 - 23:51 ET by Free StinkerRun, cureboy, run! Next thing you know Free Stinker will devise some sort of numeric debate-quantification device! Then we'll be done for!
Thanks for confirming that the scorecard bugs you!
ROFL!
"They're both doofuses!" --Mark Levin (speaking of Obama and McCain)
Scorecard? Is that what
July 22, 2008 - 23:53 ET by JasonCScorecard? Is that what you've named it?
Brilliant! So you'll put a positive integer next to the name of the person with whom you agree and a zero or negative integer next to the name of the liberal! My god, you contribute so much around here!
"Issue-driven politics in red-and-blue America is like a man whose
appetite for steak is greatly enhanced by his contempt for vegetarians."
My god, you contribute so
July 22, 2008 - 23:57 ET by Free StinkerMy god, you contribute so much around here!
Too bad you don't realize that's an unloaded gun you're trying to shoot me with.
Weak.
Free
July 23, 2008 - 00:01 ET by BlondeGun.
Knife fight.
Liberals.
Sheesh!
We need a better class of troll, here.
Actually, I may have to amend that.
We need a better classroom of trolls, here. (How's that?).
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
We need a better classroom of trolls, here.
July 23, 2008 - 00:04 ET by Free StinkerWe need a better classroom of trolls, here. (How's that?).
Perfect.
Now if we could just isolate them to one room(thread) . . .
"They're both doofuses!" --Mark Levin (speaking of Obama and McCain)
Wouldn't that be perfect?
July 23, 2008 - 00:07 ET by Cureboy675Wouldn't that be perfect? Eliminating every point of view that differs from your own? Only having to listen and converse with people that agree with you?
Well wait a minute, isn't the whole point of this website to prevent our mainstream media from doing that very thing?
Dang it, already. If only we could have our cake and eat it too.
(yawn)
July 23, 2008 - 00:10 ET by Free Stinker(yawn)
Eloquently put. I see now
July 23, 2008 - 00:12 ET by Cureboy675Eloquently put. I see now why Blonde holds you with such esteem.
Quite, Free
July 23, 2008 - 00:10 ET by BlondeMaybe have a little forum for them.
They seem to congretate and gather here, and high five each other.....slavering all over each other's talking points like Chrissy having a leg spasm over Obama.
Disgusting!
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
I just wonder which of them
July 23, 2008 - 00:15 ET by Free StinkerI just wonder which of them is the sockpuppet for/of Olberman? ;-)
Who cares about his sock puppet?
July 23, 2008 - 00:18 ET by BlondeThe real sock puppet is back.
Too funny, mate!
Ta Ta!
Wow, Free, deja vu all over again.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
LOL!
July 23, 2008 - 00:22 ET by Free StinkerLOL!
scorecard
July 23, 2008 - 00:06 ET by shawn228Who would nitpick about a scorecard? ;-)
Some folks can dish it out but cannot take it
No names come to mind right
July 23, 2008 - 00:08 ET by Free StinkerNo names come to mind right now. :-)
Honestly. I'm not trying
July 22, 2008 - 23:42 ET by Cureboy675Honestly. I'm not trying to be difficult and argumentative. I just find it remarkable that anyone who doesn't back down from their way of thinking and agree that the other person's opinion is, in fact, correct, they are labelled a troll.
Granted, I only seem to run into a few with this way of thinking. Most on this site don't take as a personal attack if somebody dares to disagree with them.
On the other hand, if differing points of view are truly forbidden around here, please point me to that particular bylaw in the charter and I'll pick up my toys and go home.
For me, it gets old to always talk to people who are always in agreement with me.
Honestly. I'm not trying to
July 22, 2008 - 23:49 ET by JasonCHonestly. I'm not trying to be difficult and argumentative. I just find
it remarkable that anyone who doesn't back down from their way of
thinking and agree that the other person's opinion is, in fact,
correct, they are labelled a troll.
Yeah, well, get used to it, cause that's how we roll up in da NB. But apparently there's some site called the Daily Kos, and get this: not only are they liberal, but they're even less inclusive to people who disagree with them! Thus, our "you're liberal and therefore you are wrong" rhetoric is justifiable. 'Cause, you know, they're, like, worse.
