With Starbucks’ announcement that it will closing 600 of its locations nationwide, the network morning shows on Wednesday heralded this news as another sign of a bad economy. ABC’s Bianna Golodryga on "Good Morning America" lamented that "Americans are struggling just to pay for a cup of Starbucks coffee." NBC’s Matt Lauer’s clever headline: "Trouble brewing -- Starbucks announces its closing 600 stores in the next year. Is the demand for $4 lattes dying in a tough economy?"
But CBS’s "The Early Show" took the puns and the "doom and gloom" to a new level. Host Maggie Rodriguez teased the headline news: "Starbucks shutting its doors on hundreds of stores. Tough economic times or just a grande letdown?" Correspondent Ben Tracy, in his report on the closings, quipped, "The economic slowdown has been a real grind for Starbucks' profits. After filling up their gas tanks, some coffee lovers don't have enough left to fill up their cups."
Tracy began his report, which began six minutes into the 7 am Eastern hour with another coffee reference, that "[t]he now ubiquitous green coffee giant has decided its time to decaffeinate itself." He then detailed Starbucks’ plan and used a sound bite from a professor who attributed part of the problem to the company becoming "too big." He followed this with his "gas tanks" line.
TRACY: The company already planned to shed 100 of its stores. Now it will close a total of 600 underperforming outlets in the coming months, cutting up to 12,000 of its workers. USC marketing professor Lars Perner says Starbucks became too big just as consumers cut back.
LARS PERNER: I think these 600 may be just the beginning of the ones to come. They may have to close even more of them over time.
TRACY: The economic slowdown has been a real grind for Starbucks profits. After filling up their gas tanks, some coffee lovers don't have enough left to fill up their cups.
RACHEL PRESTON: People are spending less money on coffee because there's more important things to spend their money on, like gas.
TRACY: Starbucks CEO Howard Schultz, recently brought back to reinvigorate the company, said in a statement that closing the stores is 'the most angst-ridden decision' he has made in his more than 25 years with Starbucks. But the company says this is part of its plan to return Starbucks to its roots and win back customers. Which also includes the recently launched Pike Place Roast, named after Starbucks' first location in Seattle. If you're starting to worry about getting your Starbucks fix, don't. Despite these store closings, there are still more than 10,000 Starbucks left to keep you caffeinated. Ben Tracy, CBS News, Los Angeles.
Golodryga’s "Good Morning America" report underlined the importance of the economy as an issue in the general election, and used the Starbucks closures as "just the latest sign of an economy in trouble." The following is the transcript of the beginning of the report, which aired near the top of the 7 am Eastern hour:
DIANE SAWYER: ...Tuesday, Starbucks announced that it is shutting down hundreds of coffee shops across the country in the wake of disappointing sales, as families, of course, wrestle with far more central and important struggles. But will this election deliver the answers? We're going to be talking to John McCain, Senator McCain, in just a moment. But first we'll turn to ABC's Bianna Golodryga. Bianna?
BIANNA GOLODRYGA: Good morning, Diane. It is just the latest sign of an economy in trouble. While Wall Street is struggling to remain profitable, Americans are struggling just to pay for a cup of Starbucks coffee. Now, the presidential candidates say that they know how to help, but, of course, as always, actions speak louder than words. With corporate icon Starbucks announcing Tuesday it's closing eight percent of its stores, 600 in all, the same day auto sales sunk 18 percent, and Wall Street teetered on the edge of a bear market, experts say the signs for the economy are troubling....
Besides Lauer’s "trouble brewing" line, "The Today Show" presented a more balanced explanation of the coffee retailer’s woes. Correspondent Amy Robach quoted author Karen Blumenthal, who had the same line of thinking as the expert on "The Early Show." She attributed the closures to Starbucks’ expansion of locations over the past few years, which "over-saturated the marketplace." But Blumenthal, in one of her two sound bites, couldn’t avoid using the word "recession."
The transcript of Robach’s report, which aired 12 minutes into the 7 am Eastern hour of "Today:"
ROBACH (voice-over): The coffee giant is in need of a pick-me-up. On Tuesday, the Seattle company announced it will be closing 8.5% of its U.S. company-operated stores by March of 2009.
