In the wake of the new National Intelligence Report which found that Iran apparently halted its nuclear weapons program, some in the media rallied around a single word to describe the revelation - "embarrassment"
‘Face the Nation’ anchor Bob Schieffer, in a conversation with anchor Russ Mitchell following President Bush’s press conference on Tuesday, thought the finding rose to a level higher than embarrassment.
RUSS MITCHELL: Bob Schieffer is our chief Washington correspondent and anchor of 'Face the Nation.' And Bob, the President said he was having a good time up there, but to this observer and to others in the room, he did not look like having a good time. Despite his resolve, what are you hearing? Is this an embarrassment for the administration?
BOB SCHIEFFER: I think it's more than an embarrassment, Russ. I think it's very disturbing, because, listen to what the President just said on the record. He said more than three years ago, Iran had shut down its nuclear weapons program. We did not, apparently, realize that something was changing until this summer, and we were not certain of it, and the President was not told of it, until last week. This raises questions about the credibility of all these reports. We also do not know what caused the intelligence community to change its mind on this. Was it a defector? There must have been something major that caused this reversal, and until we know that, I think it's very difficult to make a judgment on this report and all the other intelligence reports.
Several hour later on CNN’s "The Situation Room," the same 'E' word turned up during a conversation between Wolf Blitzer and Jack Cafferty. The conversation took place during the 4 pm Eastern hour of the program, after a report by CNN senior political correspondent Bill Schneider on the possible domestic political fallout from the revelation, and just prior to Cafferty’s "The Cafferty File" segment.
WOLF BLITZER: Let's check in with Jack Cafferty. He's got 'The Cafferty File,' joining us from New York. I know in our 6 pm hour, we're going to talk in our round table about this, Jack, but it's pretty embarrassing, when you think about it.
JACK CAFFERTY: I was going to say. We have got to look like the gang who couldn't shoot straight to the rest of the world. We got a President pounding the desk, saying Iran is going to start World War III. Then we have our own intelligence people saying, 'Hey, they gave that program up four years ago.' I mean, it's embarrassing. That's the right word. And it's shameful. I mean, we ought to be better than that.
—Matthew Balan is a news analyst at the Media Research Center.
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"It's an 'embarassment',
Tue, 12/04/2007 - 18:55 ET by Chris Norman"It's an 'embarassment', because we say it is!".
NIE's come out every year,
Tue, 12/04/2007 - 18:57 ET by MrShyNIE's come out every year, and different each time. It's UNBELIEVABLE, the mileage the MSM is squeezing out of this.
It was top-billing/frontpage stuff on NY Times... and I mean, front-page... half of it, with a huge headline !!
"I still love NewsBusters." - Mr. Shy
What is most embarrassing
Tue, 12/04/2007 - 19:20 ET by Gat New YorkWhat is most embarrassing is that Bush is incapable of defending himself and properly positioning this NIE Report which was not done by intelligence experts but instead by former foreign policy people. U.S. Intelligence has not gotten nuclear weapons programs right from the Soviet Union to Libya to Korea to Syria to Iraq and now Iran.
What is being intentionally overlooked by the MRM is the revelation that Iran even had a clandestine nuclear weapon program.
Wait a minute. Ahmadinejad
Tue, 12/04/2007 - 19:20 ET by Gary P JacksonWait a minute. Ahmadinejad has been boasting he wants to use his nukes to blow up Israel. Now you're telling me they stopped working on these in 2003? What is the world coming to when you can't trust a terrorist!
Seriously, if true, and who knows, the only thing this proves is the war on terror, and the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan have produced another bonus. We know for a fact that Libya gave it's nukes up, and now it appears we put the fear of God into Iran as well.
Either way, this is far from a bad thing for Bush, or America, irregardless of what the MSM has to say.
Ahmadinejad NEVER boasted of using nukes to blow up Israel.
Tue, 12/04/2007 - 20:02 ET by professor truthIf you want a REAL TERRORIST, go over to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
Where is your apology to AF
Tue, 12/04/2007 - 20:05 ET by Free StinkerWhere is your apology to AF ?
Nutty Prof
Tue, 12/04/2007 - 20:13 ET by MrShyGot'cher Talking Points & Cheetos (TM) all fired-up, locked and loaded, for another evening of rapid-fire idiocy?
"I still love NewsBusters." - Mr. Shy
If you want a REAL TERRORIST, go over to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenu
Tue, 12/04/2007 - 20:10 ET by MightyMouthIs Bill Clinton still visiting the White House?
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
MightyMouth
Tue, 12/04/2007 - 20:16 ET by MrShyThat was a MIGHTY good one!
Talking Points & Cheetos (the professor) certainly spices this site up :)
"I still love NewsBusters." - Mr. Shy
Well, GWB strikes terror in
Tue, 12/04/2007 - 20:17 ET by JerryWell, GWB strikes terror in the hearts of those who wish to do us harm, so I guess in a way, he is a terrorist. A terrorist to the terrorists... their worst nightmare.
When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).
let's not misquote him now
Tue, 12/04/2007 - 20:32 ET by candanceAhmadenijad surely meant they would "blow Israel off the map" with handguns and firecrackers. And that whole secret bombing in Syria - that was a bubble gum factory!
What are you going to believe, your own eyes or the wise words of teach?
candace, the Ahmadinejad quote over destroying
Wed, 12/05/2007 - 02:10 ET by professor truthIsrael has been completely misquoted and taken out of context. He doesn't hold the political power in Iran, anyway. The mullahs have the final say in such matters and they've never threatened other nations with nuCULAR missiles, a suicidal act if there ever was one.
}}---> Professor
Wed, 12/05/2007 - 02:34 ET by Cool ArrowTrying to get on as a janitor at Columbia, are you?
Really prof? Out of context?