"Issue-driven politics in red-and-blue America is like a man whose
appetite for steak is greatly enhanced by his contempt for vegetarians."
well then cure
July 22, 2008 - 23:50 ET bystick to the issues you argued to the person before i showed up.
"You can not support the Troops if you do not support their Mission"
No problem. I'll be
July 22, 2008 - 23:52 ET by Cureboy675No problem. I'll be waiting for the official "List of topics Cureboy is allowed to discuss in the presence of botg".
Certified mail is safest.
cureboy
July 22, 2008 - 23:57 ET byBlonde posted to Candance, you claimed some rubbish, Blonde posted to 'someone' you claimed further rubbish. Where did you pull the 'official list of topics' crap from? Watch out what kind of mushrooms they put on your pizza. (and at least be clever if smart isn't your thing)
"You can not support the Troops if you do not support their Mission"
Well, admittedly, your
July 23, 2008 - 00:01 ET by Cureboy675Well, admittedly, your statement was very vague for me:
"stick to the issues you argued to the person before i showed up."
You see, I don't have a klaxon alarm that blares the very instant you "show up".
and the alarm would keep you
July 23, 2008 - 00:12 ET byand the alarm would keep you on topic? how?
"You can not support the Troops if you do not support their Mission"
Okay, Cureboy
July 23, 2008 - 21:06 ET by doug1950Im gonna go way out on a limb here...You gay as hell aren't you.
ignorant, America-hating sea hag with the low IQ
July 22, 2008 - 22:51 ET by Free StinkerWe are being civil.
Have you actually looked at the picture? (shudder)
True colors and all that.
You're lecture might have meant something if I couldn't remember Helen Thomas, Katherine Harris, Jeane Kirkpatrick, Milicent Fenwick, and Margaret Thatcher. Just to name a few conservative women mocked for their appearance.
And you know what else? I know I'm being mean when I insult that ignorant, America-hating sea hag with the low IQ. And I admit it.
That's something else we'll never see from the Libs.
At least you're being
July 22, 2008 - 22:57 ET by Cureboy675At least you're being honest about it. I'll try and muster up some applause for you.
And, deja vu, we're just a few responses away from going back to tabulating a scorecard as to which side is actually the most cruel and vicious. That was nice and healthy.
Actually, I honestly don't care if you're mean or not. Just lets everybody know what you're really like. I just wouldn't enjoy seeing you turn around and chastise somebody else for having that same attitude. Kinda unseemly.
Wrong again. The
July 22, 2008 - 23:32 ET by Free StinkerWrong again.
The scorecard isn't about who is being "cruel and vicious". It's about who got ytheir ideas across.
Thank you for playing: Do they, or do they not have any reading comprehension?
Well you got your ideas
July 22, 2008 - 23:37 ET by Cureboy675Well you got your ideas across. I certainly can't argue with you there. I do hope you've found some pride in that and, if you have children, that you continue to pass down this benevolence to them.
That's right. Helen is
July 22, 2008 - 23:44 ET by Free StinkerThat's right. Helen is just some stranger in the crowd. Not a public person, and she has no ugly behavior or ugly words/comments that match her looks.
My mistake.
I can see now that my comments about her looks exist entirely in a vacuum, and things such as context, history, and behavior have no meaing or relevance.
And since you probably don't get this either . . . /Sarcasm Off
Like I said. If its how you
July 22, 2008 - 23:53 ET by Cureboy675Like I said. If its how you would teach your children to behave, then I'll shut up about it as far as you're concerned
You're lecture might have
July 22, 2008 - 23:09 ET by JerYou're lecture might have meant something if I couldn't remember Helen Thomas, Katherine Harris, Jeane Kirkpatrick, Milicent Fenwick, and Margaret Thatcher. Just to name a few conservative women mocked for their appearance.
Where...by whom? On the "far left hate sites"? Is it the behavior there that you wish to imitate?
Jer
Hey F S
July 22, 2008 - 23:30 ET by I.am.DILLIGAFdont forget Janet Reno (shudder) or Janet Napolitano in good ol AZ
Guns and Violence are not the answer but they are one solution to the problem== SARG
Reno was so terrible as
July 22, 2008 - 23:34 ET by Free StinkerReno was so terrible as attorney general, there was never any down time criticise her for anything else.