UNIDENTIFIED MAN (outside a Starbucks): It's probably the sign of the times due to business and lack of.
ROBACH: With over 11,000 locations nationwide, the world's largest coffeemaker did not name specific Starbucks, but said the closings will be across all major U.S. markets.
KAREN BLUMENTHAL, AUTHOR, "GRANDE EXPECTATIONS:" Starbucks used to think they were recession-proof, that nothing could affect their sales.
ROBACH: The author of 'Grande Expectations' says the company over-saturated the marketplace.
BLUMENTHAL: And I think they probably opened up too many stores, especially, given what's happened in the economy in the last year or two.
ROBACH: What some have called the 'latte index' has crashed as consumers cut back on name-brand coffee.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (outside a Starbucks): I don't think use the Starbucks as much as I used to.
ROBACH: Also facing tough competition from Dunkin' Donuts and McDonald's, Starbucks' spokesperson said 70% of the underperforming locations to be closed are stores opened since 2006, during the company's rapid expansion.
HOWARD SCHULTZ, STARBUCKS CEO: I think very few things in America that have gotten big have stayed good. I think that's true. We're very mindful of that.
ROBACH: Last year, the CEO of Starbucks, Howard Schultz, defended the company's unprecedented growth.
SCHULTZ: We can get big and stay small, and, I think, embraced the heritage and the tradition of traditional coffeehouse.
ROBACH: Starbucks' stock has lost 48% of its value since 2006. Forced to brew a new business plan, the company also plans to turn 7% of its work force.
—Matthew Balan is a news analyst at the Media Research Center.





BIANNA GOLODRYGA: Good morning, Diane. It is just the latest sign of an economy in trouble. While Wall Street is struggling to remain profitable, Americans are struggling just to pay for a cup of Starbucks coffee. Now, the presidential candidates say that they know how to help, but, of course, as always, actions speak louder than words. With corporate icon Starbucks announcing Tuesday it's closing eight percent of its stores, 600 in all, the same day auto sales sunk 18 percent, and Wall Street teetered on the edge of a bear market, experts say the signs for the economy are troubling....









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Wait, but isn't starbucks
July 2, 2008 - 13:54 ET by wiwfWait, but isn't starbucks an evil corporation? So isn't this a good thing to the MSM?
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→ Starbucks
July 2, 2008 - 13:57 ET by Cool ArrowNo way. They have coffees with European sounding names.
Sheesh.
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too much consumption
July 2, 2008 - 14:32 ET by danhatI thought that Americans were gluttons and consumed way too much. I would think this would be good news for liberals. This should make headlines all across the globe.
You know...
"Piggish Americans finally cut back on items they don't need, like coffee from an over-priced, trendy coffee shop that even has a drive through because the obese Amereican pig customers are too fat and lazy to get out of theri gas-guzzling, environment killing, soul sucking automobiles."
Ok. That headline might be a little long.
Dan
Dear Libs,
Normally I don't root for the disease. But in your case I am willing to make and exception.
if it can possibly be
July 2, 2008 - 14:43 ET by TruthMongerif it can possibly be suggested we have an "oil addiction" then we sure as hell have a coffee addiction - and it actually is a real medical addiction to boot
Time to investigate BIG COFFEE!
July 2, 2008 - 13:58 ET by TyromacHoly crap, $4 for a latte! What is that, something like $32/gallon for coffee? The dems need to jump on that and launch a price gouging investigation and suggest a windfall profit tax on big coffee! When is the Starbucks CEO scheduled to go in front of the committee to justify this outrageousness?
More Economic Sunshine
July 2, 2008 - 14:01 ET by JDWThe news media once again showers us with more positive news.
Feel-good-about-America.org
JDW
Remember the Countrywide Six?
Who forgot to write about the advances in Iraq?
If bin Laden is presumed innocent, why not just shoot him there?
the hearts of starving
July 2, 2008 - 16:08 ET by TruthMongerthe hearts of starving Africans go out to these starbucks-deprived yuppies - horrific, tragic - can't something be done?!?!?