Wed, 12/05/2007 - 02:59 ET by mastersofdeceitHere's a Persian website that I doubt is misquoting. Maybe they got the translation wrong.lol. You're actually right that the mullahs are in control and have a final say. Mahmoud was installed by the mullahs. Which is why mullahs need payin attention to. You being a prof and all I'm sure can appreciate the good Dr. Dibas thoughts.
Also get off the nuklear crap son. It doesn't have to be. They've already paraded Shahab-2 missiles in the street with guess what? "wipe Israel off the map" banners draped on them.
Wipe Israel off the map-yeah I'm sure it's just been misquoted, misinterpreted and taken out of context. lol.
mmmmmmore brandy for the professor!
}}---> Professor's last laugh
Wed, 12/05/2007 - 03:04 ET by Cool ArrowOK, Master, you kicked his butt, but the professor gets the last laugh every day when he saunters into a classroom and pontificates his lunacy to students who would rather listen to his political drivel any day rather than be held accountable for true subject matter.
-----)+ Scary
Wed, 12/05/2007 - 03:10 ET by mastersofdeceitThink about it son!
True for some, but each one can do our part. I've sussed out my 8th graders teachers, none like the good prof here. Next year on to high school! yeeeeeah!
CA, I get a laugh every time I read your posts.
Wed, 12/05/2007 - 20:43 ET by professor truthYour combination of wild assertions coupled with hysterical tripe really gives me the giggles. Think on it, son.
}}---> Thanks Professor
Wed, 12/05/2007 - 20:56 ET by Cool ArrowHow delightfully disarming of you to call my post hysterical tripe.
I notice you don't deny your penchant for overmuch straying from curriculum into the political indoctrination of your students.
political indoctrination??? Hysterical tripe!
Wed, 12/05/2007 - 22:43 ET by professor truthMy point exactly, CA! Pretty hard to politically indoctrinate students when expalining stoichiometry to them. Think on it, son.
I had no idea you needed to
Wed, 12/05/2007 - 11:20 ET by CJK51I had no idea you needed to be an actual professor at rodeo clown college.
CJK, were you the dean of the college????
Wed, 12/05/2007 - 20:44 ET by professor truthThink on it, son!
gee, they must mean it literally.
Wed, 12/05/2007 - 20:04 ET by professor truthWhy would Iran parade missiles with "wipe Israel off the map"? Could there be several possible explanations? Maybe Ahmadinejad is posturing for his base, acting defiant as a show of strength and fearlessness. I seriously doubt that Iran would do anything unless they were feeling suicidal. Why would Iran make such a boast without nukes, or even with nukes, knowing they would be vaporized? I suspect that Iran is showing a posture of defiance against Israel and the US. What aggressive actions has Iran taken DIRECTLY against Israel? Nothing!
Professor Muslim Plant
Wed, 12/05/2007 - 20:15 ET by Airforce_5_OAllah akbar Professor!!!!!!
Seriously! You mean to tell me they didn't mean it? Good lord man, when did they beam yiou down from the mother ship? THEY MEAN IT! Trust me on that one. They want Isreal gone.
I will tell you this though, they will never get one because Isreal will take action if threatened. Ask Syria, they found out.
I have a fish named Mohammad, and my son has a stuffed toy named Jesus. The Muslims want my head and Kieth says I'm going to Hell.
airforce -- let's hope
Wed, 12/05/2007 - 20:18 ET by Jack Bauerairforce -- let's hope P.Twaddle volunteers to be a human shield against Jew aggression.
I don't think he would do
Wed, 12/05/2007 - 20:22 ET by Airforce_5_OI don't think he would do it Jack, unless they promised nhim 72 virgins.
I'm telling you this guy is a plant. He has been to quick to jump on everybody who goes after Iran, Iraq. Check out his past post. He got pissy of my insugence tag, which will return.
I have a fish named Mohammad, and my son has a stuffed toy named Jesus. The Muslims want my head and Kieth says I'm going to Hell.
JB, been gaining your anti-terror expertise watching 24?
Wed, 12/05/2007 - 22:45 ET by professor truthThink on it, son.
Boy you just keep putting
Wed, 12/05/2007 - 23:32 ET by Airforce_5_OBoy you just keep putting your foot in don't you. Night after night you come here and remind me why I am a conservative.
I am so glad I get to see idiots like you who can’t let go of the sixties. Peace, Love and Miss Piggy are fine and good but the REAL world is a dangerous place. The US and Bush did not make it that way and it has been building for a long time.
Is the USA innocent, No but it damn well isn’t the whole problem like you think. SO SPIN away Professor. SPIN away.
I have a fish named Mohammad, and my son has a stuffed toy named Jesus. The Muslims want my head and Kieth says I'm going to Hell.
c'mon, AF, surely you joke!
Wed, 12/05/2007 - 20:47 ET by professor truthI guess you are convinced I'm a Muslim plant, AF! Now you objected to unfounded assertions I make so I'm surprised that you turn around and do the same. Yes, I'm very antiwar. So is John Murtha. Is he a Muslim plant also?
ROTFLMAO.....you invoke the
Wed, 12/05/2007 - 23:38 ET by Airforce_5_OROTFLMAO.....you invoke the name of John Murtha. OMG you haven't A clue do you?
John "Hadetha" Murtha..
I am laughing so hard I can't even type....
I have a fish named Mohammad, and my son has a stuffed toy named Jesus. The Muslims want my head and Kieth says I'm going to Hell.
Professor, one
Wed, 12/05/2007 - 23:55 ET by Airforce_5_OProfessor, one question.
John Murtha accussed Marines of killing innocent civilians. It turned out he was wrong. Should he apologize?
I have a fish named Mohammad, and my son has a stuffed toy named Jesus. The Muslims want my head and Kieth says I'm going to Hell.
Quick Question
Thu, 12/06/2007 - 00:11 ET by candanceIf a Democrat lies on national television...is anyone surprised?
Wrong. The Iranians have
Wed, 12/05/2007 - 11:29 ET by Jack BauerWrong. The Iranians have persistently promised to annihilite Israel.