Janet Reno was a "her"??
July 22, 2008 - 23:39 ET by RESTLESS 1Janet Reno was a "her"?? I'd have never guessed. ;>)
I always wondered why that guy had a woman's name.
"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
hey B
July 23, 2008 - 01:49 ET by I.am.DILLIGAFI am old I refuse to get older gracefully but she makes me look good and believe me I just about could stop a 3 day clock but she could break up a mud fence at a hundred yards. That being said take all the shots you want at me. LOL
Guns and Violence are not the answer but they are one solution to the problem== SARG
Like anyone should bother
July 23, 2008 - 00:44 ET by fitzfongLike anyone should bother worrying about what a non-entity such as yourself thinks.
"Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it." -Ronald Reagan
fitzfong.blogspot.com
What We Take
July 22, 2008 - 16:46 ET by CellaThis old bag wonders how Clinton could take what he took because of the Monica scandal.
Does she know what we have to take each time we have to look at her?
The worst thing of all is that this White House hag outlived Tony Snow. There seems to be no justice.
I can only hope the justice may come, as we remember Tony most moments, most of the time. But this bilious worthless gasbag will be forgotten instantaneuosly.
Hell Yes!
What planet did she come from?
July 22, 2008 - 16:46 ET by BEGRUNTPlanet Moron, that has to explain why she's been around since the Lincoln administration.
"If a man does his best, what else is there"?
General George S. Patton Jr.
someone needs to tell helen
July 22, 2008 - 16:59 ET by charlietexassomeone needs to tell helen she's dead........
mom
Helen and her pathetic bias..
July 22, 2008 - 17:07 ET by Gary HallHelen was fond of asking President Bush and press sec.'s things like:
For the record her questioning was about our bombs killing civilians. A million? Her question was 5 years and 1 month after the start of the war, or roughly 1855 days. Simple math. That's 539 Iraqi's dying each and every day for 1855 straight days. Helen - find us one documented story of us killing 539 Iraqi civilians in one day of bombing.
Then she went on, to imply that our military makes no effort to prevent civilian deaths:
Clinton staffer, George Stephanopoulos, wrote in his book of President Clinton saying to Tony Lake, in an NSA briefing,
As president, Clinton ordered the launch of over 900 cruise missiles (and much more). He was charged and convicted in a Belgium Court of war crimes. Likewise, Nelson Mandela and Jimmy Carter condemned his bombing of civilian infrastructure and killing of civilians in Kosovo. He lied about there being a massive genocide there, in order to obtain much a much wanted UN Resolution for his war - he did not get it. The genocide, as he described it, did not occur.
Helen - where are the questions pounding President Clinton over these issues?
Following Rwanda in 1994 (800,000 killed in 90 days), we have learned Pres. Clinton turned his back on the developing crisis, for fear of getting involved, Clinton traveled to Africa, with diamond merchant and contributor, Maurice Templesman, and promised Africa and the world that we would "never again" sit on our hands in soft cushy chairs in big offices (thanks to Samatha Power) while such orror occurred. Noooooo, not on his watch.
Then, while millions continued to died in Africa from HIV/Aids, as Clinton did nothing because it did not poll well, a massive 6 country civil war, including plenty of genocide and rape and pillage - and then more people died (4 - 5 1/2 million) in this single conflict than any since WW II (according to the BBC). There was also Sierra Leone, the Ivory Coast and other horrific conflicts in Africa during the second term of Bill Clinton.
Helen Thomas - did you pound on Bill Clinton, demanding why millions of people were dying - why did he not care? Why he did not lead?
Helen. During the last year of the Clinton term, his irrationally exuberant dot.com bubble collapsed - exploded. Thousands of companies would go under, millions of American workers would loose their jobs, health insurance and life savings. The federal budget would loose a quick $trillion of the "promised" surplus because of this economic collapse.
Helen. Seriously now, has any reporter actually ever had the desire, (courage is needed only when the desire is there) to even pose the questions to Bill Clinton, not to mention subject him to this so called "type of tyranny?"
No matter what the horror in the world, no matter what we did or did not do during the 90's, no matter the level of shady dealings or the campaign corruption spilling from our white house during the Clinton era, Helen. You and your comrades never took Bill Clinton to task - on any of the social or humanitarian or international issues that you claim to care so much about.