Not a lot of sympathy
July 2, 2008 - 14:02 ET by ChuckM from PAFor those that had enough money to buy a $4.00 cup of coffee (wow, I still can't believe I am saying that), and now can't afford it because of paying too much for gas, I don't have a lot of sympathy for that sector of the economy. $4 for a cup of coffee (there I said it again). Talk about expensive products, forget about gas being expensive. Those Starbucks stores needed to close down, trying to sell coffee for $4 a cup.
ChuckM, I guess
July 2, 2008 - 17:07 ET by DEVILDOCMOMit is just how you chose to spend your money. I have had maybe, 2 Starbucks in the last year...usually at an airport. I COULD afford it, but that is not where I CHOSE to spend my hard-earned dollars. I also make my lunches for work (I'm an ER RN) although, on the rare times I even have a lunch break, I could eat in the cafeteria.
There was a discussion on NBers a while back regarding cutting back on driving because of the cost of gas. I said I had not changed my driving habits and I have not...but I have always combined trips and other similar savings. Although the way I drive-pedal to the metal-I most likely wipe out any cost savings lol.
I agree with your point about the cost of gas vs coffee, coffe is quite expensive. I make my own at home...still make camp coffee with an egg.
Me and my co worker make fun
July 2, 2008 - 14:11 ET by dvdaughtryMe and my co worker make fun of the Starbucks drinkers in our office.
We have a think they reuse the cup and put in the free office coffee.
You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
This is a Grande Floppicino
July 2, 2008 - 14:13 ET by c5thenForgett about gasoline costing $4 a gallon! Starbucks had the cojones to charge people $64 a gallon for COFFEE!!!!!
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Fuel and food inflation does
July 2, 2008 - 14:14 ET by Ten7sFuel and food inflation does decrease discretionary income. This at least would account for some of Starbuck's problems, more hamburger less steak... The other problem is deflationary pressure from the credit derivatives catastrophe (e.g. CDOs, CDSs,...), which is slowly unfolding as we blog.
So ... this is actually good economic news?
July 2, 2008 - 14:16 ET by Anderson“... the network morning shows on Wednesday heralded this news as another sign of a bad economy ...”
If this is media bias, then the inverse must be true. Starbucks is closing 600 stores because the economy is not in the crapper, but humming along nicely. Funny, I wouldn’t have thought of it that way. Perhaps you could elucidate me on this concept.
Sort 'a like ...
July 2, 2008 - 14:23 ET by AndersonWait, I think I answered my own question! When the canary in a coal mine dies, it actually means there will be more breathable air for the miners! It’s all in how you view the world, I guess. As the song goes, “Accentuate the positive, deccentuate the negative.”
Starbucks is just old,
July 2, 2008 - 14:57 ET by DarkCurrentStarbucks is just old, tired and boring. I live in a place where we have plenty of Starbucks and 8%+ annual economic growth. Even so I see fewer and fewer patrons in Starbucks whenever I pass by. I expect they'll start closing here too soon. The charm has predictably worn off the '90s Seattle chic.
Btw, "here too soon" is how
July 2, 2008 - 14:59 ET by DarkCurrentBtw, "here too soon" is how those of us born and raised in Seattle talk
Out with the old; in with the new
July 2, 2008 - 22:59 ET by hookrightDarkie is on the money here. The left turned on them, much as it did the Clintons. All of the sudden boutique coffee, and even more expensive crap, is the rage. Starbucks is just old, boring and, worst of all, available at Target.
The only thing keeping
July 2, 2008 - 23:07 ET by Clear thinkerThe only thing keeping Starbucks going are teenagers. Kids have this thing about their Latte's.
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The bias is in the cause that they attribute to the closings.
July 2, 2008 - 14:23 ET by c5thenIt's been well known in the investment community that Starbucks has been expanding way too fast to sustain all their new stores. Notice that all the stores they are closing are ones that opened AFTER 2006.
I'm sure that the economic conditions in some areas is a contributing factor, but it certaintly isn't the primary factor and gas prices are only one economic factor. So to attribute Starbucks predicament to gas prices is completely disingenuous.
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More good news!