You could only totally annihilate another country and people with non-conventional weapons. And they would have to be WMDs.
Making promises does not equal taking actions.
Wed, 12/05/2007 - 20:08 ET by professor truthIran would be wiped off the map in a second by BOTH Israeli and US counterattacks. Their boasts are empty , rhetorical boasts that are only in reaction to the aggressive posturing by the US.
Moron. Check out my
Wed, 12/05/2007 - 20:19 ET by Jack BauerMoron.
JB, rightwingers like you get their "facts" from.........
Wed, 12/05/2007 - 20:52 ET by professor truthLooks like the NIE made your Iran derangement Syndrome into hysterical paranoid delusion. Maybe that explains your Jack Bauer fantasy. Think on it, son.
Iran? Have the Neocons
Wed, 12/05/2007 - 20:55 ET by LeonIran?
Have the Neocons lost all credibility yet?
Do I really ever have to hear from Podhertz again?
After this news, I sure hope not.
and you know this from what
Wed, 12/05/2007 - 20:23 ET byand you know this from what source? (mushrooms don't count as valid sources)
"everytime you take a shower you are a mass murder" -- the Profff
}}---> BOTG
Wed, 12/05/2007 - 20:45 ET by Cool ArrowDo mushroom clouds count?
botg, if you think that viable DNA equals a human being, then
Wed, 12/05/2007 - 20:55 ET by professor truthmy statement is correct. Think on it, son.
and if you think
Thu, 12/06/2007 - 22:12 ET bythat dodge is valid then you are a true sychophant of sophomoric sophistry
"everytime you take a shower you are a mass murderer" -- the Profff
If what you say is typical
Wed, 12/05/2007 - 20:25 ET by dscottIf what you say is typical of what liberals believe then no wonder why are so easily duped. You can't even believe the truth when it slaps you in the face. This man supported by the mullahs who doesn't hesitate to see people killed can tell you exactly what he is going to do because he knows full well you won't believe your ears because what he says is so outrageous. It's just the flip side of the big lie, in this case the big truth. It's so horrible you can't conceive someone so evil they would be so brazenly open about genocide.
Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. dscott's corollary: The line between malice and stupidity is called depraved indifference.
Yea pt, you are correct,
Wed, 12/05/2007 - 20:30 ET by JABYea pt, you are correct, just like the bullies in school that backed down when I stood up to them or hit them first to end their aggressive attitude toward me, when I did not start it in the first place. It appears you have not been in this situation or tried this method yet. I have news for you, it works almost every time.
"Too bad Ignorance isn't painful..."
JAB, anothr faulty analogy.
Wed, 12/05/2007 - 20:57 ET by professor truthIt's the US who has surrounded Iran, so your "bully" analogy applies more to the US. Iran has NEVER acted aggressively against the US mainland. Think on it, son.
I'll just bet you would
Wed, 12/05/2007 - 21:00 ET by Free StinkerI'll just bet you would have been against declaring war on Germany in WW2.
"The real threat is in the Pacific" "They never attacked us" "Hitler is using rhetoric for the party faithful"
}}---> Free
Wed, 12/05/2007 - 21:04 ET by Cool ArrowAre we going after Hitler when we still haven't caught Hirohito?
Sounds like mission creep to me.
Cool
Wed, 12/05/2007 - 21:08 ET by Free StinkerSounds like mission creep to me.
That's just the RDS* talking!
* Roosevelt Derangement Syndrome ;-)
CA, we can't catch General
Wed, 12/05/2007 - 21:14 ET by JABCA, we can't catch General Hirohito because he has the cojones to commit Harry Carrie unlike the coward osama that has his minions do it for him -- awaiting the 72 virgins that are not there.
"Too bad Ignorance isn't painful..."
Nathan Hirohito Hale
Wed, 12/05/2007 - 21:25 ET by Cool ArrowI only regret that I have but two Cajones to give for my country.
Now I understand the WWII retort "Nuts to you"
CA, although that statement
Wed, 12/05/2007 - 21:33 ET by JABCA, although that statement was said by a different General in a different theater of the same war, you got the concept.
"Too bad Ignorance isn't painful..."
FS. Funny! Germany was allied with japan.
Wed, 12/05/2007 - 22:49 ET by professor truthBy the way, why did we wait until 1941 to attack Germany??
And, our most liberal president in the 20th century, FDR, won WWII!
So much for liberals being losers! Think on it, FS.
Don't you read or remember
Thu, 12/06/2007 - 08:25 ET by dscottDon't you read or remember history? WWII started for the US on December 7th, 1941 (tomorrow being said anniversary) with the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, Congress declared War on Japan http://www.law.ou.edu/ushistory/japwar.shtml on December 8th, and then Germany declared War on the US http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/timeline/germany-declares.htm on December 11th, 1941.
btw- read the German declaration carefully as they reference the lack of US neutrality since 1939 to that point by supporting Britian.
Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. dscott's corollary: The line between malice and stupidity is called depraved indifference.
As a matter of fact, FS,
Thu, 12/06/2007 - 08:59 ET by JerAs a matter of fact, FS, that's precisely what the conservative isolationists, the dominant wing of the GOP in the 30's, were saying.
Jer
pt, I am NOT your son and
Wed, 12/05/2007 - 21:03 ET by JABpt, I am NOT your son and my analogy stands as posted, pull your head out of your arse and you might see my point.
[...]
"Too bad Ignorance isn't painful..."
Professor, you know I now
Wed, 12/05/2007 - 20:31 ET by Airforce_5_OProfessor, you know I now know why bin Laden and his ilk love you liberals. You just go "Don't worry, they are trying to get attention. They don't mean it."
Then you are suprised when they stuff a bomb in your ass.
Here you go folks, this is why Liberals are bad for the Defense and Freedom of this country. They stick their heads in the sand and hope the bad man will pass them by.