The real question for you Helen is, why don't you hate Bill Clinton?
Bravo!
July 22, 2008 - 17:50 ET by needleWow! This is one of the best comments I have seen in a while. I hope this message gets to Helen somehow.
My only concern is that she may be simply too far up in her years to comprehend what a monumental fool and hypocrite she is. Aren't she and Carter just about the same age?
Impunitas semper ad deteriora invitat.
thanx needle.. you bring
July 22, 2008 - 18:42 ET by Gary Hallthanx needle.. you deliver Helen to my doorstep, and I'll make sure she gets the message. (;~> gary
Great post Gary!!
July 22, 2008 - 20:01 ET by BEGRUNTThat should silence the critics.
"If a man does his best, what else is there"?
General George S. Patton Jr.
Well...
July 22, 2008 - 18:49 ET by Indiana JoeThat should satisfy blogo's appetite for facts. And not a single ad hominem in there.
Nice job.
Medication time....
July 22, 2008 - 17:08 ET by harqmanThis is like going to a psychiatric ward full of schizophrenics off their meds and asking them if they think they are delusional. "HELL NO we are not delusional. Listen to me son. There is a difference between a transmitter of thought and a receiver of telepathic thought. I happen to be a booster station."
This comment is an exact quote. For any hate mongers or naysayers that want to attack and say it is not like this. I did nine years in the community mental health system. I know of what I speak and Helen sounds exactly like that. So does Keith and Chris. They all need their meds.
Wow thank you for your response. That clears it up completely
"Liberal
July 22, 2008 - 17:11 ET by ConservativeRex"Liberal bias"?....what!?.."I got nothing".
When you are in the tub
July 22, 2008 - 17:23 ET by 10ksnookerYou can't taste the bathwater.
Butt you can see...
July 22, 2008 - 18:55 ET by ontheright...the bubbles when you happen to "speak" out of the wrong end.
No pictures please
July 22, 2008 - 17:32 ET by needlePlease, Matthew and others, when you have something to post concerning Helen Thomas would you please, please, please refrain from including an actual picture of her? It is enough to put anyone off his dinner.
Impunitas semper ad deteriora invitat.
What an idea, The Helen
July 22, 2008 - 17:44 ET by Dan The Man 2What an idea, The Helen Thomas Diet. Whenever you feel hungry one look and wala the hunger goes away. Caution extended use might cause long term psychiatric problems.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
sorry Dan
July 22, 2008 - 17:51 ET by candanceNo offense, but the Grammar Nazi is coming out in me....
wala is supposed to be spelled voila. It's French.
sorry but
July 22, 2008 - 18:38 ET by I.am.DILLIGAFits only spelled that way if your not a southerner LOL
sorry had to go there
Guns and Violence are not the answer but they are one solution to the problem== SARG
Helen Thomas
July 22, 2008 - 17:48 ET by candanceI won't comment on Helen's appearance because I agree with blog (at least on this) that superficial insults are the stuff of Koskids.
Besides, she has more than enough to criticize simply through her politics. As others here have noted, she accused the Bush administration of killing innocent people but ignored Clinton lying about Milosevic to invade Bosnia.
And now she sits there saying she can't find any courageous libs among her colleagues. For that statement alone, either she's being dishonest or she's too stupid to know what's going on around her - regardless of her age.
I must say...there is very little respect
July 22, 2008 - 17:58 ET by JerI must say...there is very little respect being shown here for someone who--it can now be revealed--once served (under a pseudonym of course) as the Prime Minister of Israel.
Jer
What a babe! 45
July 22, 2008 - 18:02 ET by Clear thinkerWhat a babe!
45 Communist Goals for America http://www.nationmakers.com/com_goals.htm
Why, CT . . .
July 22, 2008 - 22:26 ET by DoktorFrankenI had no idea you were such a sexist pig!!
/s
→ Is she Catholic?
July 22, 2008 - 18:16 ET by Cool ArrowOh, I'm sorry, I forgot we're supposed to be making fun of ugly people rather than questioning their political beiefs and their reasons for holding them.