July 2, 2008 - 14:43 ET by AndersonIn related news, another harbinger for a burgeoning economy is that automakers have posted their worst sales in 15 years. http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080702/BUSINESS01/807020390
While some mistakenly view this as “a bloodbath for the industry,” forward-thinking economists understand that fewer auto sales means less fuel consumption, thus leading to lower gasoline prices, and more people will be walking their way to a healthier life, leading to lower rates of obesity and savings in the health care sector. As Drudge would say , Developing ...
If I just flip you a few
July 2, 2008 - 15:01 ET by Dan The Man 2If I just flip you a few coins will you go back under the bridge?
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
"Starbucks is closing 600
July 2, 2008 - 15:32 ET by Killgrave"Starbucks is closing 600 stores because the economy is not in the crapper, but humming along nicely."
Are you familiar with the concept of "false dichotomy"?
As other people here pointed out, Starbucks may be going under because of other factors outside the economy. Perhaps they opened WAY too many stores? Isn't it a cliche that there is a Starbucks on every corner? Hell, the Simpsons did a joke about it ten years ago.
But your ilk is going to dig up every instance, real or imagined, about how rotten the economy is. Because you are pretty desperate to get your bobble-head in, so he can somehow fix everything with regulation, taxation, and energy rationing.
It's a fact, Jack (actually several facts)
July 2, 2008 - 16:03 ET by AndersonKillgrave,
It is a known fact that when family budgets get pinched because of higher costs; be it energy, food, healthcare, transportation, or in our nation’s case all of the above, that people respond by cutting back where they can. Ask yourself, how is it that Starbucks was able to expand so notably through the years and then all of a sudden have to cut back?
News outlets like to cover the human aspect of this equation as more people relate to it. That is also a fact.
Look at the auto industry. People don’t want cars anymore that burn a lot of gas because of the cost of fuel, so the industry is currently in a freefall. To me, this is all common sense. What parts of this don’t make sense to you?
I had enough money left
July 2, 2008 - 14:37 ET by Lord ElicaniI had enough money left over after filling up to go get a $4.57 mocha frap before work today. Maybe people are just tired of shelling out ten bucks for two coffees.
Murrow turning over in his grave
Murrow turning over in his grave
Ed Murrow had a child and the damn thing went wild
- Lindsey Buckingham
Also, we sat up at Domino's
July 2, 2008 - 14:40 ET by Lord ElicaniAlso, we sat up at Domino's this morning and counted the Starbucks in our immediate area (10 mile radius). We got about 25. I think gas isn't the reason, it's that they're opening stores on every other corner (or, in our case, the freestanding store 200 yards from the store inside the Target, etc. ad nauseum).
Murrow turning over in his grave
Murrow turning over in his grave
Ed Murrow had a child and the damn thing went wild
- Lindsey Buckingham
You may be right that they
July 2, 2008 - 14:52 ET by motherbeltYou may be right that they have saturated most areas. Plus, I think it's something that's a big deal when they first open, but after a while people get tired of paying through the nose for a cup of coffee.
I forget who the comedian was that said "Starbucks...the best $4 cup of coffee you can buy!
Shoot 'em all; let God sort 'em out! - Marge Simpson
mb,They used to claim
July 2, 2008 - 15:16 ET by Chris Normanmb,
They used to claim that could put so many stores so close together because they found a way to determine what direction people would walk or drive to get a cup of coffee from any area in question. So, even if a store was closer to a customer than another, they would walk or drive to the further store - if it was in the right direction. So, they would load up stores in every direction - even a block or two apart. I never did understand their rationale - I guess they really didn't either. I find that when companies do something that makes sense only to them, it usually doesn't make any sense at all, in the end.
'Retail'
July 2, 2008 - 14:59 ET by JDWThere are a lot of stores. I work out of my house but would never waste my time driving to one every morning to get coffee. It can be purchased in bags from Wal-Mart... and simply brewed at home. Nobody mentions this.
JDW
Remember the Countrywide Six?
Who forgot to write about the advances in Iraq?
If bin Laden is presumed innocent, why not just shoot him there?
Steamed
July 2, 2008 - 15:01 ET by AndersonI filled up a car and a mini-van today and I am $100 poorer. The last thing I wanted was a hot cup of Joe because there was already to much steam coming out of my ears.