I am glad I haven't put the future of my childrens lives in your hands.
I have a fish named Mohammad, and my son has a stuffed toy named Jesus. The Muslims want my head and Kieth says I'm going to Hell.
AF - I believe the profff
Wed, 12/05/2007 - 21:02 ET by Free StinkerAF - I believe the profff is one of those folks Lenin referred to as "useful idiots"
AF, actually, Bin Laden and al Qaeda prefer republican
Wed, 12/05/2007 - 21:04 ET by professor truthpolicies that make recruitment of radicals much easier. The Iraq war is a perfect example of increasing dramatically recruits worldwide.
What did Bush say when asked about Bin Laden's whereabouts? Something like," I don't know where he is. I don't think about him that much.?? So, AF, is Bin Laden a danger to the US or is he not a danger?? To quote Thomas Rick's book, FIASCO, "by the end of 2004, the US intelligence community would conclude that the invasion had turned Iraq into a new breeding ground for a fresh generation of tougher, more professional Iswlamic extremist terrorists."(pps377-8) . Risking your life does not equal making the US safer.
}}---> Bin Ladin prefers Republicans?
Wed, 12/05/2007 - 21:16 ET by Cool ArrowSo Bin Ladin builds a pharmaceutical plant in Sudan and Bill Clinton bombs it with his "pay no attention to the girl under the desk" aplomb, and you think he prefers Republicans.
Speaking of OZ, there seems to be a high rate of dwarfism in your country isn't there?
CA, you won't see me defend Clinton 's actions.
Wed, 12/05/2007 - 22:55 ET by professor truthUS policy has been a string of crimnal actions. And CA, there are a lot of Aussies down under that might be offended by your remarks. Think on it, son.
}}---> Lollipop League
Wed, 12/05/2007 - 23:27 ET by Cool ArrowOZ = Australia? Who Knew?
Hey PRof...are you talking about Senator Reid ?
Tue, 12/04/2007 - 20:43 ET by JayTeeBelow, per your post Prof, are you talking about "War is Lost" Reid from Nevada ?
"If you want a REAL TERRORIST, go over to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue"Reid is the only one I can think of that's in Bed with the Terrorist Agenda, getting Americans out of Iraq.
"Professor", are you brain
Wed, 12/05/2007 - 01:09 ET by Gary P Jackson"Professor", are you brain dead, or what? Ahmadinejad has talked of "raining fire on the infidels". What do you think that means? Do you think they are gonna use Molotov cocktails?
Ahmadinejad has sworn to wipe Israel of the map. Then he has his sights on the West in general, and us in particular. Why you libs are bound and determined to get us all killed is beyond me!
My best advice though: If you hate America, or Americans, then move, absolutely NO ONE will miss you!
not true
Wed, 12/05/2007 - 01:20 ET by candanceAir America would then be down to 11 listeners and they would sorely miss him.
Yeah, Gary, and Iran is an iminent nuCULAR threat too!
Wed, 12/05/2007 - 02:07 ET by professor truthBush-Cheney lies don't fly as well these days. I suspect any hyperbole from Ahmadinejad was either a misquote or taken out of context. The real power in Iran is in the hands of the Mullahs, who, have never stated that they intend to use nuCULAR weapons. Why would anyone ever believe a drunken cokehead and his sociopatic VP about anything???? By the way, historically speaking, which nation has committed more acts against the other, the US or Iran?? And please, Gary, don't accuse everyone who looks at clear evidence of being anti-American!! That's so Stalinist of you! Think on it, son.
professor
Wed, 12/05/2007 - 02:31 ET by Cool ArrowI remember "Chicken Jimmy" Carter trying to invade Iran with a couple of helicopters in a failed effort to free some hostages, but could you be a little more specific about these acts you say we've committed against Iran?
Is it just that all Arabs look alike to you?
Here's our intervention with Iran:
Wed, 12/05/2007 - 21:13 ET by professor truthIn 1953, a democratically elected leader, Mossadegh, was overthrown with the aid of the CIA, after he had nationalized Iran's oil. The US also encouraged Iraq to attack Iran, while also supplying arms to Iran in the hope that both sides would be weakened. In 1988, the US ship, Vincennes, shot down a civilian Iranian airliner. We've also surrounded Iran with multiple military bases and have sent crier groups to the persian gulf. Seymour Hersh reported that special forces were inside Iran.
Crier groups? Oh. You
Wed, 12/05/2007 - 21:15 ET by Free StinkerCrier groups?
Oh. You mean Democrat fact finding teams?
First and formost, I am NOT
Wed, 12/05/2007 - 03:28 ET by Gary P JacksonFirst and formost, I am NOT your son! Second, I doubt you could pick Joseph Stalin out of a photo line up.
Not sure why you are intentionally misspelled NUCLEAR, unless that's a dig at the President's West Texas accent. (like you Yankee boys don't sound funny)
Anyhow, where's your proof that Bush or Cheney has lied? I mean real concrete, rock solid proof, not some lib talking point!
All anyone can do is work off of the intelligence they have at the time, and the NIE has been all over the place!
It's really funny though. You libs regularly point to the intelligence community's perceived failure on Iraq, yet you willingly jump on the very same bunch's intel on Iran as gospel. Please explain how that is supposed to work!
Face it, you guys are losers that are openly rooting for the US's failure. And, if this was REALLY a Stalinist country, as you all claim it to be, you would be sitting in a gulag right now, awaiting either "re-education" or the firing squad!
Ya'll's "elder statesman" Jimmy Carter is very much to blame for this mess in the Middle East. And as has been pointed out by others, the case could very easily be made that Bill Clinton didn't help matters much with his bombing from 10,000 ft, and may be directly responsible for 9/11.
I guess I will never understand how the hatred for one man, one really good man, can make you libs do and say anything to further that hatred. You guys would see America totally destroyed rather than except the fact that President Bush has been a positive for this Nation. And for that, I find you all very sad individuals.