No offense to Catholics, it's just that I see a tight parallel between this derail and others in the past.
Delicious.
→ That being said
July 22, 2008 - 21:02 ET by Cool ArrowI certainly don't want anybody to believe I really have a problem with politically incorrect banter.
Not that there was any chance of that assumption being made.
double post
July 22, 2008 - 19:39 ET by JasonCdouble post
Matthew Balan.. Did you intentionally grab that screen
July 22, 2008 - 19:59 ET by JTPcapture while those words were scrolling at the bottom?
"Creamatory seeking more discarded...." I would like to plug in a few White House reporters names to finish the sentence...
"I need more cowbell!" SNL
Helen Thomas - Out Of Her Mind
July 22, 2008 - 20:50 ET by BeukeboomHelen Thomas has been in her own little bizarro world for quite some time now. She's long since offboarded the reality express.
how does an irrelevent seahag get an hbo special
July 22, 2008 - 22:17 ET by lunaticcringeradioher opinion is worth as much as what's in her depends undergarments.
i don't even want to imagine what she had to do to get off the producers couch for this.
and while i'm taking easy potshots and a bitter cenile james trafficant haircut wearing idiot, why if according to her clinton was under such a tyrannical attack by the press at her elbows(while i interpreted their actions as a ring of teenage hangers on cheering the big shot guy in high school who got to third base with a chick in the backseat of his daddys car), why didn't she step up and take chage over things, ah lets add blind and incompetant to her qualities as well too.
lunaticcringeradio
seahag ?
July 22, 2008 - 22:23 ET by Free Stinkerseahag
That's who Helen reminds me of in that pic. ;-)
Just add a headscarf and some green skin . . .
Sea hag
July 22, 2008 - 22:40 ET by Cool ArrowNow you've got Helen confused with Nancy Pelosi.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE
Please! Give us a warning
July 22, 2008 - 22:20 ET by Free StinkerPlease!
Give us a warning for the picture! :-(
Admittedly Cheap-Shot
July 22, 2008 - 23:11 ET by seanrobinsAdmittedly Cheap-Shot Department:
I know its only a still of Helen Thomas (above), but I was kinda hoping that the reference in the "crawl" at the bottom of the screen, about a "Georgia crematory", somehow pertained to Thomas.
sean robins
blog.seanrobins.com
Count me on the side of
July 23, 2008 - 00:15 ET by dodecahedronCount me on the side of those who thinks it is immature, cruel, and degrading to the Newsbusters Site to make fun of Helen's looks. I think conservatives should attempt to stay above that type of personal attack. It's easy to make fun of someone's looks, but it doesn't do much to intellectually advance the debate over political ideology.
Having said that, it's open season on Helen's ridiculous denial of liberalism in the media. Of course she is going to say that the media isn't liberal, since that admission would marginalize her own reporting. Instead of being a subjective reporter making an unbiased analysis of a given situation, she'd have to admit that she is simply a leftist tool who takes the truth and spins it to match her own political ideology.
Would anyone expect her to say anything different?
here here dodeca
July 23, 2008 - 00:18 ET by candanceI agree 100%
Hell yes! The Rocky
July 23, 2008 - 02:22 ET by wiwfHell yes!
The Rocky Mountain Collegian: Illustrating Idiocy
I have a few choice words for that old battleaxe
July 23, 2008 - 06:44 ET by BobAnthonyOFF TO THE REST HOME, YA HAG!
to be fair and
July 23, 2008 - 07:42 ET by Paul Gto be fair and balanced..Dick Gregory isnt no Rock Hudson either IMHO
So what you're saying is...
July 23, 2008 - 09:03 ET by theduck6Dick gregory isn't gay?
If you are on the looney left fringe even uberlibs seem middle of the road.
Hell-on Wheels.
July 23, 2008 - 22:20 ET by CrashHalloween beat Christmas in malls this year? "Nothing to see here ... just a corpse ... move along folks!" High Definition is a bad thing. Damned FCC, they should show more nipples ... less wrinkled crones.
Sour Puss
July 23, 2008 - 22:37 ET by BarkerHelen Thomas is The Face of the Dinosaur Media.
huh?
July 24, 2008 - 10:26 ET by ghendricHow old is this old broad? We need less of these types of people...