Poor little Anderson....I
July 2, 2008 - 15:23 ET by bassndudePoor little Anderson....I fill up my wifes van and my truck and Im down 150 bucks. Buddy of mine fills up his truck, he is out 140 bucks for 30 gallons of diesel...
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
Well, you know what they
July 2, 2008 - 17:48 ET by motherbeltWell, you know what they say...."Things are tough all over."
If Obama is elected, will the price of gas go down?
What do you think should be done?
Shoot 'em all; let God sort 'em out! - Marge Simpson
$20 a barrel? Worth starting a war?
July 2, 2008 - 19:28 ET by AndersonI think we shouldn't have invaded Iraq for oil, but that is water over the dam. Do you agree with Rupert Murdock when he said in support of the pending war in Iraq:
"The greatest thing to come out of this for the world economy, if you could put it that way, would be $20 a barrel for oil. That's bigger than any tax cut in any country"?
Swell! Thanks Mr. Murdock for your wisdom an insight! $4,000 American soldiers dead, 40,000 wounded, tens of thousands (at a minimum) of Iraqis killed, the entire Middle East about to pop off like a nuclear cork, all so we could get a larger than life tax break. By the way, Mr. Murdock, you were only off by $125/barrel.
I really hate, I mean,
July 2, 2008 - 20:16 ET by Chris NormanI really hate, I mean, really hate, to get involved with this, but she did ask you, "What do you think should be done?" You come back with your "over the dam" opposition to a reason you made up on why Iraq was invaded and then quote something you claim that old Rupert Murdock said? That's your answer? Wow. I'm glad that you're not in charge of lowering the price of gas.
Then why did you?
July 2, 2008 - 20:58 ET by AndersonHate is a strong word. You apparently crossed into it because you felt you had to.
In answer to the question though, how do you drain a swamp? I didn't create the swamp, nor am I supervising the swamp, and I must admit I am clueless as to how to roll back time to fix the problem we have created, as a nation united, in Iraq.
Let's try the full-tilt boogie, though. Let's invade Iran to see what happens. Maybe it will fix everything!
Another possible solution: When we finally realized the mistake of the Vietnam conflict, we withdrew. Low and behold, we are now happy good friends and full trading partners. Should we mirror that solution?
Inquiring minds should read history.
Anderson the new resident dullard?
July 3, 2008 - 10:36 ET by Melodic_MetalAnderson, he asked you a direct question and you responded with cryptic 'nuance' BS about swamps. Answer the question like you know you should. Iraq ha sNOTHING to do with oil. These little false tid bits you libs like to throw out there have been debunked time and time again. But don't let FACTS get in the way.
OPEC has their hand on the output knob, and if you don't believe that, you are truly hopeless.
And don't go around with your pychiatric BS of 'hate is big word..' GOOD GRIEF
We're all adults here.
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Overpriced Pretentious Swill
July 2, 2008 - 14:57 ET by Davester65Gee, and I always thought Starbucks was in trouble because they charged $4+ for coffee that tastes like donkey-p*** and feel superior because they do that. I'll take coffee from Dunkin Donuts or McDonalds anyday.
I call Starbucks coffee "the
July 2, 2008 - 15:06 ET by Chris NormanI call Starbucks coffee "the black hole", because no matter how much cream you pour in, it stays black.
and you know this because...
July 2, 2008 - 15:09 ET by sixlbs9ozDo you actually know what donkey pee tastes like? How would you describe it? "Acidic top notes, heavy mouth feel, with a strong finish?"
I couldn't resist. :)
I actually like my coffee very strong, and Starbucks fits the bill. I'll drink a double-espresso black, if that gives you any idea. But the greatest thing about Starbucks' success is the capitalistic counterbalance, that is, that McD's, Wendy's, Chick-Fil-A (Bistro Dark... yum), and others have figured out that a lot of folks like good, strong, fresh, coffee. Wendy's has a dark/light option. QuikTrip has Dark Roast and a Columbian that are both decent.
I love capitalism.
Market was "brewed too strong"
July 2, 2008 - 15:14 ET by sixlbs9ozTo continue the silly puns in the quoted news copy, "Like Starbucks' heavily saturated brews, they have built so many stores, that they have saturated the market."