}}---> Right on Jackson
Wed, 12/05/2007 - 03:33 ET by Cool ArrowBut one must commend President Clinton for his attention to "intelligence reports" identifying an aspirin factory as a chemical weapons plant.
Examples of Bush-Cheney lies????
Wed, 12/05/2007 - 21:40 ET by professor truthChimpy's aircraft carrier speech,"a major ally of al Qaeda has been defeated". Big LIE! Bush blatantly lied about his "certainty" about Iraq WMD's, when there was much uncertainty over this. "I'm a uniter, not a divider," yeah, he's surely proved this whopper. Bush's actions are what motivate people to see him as the despicable guy he is. I guess being a Bushbot 30%er means never having to apologize for his war crimes.
}}---> Uhh Professor
Wed, 12/05/2007 - 21:45 ET by Cool ArrowThe ship Bush landed on . . . was it returning home or going out?
Is there a difference between "Mission Accomplished" and "Victory in Iraq".
Are you claiming all missions are wars?
Are you ill? Iterate.
note the date!
Wed, 12/05/2007 - 22:02 ET by“As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am keenly aware that the proliferation of chemical and biological weapons is an issue of grave importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process.”
Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi (Democrat, California)
Statement on US Led Military Strike Against Iraq
December 16, 1998
No one has done what Saddam Hussein has done, or is thinking of doing. He is producing weapons of mass destruction, and he is qualitatively and quantitatively different from other dictators.”
Madeleine Albright, President Clinton’s Secretary of State
Town Hall Meeting on Iraq at Ohio State University
February 18, 1998
Yes it is pre W click for oh so many more
"everytime you take a shower you are a mass murder" -- the Profff
botg, why do rwers like to take comments
Thu, 12/06/2007 - 00:46 ET by professor truthout of context??? The quote that you attribute to me is correct but the context is very dishonest. You claimed that embryos are human life since they MIGHT develop into human life. You were trying to equate an embryo with a fully formed human being. My sarcastic quote was simply to show the extremes that people can go to in order to equate potential human life with REAL HUMAN BEINGS. I guess being a rwer means never having to apologize for misleading, out of context quotes. Think on it, son.
that's okay
Thu, 12/06/2007 - 00:53 ET by candanceWe can just go through your history, click on a random thread, and find something equally amusing, taken in whatever context you like.
(apparently, given his attack on AF and now this, TP&C has become NB's official signature police)
Which is it?
Wed, 12/05/2007 - 03:51 ET by Sua Sponte 75"candace, the Ahmadinejad quote over destroying
December 5, 2007 - 02:10 ET by professor truth
Israel has been completely misquoted and taken out of context."
"I suspect any hyperbole from Ahmadinejad was either a misquote or taken out of context."
Now which is it o destroyer of ho-ho's? First you were adament it was misquoted and taken out of context, now you suspect?
Think on it son.
"You're either part of the solution or part of the problem"
Sua, bushbot, the point is Iran poses NO threat
Wed, 12/05/2007 - 21:45 ET by professor truthso your fears are nothing other than rightwing paranoia. The NIE has spoken. Deal with the facts. Iran poses no threat. History is on my side. Think on it, son. And, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
Thanks for the flattery. Think on it, son.
Silly Clown...
Thu, 12/06/2007 - 00:44 ET by Sua Sponte 75Aren't you the same spinner of circles when the same agency states there are threats you thumb your nose and say it's all lies? Now all of a sudden it's the truth when it fits. Guess they didn't pose a threat when they took the hostages either....Deal with the facts son. Paranoia? You really should read what you write son, now go get yourself a sammich son an lay off the ho-hos for a night.
Fattery......oh flattery...heh. You haven't got what it takes son. You just keep the good folks at Nabisco gainfully employed and all will be well.
"You're either part of the solution or part of the problem"
Sua, the NIE shows that the Bush administration is
Thu, 12/06/2007 - 00:50 ET by professor trutha pack of liars. They overhyped the Iran non threat, just like they overhyped the Iraq non threat. The fact that you've thrown your lot in behind sociopaths and war mongers says a lot about your critical thinking skills, naivatte, ignorance, or ability to be fooled again and again and again. Go back and analyze the Bush administration from your foxhole perspective, I'm sure you'll find your eternal truths there. Think on it son.
actually , sua, the NIE report that was made public was a PR
Thu, 12/06/2007 - 01:55 ET by professor truthpaper for the war. It's no secret except to rwers that pro war info was stovepiped through the OSP(office of special plans) which was created to provide info to justify the war. It was known that the lie that the aluminum tubes were suitable only for uranium enrichment was hotly disputed at the DOE, who thought that the tubes were most likely for rocket motors. Yet, the war mongers lied through their asses when they claimed thes tubes were only suited for uranium enrichment. The Downing street memo stated that the "facts arefixed around the policy" regarding going to war. NO WMD's were found after C Powell made his speech at the UN, widely accepted in US press as irrefutable evidence, while simutaneously seesn skeptically by the international press, and totally discredited after the war. You seem to have an obsession with junk food. Think on it, son.
Nope...
Thu, 12/06/2007 - 02:44 ET by Sua Sponte 75No obsession for junk food chuckles, just pointing out your obvious love of. Anyhow, still wondering how Fingar noted that he had "high confidence" they were developing and now he has "high confidence" they are not. Who is trying to fit what plan and agenda here. It's no secret either that the lefties will do anything in their power to slam the administration, as you so often do, think about it chuckles. Nothing has been discredited, guess the Beka valley doesn't even come to mind and the many years in between allowed to move items around, think about it chuckles. As we know, Iran only wants to build things that shoot teddy-bears and hugs at everyone and they only "talk" about annihilate, and since they haven't actually annihilated anyone, therefore they are not a threat. Yep, been many a deniers and isolationists as you in the past, nearly got everyone wiped off the map. As a Soldier (something you wouldn't understand), we're the last ones that want to go to war, something else you wouldn't understand as you obviously have no affilitation with the likes. Think about it chuckles. You may be master in your high school class, then again I wouldn't claim fame over a group of teens. Think about it chuckles.
"You're either part of the solution or part of the problem"
Gary, talk does not equal action.
Wed, 12/05/2007 - 20:18 ET by professor truthThe NIE and your continuous support for a lying administration that hyped up the non threat of Iran shows that you are much closer to the brain death description. How many lies will you continue to believe from the Bush administration??? Whether it's their deliberate doctoring of scientific reports to convey a dishonest impression to support their political agenda, or their overhyping of the danger of Iran despite what IAEA inspector Al Baradei says or what 16 intelligence agencies representing the latest NIE say UNANIMOUSLY, the administration has only proven they are a pack of liars.
Ah, the BDS in full bloom,
Wed, 12/05/2007 - 20:41 ET by dscottAh, the BDS in full bloom, Bush is a liar because Ajad must be telling the truth. You and the lib Dems you support are willing to sell out the security of this country because you can't admit how obviously flawed the NIE report is. You and the Dems are willing to look the other way while Iran who is the number one sponsor of terrorism in the world today says they aren't working toward building nuclear bombs.
I'll tell you what, if the Iranians should ever gain possession of the A-bomb not only will I say I told you so, but I will be the first one pushing to have every last one of you traitors arrested for treason and hung from the gallows. I suspect though that the thousands of relatives in the ME who will lose their loved ones in the flash of Iranian nukes going up will be shoving me to the back of the line and they won't be as civilized about their demand for justice.
Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. dscott's corollary: The line between malice and stupidity is called depraved indifference.
dscott, been readin those tea leaves and tarot cards!
Wed, 12/05/2007 - 21:50 ET by professor truthYes, an international intellect like you certainly knows the future, and what Iran will do with a nuCULUR bomb. Actually, I think Halliburton(Cheney's ex company) has sold out the security of this country. Their subsidiaries were doing business in Iran as late as 2005. Yes, the NSA should replace their ouiji board with your knowledge of the future. You and Nostradamus should compare notes. Think on it, son.
}}---> Shallow Professor
Wed, 12/05/2007 - 22:00 ET by Cool ArrowHalliburton(Cheney's ex company)
Being a professor and all, I must assume you of purpose neglected to note Halliburton was raised to national prominance by two of your most adored gods, Roosevelt and LBJ.
So you can't see the future, you can't remember the past, and you think we should believe you can assess the present?
CA, I'm a high school teacher, not a professor.
Thu, 12/06/2007 - 00:55 ET by professor truthI never said I adored LBJ. In fact, he was a war criminal along with Nixon for his Vietnam policies. Halliburton has operated through multiple wars, but it has NEVER been more profitable than during the Bush-Cheney war profiteering years. FDR despised war profiteers and thought they should not feed off the blood of the nation, something rwers don't seem bothered in the least by. Think on it, son.
uh...okay...
Thu, 12/06/2007 - 00:57 ET by candanceSo why isn't your name "high school teacher truth" if that's what you really are?
candance, I enjoy provoking people.
Thu, 12/06/2007 - 01:17 ET by professor truthIt's great fun here on the blogs. It's like Rush Limbaugh talking about how he has talent on loan from God. No one takes this seriously. I thought it was a provocative name, especially when debating politics.
At least I don't claim to get my guidance from God like the war criminal Bush claims, as if God would give approval to create a war that has killed hundreds of thousands of people.
It doesn't matter what you
Thu, 12/06/2007 - 01:33 ET by fitzfongIt doesn't matter what you call yourself or from where you claim to get your guidance. Everyone knows that you make up your own "facts". It's just unfortunate that you subject high school children to your delusions...hopefully it's at a private school. I'd hate to think my property taxes go to support an ignoramus like you.
fitz, I make up my facts?? So the NIE
Thu, 12/06/2007 - 01:43 ET by professor truthreport said exactly what about Iran's nuclear weapons program?? And your expertise in this area is..........??????think on it, son.
Among other things, the
Thu, 12/06/2007 - 02:13 ET by fitzfongAmong other things, the report stated that it was "plausible" that Iran has nukes. Isn't it interesting that your like-minded bureaucrats who produced this report wouldn't entirely shut the door on the possibility that Iran has access to nukes? Think on it, douche.
fitz, what facts about the NIE report stating Iran
Thu, 12/06/2007 - 01:45 ET by professor truthhad stopped it's nuclear weapons programs in 2003 did I make up?
Think on it, son.
Cute boilerplate signoff,
Thu, 12/06/2007 - 01:58 ET by fitzfongCute boilerplate signoff, professor troll. If it worked for Dan Rather for a couple of days...
By the way, what does the "E" in "NIE" stand for? Go fetch, "scientist".
Courage.
SPIN again Professor
Wed, 12/05/2007 - 23:05 ET by Airforce_5_Ocould you please change your tune...
It is the same everytime you get on here...
Your talking points have all been DISPROVEN, before you arrived at this site. We repeat ourselves and you just keep SPINNING.
Go to bed so you can indoctinate a few more of our poor children tommorrow.
I have a fish named Mohammad, and my son has a stuffed toy named Jesus. The Muslims want my head and Kieth says I'm going to Hell.
AF, you mean the talking point about the Bush administration
Thu, 12/06/2007 - 01:00 ET by professor truthdeliberately changing science reports in order to advance their political agenda. The talking point that gave a wide range of examples from the UCS website? Or are you referring to the talking point where I said that the Iraq war had INCREASED the terror threat, as referenced in Thomas Rick's book, FIASCO, (pps377-8). That talking point was disproven?? Or my talking point that said there was absolutely no cause-effect connection between the Iraq war and my freedom and safety in the US?? Please remind me using references how ANY of these points have even been credibly challenged, let alone disproved??