There's a corner near my house in Phoenix/Mesa/Tempe where there are at least three coffee shops: two on the NE corner, and one on the SW. The Starbucks is the best-located out near the street, but there's just so much competition, that all three can't be doing well.
The best coffee shop around is nearer to my house, and it's a mom-and-pop place that French presses all of their own coffee. As much as I take issue with the French, I love his French-pressed French Roast. It's my favorite coffee. And I like supporting the local business.
Does anyone else remember
July 2, 2008 - 16:17 ET by Chris NormanDoes anyone else remember the great scene from an old episode of The Simpsons, when they're walking through a mall and, in the background, every other store is a Starbucks? "It was funny, because it was true".
Fairly Unbalanced
July 2, 2008 - 15:46 ET by CrashBarrel Prices: Oil $140, Gasoline $189, Starbucks Coffee $2226, Milk $896. All prices based on premium. And for those hippies out there, how much is an ounce of weed ... $700?
$700 for an OUNCE....you
July 2, 2008 - 16:43 ET by red_dragon311$700 for an OUNCE....you bet your @ss it's premium
A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have.
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For $5.00 I can buy a bag
July 2, 2008 - 15:58 ET by Hero SquadFor $5.00 I can buy a bag of fine Eight O'Clock coffee that'll last me nearly two weeks (let's say 10 days).
Why would I spend $40 for the same amount of coffee during the same time period? For the cup? Sparkling conversations with the barista?
That makes smart economic sense whether gas is $4.00 or $1.00 a gallon. More expensive gas only makes me more acutely aware of money I don't need to be spending.
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"People only insist that a debate stop when they are afraid of what might be learned if it continues." - George Will
Forget the 4 bucks, the
July 2, 2008 - 16:02 ET by midnight cowboyForget the 4 bucks, the attitude of their baristas, a bunch of punks who make sure they let you know in some form that your purchase is interrupting their conversation.
Good news for CBS, eh
July 2, 2008 - 18:43 ET by GalvanicIf it's true that higher gasoline prices are causing Starbuck's customers to buy less coffee, than the MSM should be overjoyed, because that same high priced gasoline should make cable TV unaffordable, forcing customers to return the broadcast networks for news and entertainment.
Doesn't Bother Canadians
July 2, 2008 - 22:03 ET by steve2526Gas in Canada is around $1.30 per litre, but that doesn't stop Canadians from lining up for their coffees at Tim Hortons, which are on just about every corner in Canada! :-)
Let's face it, the reason Four-bucks is closing so many stores is that the coffee they sell is crap-tastic.
Make mine a Timmy's -- cream, no sugar.
A member of the right-wing media
If designer coffee is dying
July 2, 2008 - 22:39 ET by CJK51If designer coffee is dying because of a slow economy, why is it you can't drive a mile without running into a Dunkin' Donuts? I don't really drink coffee, but it seems to me Dunkin' Donuts offers a lot of the chic-chic type coffees Starbucks sells and within 5 miles of my house, there are at least eight of them, compared to the two Starbucks. Could the answer lie in the fact that Starbucks' business model is running out of steam and people are tired of coughing up $5.00 for coffee?
I know this is totally anecdotal, but it just strikes me as a bit ironic that the media is mourning the troubles of an evil corporation. Or are the less evil since they are based in Seattle?
My son was a Barista for
July 3, 2008 - 10:33 ET by marpelMy son was a Barista for Starbucks during his college years. He saw the company go from a good company to a company out to hook people in every way they could...physically, mentally, socially. The company used to treat their Baristas with respect and dignity. Then they decided that by automating everything, they could turn the profits faster; like coffee on an assembly line. There was no need for the talents of the true Baristas anymore. They just needed a warm body to push a button while pushing the latest featured drink. They hired people with absolutely no work ethic to be Baristas. It became such a commercial disaster. But by that time, you had addicts rushing to Starbucks everyday, several times a day, screaming for their fix. I thought it was the most bizarre thing...Anyway, Starbucks failed on their own. They didn't need gas prices to affect them. Even though Schultz is back at the helm, the company will never recover from the mistakes of the past....Unless they tear it down and build it back up again from scratch. But I even have my doubts about that. Just my opinion.