Allah akbar
Wed, 12/05/2007 - 22:52 ET by Airforce_5_OAllah akbar Professor...
You tell those infidels who is the Terrorist.
ALALALALALALALALALAL...............
I have a fish named Mohammad, and my son has a stuffed toy named Jesus. The Muslims want my head and Kieth says I'm going to Hell.
Your virgins
Wed, 12/05/2007 - 22:54 ET by Airforce_5_OYour virgins await.......
I have a fish named Mohammad, and my son has a stuffed toy named Jesus. The Muslims want my head and Kieth says I'm going to Hell.
AF, I'll be sure and tell my Rabbi the good news.
Thu, 12/06/2007 - 01:02 ET by professor truthHey, AF, I hope you don't accuse the band members of ZZTop of being in the Taliban!
}}---> Name dropping Professor
Thu, 12/06/2007 - 02:33 ET by Cool ArrowSo now you're closely linked to ZZ Top. Are they regular guys in person? Wow!
Had you figured for a Manilow manly man.
Why? Is Hillary Clinton
Thu, 12/06/2007 - 01:12 ET by fitzfongWhy? Is Hillary Clinton visiting?
}}---> Yes, fitz
Thu, 12/06/2007 - 02:34 ET by Cool ArrowShe'll be here licketysplit.
Cool... You bad...can you
Thu, 12/06/2007 - 04:29 ET by bigtimerCool...
You bad...can you repeat that?
ROFLMAO!
I just posted about this on
Tue, 12/04/2007 - 19:24 ET by the strugglerI just posted about this on another thread. It ended with me wrapping my head in duct tape.
I'm not getting it. Why
Tue, 12/04/2007 - 19:28 ET by ckc1227I'm not getting it. Why would this be an embarrassment? First of all, it proves that Iran had a nuclear weapons program, a program that they can restart at any time. Second, you make decisions based in the intel you have. The intel we had until recently said Iran was pursuing nuclear weapons. According to Cafferty and crew, a weatherman should be embarrassed because the latest forecast models contradict the earlier ones.
NIE notwithstanding, I doubt Iran is enriching uranium just for the hell of it. Listening to some of these clowns is gonna get a lot of people killed.
Watching part of the press
Tue, 12/04/2007 - 19:48 ET by Chris NormanWatching part of the press conference this morning, the attitude of these people still manages to blow me away. It was like they were asking, "Now, don't you feel awful for picking on poor little Iran like you did?". These people would stick up for Satan if the president criticized Hell.
LOL
Tue, 12/04/2007 - 20:35 ET by candanceThese people would stick up for Satan if the president criticized Hell.
This line made me laugh.
absolutely - the point of
Wed, 12/05/2007 - 12:09 ET by TruthMongerabsolutely - the point of any CNN broadcast is to slam Republicans and conservatives - any news that fits (the template) will work - actually all of it can be bent into any kind of idiot-liberal pretzel by these bastards - they are the absolute top pros when it comes to MSM bullsh*t:)
The truth always wins tho - eventually - sooner or later - it is inevitible, unstoppable
If there is any
Wed, 12/05/2007 - 11:42 ET by dscottIf there is any embarrassment at all, it should be of the people who created the NIE report in the first place. What was their explaination for all the prior reports???? Are these people total idiots or just think we are idiots to buy their flip-flopping?
What this report really is about is undermining US policy on terrorism for political gain. I think it's time to start dismissing the lib moles in the intelligence community. They are doing exactly the same things for the terrorists as they did for the communists during the cold war. No more Mr Nice Guy, everyone from Valerie Plame to the hacks who created this report need to be purged from the intelligence bureaucracy, enough of this petty nettling behavior!
It's totally absurd that Bush has had to spend political capital on defending the country, this should have been a gimme. The damage is done, so they might as well take the rest of the hit, just purge the libs now and let them caterwaul that they are stacking the deck in the intelligence community to hear only what they want. If they don't purge now, it will be a death by a thousand cuts in any event. This is precisely why the founding fathers set up the political appointee system in the first place, you purge all the prior administration operatives and then start with a clean slate with everyone pulling in the same direction. Because we allowed the former Clinton people to stay, they soured the milk so to speak of the career civil servants. This is exactly what happened to us with the immigration issue, it started the same way, hold over Clinton appointees continuing Clinton policies under Bush's admin. Have we learned our lesson yet????
Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. dscott's corollary: The line between malice and stupidity is called depraved indifference.
dscott, are you a CONSPIRACY theorist?
Wed, 12/05/2007 - 20:25 ET by professor truthYou make outrageous assertions with ZERO evidence! "Lib moles in the intelligence community"? Whaaaaaaat??? 16 agencies UNANIMOUSLY agreed on this report! So, the CIA and NSA are filled with LIB moles?? Lay off that crystal meth, son.
Valerie Plame was in the
Wed, 12/05/2007 - 20:51 ET by dscottValerie Plame was in the intelligence community and look at her actions, she is a liberal.
What is outrageous is that a small group of dedicated liberals are willing to sell out the security of the US to further their political agenda at our expense. And given time, their so called unanimous agreement or consensus will turn out to be the same falsehood as the AGW scientific consensus, i.e. a small group of people presuming with hubris to speak for the whole.
Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. dscott's corollary: The line between malice and stupidity is called depraved indifference.
Valerie Plame was an NOC who was trying to gather
Wed, 12/05/2007 - 21:54 ET by professor truthevidence regarding Iraqi nuclear programs. What do you call someoone who knowingly exposes a CIA agent, resulting in undermining intelligence gathering capabilities???? Tututraitor???
Think on it, son.
A State Department official
Thu, 12/06/2007 - 08:42 ET by dscottA State Department official named Richard Armitage "exposed" her. Valerie Plame (Wilson) was not covert in any respect as she loved public exposure at the cocktail parties and her husband Joe Wilson bragged about her employment at the CIA long before hand in a greenroom (waiting & dressing room at a TV station). http://nctimes.com/articles/2007/11/12/news/nation/19_30_3511_11_07.txt
Robert Novak, confirmed his info on her from Armitage by taking Rove by surprise out of left field questions in a telephone conversation. One of those, "you shouldn't know that" stumbles a person has when asked a question that the questioner was never expected to know anything about the subject.
Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. dscott's corollary: The line between malice and stupidity is called depraved indifference.
dscott...do you have good
Thu, 12/06/2007 - 11:52 ET by Jerdscott...do you have good authority on the "cocktail party" claim? Novak didn't know it, and he's probably been the most connected journalist in D.C. for years.
Jer
Guess who encouraged Iran's nuCULAR development?
Wed, 12/05/2007 - 20:21 ET by professor truthIf you answered, the US, you are correct. The shah was encouraged to develop nuclear technology. Iran wanted alternate energy sources so that it could export more of it's oil.
I just said the same thing
Tue, 12/04/2007 - 19:36 ET by the strugglerI just said the same thing in the kitchen 1227. "These people are gonna get us killed."
I agree with you CKC I
Tue, 12/04/2007 - 19:48 ET by USA4freedomI agree with you CKC
I am somewhat confused, Iran still has the 3,000 centrifugesmade to separate radioactive particles from raw material? Right?
Now what are they doing with radioactive particles?Popping-Popcorn?
But now they say it’s an embarrassment (some how to Bush)that they are far away from a bomb.
Also, if this is true, (somehow I don’t buy it) but if itis, why did it happen in 2003. Now what happened in 2003 that was different from any other year? Hmm, I know March 20th 2003 we marched through Iraq like shit through a goose. Kicking ass and taking names. Saddam Hussein himself was captured on Dec. 13, 2003 in a hole.. yea, a hole..
On 27 January 2004 the United States airlifted out of Libya components of the nuclear weapons program that country agreed to give up.
Hmm why did this happen? Did they start to feel well..nice,or cooperative, maybe they got the Christmas card.
No, it was the worlds super power standing in Iraq capital after less then 3 months of kicking ass.
An embarrassment, I think not..
These are the boys of Pointe du Hoc. Ronald Reagan- 40th Anniversary of D-Day
Let's see
Tue, 12/04/2007 - 19:54 ET by 10ksnookerDoes anyone know if the regularly scheduled Iranian "death to America" parade and party is still on for this Friday? Which Iranian bigs are going to be doing the chants this week?
I hear that long range missiles double as pots for really big plants. Seems a little expensive, but maybe during negitiations Iran will tell us how many they have and who they are aimed at.
Afterall, North Korea didn't have nukes, until they set one off. Some are really hard of hearing.
I remember those "death to America chants"
Wed, 12/05/2007 - 20:33 ET by professor truthoccurring in the late 70's when US hostages were taken and held?? How did all those death threats pan out 28 years later?? Think on it , son.
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Tue, 12/04/2007 - 21:07 ET by dahliatraversThis is a little confusing. The intel about Iraq having WMD and being a threat supposedly was faulty. [Of course, in reality, Saddam Hussein had WMD's and used them on the Iranians and the Kurds.] The msm and some Dems say George Bush shouldn't have believed that intel or used it to attack Iraq.
Now we have intel that says that Iran is not so much of a threat. In view of the prior "faulty" intel, how do we know this intel is accurate? Why is the msm so quickly embracing it? Would they have done so if it had said something different; for example, that Iran was about to deploy a nuclear weapon?
While I am 100% against our attacking Iran (or 100% against American boots on Iranian soil, anyway), I think it is incumbent upon the msm to promulgate guidelines to help us all distinguish good intel from bad. This would be an enormous help to our current and future elected officials when they formulate foreign policy ...
MSM escaped the net
Tue, 12/04/2007 - 22:52 ET by PSPCplBill O'Reilly called Helen Thomas a pinhead. After reading the above I came to realize that he hadn't cast his net wide-enough. Iran is one of the most dangerous nation-states on the face of the earth and yet, the MSM would have us believe that because they are no longer pursuing nukes, they are respectful members of the world community. They are perfect examples of the what happens when you educate someone beyond their level of intelligence.
Iran is the most dangerous nation on Earth?????
Wed, 12/05/2007 - 20:35 ET by professor truthand, your evidence for this assertion is........????? Think on it, son.
MSM escaped the net
Tue, 12/04/2007 - 22:52 ET by PSPCplBill O'Reilly called Helen Thomas a pinhead. After reading the above I came to realize that he hadn't cast his net wide-enough. Iran is one of the most dangerous nation-states on the face of the earth and yet, the MSM would have us believe that because they are no longer pursuing nukes, they are respectful members of the world community. They are perfect examples of the what happens when you educate someone beyond their level of intelligence.
MSM escaped the net
Tue, 12/04/2007 - 22:52 ET by PSPCplBill O'Reilly called Helen Thomas a pinhead. After reading the above I came to realize that he hadn't cast his net wide-enough. Iran is one of the most dangerous nation-states on the face of the earth and yet, the MSM would have us believe that because they are no longer pursuing nukes, they are respectful members of the world community. They are perfect examples of the what happens when you educate someone beyond their level of intelligence.
Good news for America is
Wed, 12/05/2007 - 09:17 ET by Free ThinkerGood news for America is embarrassing? I don't get it. This is embarrassing to the left and the msm because if anything it shows the Bush's "cowboy diplomacy" as they like to call it has worked. Just like the surge in Iraq, the left in this country cannot accept good news if it does not help its political agenda.
Yeah, that Iraq war has really worked out well for everyone!!!
Wed, 12/05/2007 - 21:59 ET by professor truthBush's cowboy diplomacy sure showed those Islamic radicals. Just look at how all the terror threats have practically vanished. No more color coded alerts and airport security checks. And our Iraq success means the soldiers will now be returning home ......exactly when??? Think on it, son.